Are Swiss Watches Really Better Than Japanese Watches?
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
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Are Swiss Watches Really Better Than Japanese Watches?
For a long time, the Swiss were historically considered to be the best watchmakers, but this narrative changed greatly during the mid-twentieth century. Had the Japanese not proven their mettle as skillful watchmaking people, the Swiss monopoly over the watchmaking industry would have been impossible to overthrow. Today, watch lovers all across the world are in the market seeking either a Swiss or Japanese watch, and often being indecisive about which watchmaker to settle for.
In today's video we look at whether Swiss watches are actually better than Japanese watches looking at popular watch makers such as Seiko, Miyota, Rolex, Omega, Patek Philippe.
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I recently visited a friend of mine who is a Patek/Rolex watchmaker. After looking at my Grand Seiko with a loupe, he said that if Seiko can do such good finishing of the dial on an $8500 watch, it is inexcusable for Patek to do inferior finishing on watches that cost 10 times as much.
Seiko really are kings of dials, that’s what they do really good. Obviously Grand Seiko would be on a pinnacle level.
Thats because the cost of manufacturing in Switzerland is higher. Also, seiko is a huge corporation compared to Patek and rolex. I will say rolex holds back manufacturing in order to control pricing.
People who can afford Patek/Rolex can surely afford Grand Seiko. However, they buy Patek not solely because of its superior finishing, but rather because they can.
I think that japanese are good at quartz watches and swiss are are good in mechanical watches,the more reason swiss manufacturer don't want to venture into quartz watch manufacturing.
Do you have examples of this “inferior finishing” i cant find any complaints or comparisons all just word of mouth
Japanese brands like Orient, Casio, Seiko and Citizen are pragmatic enough to offer good quality at good prices. Swiss brands have heritage, but not reach.
Swatch is on the uprising.
Seiko started making clocks in 1891, watches in 1895, and wrist watches in 1913. The first “Seiko” branded watch was in 1924. They remained concentrated in Asia until the Viet Nam war, when American soldiers started buying them and bringing them back to the US. Seiko competed in in the Neuchatel Observatory competition in 1967, where it placed second and third. The competition was canceled after that year. They are not new in the world of quality watches.
and they still use stamped clasps and mineral glass
@@zillsburyy1 and they cater to budget enthusiasts, not a bad thing when you can get people excited for these mechanical timepiece, make it affordable, and attainable. This can only lead to better timepieces in the future.
@@zillsburyy1 as if a milled clasp and sapphire alone warrant the ridiculous mark ups swiss marques warrant
I have a Seiko Q sport 100 watch that I bought in 1980 on our honeymoon. I’ve never had it serviced other than a battery every five years and it keeps almost perfect time. amazing. I just bought myself a Grand Seiko and I already like it better than my 1986 Rolex submariner. For $6200 I’m getting a better watch in every detail and I love the spring sweep movement.
Promise me you'll never sell the Rolex, my friend. It's like Japanese .vs. European cars. That Swiss classic of yours is all heart.
@@lukespector5550 Oof you're not gonna want to hear what happened to my vintage watch collection a couple years ago.
Go on then........ I hate my Rolex Daytona! Too small by modern wrist size & finishing inferior to Grand Seiko.
Its interesting that Japan pioneered in-house movements as a way to make the watch much less expensive. The question then would be why are Swiss watches often much more expensive despite also building their movements in-house??
They made great savings and passed on these savings to their pocketbook. 🤣
Marketing 🎉
Heritage, brand name, human labor very expensive
Because Switzerland has better employee treatment & Union protection than Japan.
Same as with Cars: various German top of the line cars drive better, but apart from maybe Porsche, are notoriously prone to mechanical problems (nowadays also electronic and software). So, if you really want reliability, stick to Japanese and many of them give great fun in driving too, like Lexus, Nissan Z, various Honda's and Acura. Seiko and Citizens (Miyota) have top of the line movements too nowadays. ❤
I have Omega watches, but when it comes to cars, I indeed choose Japanese vehicles. 😂 I just think German luxury vehicles are overpriced lemons!
I still have my grandfather seiko watch with no repair nor maintenance fine working till now
If you want to make money, buy Japanese. If you want to spend money, buy Swiss.
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Japanese watches really are more for budget minded & practical buyers, while Swiss watches have moved further upmarket. Luxury Swiss watches generally are as practical as using a Bugatti sports car to drive daily to work in a busy downtown city; while most Japanese watches are as practical as instead driving a Honda, Toyota or Subaru.
Lets face it, Swiss can't compete dollar for dollar, so they have gone upmarket, catering to those that love the cachet of the "Swiss Made" watch.
Honestly, I can't imagine the hassle of servicing Swiss brands like Arnold & Son, F.P. Journe, Etienne Schwartz, & other micro lux brands with in house movements.
when it comes to precise time keeping
and why else would you have a watch?
Japan reigns supreme
i have an Omega, rarely wear it
several Seikos which i wear all the time
BS
A Grand Seiko or The Citizen is unequivocally superior to any equivalently priced Swiss watch from the major brands. This assessment does not necessarily extend to microbrands. Additionally, in terms of movement technology, Seiko and Citizen are decades ahead, the 9F and the 0100 movements and not matched by anything Swiss.
Seiko covers nearly all bases no one can compete with them.
shitko
@@zillsburyy1 hater😂😂
I beg to disagree. Tanx
please make a video on German watch brands as well !
The Citizen AQ4030-51L, must rate as one of the best watches ever made. The most accurate watch ever made with quality equal to the very best the Swiss can make.
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To think that Seiko pioneered Quartz would place then at the top manufacturer. They are so innovative and pioneered movements and escapements such as Kinetic, Spring Drive and their newest constant force tourbillon that powers their newest 2024 watch.
This is very amazing video. Thank you for sharing these Swiss Watches information.
similar to Japanese cars and European cars. Japan makes practical and reliable cars, and European companies makes higher image.
It was educational! After all, both countries make great watches!
Yes they do but the Swiss have a cartel and are full of scams like rolex
Swiss watches are jewellery and Seiko are accurate, elegant watches. The significant price differences are about branding of course !
Seiko is not accurate, ETAs are accurate...
You are clueless. Seiko mechanical movements are not accurate.
@@whereRbearsTeeth I mean, Seiko mechanical...
RELIABILITY AND ACCURACY ARE THE BEST WATCH QUALITIES. FASHION COMES NEXT... WHO IS BETTER?
japan
I'd say that the most iconic Japanese movement out there (simply by volume) is the Seiko NH35A. That's a far more refined movement than the Miyota 8000-series.
Is it really better than the miyota 8203-04-05?
I didn’t know that.
yes, thats a fine movement,
I disagree.
Lots of owners reported that the 8203 is extremely accurate for a budget movement.
Own one now, after owning a series of 4R35/4R36 watches.
The Seiko’s were very variable in performance, to say the least.
Swiss watches have tried to maintain a good reputation but Japanese revolutionized the watches which are way better.
This is the best informative video which is clearly described the difference between Swiss Watches and Japanese Watches. Very helpful information.
Thanks for this excellent comparision between the swiss and the japanese watches. I really learned a lot from this video
I am lucky that I can get good models from both Japan and Switzerland at good prices new or used, and I have many from both countries. Right now I am wearing a Omega Speedmaster 3861, and a Seiko Bullhead 6138 Chrono, one on each wrist. The next one I want is the GS Tentagraph to replace the Seiko Bullhead.
It is a good question, both Swiss and Japanese watches are manufactured in the best way and with versatile designs and excellent quality materials.
But the Japanese are more affordable both rich ,middle class and poor can afford
Interestingly the first wrist watch was from a French company, Breguet, which produced what were considered the finest watches in the world, they pioneered the self winding watch, and invented the tourbillon movement that increased accuracy. Since 1999 Breguet have been a part of the Swiss Swatch Group so are now a Swiss/French watchmaker.
Interesting
Have a look at the history of Graham brand watches. The original founders go back to the 1600's!
@@lukespector5550 Graham watches were a London company that went out of business in the early 1900s. The name was revived by a British and a Swiss businessmen in 1995 in Switzerland, it's a new company trading off an old name.
Correction the original Mecca of watchmaking was England and France. Production began to move to Switzerland a poor country at the time to cut costs. Swiss fakes were a thing too.
I believe the Swiss used to copy American railroad watches in the late 1800s and early 1900s?
The cost of Swiss watches I'll be buying japanese watches.
Too much generalisation. How to compare the Grand Seiko watch with the plastic Swatch watch or the quartz Casio Watch for 100$ with the mechanical Omega watch for 10000$?
Seiko is written in kanji as "精巧". 精巧 means "exquisite" and is a homophone of "成功(success)".
Oh so are mostly the differences of swiss and japanese watches. I think they're both good depending on the taste of the person who's gonna wear it. Thanks for sharing this!
Japanese automatic watches are not even close to Swiss watches. Seiko movements are not as precise as Swiss ones. My Seiko alpinist looses 20 secs per day, my chepaest Swiis watch with Eta looses max 5 secs.
These deserves more views
Exellent review about Are Swiss Watches Really Better Than Japanese Watches. The video is very useful and innovative. Thanks for sharing the video.
Toyota vs Mercedes. Choose well!
Money for Mercedes because it keeps breaking down having to take it to the shop to get repaired
Yup... the "FAMOUS" Swiss Mercedes. Nice try at being clever.
If you want a watch as a piece of jewelry, then buy a Swiss watch. If you need a watch for timekeeping, then get a Japanese watch.
Want both 😅
@@hmangaihaahmaa1239 Get a F-91W and you are halfway there 😋
@@DJGeorgeDisco Bin Laden's jewel.
I use my Omega Seamaster for timekeeping as it's my most accurate automatic watch 😊.
Excellent video, thank you.
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I've personally owned over the past 23 years a lot of high end Swiss made and several high end Seiko Japannese divers. High end luxury Seiko watches at the current moment with the newer releases of the SAL series and upwards but especially the SLA models, for the moment, offer unmatched hand finished with literal hand assembled grand seiko 8L35 movements that are every bit equal to or arguably a step above a lot of the Swiss brands in every aspect for about 35 percent less the price. I know this from intimate first hand experience being that I've owned a great many of both and especially over the past 5 to 7 years. It's certainly a very debatable and subjective topic that is simply unable to be irrefutably given a superior winner other than luxury seiko just for the moment offering far more for 3 grand than Swiss being nearly 6 grand for a truly comparable timepiece. Seiko is about to nearly double their retail with their high end luxury that will totally negate their better value for similar like timepices. Basically both are going to have inflated their retail prices so insanely high that the entire luxury high end watch sector or very small market share thereof to go under and literally be all but gone. Both will end up by the very definition of self imposed over competing inflation totally destroy their already small and fragile market share they currently hold right now if barely that very little like I believe they to have. Big business greed in which I just don't agree irrevocably repeats itself as indicated by history. Always.
Este es el mejor video que he visto de comparación entre ambas industrias.
❤ my Longines! affordable and very accurate.
I have a cheap earnshaw which costed me 50 bucks but it as good looking as a high end maurice lacroix
such a valuable content, thank you a lot.
What Japanese watch would be at the same level of an Omega Seamaster 300, for example?
Grand Seiko. They’re pretty pricey.
Very informative 🎉
well explained and detailed comparison video about the features of Swiss Watches and Japanese Watches. I am personally a big fan of Swiss Watches
If only seiko and other asian watches could control their watch movement be used for mods, I think value might appreciate overtime due to rarity of a certain time piece. There's what we call here a seiko mods watch available on a very cheap price, not an overall seiko original but the movement used are all originals from seiko
Regardless of the high engineering standard of either continent, aesthetics, for the most part is what informs especially the buyer who has the cash but isn't interested in the fancy detail technical jargon like 'detent', rehaut, evacuation or black polished chatons.... This is where suisse horology always wins the battle of the higher end watch! Love the Seikos but, the looks aren't as universally appealing to the market they are aiming for!
Are Swiss and Japan the only two games in town or are there other nations who make top quality time pieces? Thanks
Germany with A.Lange & Söhne, Glashütte Original, Junghans, Sinn
Italy with Panerai, Bulgari
Swiss watches company do their best in marketing because they cannot compete with japanese watches in price ranges
Would people pay 100 times as much if there was NO writing on any of the watches?
I had around 18 watches all japanes brands and most well known swiss brands all of them had some plus points and minus points in the end i gave most away to my Family members.
Agree 100% on aesthetics proposition. Until recently Japanese analog watches, apart from the divers, were a bit incoherent, missing the mark and stale in the over all design.
Japanese watches are made to be used and admired, Swiss made watches are only made to be admired,no one with normal means doesn't wear a $100k+ watch for daily use.
This is an in depth analysis of swiss and japanese watches and gives the viewers information of a valuable nature.
rolex or omega are big brands and
not really accessible. for me.Nevertheless, I think both Japan and Switzerland are the same
It’s like saying a Mercedes is better than a Toyota. Japan wins hands down on longevity and reliability.
the japanese do make great watches but overall the swiss watches are higher end and provide more features with possibly A LANGE & SONNE the best for hand finishing.
Price ranges =
More features?
That’s debatable..
features are debatable. I just saw a mechanical Seiko that is Solar powered and GPS enabled
How many swiss watches provide the same feature. A diamond stud on the dial is not a feature.
Some are better.
My 25+ Casios are screaming “VFM” !
BIG ERROR. quartz was first marketed in 1969. it was seiko that drove swiss watches to near extinction. IN 70'S. NOT 50's, 60'sas you stated!!!!
Obrigado por ter feito esta excelente comparação, difícil escolher entre o Russo e o Japonês, acho que cada um deles tem suas peculiaridades que os tornam relógios diferenciados dos demais.
How about German brands like JUNGHANS?
Old Brand I got one when I was 12 years old in 1962
The simple answer to the question posed in the video title: “of course NOT!”.
What are you - crazy?
I wonder why only two countries can produce decent watches.
Yes
Too much cuts scenes. Every second
The Orient Bambino 38mm is the only watch model in my watch ollection i bought more than once , i have 3 including a Limited Edition i paid way to much because it was sold out quickly after release and was only meant for the UK Market, one of the last ones available from a seller in Malaysia , the watch itself only costs around 200- 300 Dollars i paid almost 1000 , it was crazy but i had to have it .
I like the High End japanese Watches more then overhyped Swiss Watches like Rolex or AP
Grand Seiko can easy compete with the Quality of Rolex and AP.
IMHO Rolex Watches are not so Special that the Hype and No1 Status is justified, Rolex has the best Marketing and a clean Lineup which never changed much since the 70s. I can respect that.
For a solid Watch under 500€ I would go allways for a japanese Watch like a Seiko Presage, Orient Star or Citizen. If I want a High End Daily Watch I go with a Grand Seiko SLGA007, if I want a Diver ill stick to a Blancpain Fithy Fathoms, If I want something really expencive with Fancy Design and Complications I would go for a Vacheron Constantin or Breguet.
No really but the swiss look good don't they
This video seems full of recycled video snippets. A bit more effort would be appreciated.
S E I K O
On your wedding day, to the girl of your dreams come true……
In front of many honored respected guests….
Would you prefer a Grand Seiko on your wrist or a ROLEX?
case closed.
Teddy Balsemare wore a grand Seiko on his wedding day so Seiko ftw!
Every Seiko Sports is meticulously miss aligned to top standards 😂
I love my Lexus and i wear my Swiss watches
I love my Jaguar and my BMW and wear my Swiss watches 🙂.
How is this video longer than 4 seconds? Just say "NO."
When I see that the second hand on a new Seiko Titanium does not match the lines on the dial, then my question is answered.
Sir namaste
Take a GS and a swiss watch at the same price.... "every" buyer who aint a watch nerd will bye the swiss watch.
Why?.... becourse when they flash their new watch they want their friends to now it was expensive without asking the price.
'Occult' following? And why the apostrophe in 1950s?
Better made doesn’t mean better brand. Seiko’s are good but Rolex’s have the X factor.
Japanese watches are objectively better than non trinity swiss watches.
No, they are not.
@@zsb707 They 100% are
watch making technologies employed by the swiss & the japanese stand toe to toe
I am sure the Germans have something to say who is better. The Koreans are also coming up
No one can beat Japanese quality. Swiss watches are over priced pieces of jewelry, and often unreliable. Yes, Swiss may be pioneers but Japanese have led the way in innovation and quality. It is like BMW vs Lexus. One is more reliable than the other.
Rolex is NOT Swiss!
With my Experience Japanese are better.
Swiss watches aren't worth the price. Japanese are!
No the best are the Chinese that are making 600-700 dollars almost perfect copy of big brands like Rolex etc
Nope.
Nice AI video
🇯🇵 = Less counterfeit , fake & bootleg😉but still buyers beware ! if they can copy straight outta cheap casio why not fot those high end , premium & luxury timepiece...... watch⌚out🧐then sorry😉
Come on, Now a day a watch is just a piece of jewry, the most expensive mechanical watch can't tell time as accurate as the cheapest phone. Why care about the accuracy of the moment at all.
Accuracy is part of the beauty of a mechanical watch and highlights the complexity behind it. You wouldn't want a mechanical watch that's off by 30 minutes a day
swiss ... indigenous people ... what?
Indigenous = native
@@ChromeMan04 there is no such thing as indigenous swiss.
Terrible 😞. So many mistakes!!!!!!
Rolex is British 😑
Swiss watch best wold alberto
Swiss watches are shit; everyone thinks the rolex you are wearing is a fake, no matter if it is gen or not...
Like my Apple Watch
As usual you get what you pay for , i have swiss and japanese watches from all sorts of brands , i have no preference to be honest , i buy what i like from japanese to swiss new or vintage , both countries make good watches in my opinion , but as the guy in the Video said Swiss watches have still a better reputation and keep their value better than their japanese counterparts .