Hi there, thank you for sharing your dapping techniques. I've been Dapping for trout on my local still water for the past two years with great success. So i was interested in watching your video and techniques. From my own experience with four and five pound trout, I don't think that your coarse fish "elastic" system will stop a running fish after the "strike". The more likely result iwill be a broken tippet and escaping trout. Regarding your "strike", my own experience is NOT to strike, at all. Frequently the first show of the fish is to "drown" that skipping fly, and the trout then turns around for a second attempt, and sometimes third to then take the fly. I have found it best to watch the activity and ,when the trout does actually take, then it's own weight, returning to the depths will force the hookup. My advice is DO NOT STRIKE AT ALL. The Dapping rod. I use a seventeen foot telescopic dapping rod with eyes and a reel seat. I use 13 feet of dapping floss with a small loop on each end. One end is attached to 20lb nylon backing of about eighty metres onto a wide arbour reel. The business end is between four and six feet of 6lb tippet. Flies. Well my own thoughts are that the trout doesn't have a lot of time to identify what insect is skipping around airbourne overhead or fluttering on the surface. I palmer tie my own bushy bottlebrush style flies , with deer hair tails and a wee bit of angel hair for added sparkle, in sizes 14 to 10 barbless. When a trout leaps two feet in the air and catches one of these midair, then I'm not worried about trying to match the hatch. I do tie some lighter coloured ones for the darker days, and darker ones for the brighter days, but then my 80 year old eyes are not quite as good as they used to be. It's quite a thrill to watch a trout catch your fly midair. Amazing for the spectators too!!! I also use Mucilin wax to lightly waterproof the hackle fibres and the tail. Dapping Methods. Yes you definitely need the wind blowing from behind you over the water. Less than 9 or 10 mph doesn't really work that well, but above that is great! I start close to the bank with just a couple of feet of water depth. You never know what might be patrolling the margins. I move my rod point slowly from far left to far right and back again, all the while bobbing the rod tip to ensure the fly is lightly skipping over and touching the surface. I gradually extend further out as the wind pulls on the floss. My 20lb backing offers no resistance when being pulled through the rod eys. If there is a lull in the wind I just pull the backing back a few metres until the wind picks up again, and let the wind pull the floss again. DO BE AWARE OF OVERHEAD POWER LINES. In my view, DAPPING is the ultimate dry fly experience. Tight Lines all Bruce
Great comment and thanks for sharing your experience on the post it’s very much appreciated. It’s a great method and a very good exciting way to catch fish. Tight lines
Never heard of this until yesterday, when I got a book where it was mentioned. I admit I know very little about fishing, but this looks like a superb bush craft skill! Simple and lightweight gear, that can bring in some nice protein!
Cheers Andy, I never heard of Tenkara until I posted this video, everyday is a school day. Thanks for commenting mate, much appreciated and tight lines🎣👍
@@PiscatorUK-Fishing I've stopped fishing it Douglas, far too low. Unless we get significant rain the season is over there. All the local rivers are the same.
I thought I was the only person mucking about with dapping rods in the UK, I have a 7m Tubertini, with rings and a purpose made 20' 4 piece rod. You are going in the right direction, you need a boat and a lot more wind. I seldom use an imitation, during the daytime its colour that brings them up, palmers, snakes and occasionally mice, I tailor the size of fly to the wind strength. ATB from the East Midlands. PS, I have a100 slide talk on the subject.
Thanks Adrian, it’s a really interesting and exciting way to fish. I know this method is better suited to being on the water but I just wanted to show it can be done. I have been looking at the Tubertini poles which you can get fairly cheap. Thanks for commenting buddy it’s much appreciated👍
Superb Douglas definitely something I'll look into .looked a decent day as well a bit of wind a bit of heat and a bit of cloud fishing weather. As for rising fish it was the same when I was there little or no activity sedges and daddy's on the water did get them early in the day on dries but the sun came out .
Cheers Terry, I went in the afternoon, had a few straight away then went quite until sun started to dip. The water is certainly warming up with this weather, could do with a good bit rain up there.
I've been salmon fishing for the last 20 years but taking a break this year and going for the Trout (it's nice to actually catch something). I'm going to definitely try this with my 15ft Salmon fly rod :)
Thanks for commenting Ken, it’s definitely worth a try when you know the winds going to be good. I’ve had many people tell me they use telescopic rods. I have recently used my 10ft 4wt rod on the float tube for dapping with great success. Tight lines
Great stuff. Might have to dig out my old shimano pole from the shed and see if the lad fancies a go with it. No matter what, fly fishing is tricky especially for kids and tbh I try to avoid it a bit with the kids. I have a tenkara rod, but a light spinning rod or float with bait in the sea is more accessible in short doses. Great video and a great idea 👍
Thanks buddy, yeah the venue needs to be right for fly fishing with kids and if you can avoid wading the better. Good time of year for sea fishing with the float for mackerel. As much as my grandson loves using the pole and catching fish with it, he just wants to get casting a rod now. Tight lines buddy and thanks for commenting mate, very much appreciated👍🎣
That's a first for me, heard of dapping and whips just never saw it done like this with a dry fly for trout, your quite the man for the more unusual techniques. Had a couple of try's with the bombarda method with the sand eel flies for sea trout, once over on the East coast and twice over the West no luck so far though a nice sea trout of around 4ish lb jumped clean out the water a rod length in front of me on one occasion, got a bit excited but no joy, great method though.
Nice.... forgotten art. I had big furry salmon dapping fly, it lay in my box for years after inspection one day a flee crawled out, how long it was in there I dont know! So shallow I always I thought on the Roger M, another venue I missed out on. Cheers and ATB
Cheers mate, it’s not something I’ve seen in tackle shops and not many anglers talk about it. It was my grandfather who told me about it, he used it in Orkney for the big browns.
Why use a whip when you can use a lightweight fly rod casting a short line with similar results plus if a decent fish hits then you have more chance of landing it
Thanks for commenting. I wanted to show a technique that’s different, where casting is not required and when conditions are right is just as effective than any other fly fishing technique. I’ve caught double figure carp on this whip, believe me it’s more than capable of handling most Trout in the Uk
These Keiryu and heavier type fixed line rods are meant to stop sea run cherry salmon in a run and turn them basically what your reel does with a drag this rod can do with a power curve. This long curve allows it to absorb the shock of a big fish run, protect light tippet, and control the fish's head.
the majority of fish coming to the dap will come out the water and down on the fly trying to drown it striking too early is the common mistake in hooking the fish you have to pause the strike a moment to to allow the fish to come down on the fly
Hi there, thank you for sharing your dapping techniques.
I've been Dapping for trout on my local still water for the past two years with great success. So i was interested in watching your video and techniques.
From my own experience with four and five pound trout, I don't think that your coarse fish "elastic" system will stop a running fish after the "strike". The more likely result iwill be a broken tippet and escaping trout.
Regarding your "strike", my own experience is NOT to strike, at all. Frequently the first show of the fish is to "drown" that skipping fly, and the trout then turns around for a second attempt, and sometimes third to then take the fly. I have found it best to watch the activity and ,when the trout does actually take, then it's own weight, returning to the depths will force the hookup. My advice is DO NOT STRIKE AT ALL.
The Dapping rod. I use a seventeen foot telescopic dapping rod with eyes and a reel seat.
I use 13 feet of dapping floss with a small loop on each end. One end is attached to 20lb nylon backing of about eighty metres onto a wide arbour reel.
The business end is between four and six feet of 6lb tippet.
Flies. Well my own thoughts are that the trout doesn't have a lot of time to identify what insect is skipping around airbourne overhead or fluttering on the surface. I palmer tie my own bushy bottlebrush style flies , with deer hair tails and a wee bit of angel hair for added sparkle, in sizes 14 to 10 barbless. When a trout leaps two feet in the air and catches one of these midair, then I'm not worried about trying to match the hatch. I do tie some lighter coloured ones for the darker days, and darker ones for the brighter days, but then my 80 year old eyes are not quite as good as they used to be. It's quite a thrill to watch a trout catch your fly midair. Amazing for the spectators too!!! I also use Mucilin wax to lightly waterproof the hackle fibres and the tail.
Dapping Methods. Yes you definitely need the wind blowing from behind you over the water. Less than 9 or 10 mph doesn't really work that well, but above that is great! I start close to the bank with just a couple of feet of water depth. You never know what might be patrolling the margins. I move my rod point slowly from far left to far right and back again, all the while bobbing the rod tip to ensure the fly is lightly skipping over and touching the surface.
I gradually extend further out as the wind pulls on the floss. My 20lb backing offers no resistance when being pulled through the rod eys. If there is a lull in the wind I just pull the backing back a few metres until the wind picks up again, and let the wind pull the floss again.
DO BE AWARE OF OVERHEAD POWER LINES.
In my view, DAPPING is the ultimate dry fly experience.
Tight Lines all
Bruce
Great comment and thanks for sharing your experience on the post it’s very much appreciated. It’s a great method and a very good exciting way to catch fish. Tight lines
Tenkara + pole fishing + dapping effective method you have devised there mate good angler to share a method like that respect to you sir 👊 🎣🎣🎣
Thanks Dale, your comments are much appreciated buddy👍
Never heard of this until yesterday, when I got a book where it was mentioned. I admit I know very little about fishing, but this looks like a superb bush craft skill! Simple and lightweight gear, that can bring in some nice protein!
Thanks for taking the time to comment. Apart from this technique being very effective, it’s also a fun way to catch fish with very little experience🎣
Another Great watch Doug, brilliant film 🎣
Cheers buddy👍
Tenkara, kinda tried it before with my whip on the wee browny lochs, good fun. The floss stuffs a great idea . Another cracking vid.
Cheers Andy, I never heard of Tenkara until I posted this video, everyday is a school day. Thanks for commenting mate, much appreciated and tight lines🎣👍
Loved this, really interesting mix of the two styles and great for people like me who are pants at fly fishing 👏
Cheers buddy, it’s a great bit of kit to have with you for a bit of fun when the wind’s behind you on the bank.👍
Super video Douglas, interesting and original! Thank you. 😊😊
Thanks Fred, much appreciated buddy. I’m guessing your wee local river will be requiring some well needed rain about now?
@@PiscatorUK-Fishing I've stopped fishing it Douglas, far too low. Unless we get significant rain the season is over there. All the local rivers are the same.
Most interesting video of a technique I've never seen before. Lovely shots of the trout trying to take the fly. Well done. 👍
Cheers Phil, much appreciated mate👍
Fascinating, love the thinking behind this!
Thanks Gordon👍
I thought I was the only person mucking about with dapping rods in the UK, I have a 7m Tubertini, with rings and a purpose made 20' 4 piece rod. You are going in the right direction, you need a boat and a lot more wind. I seldom use an imitation, during the daytime its colour that brings them up, palmers, snakes and occasionally mice, I tailor the size of fly to the wind strength. ATB from the East Midlands. PS, I have a100 slide talk on the subject.
Thanks Adrian, it’s a really interesting and exciting way to fish. I know this method is better suited to being on the water but I just wanted to show it can be done. I have been looking at the Tubertini poles which you can get fairly cheap. Thanks for commenting buddy it’s much appreciated👍
Superb Douglas definitely something I'll look into .looked a decent day as well a bit of wind a bit of heat and a bit of cloud fishing weather. As for rising fish it was the same when I was there little or no activity sedges and daddy's on the water did get them early in the day on dries but the sun came out .
Cheers Terry, I went in the afternoon, had a few straight away then went quite until sun started to dip. The water is certainly warming up with this weather, could do with a good bit rain up there.
Superb 👏
Cheers James👍
I've been salmon fishing for the last 20 years but taking a break this year and going for the Trout (it's nice to actually catch something). I'm going to definitely try this with my 15ft Salmon fly rod :)
Thanks for commenting Ken, it’s definitely worth a try when you know the winds going to be good. I’ve had many people tell me they use telescopic rods. I have recently used my 10ft 4wt rod on the float tube for dapping with great success. Tight lines
Fantastic stuff 👍
Cheers Robert🙏🏻
Great stuff. Might have to dig out my old shimano pole from the shed and see if the lad fancies a go with it. No matter what, fly fishing is tricky especially for kids and tbh I try to avoid it a bit with the kids. I have a tenkara rod, but a light spinning rod or float with bait in the sea is more accessible in short doses. Great video and a great idea 👍
Thanks buddy, yeah the venue needs to be right for fly fishing with kids and if you can avoid wading the better. Good time of year for sea fishing with the float for mackerel. As much as my grandson loves using the pole and catching fish with it, he just wants to get casting a rod now. Tight lines buddy and thanks for commenting mate, very much appreciated👍🎣
That's a first for me, heard of dapping and whips just never saw it done like this with a dry fly for trout, your quite the man for the more unusual techniques. Had a couple of try's with the bombarda method with the sand eel flies for sea trout, once over on the East coast and twice over the West no luck so far though a nice sea trout of around 4ish lb jumped clean out the water a rod length in front of me on one occasion, got a bit excited but no joy, great method though.
Cheers mate, tight lines and thanks for commenting👍
Nice.... forgotten art.
I had big furry salmon dapping fly, it lay in my box for years after inspection
one day a flee crawled out, how long it was in there I dont know!
So shallow I always I thought on the Roger M, another venue I missed out on.
Cheers and ATB
Thanks for the great comments Berti, much appreciated mate🙏🏻
Great thinking, there’s no end to fishing where this could be used for sea trout or salmon.. in the right venue obviously
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it
You can pick up telescopic dapping fly rods for line 20 quid, its a very popular method on most lochs up the west coast esp loch lomond
Cheers mate, it’s not something I’ve seen in tackle shops and not many anglers talk about it. It was my grandfather who told me about it, he used it in Orkney for the big browns.
where in the highlands were you
Hi James, a few miles past Bridge of Orchy mate.
@@PiscatorUK-Fishing ok thanks im off to nairn in september then a brief stop in helensburgh
@@jamesg-or8rp tight lines James🎣💪🏻
@@PiscatorUK-Fishing thanks
So Tenkara with a long stick 😂😂
Why use a whip when you can use a lightweight fly rod casting a short line with similar results plus if a decent fish hits then you have more chance of landing it
Thanks for commenting. I wanted to show a technique that’s different, where casting is not required and when conditions are right is just as effective than any other fly fishing technique. I’ve caught double figure carp on this whip, believe me it’s more than capable of handling most Trout in the Uk
These Keiryu and heavier type fixed line rods are meant to stop sea run cherry salmon in a run and turn them basically what your reel does with a drag this rod can do with a power curve. This long curve allows it to absorb the shock of a big fish run, protect light tippet, and control the fish's head.
the majority of fish coming to the dap will come out the water and down on the fly trying to drown it striking too early is the common mistake in hooking the fish you have to pause the strike a moment to to allow the fish to come down on the fly
Cheers Gerry and thanks for commenting