Daniel Immerwahr How to Hide an Empire
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- Ask people to draw a connection between the words “America” and “colonies,” and most will conjure up revolutionary images of 1776. But America’s colonial history extends much further than the 18th century, and involves a different power dynamic, one in which America was the colonizer, not the colonized. For example, in 1945, the US claimed jurisdiction over more people living outside the States than inside them. In How to Hide an Empire, Northwestern professor Daniel Immerwahr traces the crucial yet oft-obscured role that US overseas territories have played in the development of the nation. From island colonies to military bases, Immerwahr will illuminate America’s evolving influence abroad, giving crucial context for contemporary American foreign policy.
This program is presented in partnership with the Alice Kaplan Institute for the Humanities.
This program was recorded on October 27, 2019.
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38:30 The lecture suddenly skips, but he said:
An account from the wreckage of Manila from a boy named Oscar: he met a G.I. who gave him chocolate and he replied with 'thank you very much.' The G.I. was confused and asked how he spoke English.
Tyvm
thank you!
Lol a G.I.? Probably some POG
Thanks. The ubiquitous Catholic Church in the Philippines changed over from the Spanish Church to the American branch, which accounts for English preceding American forces. In the Visayas and especially Cebu, the language of Cebuano, also known as Visayan, has a lot of Spanish loan words, and in the Manila area, lots more English speakers with their telltale eggagerated American "r"s that you hear from call centers and filipina nurses in USA. A Visayan speaker such as my wife has more of a Spanish speaker's r's,
Thanks!
I was born soon after World War II and raised in the Philippines but have lived in the United States for most of my adult life. My father served in the USAFFE under General McArthur. My children and grandchildren are Americans. In many ways, I am Filipino-American. Thank you for filling in the gaps in my understanding of the Philippines 🇵🇭 and the United States 🇺🇸 and the historical extent of American influence worldwide.
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I am part- Hawaiian, Samoan and Puerto Rician, the history of how my people became a part of the United States needs to be taught, thank you for sharing this history. Mahalo nui loa
Long live United States and the Philippines.
More like DAMN "HAOLE!"
@@chessonso2610 The USA is an illegally occupied collection of first nations,
I totally agree, I have been researching just about everything and I am amazed at how much I don't have a clue about, your issue one of them, not even a whisper, I am now 63 F I cannot believe how much I never knew even happened. oh thanks for the internet.
@@GeaVox No legal authority in the International Community recognizes this statement therefore its legality is invalid.
Fell asleep watching Wathammer 40,000 comic shorts and woke up to this. I'm not disappointed.
I ended up here from warhammer videos as well
A perfect topic-cycle - congratz, dear algorithm xD
@@sillylung Same here :D The algorithm protects.
I strangely autoplayed from an initial viewing of a guppy breeding vid. This is a super gripping way of teaching me some history, of which I was previously ignorant!
I came from "libertarian candidate strips onstage at party convention"
And thus the Emperor proclaimed: "To each... his own?"
Just how he handled the opening alone, I knew I was going to like this guy.
This guy is classy.
Everything he said in the first 5 minutes is inaccurate by omission.
@@moodist1er Thank goodness someone sees through this guy. He's very skilled at presenting a fact and then foisting his narrative onto the situation with no proof. I was especially upset how he concluded that the US strategic plan was to deal with Europe first and worry about the Pacific situation later because of the ethnicity of the respective populations. I would postulate that Germany (and Italy) were considered a bigger threat for multiple reasons: (1) Greater industrial capacity than Japan (2) greater military might than Japan (3) closer proximity to the US mainland (4) and others. While Japanese submarines did occasionally prowl the west coast, the German U-boats were wreaking havoc all along the east coast. Yamamoto said when the US carriers were not destroyed at Pear Harbor, the war was already lost. He knew that the Japanese military and industrial capacity was stretched to the limit and the only hope was to hurt the US bad enough to attempt for a stalemate. All this said, the US immediately launched offensives in the Pacific, it just took a few years to get all the way to the Philippines. Oh yeah, and where was the first significant US offensive in the European theatre?......North Africa, not what most people would consider a land of Anglo-Saxon peoples.
@@jonwalter6317 the pacific is rich with gold and copper. We're not occupying the Philippines because we believe in democracy, lol.
@@jonwalter6317 Apologists for the powerful are an embarrassment to the human race
@@jonwalter6317 another reason to have prioritized Europe, was to bolster Britain, which was facing the eventual risk of starvation if the German U-Boat threat wasn't blunted. And before long, Britain was actually beginning to run low on men (around the end of the Battle of Normandy).... Britain lost a vastly higher % of their military-aged men than most Americans realize, from years of fighting in the Far East, Southeast Asia, Near East, North Africa, Battle of Britain, bombing campaign vs. Germany etc.
The narrative in Philippine history books is that we sort-of coalesced as a nation under the long rule of the Spanish, and the dramatic bit is us fighting for independence from Spain. US and Japanese rule aren't suppressed, people know, but that's not considered as significant. Filipinos feel kinda like the US and Japan were just passing through, an intermission between Spanish rule and real independence.
14:24 "We believe this statement is not true." It is "an alibi instead of an explanation."
I wish people said that more often!
I was taught in a similar fashion to those 7th grade girls by my history dept at Columbine High School in the early 1990s. Bless good teachers. We need as many as we can get.
For good portion of my life, the situation with the Philippines has always perplexed me. And the more I have researched the Philippines, the more disgusted I have become with the way that the United States has not only treated them but forgotten about them. I've been in the process of making a video about it for quite some time, and once in a blue moon do a bit more research. I got to say, I'm thankful to have come across this video and to find somebody who has a very similar perspective as I do. He hits the nail right on the head with a number of points I have found myself thinking in the exact same way.
It's built into the logic of colonialism. There's us and there's our colonies. If we are in danger, we must protect us at the expense of the colonies. They can be rebuilt later, us can't. For a really concise and clear treatise, read Thomas Moore: Utopia. This was perceived to be the best possible state of things.
Considering the timeline...the Philippines Independence was already on the schedule before December 7th, 1941 and and been anticipated in the US with some enthusiasm for decades, IIRC leaders from the Philippines here to argue for their Independence were greeted warmly. I would argue that the US/Philippines relationship as more of a "protectorate" (with all the negative and paternalistic connotations that go along with the use of the term) than a "colony".
Unlike Hawai'i, the Philippines were on the way out of the immediate US Family with good feelings all around.
lol the US still sends troops to help stabilize the Philippines...
When i was into a deeper study into why the u.s. was involved in Philippine politics, i went deep into the rabbit hole that is the Philippine Revolution. . . And how america became it's protectorate.
As i studied deeper, more holes in the history, and terminology appeared.
For example: the Philippine Insurrection. Why is it called that when clearly, the u.s. forces were not native in this land.
@@markknife1 Seems fairly transparent that the US did not recognize a gap in ownership between the previous Spanish administration and their own. A clear title had been exchanged, so to speak. As well, it is an artifact of Colonialism...this seems fairly uncontroversial. It was a continuation of the existing anti colonial struggle which preceded the US presence. The Spaniards, who also were not native, called it an insurrection because they were an empire. The US found it convenient to use the same term for the same conflict when they tagged in. But they weren’t an empire like Spain, but actually bought into the whole white mans burden schtick and wanted to leave the place a functional democracy for our own ego gratification...also graft and corruption.
I wish I could thank Mr. Immerwahr personally for an excellent and informative presentation. I needed this broader perspective of WWII.
As a Samoan, his pronunciation of Hawaii and Sāmoa is perfect.
Good to know.
Your father was a wonderful lecturer and you remind us so much of him. Engaging, total mastery of the material and perfect use of humor.
As a high school history teacher who teaches this topic, THANK YOU for educating others about it. Americans are not well educated on US imperialism, the Spanish-American War, the Philippine American War (and tragedies within it like the Moro Massacre), the annexation and coup in Hawaii, and US involvement in Latin America over the 20th century. More Americans died in the Philippine-American War (1899-1902) than in the Spanish-American War (1898), and while neither are discussed enough at least some Americans have heard of the Spanish-American War.
Too bad most of what's taught in US history classes is myth.
@@stephencorsaro954 sadly very true. The bias is very real in most classrooms, in both how things are explained & what is chosen to be focused on as well as left out.
So, how did you escape the total academic bias in favor of American imperialism during your academic history training? Or did you not escape that bias and learn about these topics only after grad school?
@@briananderson8428 after the civil war libraries were purged of historical records. But..in the some of these libraries the material was moved into the basements. Boston Public Library was one of the places that pamphlets, broadsides and personal correspondence got stored. There have been several basement floods over the years but in the seventies I spent several hundreds of hours searching and photographing documents. I wasn't the only one. There is information out there but it takes multiple sources to try to find the "truth" about all of US history. So much of it has been cleaned and so much propaganda has been created that it's not easy. There's many authors that have published deep dive history in every time frame in our history. When I was young I volunteered thru the Catholic Church to do elder home "visiting". Listening to people tell stories of their lives from the late 19th and early 20th century got me interested to begin with. I was shocked by the disconnect between their reality and what I was being taught that in made me curious.
@@briananderson8428 try reading some history by Gerald Horne to start. It will shock you and maybe start you down the road. You don't need a formal education unless you plan to use it for making money. Curiosity is a decent motivation.Why else do we need truth? And what is the quality of life without curiosity and imagination because without those we can't be creative. Mostly it's not to consider yourself a sheep.
Can ya turn on the A/C?!? Great way 2 start this.
Crude, but effective
The A/C question comes across as a dogwhistle to your Global Warming base. (Note: I belong to that base.)
This was one amazing lecture. What a storyteller!
30, 000 Filipinos died resisting the American take over after the Spanish-American war.
Yes, & mostly in Mindinao, right where they continue to fight. And over 200,000 died in Manila alone in 1945 by the hand of the Japanese. Do you think Japan would have given independence as the US did in 1946?
This is false. It's more than a million and a half
@@edhuber3557 Considering how the US wasn't taking care of their own territory, it wouldn't have been unthinkable that if the Philippines got independence from the US that more favorable terms thsn absolute death and abuse could be agreed upon. Just look at what happened to Taiwan. Was in much better shape than thr Philippines was at the time despite becoming Japanese territory
@@carlosandleon Japan seemed to do well after we took over their country
@@carlosandleon probably because the Philippines put up an extremely strong defense and Japan was punishing them as well as using their resources to fuel their war effort. I mean cmon, are you even trying
I visited the Philippines in the 80s several times in the US Navy. The phillapino people were always great. At the time we maintained a large naval base and air base. After a major volcano damaged the areas we deserted the Philippines again. I never realized that in the 1930 these people were US citizens. The 1.6 million lives lost on the island was appalling.
The United States is always hardest on its own people.
Great presentation
A few months before the volcano. The government of the Philippines had ask us to withdraw all military and turn over the naval and air bases to them. When the volcano happened we were in the middle of doing that. It just speeded up the process We did not desert them. We wanted to stay
@@brucemace5404 Correct, this is how information gets muddled and misrepresented. The Philippines wanted the U.S out and the withdrawal was in progress as equipment was being moved to Guam and Okinawa. The Philippines didn't want to renew the leases. Mount Pinatubo just speed up the process. So now the Philippines has to fend of the Chinese with their PT boats whereas if they allowed the U.S Navy to stay, China would think twice about entering their waters to steal the fish.
There has been talks for the past several years of allowing the U.S. military back in, but who knows what goes on behind closed doors.
"The United States is always hardest on its own people."
It is called Human Resources for a reason. People are just tools in the hands of those people who own the world.
@@johnwayne2103 You are either being owned by one or the other. Not sure though which one is better. It seems like choosing between Cholera and Ebola.
@@laaaliiiluuu Have no idea what you are referring to bro.
This is really a wonderful lecture. I'm old now and I never understood that Japan attacked all these places on Dec 7th. I guess I knew that they attacked and occupied the Philippines, but all I recall was that McArthur said "I shall return" ... I never really understood when this was all done. Thank you Daniel Immerwahr for your good work.
And because we had to spend lots of time and resources in order to massage MacArthur's giant ego, the war in the Pacific lasted longer than it should have.
@@Harry-nn4px
According to the lecture the war in the Pacific was given second priority to the war in Europe - that's why.
It's crazy to me how little the Pacific theater is covered in school and media. Japan was such a bigger issue than Germany, but it's just glossed over.
@@leviswranglers2813
How are you comparing Japan and Germany in that case?
@@leviswranglers2813 well the thing was that politically the war should have focused first on Japan on the American perspective but to aid in the allied effort overall it should be said the pull of the European powers had their influence and FDR's ideological disdain for Germany. More interestingly was how the US bungled their alliance with China undermining them cause the US commander was racist and also was aiming to overthrow the Chinese leader Chiang Kai-shek as well strategically leaving them out to dry and poorly coordinating with them. Causing the once well trained professional army of the Chinese Republic through casualties reduced to an exhausted and defeated force where the ccp threw out even though 90% of defending the Chinese homeland was done by the CRA.
this video has been recommended to me for over a year so I'm finally watching it and I want to thank the Google gods for not giving up. 10/10 lecture
Good on those Kalamazoo students. My aunt told me that during ww II she & my grandmother had purchased a world atlas that they used to track what was happening as they listened to the daily radio reports on the war.
Because 7th graders should determine everything. It sounds to me McNally was correct, and the State Dept only sided with the students to push a war that got 400k Americans killed.
@@elgenboden1245 you idiot. The students were right
"Was it over, when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
"The Germans?"
"Forget it. He's rolling."
Whoa 6 hours ago, UA-cam algorithm doing work
"D-Day??? Isnt that when France invaded Mexico or something?"
"This situation requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!"
"We're just the guys to do it!"
this is a stunningly inclusive account of imperialism that's not really anti-imperialist.
Its strange that he can describe exactly how the US holds power in many places and yet doesn't condemn it really ever
@@tighegilmore9202 if he does. He gets censored. That's how America works. He researched it.
@@tighegilmore9202 because that’s how the world has worked going back to idk ancient Egypt and beyond.
he forgot liberia 🥴
I mean we used to have the expectation that presenters give unbiased lessons.
Daniel Immerwahr soon book launching or signing in Manila would be something I'm interested and to look forward.
"The governor's by the punchbowl, thank you very much." - OOA
I was today years old when I learned that the Philippines were ever an American territory.
People call the the Korean War the forgotten war, no the forgotten war is the Spanish-American War.
America also declared independance in 1776
Are you citizen of USA?
Wait till you learn how the Filipinos were treated by the US soldiers. The precurser to Vietnam.
They actually purchase the Philippines and other Spanish colonies for $20 million. And then they fool the Filipinos with a mock battle between the Spanish troops when most of the American forces are going in Intramuros, Manila and finalizing the deal with the Spanish government.
Great lecture that helped me get catapulted into doing my own research. Love lectures that spark me to dig deeper and keep learning.
America nowadays: "Taiwan is independent clay!"
America in WWII: "Hmm Philippines is our land, but that doesn't make them real Americans."
UK in WWII: "Oi what do you mean Indians are people?"
Germany in WWII: "Slav is uninhabited clay."
That 7th grade class....respect.
Whatever loser
I wonder what that atlas showed for Alaska.
@@gregorykrajeski6255 Bear country. We let them join, and joined them in there fight against their salmon infestation.
@@frederick3467 what are you mad about?
I read the book and saw this video. I thought there was a correlation lol
Amazing read. Kinda shakes you to your core n makes you think “what else is there that I can learn?”
Baader Meinhof Phenomenon?
this subject shook you to your core, wow. You are easily shook.
@@wazzupdj98d61 eh somewhat. I got similar vibes from reading a people’s history of the us, and killing hope.
son is history major-junior- and alaskan native so i will share this
@18:57 "So what should we call it?" If it helps, in my high school geography class I was taught to call them "The contiguous states".
Exemplary use of english
Always referred to it as the lower 48, meaning the 48 states below Alaska. (I’m Texan idk if that’s a southern thing)
@@mj6463 Thats an Alaskan thing :) We say the L48 as in everyone bellow Alaska, but we leave Hawaii separate because we are bros with them, and they are unique like us. So its all of yall down there in the L48, then us and Hawaii.
And yes, the correct term is contiguous states, not to be confused with the continental states which include Alaska and not Hawaii.
@@RealHankShill p
Wow! Great research, spot on analysis, exciting presentation. You Rock!!!
"There are times when men have to die" - no one has to die for an empire
You mean because of the empire of Japan? If not for America, Japan might still occupy the Philippines.
I took Professor Immerwahr’s History class on the Carbon Age back in my freshman year. He is always enlightening to listen to. Great stuff, professor!
Fantastic historian. Need more like him.
He did an excellent interview with Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez. The good prof even learned something in the interview!
More like a propagandists.
more jewish historians? As if there is a lack thereof...
@@theomnissiahschosen3787 even Josephus Flavius was a Jew
@@monocle8868 What a google coincidence. I was just looking into him today. The all-seeing eye on our dollars. The secret society of the male-Cohen dna line. "The Shepard Kings".. there's a niche theory Moses was King Tut or one of the others of that period who are overly popularized despite not being very important historically, like Einstein for instance.
Yeah guy, Josephus was an exception. Isn't his historical import as being the "Roman" who chronicled the destruction of Judea? Literally the most important Jewish historian and you say, "even".
This was so good! Thank you!
Fun fact: Immerwahr in German means Always true.
In the military, there is a name for the “logo map” of the US - it is called CONUS, short for “contiguous United States”.
CONUS and OCONUS.
I thought conus meant continental united States.
Officially, it's 'Conterminous United States' - because continental would include Alaska which CONUS does not. But 'contiguous' is also used and is appropriate for the usage. OCONUS is 'Outside the Contiguous United States' - and is used to refer to Alaska (and HI, PR, AS, G, etc), despite Alaska's clear presence on the North American continent. Alaska is not contiguous to the 48 states (and DC) which CONUS refers to.
Yes, it measures the official shoreline territory of the US
Should be "Contagious", like a bad virus. Kidding. Maybe not. Why do they need to control every country in the world. Middle East.....the destabilized the entire region. Continual history of attacking countries and changing the property lines to destroy every CULTURE. Just like indigenous people, they tell them you are no longer allowed to speak your language or practice your culture. Same pattern so if you want us to believe they have the best interest of people, you have some explaining to do. Quote children....we do not believe this true. They change names of countries, take away their identity, split up neighbors and families and the list of Catholics/ Christians that have been genocided are too long to list. I think you apologists are paid to continue the disinformation campaigns that started before the British left and continues to this day. Many people who are traitors to America are willing to get pd to lie. I hope they remember that when their friend China and Other bought countries slaughter "We the people"
Thank you for sharing this. True American history. It’s so hard to find.
Fantastic book! I highly recommend it.
Why didn't the camera guy show all the pictures he had. I wanted to see them
The camera guys job is to capture the person speaking. If they wanted to show the pictures in this presentation they would have had to have someone edit it in post and put the pictures in. And that would require paying an editor. Or it would require a completely different set up from what they had to do a live feed that can have overlays show up.
It would have been cool to see the pictures but I understand entirely why the camera guy didn't pan up. It would look stupid.
Excellent presentation, excellent presenter! I'm very impressed with the presentation, and yeah, this is the first time I've really heard someone talk about the American Empire as just that, an empire. Good for him to make it clear.
Superb talk. Thanks a lot. And greetings from Niterói, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
Bombing of Darwin, Australia.
The Bombing of Darwin, also known as the Battle of Darwin, on 19 February 1942 was the largest single attack ever mounted by a foreign power on Australia. On that day, 242 Japanese aircraft, in two separate raids, attacked the town, Australian and American ships in Darwin's harbour and the town's two airfields in an attempt to prevent the Allies from using them as bases to contest the invasion of Timor and Java during World War II.
Later in the war, Darwin DID become a submarine base. But, by that time, Japan had decisively lost the war.
BTW, during Obama's pivot to Asia, Darwin came back on the map. That's where a USMC brigade was proposed to be sited. Things may have totally changed in the last six-years.
I had no idea... I knew we had colonies but I had no idea as to the actual role they played or the fact that they existed in our history 🤯
The U.S is the premier imperialist power today.
You should really get his book. It was a real eye opener.
they still exist by the way!
I wanted a lecture about the hidden empire that exists today.
it's far more subtle and I think not as Comprehensive as people may think. And on what front?
extrapolate
My country is definitely part of the hidden Empire.
When you have way more Mcdonald's, KFCs, Pizzahuts, Hardee's, and other American chain restaurants than local cuisine, when our supermarkets are filled with American products that has became essential to every house hold here, when people watch American movies, TV shows, and children cartoons and not local ones. When some people (dare I say most of the younger generation) know much more about the American culture and politics than our own local culture and politics. When our cities are designed almost exactly like American cities (ugly cities that are designed for cars and not for people) when I see Los Angeles, it just feels like any city in my country (when our ancestors had one of the best and most beautiful architecture and city design). When people's dreams became "owning two cars and a big villa" and that's all what life is about to them, money, money, money. When American military bases are everywhere in our country. Yea, we are so clearly yet stealthily colonised by the USA.
Hint: my country has lots of oil 😉
The empire that exists today is based upon the one described here. You just have to extrapolate, as RC said.
@@yuzan3607 that was so eloquently written. Thank you for taking the time to write that. I really think you hit the nail on the head. I wish there was something I could do directly to address your issue as an American. Not everyone can live as an “American” there will never be enough resources in the world.
Excellent video, thank you!
Thank you for this
If you like this guy there is an excellent podcast called Hardcore History with Dan Carlin that goes over historical history that is often overlooked or comes at popular historical events from different angles.
GOOD to share it ! may be i will listen it ( Law legal rights how someone Just invade other lands under what laws / if you invade is other story )
His podcasts are seriously some of the most informative and entertaining things I've ever listened to. Cannot recommend him enough
I did like this guy. As Irish immigrant stock living in the UK I just love the "untold" histories. Thank you for the heads up on Hardcore History. I will definitely be checking that.
Hardcore history is amazing!!!
Indeed, his podcast series on Mongol conquests and East front of WW2 were my first windows into these topics and have left a deeper impression on me than any other books/documentaries on those subjects I've consumed since then.
the Reason why Hawaii was different -- culturally -- was due to RADIO. There was an immensely popular show called "Hawaii Calls" that played on the biggest radio broadcasters in the United States. It ran and ran. The voices on that show spoke ENGLISH with a California accent. Quite simply, everyone knew of Oahu and its harbor, Honolulu. The tunes played on the show were VERY Hawaiian. This was not a classics broadcast. The number of Americans who had visited the Islands was drastically larger than that visiting the Philippines.
And it was the Pacific Fleet that had been attacked. The USAAF in the Philippines had virtually no assets (planes) until FDR decided to beef it up -- in 1941. Indeed, B-17s were being brought in to the Philippines pretty much under the radar. A loopy route was chosen so that Tokyo was supposed to be in the blind. As IF! (They had spies all over the Pacific.)
In contrast, the typical American had no cultural connection to the Philippines -- Guam -- Wake -- most would be hard pressed to locate Singapore. Using such names would result in a word-salad for most listeners.
BTW, The Philippines were already on a trajectory to become INDEPENDENT. Just another reason why American's did not consider it to be a colony. Americans thought that The Philippines belonged to the Filipinos -- not themselves. Similar attitudes exist even now WRT Puerto Rico and Guam.
In classical imperial economics, the colonies support the center. With America, the center indulges its territories. They are DEPENDENCIES. All attempts to get Puerto Rico to declare independence have gone no-where. As for Guam, Guamanians are more American than Americans. They LOVE the flag. Japanese occupation will do that.
Great input.
Daniel, your explanation was much more educational than the speaker's "Hawaiians were white".
@@marcus8710 yeah that stuck out like a sore thumb
Its, from a purely aesthetical point of view, quite an ugly flag really. Would be easier to love if it were prettier.
@TryllaTröllMaistre Fictitious Fables of Europa guess that´s what happens when they have higher rates of poverty than any us state and only like 3 universities
I am Puerto Rican and I know in 1897 Spain granted us autonomy just like the same relationship that the UK and Canada have today, but the United States took Puerto Rico at gun point from Spain illegally, and the United States took away the our currency, the Puerto Rican peso, and 1901 Puerto Rico had a hurricane and the American banks with support of u.s. made sure you took away our land, my mother did what she could to get my grandfather's land back out to no avail!
Wow, good presentation. Ty
how to hide myself from myself.. first i must conquer myself.. and then ill have defeated myself..
History and mathematics are the poorest taught subjects in the American K-12 public education system.
Check out the document in gov that says, paraphrased, Give the Americans the bare minimum education so not even the brightest among them will never figure it out. Not sure what year that was written.
Incredible. I'll be looking at reviews of his book, interested in reading!
This is an AWESOME presentation about the United States and it's Empires. I've purchased the book and I can't wait to read it ... That's just a smidgin' of what this book has to offer with it's 22 exciting Chapters!
Really great to hear him talk as objectively as possible about these things (as any historian should). Great lecture!
He was stretching it here and there. That's all I'll say.
The way he says "Hawaii" made me look how to pronounce it (English vs local pronunciation).
Great presentation!
"Immer wahr" = "always true" :-)
The allies knew that the concept of bushido made the Japanese army loyal to the point of suicide, which is what prompted the definitive action of dropping the bomb. When cultural mores supercede logic/reason/morals, extreme force is required.
My wife, and many of my friends and clients, are Japanese. Nevertheless, you are right.
By that logic we should have attacked japan before germany.
@@dennismitchell5276 That logic doesn't suggest preemptive action at all. Although we did attack the Japanese before anyone else during WWII.
Japan was completely cut off by the end of the war. It was bombed flat before the nukes.... I think that the nukes were as much scientific experiment as weapon of war.
@@MrCrouchback Einstein rallied hard for their use, whilst pretending in the press that he was against them and a pacifist.
38:29 missing segment?
This video needs way more viewers
Amazing lecture.
Loved this book. Would LOVE to have Daniel on my podcast to discuss this book
the army refers to the logo map as CONUS for continental US and everything else that is America as OCONUS (outside the continental US, yes the military is an imaginative group)
Messenger messages. Shots fired! Greed is about as close as most folks get to rationality.
Holy crap I've been through public school. Studied ww2 and been to the war museum in Louisiana and never once have I read that the Philippines was US colony. I thought we were in Philippines as allies not as defense of US citizens. Pretty dark history that isn't taught.
I suppose this presentation is for the ignorant masses? Alaska was sold to the US by Russia, and Russia wanted to. He also shies away from talking about Cuba after the war despite it also being a Spanish territory. No mention of all the US infrastructure, education, etc projects and how well the Philippines and others were treated compared to how the British, French, etc treated their territories. His stupidly simplistic explanation for why the Europe First strategy was adopted. Making it sound like the US completely abandoned the Pacific until the end of the war. The reason for cutting the Japanese off from escape because they were determined to fight to the death. The fact that MacArthur was one of the biggest advocates on behalf of Asians, etc. On, and on, and on. This guy sounds great, but he's garbage. Blinded by some agenda or whatever? I don't know.
Wow! Just Wow!
Racism evil rigged society callers white supremacy. It’s a global system due to the silence of whites people. They benefited and went only with this system. They didn’t know full details on how the government was misleading the people but they knew this system was inhumane and unjust. So a round of applause 👏 for destroying humanity.
@@stephdrake2521 lol everything is white people's fault? keep telling yourself that
@@stephdrake2521 you realize blaming a specific group of people for all the world's problems is what the nazis did right? I just wanted to make sure you are aware how racist you are. Put it into perspective so to speak.
Puerto Rico recently had a referendum in which the majority agreed to be part of the united states.
At least as a territory you get some kind of protection, being a banana republic sounds less pleasant.
@@Logan-xu1mm The Puerto Ricans put in a lot more than what they get, they pay taxes and fight in the military they need to be represented.
@@incisivecommenter5974 Then they can vote for Statehood or Independence. but they don't. Stop being paternalistic and trying to decide for them.
@@OtherDAS That's what the referendum was for. Puerto Ricans agreed to be part of the United States. Its up to Congress to act, to add them into the union.
Republicans DO NOT want to add PR because they tend to vote Democrat.
@@incisivecommenter5974 Last referendum I saw has THREE options. Status Quo, Statehood, Independence. SQ won, Statehood did not though it came close. Independence just under 1%. This was before Hurricane and the want more Fed dollars.
what a great name for a historian
Great vid ty.
Oscar and the GI? There seems to be a part of this missing. Anybody know the missing piece?
i do not know those , ''Oscar and GI ! ''
I am surprised at the fact that after the end of he presentation, no questions arose from the public as to why Puerto Rico becomes a "territory" and Cuba does not, even though both become independent from Spain in a similar way. What are the reasons for this "lapsus"?
Perhaps it didn't fit the political narrative.
The corporations and the mob wanted to exploit Cuba, but some of these things would be illegal on US territories, perhaps.
The declaration of war approved by congress instructed the president to make Cuba independent; the US was joining an 3-year-old war for Cuban independence. There was no such war in Puerto Rico (although Spain had just a few months before given Puerto Rico internal self government). So it really wouldn't have fit the political or legal narrative to make Cuba a US territory, but Puerto Rico and the Phillipines were kind of "bonus" aquisitions, outside the official purpose of the declaration of war.
@@fazole Yes, the Mob wouldn't want to do anything illegal. EYEROLL goes here.
Exactly. Cuba was given independence. P.Rico keeps voting to not get independence (less than 1%) or petition for Statehood around 47%.
My guess is the reason for this laps is to push his Agenda.
Just FYI, in Alaska we call it the "lower 48". Also sometimes when we're talking with islanders they refer to Alaska as part of the mainland, so not as clear what that term means.
Alaska is part of the mainland. The mainland, is, not to sound sarcastic, but the main-land.
Continental United States = Everything on the continent, I.E. all states except Hawaii.
Contiguous United States = Everything that is not interrupted, I.E. the 48 states that are not interrupted.
The truth would never change. Lies change according to desires and time.
Fascinating talk!
I loved living in Guam for 4 years, and as for their relationship and views on their American-ness I'd say... It's complicated. There's Guam culture (in which I'd include "everyone who calls the island home") and then Chamorro culture (closer to pure native). Chamorro culture is celebrated, but in a kind of Americanized way (weekly food-and- exhibition festival with vendors and food carts; Big John (RIP brother) and his carabao rides at Fort Soledad, &c.). Guam culture as a whole is a lot like other small islands, incl. Hawaii (e.g. a half-hour drive is a looooooong way). They have politicians and elections like anywhere stateside, and have certainly been influenced by the US politically vis-a-vis systems of govt.
There are roads you should definitely not drive down unless you want to get a beating, but on the other hand I could show up to a Chamorro neighbor's bbq with a case of Bud and be perfectly welcome.
The view of the Japanese is interesting, since Guam is a major tourist destination for them and they spend a lot of money. There's also some really great Japanese businesses there, restaurants and shops and the like. There's a recognition of what the Japanese did in WW2, but it seems like water under the bridge for the most part. They left some cool forts and dive spots
All told it's a place full of people being people. Some love America and see themselves as part of it; some hate it. Most don't care or think too much about it. Of course this was 10 years ago so take it with a grain of salt.
Fascinating. Still, I wonder what the connection is between what you told us and the theme of the book and lecture.
@@stavroskarageorgis4804 well it's been a year, but I think my point was that Guam is a good case study for what American "empire" looks like (or could look like, or maybe SHOULD look like): relatively benign and aloof, and only interested in control to the point that the military can operate freely there.
So far this is a great lecture. I certainly was not aware that the Japanese attacked all those other places within hours of each other. Of course I knew the Philippine's were a large part of the effort against the Japanese, but I didn't know that they were attacked the same day (dateline stuff notwithstanding).
I think the reason Hawaii got so much more recognition is because the extreme damage to our Navy. I mean 20 ships sunk, with the now iconic USS Arizona blocking escape routes and over 300 airplanes destroyed and over 2400 American lives lost. Far less were lost in the Philippine's if my research is correct.
Manila is the most destroyed city next to Warsaw Poland during world war 2. The longest and most destructive naval battle U.S had participated in history. And U.S surrender to Japan in the Philippines that leads to *Bataan death march* that caused 70,000 both U.S military and Filipino March to Hell.
Excellent
Thank you
But the Philippines didn't have most our Navy sitting there waiting to be sunk.
This was a timeless presentation. Thank you.
Needs another perspectives.
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 Maybe you do
@@deliarebaudengo5440 on the contrary, you definitely do.
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 what a surprise
@@deliarebaudengo5440 ;)
Regardless of the speaker's flippant quotation of a combat commander, the guiding principle for all U.S. military operations during WWII was efficiency in winning the war, not minimizing U.S. military casualties nor discounting civilian lives or other collateral damage. Thus, the decision to send M4 Sherman tanks against German Panther tanks, or fire bombing Dresden, or dropping atomic bombs on two Japanese cities, were driven by the same calculation as driving the Japanese out of Manila. As to the moral culpability for the civilian lives lost and cultural heritage destroyed, that rests as squarely on the shoulders of the Japanese military that chose to fight fanatically in Manila, as the destruction of Berlin rests on the shoulders of Hitler and the German military and their fanaticism.
I read the book. Good job.
This was a very fair, measured and honest treatment of a terribly difficult subject. We need more dialogue like this.
NO IT is not. See my rebuke and reply, elsewhere on this thread, posted today.
I suppose this presentation is for the ignorant masses? Alaska was sold to the US by Russia, and Russia wanted to. He also shies away from talking about Cuba after the war despite it also being a Spanish territory. No mention of all the US infrastructure, education, etc projects and how well the Philippines and others were treated compared to how the British, French, etc treated their territories. His stupidly simplistic explanation for why the Europe First strategy was adopted. Making it sound like the US completely abandoned the Pacific until the end of the war. The reason for cutting the Japanese off from escape because they were determined to fight to the death. The fact that MacArthur was one of the biggest advocates on behalf of Asians, etc. The fact that US territories like Guam have been asked repeatedly, yet don't want to become States, and don't want to be independent because they like where they are. On, and on, and on. This guy sounds great, but he's garbage. Blinded by some agenda or whatever? I don't know.
This guy Daniel Immerwahr would at best get a C or D+ for his misuse of facts and his interpretation of the same. He is just like hundreds of other American Bashers. American is the worlds favorite Nation to Hate. Despite this America has 40 million people as part of its population that were born somewhere else. If not more actual numbers change daily.
I bet you also think Forbes and Fox news give a fair interpretation of leading Democrats from the President on down.
You go algorithm!
Fantastic presentation! I learned a lot, does anyone know what was said during the cut where the us soldier was talking to the Filipino man?
If there is any way to see the photos at 36:38 that would be appreciated
The Karen at the beginning with the air conditioner shit lol 🤦♂️😂, it felt kinda ironic
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17:05 Alaska was purchased in 1867, not annexed in 1857. It was a negotiated deal initiated by the Russians who lost interest after depleting the sea otters and saw that their main rival, the British, could and perhaps would easily overtake Alaska from Canada and it was better to sell to America before that happened to not get the British as neighbors just across the Bering strait. This was just after loosing to the British (among others) in the Crimean war. The transaction was not approved by the people living there although it can be argued they where better treated (or less badly treated) by the Americans than by the Russians before them. Documented cases of slave trade of Alaskans by Americans exists though for as late as 1903.
My favorite movie about Pearl Harbor wasThe Final Countdown!
"incontravertibly the bloodiest thing that has ever happened in US history."
Corona: Well I guess it's incontravertible so far.
Amazing ..and very important.
Love the speaker’s surname! You gotta believe a guy like that... always!
Hey super cool vid and I am so grateful it popped up on my recommended. As an American, I’m embarrassed I didn’t know any of this. Thank you for posting.
Don't they teach you about this in school? It seems strange.
@@souljastation5463 Came to America as an immigrant, idk about the other states, but in nyc public schooling is a joke; And history as well, it’s mostly test prep with facts, ain’t deep in any sense; Yet as an overview, all classes I took in HS were on average everything I‘ve learnt 2 yrs ago back in Europe, but it was nice I made no effort, and had a lotta free time cause I didn’t need to study just review some things
@@souljastation5463 That's the same school that teaches them that the settlers only made fair trades with native americans, and that communism = totalitarism.
Nothing surprising here. It's called propaganda, and it starts early.
@@duconmicro4331 I've never heard in any school rejecting the genocide, displacement, treaty violations, or violence of American colonial or westward expansions, even in conservative states where they have legitimate lessons about local figures and their violent acts especially in the western states of Kansas or Texas. Maybe in eastern states this is more common to suppress the ethnic political conflicts that may arise but where the majority of native and foreign displacements and conquests are covered if only briefly in common high school curriculums, except maybe Hawaii since I've never seen their curriculum. And there isn't usually a ideological bend to teaching communism in a lot of American education to equating that Communism is totalitarian just that the most relevant to world history happen to be both and don't have education of it's real criticism. Like Cultural, Religious, and Class genocide both metaphorically and literally.
@@duconmicro4331 I learned more about the noble savage myth from my public school teachers than I did anywhere else. I didn’t learn about the WWII groundswell of support for the soviets in American intellectual circles so great the New York Times buried the holodomor from the American people to manipulate public support for tankie ideas. Maybe worst of all however, is in this very talk, Daniel here specifically uses humor to lighten the image of an iconic left wing figure, FDR, without bringing to light the reason the wanted to sweep the Philippines (or more likely the Filipino people) under the rug was just as likely because the president was a vehement racist on par with some of our worst and perhaps didn’t mind the idea of Asian people killing each other en masse.
31:12 "It was a very, very hard time in Southeast Asia", quite possibly the biggest understatement in regards to the monstrous behavior of Japanese soldiers and goverment in that part of the World.
Are you a citizen of Japan? If not, why are you so interested in critiquing Imperial Japan? What effect do you think that has and on whom?
@@stavroskarageorgis4804 Says the man who never criticized (that's the right word in this context) another country other than his own, right?
@@ivanm7938 Allies and clients of my country? Sure.
Really insightful
That was very good! Thanks!
Man, there is so much about this talk that I like. And the speaker says several times "but it was war". But his overall thrust doesn't seem to respect that. Japan was beyond brutal. Everyone likes to focus on Europe because the pacific theater was nothing but tears and the US wasn't given a choice in the matter.
At least according to the official US version of events
@@ramel684 unless you were there (and sometimes even if you were) untangling what really happened versus what people think happened is always a delicate matter.
That being said, most historians (across most countries) agree Japan was "beyond brutal".
@@ramel684 You forget that the Japanese Imperialist Empire being 'brutal' is not only substantiated by the US, but also the asian countries they ruled over during that period and accounts from the Japanese people themselves.