EXCLUSIVE: Candid Conversation with Eric Volz about IHOPKC

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  • Опубліковано 3 лют 2024
  • Former IHOPKC spokesperson and crisis manager Eric Volz recently sat down for an exclusive interview to shed light on the unfolding story involving the Mike Bickle clergy abuse allegations and the future of IHOPKC. Witnessing the impact on individuals has been deeply distressing. We hold onto hope for a swift and positive resolution through Jesus.
    #IHOPKC #MikeBickle
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  • @abpgrace
    @abpgrace 4 місяці тому +45

    The advocate group has every right to request a truly independent 3rd party rather than a lawyer who boasts getting pastors and churches off the hook.

    • @ScottBall-qv6lf
      @ScottBall-qv6lf 3 місяці тому

      While the advocate group was spreading the narrative that IHOP shouldnt discuss with an attorney, the AG group was...wait for it...discussing with an attorney. And an attorney who specializes in shaking down churches for money.

  • @ExiledinAmerica
    @ExiledinAmerica 4 місяці тому +33

    Eric saying that 5 months before it came out public, he found out about it from someone connected to the Jane Doe and was kind of advising. then turn around and work for IHOPKC, wouldn't that be a confict of interest.

    • @docbarm3338
      @docbarm3338 4 місяці тому +6

      MAJOR CONFLICT! 💯 🎯

    • @scottatutube1
      @scottatutube1 4 місяці тому

      No

    • @jewella77
      @jewella77 4 місяці тому +5

      I can make room for it not being a conflict of interest when deciding whether to accept the position, considering he felt confident he understood the culture, had friends on both sides of the situation and wanted to utilize his experience and professional skills to bring the full truth to the light....?
      What stands out to me even more than that, is how can he disclose that information and timing, and yet have supported and defended the ELT in saying that they "had no idea the nature and extent of the allegations" when they allowed Mike Bickle to preach on the dark horse of false accusation, and in their purported date(s) when they "actually understood the seriousness of everything"?

    • @BigButtCheeksrapbattleleague
      @BigButtCheeksrapbattleleague 4 місяці тому +1

      Yes

    • @Eloign
      @Eloign 4 місяці тому

      He explains that right after he says it. It wasn't to cover for Mike it was to be helpful to the organization.

  • @Shakabaaba
    @Shakabaaba 3 місяці тому +3

    My hope is Bickel get taken to court. See if he can use the “spiritual warfare” as a defense

  • @sylviemorin597
    @sylviemorin597 4 місяці тому +16

    For IHOKC to go with a so-called independent third party that's not in agreement with the victims is a BIG mistake. It means they don't truly want the full truth. Something is being still hidden. When you care about the victims, you take their suggestions by choosing the correct independent third party they are comfortable with.

  • @denali9643
    @denali9643 4 місяці тому +37

    This is like a toxic divorce where mom and dad have lawyered-up and the traumatized kids are only hearing legalese, restraining orders, and custody negotiations. This will never be resolved until dad (Mike) publicly steps up to the mic and truthfully and fully confesses and repents. Until that happens, this is all wordsmithing.

    • @Eema_podcast
      @Eema_podcast 4 місяці тому +1

      Ok

    • @treasurehunter-deals9910
      @treasurehunter-deals9910 4 місяці тому +1

      He did.

    • @denali9643
      @denali9643 4 місяці тому +5

      @@treasurehunter-deals9910 If you are referring to his written statement - I stand by my claim.

    • @vedawattieram1974
      @vedawattieram1974 3 місяці тому

      Seems so!

    • @reborso4911
      @reborso4911 13 днів тому

      That won’t happen in this life, MB getting B4 a mic and fully confessing! Or only confessing right at the end of his life. (This is what the work’s tried by fire, I.E. the wood, hay and stubble or gold, silver and precious stones is for.) At least it will NOT HAPPEN WITHOUT A MIRACLE FROM HEAVEN! YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT ACTING CREDIBLY. MIKE B. SHOULD BE IN CUFFS AND PERP WALKED. This is not Biblical.

  • @WriteByLisa
    @WriteByLisa 4 місяці тому +31

    FACTS:
    Even if a younger person or spiritually immature person "seduces" a pastor/Christian leader, the
    leader
    is
    still
    responsible.
    Period. Full stop.
    At least 14 states have laws on the books about this.
    And here are other examples.
    A student tries to seduce a teacher.
    Someone at a drug scene tries to seduce a cop.
    A prisoner in jail tries to seduce a guard.
    Guess who loses their job. Guess who loses their license. Guess who is held responsible. (That's a rhetorical question.)

    • @KathrynMVR
      @KathrynMVR 4 місяці тому +3

      YES!!

    • @will_hargreaves
      @will_hargreaves 4 місяці тому

      Whilst it is certainly the case that the mature person is still very much in the wrong if the young person / student seduces them, it needs to be recognised that scenarios where the mature person has groomed or abused their power to instantiate a relationship with a young person / student is even more egregious. I understand the well-intentioned human reaction behind your response to EVs comment, but it's is important to ensure that moral differentials are also recognised in legal framework so that the state can additionally dis-incentivize grooming and abuse of power.

    • @JonathanGrandt
      @JonathanGrandt 4 місяці тому

      So…. A majority of states don’t have laws on this…. Was that your point?

    • @rachellantz9996
      @rachellantz9996 4 місяці тому +3

      @@JonathanGrandt I think her point was much bigger than this.
      If you’re using a state’s laws alone as your basis for modeling Godly leadership, that seems like a low level of morality. But if state legislation is holding secular leaders to this standard, it would seem to make a point that the Christian world should care so much more and not make excuses for the leaders in their communities who abuse power 🤷‍♀

    • @aidanthompson6589
      @aidanthompson6589 4 місяці тому +2

      Absolutely!!!!

  • @JeremyandAlly
    @JeremyandAlly 4 місяці тому +7

    Eric did a good job of guilt washing and Tyler did an awesome job of feeding him lines! Great interview!

  • @22Rom129
    @22Rom129 4 місяці тому +33

    Considering the massive turnout of drama & hurt from former participants I would say that clearly IHOPKC is not a safe place for our family & children.

    • @Eema_podcast
      @Eema_podcast 4 місяці тому +3

      No one is forcing anyone to be there…

    • @22Rom129
      @22Rom129 4 місяці тому +2

      @@Eema_podcast manipulating & forcing are two different things but similar. However, I very much respect your zeal to honor our Lord with your laboring. Blessings

  • @marieketwomey4019
    @marieketwomey4019 4 місяці тому +3

    Excellent!! Thank you!

  • @user-ph6el3lw2u
    @user-ph6el3lw2u 3 місяці тому +2

    So evil and unethical that Eric covered up his vested interest in IHOP music. Eric is and has been listed as a main investor in IHOP music for a long time. Volz is not his real name. It turns out it was always all about the money. I fear for Eric's soul. Let's pray for him 🙏

  • @michaelguidera1876
    @michaelguidera1876 4 місяці тому +17

    IHOPKC lawyered up after the leadership refused to act on allegations of sexual abuse. The victims rightfully views that act as a threat, because the advantage immediately shifts to those who have money to pay for lawyers. Any one who has been involved with our "justice" system soon realizes that the system can easily break your bank, and the process can be delayed until your bank is broke, at which time settlement occurs because there is no more money to take. The victims also understand that the accused parties can counter sue, thus putting you at risk again to prolong the process, which costs more money. It was a mistake to hire a lawyer to investigate. The victims were correct in refusing to agree with this investigation. Mike Bickle showed his true colors by not being transparent and honest to reveal the truth. Add the fumbling and cover up by the ELT, you now have reason to have zero trust in the leadership of IHOPKC to objectively find the truth and treat the victims with respect.

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому

      thank you

    • @JonathanGrandt
      @JonathanGrandt 4 місяці тому

      IHOPKC lawyered up when it was insinuated that one or more of the allegations was criminal in nature.

    • @michaelguidera1876
      @michaelguidera1876 4 місяці тому

      @@JonathanGrandt This was many months after the ELT knew about the allegations. They were given the opportunity to deal with this behind closed doors and they squandered it with incompetency. The leadership should have seen the potential time bomb and acted accordingly. But they never understood how to deal with true sexual victims. They were too concerned about the optics to those outside the leadership. Big mistake, and now they are reaping what they sowed.

    • @michaelguidera1876
      @michaelguidera1876 4 місяці тому +3

      @@JonathanGrandt And after the victims went to the leadership who did nothing over and over again.

  • @JonHorsman
    @JonHorsman 4 місяці тому +28

    He says several times that there was no evidence early on. Isn’t someone’s firsthand account considered evidence?

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому +1

      yes. a person's testimony is evidence (ie telling what happened to you)

    • @Winter78ful
      @Winter78ful 4 місяці тому +3

      @@mimicaban9551so how come people were saying Misty Edwards was suffering from Stockholm syndrome when she gave her testimony?

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому

      i can't speak to the motives of other people. she's been with ihopkc since was 18????? so she could be protective of mike and the ministry? plus her family gets financially compensated according to public records i saw. HOWEVER it is very odd that she made a public statement about herself not being a victim. even if she was on a list, the public would never have known if she hadn't outed herself that way. @@Winter78ful

    • @JonathanGrandt
      @JonathanGrandt 4 місяці тому +3

      A testimony is only considered evidence when submitted under oath. I think some people are still waiting for sworn affidavits.

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому

      i replied yesterday but it disappeared. no one i know said she had stockholm syndrome so i can't speak to that. BUT she has been connected to MB and IHOPKC for many years and she and many members of her family make connected to these enterprises SO she could be biased. @@Winter78ful

  • @kellypowell2581
    @kellypowell2581 4 місяці тому +3

    We need to have physical proof that someone was sexually assaulted? What would that entail? I thought the Bible says with two or three witnesses let every word be established. That's all the Jewish people did it. If you have two to three credible witnesses all saying the same thing then that's the truth. Obviously we can also pray to make sure these three people aren't conspiring against a church leader😢
    We should use biblical principles to help guide our way through troubles like this. Personally if someone claims to be a man of God and does something this bad I don't think they should ever be back in leadership. That's my personal position because God's flock of precious sheep are too valuable to possibly let that happen again. I recently found out how these American churches work where they have a so-called pastor over another pastor when really Jesus is the head of the church and we should all be following Jesus and confessing our sins to him not other leadership. If these churches worked the way the Bible says things should go where there is not just a pastor but a pastor and a prophet and a teacher etc you would have close people around you to discern any wickedness in the camp. This is how Jesus said it should roll

  • @docbarm3338
    @docbarm3338 4 місяці тому +2

    2 more women came forward AFTER this was published.
    Go figure.
    Now he looks more foolish.

  • @tonisandford
    @tonisandford 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you

  • @leajennings6892
    @leajennings6892 2 місяці тому +1

    In my experience of abuse, it’s not usually done in front of 2-3 witnesses. That’s a joke! The fact that these women weren’t counseled to file a report to the police & that IHOPKC was trying to deal with it in house is disgusting & disturbing. I’m saddened that pastor team hides behind the gospel and Matthew 18. They all need a good job shadowing with someone who deals with abuse cases regularly, to get a clue! How about doing a pastoral job of compassion, empathy, understanding, asking questions and offering support….or just plain knowing when something beyond your scope of knowledge.
    I’m so confused why Eric Volz was involved?? So confusing. It should be victims, org & 3rd party investigators. So convoluted & messy.

  • @samueljcottle4412
    @samueljcottle4412 4 місяці тому +1

    This is really good! Thank you Eric!

  • @joshhouser9417
    @joshhouser9417 4 місяці тому

    This was a great interview. Eric is an inspiring guy and I love hearing his perspective on this. Eric- praying for blessing and rest for you. Great job walking through this and I know the Lord is proud of you.

  • @imthelords7892
    @imthelords7892 2 місяці тому

    After meeting with Mike on various occasions, makes you wonder could he not discern something was off with Mike and that these woman were actually victims.

  • @scottatutube1
    @scottatutube1 4 місяці тому +4

    Eric came into a difficult situation. Bless him for trying to help.
    What’s still needed is a 3rd party investigation that all parties participate in. The community needs all voices heard, and testimony cross checked so we can know the Truth; nothing concealed, and nothing embellished.

  • @lifesabeachaustralia4378
    @lifesabeachaustralia4378 3 місяці тому +1

    International House of Predators

  • @jeffscottkennedy
    @jeffscottkennedy 3 місяці тому +1

    Listening to this left me nauseous. ELT members quit because, by their own testimony, Bickle had isolated himself and refused ti acknowledge any wrongdoing.

  • @lovefromiligancity
    @lovefromiligancity 4 місяці тому +2

    Humble yourself before the mighty hand of the Lord, and He will lift you up. LISTEN TO THE PROPHECY GIVEN BY GOD THRU JEREMIAH JOHNSON. You cant go against the plan of the Lord. The authority of ur boss Mike has been stripped from Him. May the fear of the Lord rise in your heart.

  • @erinthompsonkieselburg708
    @erinthompsonkieselburg708 4 місяці тому +2

    This is very disturbing.

  • @AmericanDreamAlbum
    @AmericanDreamAlbum 4 місяці тому +7

    “No one can deny that a lot of people have felt hurt by IHOPKC” -Eric Volz 18:46

  • @everettanddeltastorm3758
    @everettanddeltastorm3758 4 місяці тому +1

    35.02”victims have a right to agree with who 3rd party is (slightly paraphrased) THATS A MADE UP PROCESS... What?!? Evidently Victims must agree to allow perpetrators to handle claims as perpetrators see fit. Period. Hope the money was good Eric!

  • @KMT65
    @KMT65 18 днів тому

    From everything that has come out, it sounds like the 'worship' team was messed up and sick as well. Misty Edwards has her issues just like Bickle.

  • @joycecollins7148
    @joycecollins7148 4 місяці тому +3

    My question is is this all 25 or 26 years ago he repented of this. Is this going on now you're not making it clear . The Lord's heart is reconciliation

  • @Godsgirl77777
    @Godsgirl77777 2 місяці тому

    Eric Volz I the worst thing that's happened to IHOPKC. He has atracked victims and done nothing to help. He took the pay check though

  • @lauriekline2920
    @lauriekline2920 Місяць тому

    Many good points about financial abuse. Where theres so much sexual perversion theres probably a lot of financial things. Maybe if they can't send him to jail for being a pediphile, maybe mishandling money. I pray he repents for real, gets restored but not to ministry.. God have mercy on us all. This eric guy is just ridiculous and doesn't give a crap for any of victims 🙄 or people who have been devastated 🙄

  • @JonathanGrandt
    @JonathanGrandt 4 місяці тому +1

    That’s a nice table.

  • @BeholdingStudios
    @BeholdingStudios 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you guys 🙏🏼

  • @Carolfoasia
    @Carolfoasia 3 місяці тому

    I cannot tell you how disturbing this interview is.

  • @mombythesea2426
    @mombythesea2426 4 місяці тому +2

    "Im sorry you felt like I did something wrong"
    That's how IHOP is presenting their case

    • @albertlopez2237
      @albertlopez2237 3 місяці тому

      When Eric said mike has his own lawyer , I hopkc had there's and the Jane does had there own. Out of his own words "every one is lawyer ed up" assuring this is just to find out the turth and nothing to be alarmed. No the advocate lawyer is to make mike pay for everything the way the lawyer sees fit and Mike's lawyer is there to get mike least punishment possible if not walk away scott free and to make sure the advocate lawyer is not taking advantage of the situation. I hope lawyer is to make sure it what ever mike fault is mike fault and they are clear of everything. And the advocate Lawyer is trying to find a link to see if ihopkc has any responsibility in it.

  • @reneegale9856
    @reneegale9856 4 місяці тому +1

    God doesn’t want the prayer to be coming all from one place! All the saints need to be praying without ceasing!! How prideful to think that 1/2 the prayer from the US is coming from IHOP! My goodness gracious! All the saints have the Spirit of the Living God inside of them. Jesus didn’t say to pray like this!

    • @docbarm3338
      @docbarm3338 4 місяці тому

      SPOT ON 💯 TRUTH 🎯

    • @valor101arise
      @valor101arise 4 місяці тому

      But is it wrong to have a devoted space for people to come talk to God and Worship with others??? That's really all the bldg on Red Bridge is.... a provided space

  • @mimicaban9551
    @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому +14

    wow. i was willing to put on my unbiased hat and listen to this as neutrally as I could HOWEVER he has misrepresented so many details and in my opinion, lied about how things happened (ex: that 50 page document that he describes as being prevented to the ELT? it was given to ONE PERSON SG, in person, in confidence. It was an unfinished working document not meant for anyone else's eyes. According to the Advocates videos from their own mouths, that 50 page document was never supposed to be passed on to anyone else. That's just one misrepresentation of the facts) The discussion about which 3rd parties IHOPKC hired? BS. In this era of trauma and abuse allegations, a church CANNOT objectively investigate itself. By continuing to hire defense attorneys, the IHOPKC leadership lost whatever trust and credibiilty they had. Hearing Eric Volz's tone of voice with contempt toward Jane Doe et al BIZARRE that a CSA survivor wants privacy??? saying that proves that you are clueless when it comes to things like this. If you do not knpw the legalities of why it would not be wise for advocates or survivors shows that he did not do even 15 inutes of research into these topics. IHOPKC SHOULD be investigated for possible financial misconduct as well. imo The REASON IHOPKC refused a full transparent investigation might be because there is much to hide. Anyone with a computer and tiny bit of smarts can turn up some suspicious details. Wow. wow wow. "Some bomb threats"???? I heard of one AND the worship team stayed there playing through it all...

  • @servantofmessiah1071
    @servantofmessiah1071 4 місяці тому +27

    EV was a "hitman" for IHOPKC and tried to foist a lie onto the Advocate Group: said that if the Advocate Group would not submit to IHOPKC's "independent investigator" (which was not independent by any means), that it was "on them". Bully tactics.
    EV persisted throughout his time there by repeating the lie "independent investigator" as often as he could, to sow into the minds of his audience the notion that IHOPKC's legal team (the so-called "independent investigator") could be fully trusted.
    These, friends, are bully tactics.

    • @BigButtCheeksrapbattleleague
      @BigButtCheeksrapbattleleague 4 місяці тому +4

      Accurate

    • @Eema_podcast
      @Eema_podcast 4 місяці тому +1

      Sucks that you don’t have the mic 😂

    • @docbarm3338
      @docbarm3338 4 місяці тому +1

      💯 🎯

    • @scottatutube1
      @scottatutube1 4 місяці тому

      What about the fact the AG insisted on using Grace Group whose founder was retained as an attorney by Jane Doe? That is not a neutral 3rd party…

  • @ladystatesman2249
    @ladystatesman2249 4 місяці тому +2

    Ty! Ty! 🥰🌟🙏🏻

  • @everettanddeltastorm3758
    @everettanddeltastorm3758 4 місяці тому +1

    So many things... but here’s one: 24.05 “cancel culture”. Good grief

  • @lilygraceamazing
    @lilygraceamazing 4 місяці тому +4

    Excellent 💎

  • @KristiLEvans1
    @KristiLEvans1 4 місяці тому +6

    Bickle owns Grandview. His physical presence is immaterial.

    • @laurie9993
      @laurie9993 4 місяці тому

      All of Grandview, what do you mean?

    • @KristiLEvans1
      @KristiLEvans1 4 місяці тому

      @@laurie9993 I mean that through his wife’s IHOPKC-affiliated real estate firm, they have a ton of landholdings in Grandview. Where do you think $20M/yr went? Real estate is an excellent way to store wealth. Go look at landhold records for the family.

    • @KristiLEvans1
      @KristiLEvans1 4 місяці тому +1

      @@laurie9993 Bickle is still calling the shots, I’m sure. IHOPKC was about him and built on him. It’s not possible for them to exist without him.

    • @laurie9993
      @laurie9993 4 місяці тому +1

      @@KristiLEvans1 Sure, ok. Just saying lots of good people live there I talk to that dont attend ihop 💝. Maybe I'm wrong but I think MB is deeply wounded by the magnitude of media public shaming. Yes, he did some dumb things! Somehow, I see a lot of men that would sneak a little like this:. I might ask how many ministers leaders for 40 years who have not yet been caught!!

    • @KristiLEvans1
      @KristiLEvans1 4 місяці тому +2

      @@laurie9993 many. But that has nothing to do with Bickle. We know at least 20 women have first-hand experiences with Bickle. That’s not a man having an affair, that’s a serial predator.

  • @JimIsHereAZ
    @JimIsHereAZ 4 місяці тому +5

    What is the end game? Mike Bickle in jail, IHOPKC closure, victims getting money etc.? Some of you won't be happy until there is complete destruction.

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому +3

      care for the victims; care for those people impacted by this; a full investigation into ihopkc culture; sweeping changes to protect people

    • @newhavenchristianministrie6721
      @newhavenchristianministrie6721 4 місяці тому +3

      The entire ministry is based on a heretical teaching called the bridal paradigm. It is an un biblical perspective that the apostles did not teach. Neither did the early church teach. It is a belief that every individual believer in the church is the bride of Christ. It has led to a romanticization, of the relationship of Jesus to believers. It has led to sensual lyrics and sensual music and even sensual breathy praying in the prayer room. I remember Art Katz saying that some of these worship leaders and prophetic intercessors pray and talk as if they want to go to bed with Jesus. Quite gross. I also remember being in the prayer room myself and hearing some of the women say things like ‘oh Jesus’ in a long and drawn out breathy overtone. It would always make my skin crawl.

    • @robbinarnold2296
      @robbinarnold2296 4 місяці тому +1

      God ain’t happy ..with leaders abusing their authority ..

    • @robbinarnold2296
      @robbinarnold2296 4 місяці тому +1

      His body language is very telling .. what a flippin con artist!!

  • @stormypuurl
    @stormypuurl 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you Eric.

  • @docbarm3338
    @docbarm3338 4 місяці тому +13

    What mud to add to the mess!
    Right out of the gate:
    Bickle is a victim.
    IHOPkc is a victim.
    Came outa no where.
    Trust me, I know them.
    This doesn’t bring any clarity or answers. Volz “part” in all this doesn’t make any sense.

  • @kathiewalters
    @kathiewalters 4 місяці тому +3

    So you only heard one side before you came

  • @leviuzodike9061
    @leviuzodike9061 3 місяці тому

    If what seem like dear friends, Francis Chan and Sam Storms, have told you they're TRAVELING to come visit, you should plan to finish by the time they arrive. Or maybe just ask them to wait for 10 minutes while you bookmark where you are and continue when they're done. Or maybe show some more remorse and at least say you can meet the next day. Forget PR, this is middle school level friendship knowledge.

  • @SusanVanBogelen
    @SusanVanBogelen 4 місяці тому +4

    VERY disappointed with the honesty and transparency of actual events

  • @denalowry8710
    @denalowry8710 4 місяці тому +11

    Such gloating and glossing over serious CSA and toxic organizational culture coverup. Sad

  • @Pollard_jono
    @Pollard_jono 4 місяці тому +18

    :49 no one is taking this as a casual conversation. 1:30 5 months before the allegations were public, you knew. How did the ihop elt not know?
    4:14 being apart of the community for 7 years, how could you be non bias? You had seniors leaders in your home before hand.
    7:25 the meetings with mike, what did you know about in terms of what was being alleged at this point? How was mike not aware when Allen, Dwayne, a husband, and so on had reached out? That dose not fit.
    9:02 in October you knew date rape was on the table but did not allow staff to know how serious the situation was..
    12:34 ihop “does not cover things up” but we’re aware of rape possibly.. said nothing.
    15:20 “ihop understated & shared” is this not the same as miss leading and covering up?
    17:15 when asking about people pain, you responded with that it’s warfare..
    19:46 failure to understand the culture of ihop buy not realizing it is all build in the prophetic history.
    22:33 discounted all of the first hand experiences of interactions with mike
    23:21 Sliker and Greaves were not victims of pressure. They were very much part of the issue and history of spiritual abuse.
    25:35 3 third parties is easy, ihop kept selection people who no victims agreed to..
    26:24 with a history of abuse with Bob Jones, Paul Cain, Bob Harley, then spiritually with dozens and even having a death of a student.. the instant anger and demand for a third party was years of spill over.. this is easy. Also we have learned from history organizations cannot investigate themselves.
    28:53 you blame social media for the lack of trust, when it was really just everyone telling ihop no, and they did not wanna hear that. So they called social media position..
    30:03 “wisely used Audrey Manito, who was part of ihop.. again cannot self investigate. She was Bffs with the Slikers, who no one had trust in.
    31:57 the names that were given were not given to you, they were given in private. Dwayne to Greaves, and Greaves made it the end all be all, when it was a working document.
    32:21 the document leaking from Greaves caused them to feel attacked. Their names were for him to check in on. Not all to know.
    33:54 you continue to attack to advocate group with taking no responsibility for careless actions, leaking documents, mikes family still on platform. Ihop staff using the dark horse prophecy.
    35:30 Jane doe does not have to trust a corporate lawyer
    36:53 discounting someone’s wish for privacy.. this is not a bizarre wish as you called it.
    38: people who know law have the right to warn people of corporate bs and danger (Boz) “maybe he was just being a lawyer”..
    39:00 Spiritual warfare talk is absolutely nonsense. Should not be allowed at all.
    41:00 abuse not demons caused lack of trust
    43:00 assumption as gossip about a law firms protection of women. “They searched for things that increase the likelihood of abuse being exposed and that’s not good.. “
    45:00 it’s not we think the report is incomplete, we know it is.
    50:47 trauma is a unfair card played against ihop…
    52:35 he’s misinterpreted, it’s easy for people to be wrongly accused, people dug for anything to wrongfully accuse him. Everything that happened was 20 years ago. He just engaged in misconduct.”

    • @Eema_podcast
      @Eema_podcast 4 місяці тому +1

      You seem to have put in so much time into this comment and yet no one gives a 💩

    • @Pollard_jono
      @Pollard_jono 4 місяці тому +4

      @@Eema_podcast glad you read it, so maybe a hint of the truth may have seeped into your head

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому

      many people give a shite@@Eema_podcast

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому +4

      yes yes and yes. the tone of contempt in his voice says so much about his true thoughts about victims and truth tellers without words. false allegations happen 2-8% of the time ccording to research. NOT common. i would love an expert in body language and voice to analyze this

    • @Chloe-pi6gw
      @Chloe-pi6gw 4 місяці тому +3

      ⁠@@mimicaban9551I’ve always thought that EV had a tone of disgust and general distrust/disbelief towards the victims. I don’t trust EV at all and his attitude towards the victims has always seemed to border on contempt

  • @valor101arise
    @valor101arise 4 місяці тому

    27:00 the advocate group refused to provide details bc they felt betrayed by the leaking of an unfinished doc that was private

  • @rhntx
    @rhntx 4 місяці тому

    No we don’t know

  • @danielscountry9884
    @danielscountry9884 4 місяці тому

    Thanks for doing this interview. Very helpful.

  • @clarkent61
    @clarkent61 4 місяці тому +1

    How many pieces of silver were you paid and did you sell your soul for Erick?

  • @WriteByLisa
    @WriteByLisa 4 місяці тому +4

    Wow. He used the "r" word.
    Also. "There's a lot of warfare surrounding IHOP."
    Well, actually, it's called being held accountable for your (and Mike's) behavior.

  • @samueljcottle4412
    @samueljcottle4412 4 місяці тому +1

    If there is money involved isn’t it extortion?

  • @mimicaban9551
    @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому +21

    does anyone else think it is very odd that he would give such an in depth interview so quickly after ending his official relationship with ihopkc? no time to recover, heal, reflect? it's just very strange. and any time someone says "to be honest" i think: weren't they being honest all the other times????? maybe that's just me?

    • @romans116and17
      @romans116and17 4 місяці тому +4

      He was obligated not to speak his mind for several months while everyone and their grandmother voiced their opinions while having no clue what was true. ERIC on the other hand, had first hand information and he finally had the freedom to speak freely. Glad he did.

    • @leenieledejo6849
      @leenieledejo6849 4 місяці тому +1

      Someone who can't wait to do a sit-down interview on UA-cam with close ups (rather than a podcast) and to do it immediately...says a lot.
      I hope people can work it out 🚩🚩🚩

    • @docbarm3338
      @docbarm3338 4 місяці тому

      2 more women came forward AFTER this was published.
      Go figure.
      Now he looks more foolish.

  • @reneegale9856
    @reneegale9856 4 місяці тому +3

    “ the divine force field that ihop had had for years was pierced”.
    Or…
    IHOP has been under a dark manipulative spell and it’s actually Jesus breaking the spell. The truth is piercing the darkness and the darkness is reacting and attacking and confusing those inside of it.
    It’s a GOOD thing for this force field to be broken with the truth. The truth. Praise God the spell has been lifted!!

  • @richardhites299
    @richardhites299 4 місяці тому

    Hi cat. Richard is amy. On my phone. Xo

  • @SadieandStealth
    @SadieandStealth 4 місяці тому +12

    Eric Volz is completely tone deaf when dealing with a third party organization. He simply does not understand that the Advocate Group was never obligated to give information to IHOP lawyers! There were likely crimes committed at IHOPKC!

  • @Matthew-eu4ps
    @Matthew-eu4ps 4 місяці тому

    It's good to hear the other side of the story, but the investigation report that was released reads more like a defense of Bickle and IHOPKC than an attempt to discover the truth. If the investigator wasn't able to do this due to lack of access, I think this should have been stated and should have been the primary conclusion of the report. As it is I don't really blame the advocacy group for not wanting to go forward with this investigator.

  • @1016Patti
    @1016Patti 4 місяці тому +8

    Does Mike have one way deadbolt locks on his office doors?

    • @denalowry8710
      @denalowry8710 4 місяці тому

      Supposedly there was photos of MB office with one way windows and strange doors and bolts

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому +4

      yes. i saw the video. Brother John Elving has it in one of his youtubes

  • @erniewalt1
    @erniewalt1 4 місяці тому +8

    Volz the weasel fled! Now, he is doing PR to repair his own image - inconceivable.

  • @noriramirez8981
    @noriramirez8981 4 місяці тому +3

    Thank you Eric. I really appreciate all you had to say. Thank you for being brave enough to share 😊

  • @tinaandfam4751
    @tinaandfam4751 4 місяці тому +1

    What is IHOPKC?

    • @22Rom129
      @22Rom129 4 місяці тому

      You might be thinking International House of Pancakes crossed with Kentucky-fried Chicken. Unfortunately that is not what it stands for. If it stood for that then I would be 100% supportive. Blessings to you.

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому

      international house of prayer kansas city MO 24/7 worship and prayer happening for years. mike bickle founder

    • @Tendervittle
      @Tendervittle 4 місяці тому +1

      Prophetic/profit ministry 🤢🤮

  • @i2sky532
    @i2sky532 4 місяці тому

    I do believe Boz is creating a business from "advocacy."

  • @marshahesch9073
    @marshahesch9073 4 місяці тому

    Leader leaving in that when they knew mishandling took place was cowardly. Erik actions also cowardly. It easy to leave when what you stood by and defended is now showing it was in fact mishandled. Erik should humble himself and acknowledge hia own missteps. Acknowledge the clear victim's
    The crisis is JUST beginning. The crisis wasnt just the allegations. Allegations was the start of victims stopping this cycle of continuum of abuse.
    Absolutely NOT ok how any of this was handled by leaders or Eric.
    Eric you took advantage of a situation to try to build your name but it backfired and now you want to dust your hands and say my part is done.
    Shameful.
    You answer before the Lord for the sisters in the Lord for the lack of appropriate handling. The truth cant be stopped its still coming out.
    Its better to just cloae doors and offer resourncee to thoee in need of the proper healing center. The fact IHOPKC leaders dont want the investigation to invlovle anything other than Mike Bickle is telling. Why not let the investigation happen. What are you trying to hide and keep in the dark. If there's nothing to hide why keep the investigation restricted and limited.

  • @gregorycalvello3663
    @gregorycalvello3663 4 місяці тому +2

    Thanks Eric for shedding light, bless you brother. May the Lord who is faithful and true heal all parties involved. ❤❤

  • @sheacoaching
    @sheacoaching 4 місяці тому

    I’m sorry, you cannot statistically say how much prayer comes from where. Do you mean public prayer? Because y’all don’t have any kind of numbers for how many hours I spend in prayer in my house. The Bible specifically says that we need to learn how to pray in a closet in our house. Praying privately, if something that Jesus himself valued. That is my only negative comment so far in regards to this video. I’m thankful to hear your side of the story! And actually get to know you as a person. It sounds like you were put in a very impossible position and did the best that you could with the situation.
    Thank you!
    As someone who is willing to die for Jesus. I am encouraged that there are others out there who will stand for righteousness. However, I think that there are many many stories of pain and abuse that have happened over the course of IHOPKC.

  • @mimicaban9551
    @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому +9

    so so sorry you have suffered so much EV. Consider what the survivors, Diane Bickle and those that looked up to MB are going through. The advocates included. wow. so so so insensitive.

  • @themamachar
    @themamachar 4 місяці тому

    Who is the Jane Doe. Who is it. They say everyone there knows. Somebody surely knows.

  • @valor101arise
    @valor101arise 4 місяці тому

    Hmmmm from manys perspective Gen Fullers recent statement was VERY damaging.... not quite sure i agree with Erics perspective. However, if i was him, i would probably agree

  • @Ryahan
    @Ryahan 4 місяці тому +2

    Sorry that you’ll see the exact same kind of accusations coming as comments on this video which Volz speaks of 😢. Been hard to watch happen in every social media venue where anyone says anything that’s not in line with a certain narrative.
    So, thanks for the content, here, despite the obvious incoming pushback. Gotta be bold to make progress, always, in Jesus’s Name.

    • @cristilynexposito
      @cristilynexposito 4 місяці тому

      Hmmm if most of your Christian brothers and sisters see it a certain way maybe it’s cause a certain narrative is the right and just thing to do/not do…?

    • @Ryahan
      @Ryahan 4 місяці тому

      @@cristilynexposito you are just the VERY vocal minority. So it seems to be as you said

  • @john4226
    @john4226 4 місяці тому +1

    Nothing candid here. A PR stunt to say the least.

  • @robbinarnold2296
    @robbinarnold2296 4 місяці тому

    Former I hoppers ??? There social media is what you couldn’t control !!

  • @WriteByLisa
    @WriteByLisa 4 місяці тому +11

    Gee.
    I guess calling you an "unknown PR guy" was about as hurtful as you calling all those people who poured their heart and soul into IHOPKC "armchair investigators."
    SMH.

  • @fayemccluskey5400
    @fayemccluskey5400 4 місяці тому +5

    Thanks Eric. Very clear. And thanks for taking the arrows. I believe that God is giving the Bride a new direction to sustain holiness in ministry. It will affect a lot of policy for good. 🙏🏼 Rest.

  • @robbinarnold2296
    @robbinarnold2296 4 місяці тому +1

    This ain’t over buddy!! The damn is going to bust and you won’t be able to control it !!

  • @melissamendes9295
    @melissamendes9295 4 місяці тому +8

    His arrogance is heartbreaking.

    • @kel8150
      @kel8150 4 місяці тому +2

      I appreciate your viewpoint, but I perceive Eric differently. From my standpoint, he comes across as sincere. Hired by IHOPKC under chaotic circumstances, he managed the situation admirably. Personally, I wouldn't have envied being in his position.

    • @Metalman7591
      @Metalman7591 4 місяці тому

      We can’t judge Eric Lineiro’s heart.

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому

      sincere?? do you know the facts of this situation? EV misrepresented many details in this interview. it's his profession. i'm sure he got paid accordingly. @@kel8150

  • @GospelTruthMedia
    @GospelTruthMedia 4 місяці тому +3

    This interview is more of the same--utter propaganda and HOGWASH!

  • @playwrightwoman86
    @playwrightwoman86 4 місяці тому

    Boy oh boy this aged like milk left out in the sun didn't it?

  • @Shakabaaba
    @Shakabaaba 3 місяці тому

    So basically you were in over your head? Friend of Bickel

  • @joiepirkey
    @joiepirkey 4 місяці тому

    you let the Lord fight your battles? This is an act of the Lord to lift the skirt and show the sin. I rebuke you.

  • @Mike-do8bc
    @Mike-do8bc 4 місяці тому +2

    This interview wasn't helpful for you Eric. Just calls into question your integrity. Nuff said....

  • @Mike-do8bc
    @Mike-do8bc 4 місяці тому

    This is and should be the end of IHOPKC. i feel bad for all those "prayer houses" throughout the country and world who had no connection with these wolves.

  • @leanncottle8785
    @leanncottle8785 4 місяці тому +2

    Great interview! Upfront, honest informative without the slander! Thank you!

    • @CYN_CastYourNets
      @CYN_CastYourNets 4 місяці тому

      Its not honest!

    • @leanncottle8785
      @leanncottle8785 4 місяці тому

      @@CYN_CastYourNets
      Are you part of the Mike Bickel investigative team? Or were you personally involved in one of the situations he is being accused of?

  • @johnnilan8240
    @johnnilan8240 4 місяці тому +1

    So Eric, you used up the retainer. Mission accomplished. Yep that is the way we lawyers do it. Send your termination letter yet?

  • @ScottBall-qv6lf
    @ScottBall-qv6lf 4 місяці тому +1

    Great interview. I've been saying from the beginning (and not excusing Mike's errors or taking away from anyone's trama) the advocate group has a lot of explaining to do.

  • @malachiobrien
    @malachiobrien 4 місяці тому +8

    Great questions and responses. Thank you for this interview.

  • @plerickson
    @plerickson 4 місяці тому +40

    Same old Eric Volz propaganda and misstatements. Characterizations made of the so-called Advocate Group are COMPLETELY wrong.

    • @servantofmessiah1071
      @servantofmessiah1071 4 місяці тому

      Correct. EV operates in deception. Let the audience be aware. This man is absolutely not to be trusted.

    • @BigButtCheeksrapbattleleague
      @BigButtCheeksrapbattleleague 4 місяці тому +10

      He’s just here to cover up and receive a paycheck

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому +2

      but said so very sweetly...

    • @Eema_podcast
      @Eema_podcast 4 місяці тому +1

      OMG! You obviously know better!

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому

      have you watched the advocates videos? do you know their names?
      @@Eema_podcast

  • @arinapak4824
    @arinapak4824 4 місяці тому +2

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH ERIC FOR YOUR WORK OF LOVE IN IHOP 👏👏👏🙏🙏🙏
    WE TRUST YOU, YOU ARE SOOOOOOOO WISE AND ANOINTED TO INVESTIGATE THIS, THANK YOU, WE HONOR YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID FOR IHOPKC, MAY GOD BLESS YOU RICHLY 🙏🙏🙏🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @cristilynexposito
    @cristilynexposito 4 місяці тому +12

    I couldn’t keep watching 🤮🤮… no evidence? Nice documentary btw

    • @docbarm3338
      @docbarm3338 4 місяці тому +1

      🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

  • @themamachar
    @themamachar 4 місяці тому

    This is terrifying for the people who are against the prayer movement. These folks are literally against God! They have NO fear of the Lord. Very unwise.

  • @laurie9993
    @laurie9993 4 місяці тому

    Seems candid and honest about internal issues and need for reform! 17:00--19:00

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому

      not much honesty in this. see my fact based comments

    • @laurie9993
      @laurie9993 4 місяці тому

      @@mimicaban9551 Where?

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому

      i made several comments throughout this thread. Jono Hall makes some excellent points too@@laurie9993

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому

      throughout this thread. pollard jono makes some excellent points too@@laurie9993

    • @mimicaban9551
      @mimicaban9551 4 місяці тому

      throughout this thread@@laurie9993

  • @22Rom129
    @22Rom129 4 місяці тому +2

    Eric, I regret making fun of your blue shirt. Honestly, I bought 5 shirts from JC Penny that were similar (but had a buttonn down collar) & wore them to the office everyday for a couple years until they wore out. You & me are not so different after all. I still have one of them. I can send you a picture if you want. Blessings bllue shirt brother.

  • @AmericanDreamAlbum
    @AmericanDreamAlbum 4 місяці тому +4

    Seems like in most areas of life Volz would be a nice guy. In the case of this IHOP connection it seems he may have become a victim of a paycheck messing up his discernment. Hope he moves on to do great things. This particular situation IHOP Leadership failed so many, and Mike lost our respect.

  • @lindag9975
    @lindag9975 4 місяці тому +4

    He did as well as anyone could as the PR guy for a very troubled organization.

  • @TheEllsworth8
    @TheEllsworth8 4 місяці тому +4

    How much did Stuart Greaves pay this guy?? And can he get his money back?!?! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @vedawattieram1974
    @vedawattieram1974 3 місяці тому

    Bunch of worship?

  • @daveraes
    @daveraes 4 місяці тому

    Did you play footsies?

  • @beatlebomb452
    @beatlebomb452 4 місяці тому +1

    I hope that somehow, someway God can be glorified by a new, improved IHOP.
    No more false prophecies.
    No more affairs/abuse
    A lot more Jesus.

    • @KristiLEvans1
      @KristiLEvans1 4 місяці тому +1

      They need to shut down. The foundation is rotten.

    • @su....
      @su.... 3 місяці тому

      seems perhaps just another tip of the 'church' iceberg. this kind of thing is rampant across 'christendom'. perhaps fathers and mothers, grandmas and grandpas, should be pastoring their households instead of paid professional pulpiteers and platformers.