Facts. Kobe was the master of “bad” Shots like pull up 22 footers. But when he was on, it was a joy to watch. I still remember when he put 52 on Andre Kirelenko in basically 3 quarters, all with just straight jump shots.
@@AClaiderman I’d much rather watch selfish basketball rather than foul grifting lol. Prime Harden played in the worst rule book era imo, he was allowed to literally lunge into people and make non basketball moves and it was always a foul on the defender, the anti-flop and and initiated contact rules that were added were literally to counter Hardens style of play. I just like basketball. Try to score on me, try to stop me. Not weird loop holes and getting free points despite the defense doing nothing wrong. If your playstyle is getting fouls that are literally only called in the nba, then I do not like your playstyle. That being said, Harden took advantage of a flawed rule book
@@eliyarrows2456 i just hope you understand that it wasnt James' fault he understood the rules better than anyone. He didnt make them change the rules in 2017 to make his leap. He just figured out what was a thing forever
prime harden was good, but never came close to warriors let be real here. steph is way better than harden and nobody on rockets can match klay and draymond at that time
@@invest7303 it was never close. Scoring wasn’t as crazy as it is today at the time, but rockets had a 16 point lead at half time in game 6 and warriors were still the favorites to win. What does that say about how good the rockets were? It wasn’t really close..
prime harden was fugazi for the most part.. his stats are hyperinflated by his FT rate during that time.. It was horrible basketball to watch which is why the NBA made rule changes and ole James aint been never near that good, for that long of a stretch, since.
Man growing up watching James harden play was always so much fun to watch as a rockets fan man I hope he wins a ring it still sucks how he left us but I’m happy where the Rockets are at now
Hey remember when kobe would hit people in the neck and head area when defended well. Harden is a cleaner version of Kobe. The double standard is adorable. Players like LeBron, Derek Fisher, Ginobili, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, and Vlade are examples of real flopping. Do you remember Lebron flopping in Miami. On ball off ball heck LeBron was flopping during timouts. Yet hey let's pretend none of this happened. Bewhahaha. Sorry James Harden haters. That's not a travel. The NBA released a statement going into detail on why they couldn't call it a travel according to the 2009 rule change. LeBron, Kobe, and Wade traveled so much they had to change the travel rule in 2009 to allow an extra step. People tend to skip this part
Yeah but in Kobe's era the pace was slower so there were less opportunities to score, that said harden is an absolute beast and both are incredibly impressive
Yeah, folks was too busy hating on Harden to appreciate the greatness we were watching at that time. In my opinion, both of Giannis’s mvps could’ve easily gone to James at that time. He was killing it.
@@Blubbluh Yall got duped if yall believe the "James Harden cant carry and chokes". "James Harden travels" lines. Bewhahaha. Sorry James Harden haters. That's not a travel. The NBA released a statement going into detail on why they couldn't call it a travel according to the 2009 rule change. People tend to skip this part. LeBron, Kobe, and Wade traveled so much they had to change the travel rule in 2009 to allow an extra step. Hey remember when kobe would hit people in the neck and head area when defended well. Harden is a cleaner version of Kobe. The double standard is adorable. Players like LeBron, Derek Fisher, Ginobili, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, and Vlade are examples of real flopping. Do you remember Lebron flopping in Miami. On ball off ball heck LeBron was flopping during timouts. Yet hey let's pretend none of this happened. I like how yall are against load manage in the regular season. Yet bash Harden for balling in the regular season during his prime. While skipping other teams who will load manage and skip games. That's actually the spurs "playoff secret". That was the whole point of CP3 after 2017. Funny how no spur fans will mention thier roster that year. The spurs are now the reason why players skip games Who do you think taught Kawhi Leonard to sit out so many games. Heck he joined and already 60 win team while also adding post defense in Marc Gasol. Yet Kawhi Leonard was still using load management. Ha. Easy to have energy or "consistency" at the end of the season when you load manage for most of your prime years. Kyrie is a perfect example. Kyrie played only three seasons with at least 70 regular season games. Yes you heard that right, only three. Funny to watch casual who obviously don't watch the game all year get amazed by Kyrie "consistency". There was one point where Harden played more games than both KD and Kyrie combined and Kyrie wasn't even hurt. What about how Harden had to play without Joel embiid at one point against both Boston and Miami. Dwight was playing the least games and minutes at the point of his career. Keep in mind Dwight Howard played in more games with Kobe than in any season he did with Harden. Plus Kobe had Steve Nash as well that year. But hey let's pretend none of this happened. You can also debate Wade 2006 team was better than any Harden had in his prime. Just to put the 2000s, 2010s, and the beginning of the 2020s into perspective. Hakeem dominated the era of the centers. Shaq "dominated" the era of the power forward. Huge difference. Plus Shaq and Kobe (not kobe and shaq) got bailed out in 2000 and 2002. Can you even call this a legitimate threepeat let alone a back to back? Cute. Look at giannis weak champ. Imagine if Hakeem missed games in the playoff while his team advanced without him to the next round during a champ run. Yet that's exactly what happened to giannis in 2021. The 1971 Bucks played against an injured Lakers and Baltimore team. Yet you can still debate 1971 was more competitive than 2021. Which do you prefer? 1971 Bucks or 2021? Sorry Giannis fans. Hey remember when people try to say kobe quote about Harden was true. Cute. Yall realize kobe qoute was actually what Phil Jackson said about Kobe in his prime. Yes go back and look what Phil Jackson said. Keep in mimd this happened right after the 2004 choke. Hey remember when kobe also said Devon Mitchell was going to beat Prime Harden? Now you see why Mitchell tries to play like Kobe so much. Harden never had a superteam in his prime. Let alone choke with one like Kobe did in 2004 or LeBron and Wade in 2011. What happened to kobe after he ran Shaq and Phil off? Right. Nothing. Kobe even missed the playoffs during his prime. In his prime. It took three players to replace Shaq in Odom, Gasol, and Andrew Bynum. While Phil Jackson returned. The Rockets took kobe to game 7 in 2009. Keep in mind Tmac missed the entire series while Yao missed half the series. Plus game 7 of 2010 is another example of kobe bricking and getting bailed out. Yet this is suppose to save kobe from the shaq talk? Hahaha!!! Kobe and Shaq loved themselves more than the game. Meanwhile, Spurs started load management. That's the spurs "playoff secret" during the Tim era. You can thank Tim spurs for the reason players play less now. Lebron picked up kobe and Shaq selfishness and the Spurs load management tactics. Plus Team USA wasn't the best during the 2000s even with LeBron and prime Tim. With all due respect. Plus I like how Tim fans pretend Tim never choked to an eight seed in the first round. Plus Tim choked at the free throw line. Yes Tim was hackable. Hey remember when warriors kept fouling Rockets to keep them from breaking another three point record. They even had Draymond Green commit flagrant foul on the Rockets. This was around 2013. Houston Rockets are the only team in history to lead the league in three attempts and made. While also winning the champ in the same season. No other team have done this even once. Rockets did it twice. 2018 was going to be only the third time in NBA history. "but but but they missed all those 3's in game 7". Cute, the "greatest of all time" warriors couldn't even win back to back at the time. Hey remember when spur fans claimed Bruce Bowen wasn't dirty. He injured other teams top stars multiple times doing this. Kinda ironic Zaza from the warriors used the Bruce Bowen move on Kawhi and injured him in 2017. Warriors resorted to doing the same in 2018 game 7. Some of those missed threes were straight up fouls. Keep in mind even with the difference in the roster and last resort Bruce Bowen moves. Warriors won by only 9 points. Sorry. Warriors are far from "the greatest of all time". With all due respect. Warriors have never won a champ without injuries to their opponents top two stars. This includes 2015, 2017, and 2018. Glass ankle curry couldn't even win FMVP until half the league was injured. Cute. Before KD warriors had no back to back and a 3-1 choke job. Guess they didn't believe in curry like they claimed. Kinda funny to see curry fans bash KD for his overrated ring. When curry shares the same overrated ring. They're trying to cut the finger to save the hand. Hey remember when LeBron and KD blamed the old Rockets and old Celtics for joining superteams in their 20s. Drexler and Charles didn't even join Hakeem until after a decade in the league. The "youngest" Celtics 3 (Paul, Kevin, and Ray) was older than the Heat 3 "oldest" player. LeBron was 25 at the time be created a superteam. That's adorable. LeBron beat only one 50 win team up to 2010. That was a Detroit Piston who didn't even have Ben Wallace. Plus lebron 2007 team was a defensive minded team. They even held the spurs to 85 or less in three out of the four games. They gave LeBron a chance to win. What happened? They forced LeBron into more jump shots. What's next? His fake 2020 bubble champ that was clearly handed to him? Please enlighten. I'll debate today's game is just as good as ever. The fans of lebron, kobe, shaq, tim, and curry are the one's holding back basketball. All the load management since the 2000s. They're the ones who started the "regular season don't matter but I'll still take the fans money while our players sit out". The superteams getting exposed in their prime when "playoffs matter" during 2010s. Adorable.
Harden is a playoff choker, there’s no denying that, but do yall remember some of those Houston teams he was dragging to the 2nd round and that one that made it to the WCF Game 7 vs the KD Warriors. They had no business being in a game 7
@@ballislife6172the clips would’ve ran through the west if Kawhi decided to suck it up and also if Paul George wasn’t so high on himself and as well as him turning into podcast p mid series
Yall got duped if yall believe the "James Harden cant carry and chokes". "James Harden travels" lines. Bewhahaha. Sorry James Harden haters. That's not a travel. The NBA released a statement going into detail on why they couldn't call it a travel according to the 2009 rule change. People tend to skip this part. LeBron, Kobe, and Wade traveled so much they had to change the travel rule in 2009 to allow an extra step. Hey remember when kobe would hit people in the neck and head area when defended well. Harden is a cleaner version of Kobe. The double standard is adorable. Players like LeBron, Derek Fisher, Ginobili, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, and Vlade are examples of real flopping. Do you remember Lebron flopping in Miami. On ball off ball heck LeBron was flopping during timouts. Yet hey let's pretend none of this happened. I like how yall are against load manage in the regular season. Yet bash Harden for balling in the regular season during his prime. While skipping other teams who will load manage and skip games. That's actually the spurs "playoff secret". That was the whole point of CP3 after 2017. Funny how no spur fans will mention thier roster that year. The spurs are now the reason why players skip games Who do you think taught Kawhi Leonard to sit out so many games. Heck he joined and already 60 win team while also adding post defense in Marc Gasol. Yet Kawhi Leonard was still using load management. Ha. Easy to have energy or "consistency" at the end of the season when you load manage for most of your prime years. Kyrie is a perfect example. Kyrie played only three seasons with at least 70 regular season games. Yes you heard that right, only three. Funny to watch casual who obviously don't watch the game all year get amazed by Kyrie "consistency". There was one point where Harden played more games than both KD and Kyrie combined and Kyrie wasn't even hurt. What about how Harden had to play without Joel embiid at one point against both Boston and Miami. Dwight was playing the least games and minutes at the point of his career. Keep in mind Dwight Howard played in more games with Kobe than in any season he did with Harden. Plus Kobe had Steve Nash as well that year. But hey let's pretend none of this happened. You can also debate Wade 2006 team was better than any Harden had in his prime. Just to put the 2000s, 2010s, and the beginning of the 2020s into perspective. Hakeem dominated the era of the centers. Shaq "dominated" the era of the power forward. Huge difference. Plus Shaq and Kobe (not kobe and shaq) got bailed out in 2000 and 2002. Can you even call this a legitimate threepeat let alone a back to back? Cute. Look at giannis weak champ. Imagine if Hakeem missed games in the playoff while his team advanced without him to the next round during a champ run. Yet that's exactly what happened to giannis in 2021. The 1971 Bucks played against an injured Lakers and Baltimore team. Yet you can still debate 1971 was more competitive than 2021. Which do you prefer? 1971 Bucks or 2021? Sorry Giannis fans. Hey remember when people try to say kobe quote about Harden was true. Cute. Yall realize kobe qoute was actually what Phil Jackson said about Kobe in his prime. Yes go back and look what Phil Jackson said. Keep in mimd this happened right after the 2004 choke. Hey remember when kobe also said Devon Mitchell was going to beat Prime Harden? Now you see why Mitchell tries to play like Kobe so much. Harden never had a superteam in his prime. Let alone choke with one like Kobe did in 2004 or LeBron and Wade in 2011. What happened to kobe after he ran Shaq and Phil off? Right. Nothing. Kobe even missed the playoffs during his prime. In his prime. It took three players to replace Shaq in Odom, Gasol, and Andrew Bynum. While Phil Jackson returned. The Rockets took kobe to game 7 in 2009. Keep in mind Tmac missed the entire series while Yao missed half the series. Plus game 7 of 2010 is another example of kobe bricking and getting bailed out. Yet this is suppose to save kobe from the shaq talk? Hahaha!!! Kobe and Shaq loved themselves more than the game. Meanwhile, Spurs started load management. That's the spurs "playoff secret" during the Tim era. You can thank Tim spurs for the reason players play less now. Lebron picked up kobe and Shaq selfishness and the Spurs load management tactics. Plus Team USA wasn't the best during the 2000s even with LeBron and prime Tim. With all due respect. Plus I like how Tim fans pretend Tim never choked to an eight seed in the first round. Plus Tim choked at the free throw line. Yes Tim was hackable. Hey remember when warriors kept fouling Rockets to keep them from breaking another three point record. They even had Draymond Green commit flagrant foul on the Rockets. This was around 2013. Houston Rockets are the only team in history to lead the league in three attempts and made. While also winning the champ in the same season. No other team have done this even once. Rockets did it twice. 2018 was going to be only the third time in NBA history. "but but but they missed all those 3's in game 7". Cute, the "greatest of all time" warriors couldn't even win back to back at the time. Hey remember when spur fans claimed Bruce Bowen wasn't dirty. He injured other teams top stars multiple times doing this. Kinda ironic Zaza from the warriors used the Bruce Bowen move on Kawhi and injured him in 2017. Warriors resorted to doing the same in 2018 game 7. Some of those missed threes were straight up fouls. Keep in mind even with the difference in the roster and last resort Bruce Bowen moves. Warriors won by only 9 points. Sorry. Warriors are far from "the greatest of all time". With all due respect. Warriors have never won a champ without injuries to their opponents top two stars. This includes 2015, 2017, and 2018. Glass ankle curry couldn't even win FMVP until half the league was injured. Cute. Before KD warriors had no back to back and a 3-1 choke job. Guess they didn't believe in curry like they claimed. Kinda funny to see curry fans bash KD for his overrated ring. When curry shares the same overrated ring. They're trying to cut the finger to save the hand. Hey remember when LeBron and KD blamed the old Rockets and old Celtics for joining superteams in their 20s. Drexler and Charles didn't even join Hakeem until after a decade in the league. The "youngest" Celtics 3 (Paul, Kevin, and Ray) was older than the Heat 3 "oldest" player. LeBron was 25 at the time be created a superteam. That's adorable. LeBron beat only one 50 win team up to 2010. That was a Detroit Piston who didn't even have Ben Wallace. Plus lebron 2007 team was a defensive minded team. They even held the spurs to 85 or less in three out of the four games. They gave LeBron a chance to win. What happened? They forced LeBron into more jump shots. What's next? His fake 2020 bubble champ that was clearly handed to him? Please enlighten. I'll debate today's game is just as good as ever. The fans of lebron, kobe, shaq, tim, and curry are the one's holding back basketball. All the load management since the 2000s. They're the ones who started the "regular season don't matter but I'll still take the fans money while our players sit out". The superteams getting exposed in their prime when "playoffs matter" during 2010s. Adorable.
Hey remember when kobe would hit people in the neck and head area when defended well. Harden is a cleaner version of Kobe. The double standard is adorable. Players like LeBron, Derek Fisher, Ginobili, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, and Vlade are examples of real flopping. Do you remember Lebron flopping in Miami. On ball off ball heck LeBron was flopping during timouts. Yet hey let's pretend none of this happened. Sorry James Harden haters. That's not a travel. The NBA released a statement going into detail on why they couldn't call it a travel according to the 2009 rule change. People tend to skip this part. LeBron, Kobe, and Wade traveled so much they had to change the travel rule in 2009 to allow an extra step.
Prime Harden was a generation scorer, until u needed him to be on when it matters most. U could count on Harden when it comes to generationally choking come playoff time. The dude went from Fear the Beard in the regular season, to literally his fans “Fearing the beard” come playoff time because they knew a 2-11, 10 turnover game was coming when it mattered most💀💀💀
He is not disrespected I think everyone knows he is a great player when it comes to regular season games but come playoff time his numbers take a big hit and some people have him as the 3 best sg of all time so no where close to disrespected
To be fair, while I'm usually the one to try and "slow down" those who always say Kobe is the best at everything, there are some fair points to be made here. Firstly, I'm not gonna act like Harden was doing something wrong or something that was not impressive, but those free-throw abusing games definitely won't get as much love. But still, secondly, the eras were very very different, and one could argue that Kobe's dead-ball era scoring accomplishments were at least just as impressive as Harden's 2019 ones.
Deserves most of the flack he gets, whines to the refs constantly even now, foul bating every game, no defense played whatsoever, puts up these types of numbers in the regular season against non playoff teams just for his fans to whine about him not winning mvp just to top it off with playoff stinkers. One of the most overrated players ever
@@Folksluv_spidamann WTF💀 either you're a LeBron Glaser or a casual KD doesn't even have a 60 point game Carmelo Anthony's never averaged 30 there is no stat in the history of the NBA that says LeBron is better at scoring than Jordan Stop disrespecting the Dead we need to clown this guy he just said Kobecopter
@@Pokepoketpokedon’t flop lmao have you noticed how every player that’s known for their egregious flops is also known for their lack of playoff success? Flopping is a regular season skill, those who rely on it crumble
@@eliyarrows2456really? Do you mean like LeBron? Or do you mean like Draymond? Would it be better if they would’ve set illegal screens instead all day like the warriors?
Meh… remember about half of those points were probably free throws! The nba had a really bad problem with offensive players doing crazy sh*t and getting foul calls for no reason at the time. Harden was one of the worst (or best depending on how you look at it) offenders
The reason I don't respect James Harden's numbers is because the year that the NBA changed the rules for calling fouls Harden's stats declined dramatically. James Harden benefited from flopping and when the refs stop giving him the calls he became average.
@@renigate I've been watching him play. He's a fraud and the NBA helped him score by giving him all those freethrow attempts. But the NBA changed its rules about flopping and now Harden is average.
I don’t think people underrate prime Harden. The main criticisms he faces are his playoff performances and forcing himself out of teams. 99% of people will tell you prime Harden was ridiculously good. At the same time however, 99% of people will tell you they don’t want a prime Harden leading the ship.
Please put Harden in the slow 2006 pace and see what happens. I hope you understand that harden plays at a slow pace, couple that with Mike dantoni and bigs who can’t switch onto him like todays bigs and you have a recipe for success and a dynasty.
It wasn't the best scorer we've ever seen. He did that when teams were averaging 110 points, Kobe averaged 50+ points througj a week when teams where averaging 97 points per game.
I can respect the big numbers but he did it by bending g the rules and foul baiting, that wouldn’t be that bad if it worked in the playoffs but it didn’t
He won mvp because of seeding, the bucks were like the 1 seed and rockets only the 4th. there’s no bias, yorie jsut a causal and it’s ok to admit you’re a casual
@@parkerskipp4630 you’re a casual, i’m not gonna argue bothering bro but the past 50 mvps have all been a top 3 seed except for 2. Once again, ur a close minded casual so i’m not gonna argue but i know i’m right and i know ur wrong so 🤷
@@G34SZN lmao ur just stating fax that have no relevance to the fact harden DESERVED mvp, I don’t care about these espn ass anyalitics your throwing out cuz you don’t know ball. People like you who just watch highlights and look stats who don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about piss me off
Yeah in a soft ass, flopping for FTs, shooting 40 3 a night league with no bigs lost up game and no one competing playing D where the PPG avg. is up 20 points from Kobe’s Era 👏🏼 👏🏼
Foul baiting dumb , if a player not disciplined on defense and don’t kno how to not bite , you attack them nd get to the line easy it may not be fun watch as a fan but as a player a a point is a point however you get it
Prime harden was a monster
until the playoffs
@DoloJG he averaged 28pts 6 assists and 5.2 rebounds in the 2018 playoffs
@@MrHouse69420 also took the kd warriors to 7 games all by himself, like thats hella impressive
@invest7303 ya people want to call him a playoff choker but he stood more of a chance against them than lebron did
@@DoloJGlol he took warriors to game 7 and late in the series cp3 got hurt yet almost won
48 points on 11 made field goals is why not everyone has fond memories of prime harden 😂
Facts. Kobe was the master of “bad”
Shots like pull up 22 footers. But when he was on, it was a joy to watch. I still remember when he put 52 on Andre Kirelenko in basically 3 quarters, all with just straight jump shots.
@@AClaiderman I’d much rather watch selfish basketball rather than foul grifting lol. Prime Harden played in the worst rule book era imo, he was allowed to literally lunge into people and make non basketball moves and it was always a foul on the defender, the anti-flop and and initiated contact rules that were added were literally to counter Hardens style of play.
I just like basketball. Try to score on me, try to stop me. Not weird loop holes and getting free points despite the defense doing nothing wrong.
If your playstyle is getting fouls that are literally only called in the nba, then I do not like your playstyle. That being said, Harden took advantage of a flawed rule book
@@eliyarrows2456 same reason i hate foul baiters more than ball hogs who could get buckets
@@eliyarrows2456 i just hope you understand that it wasnt James' fault he understood the rules better than anyone. He didnt make them change the rules in 2017 to make his leap. He just figured out what was a thing forever
That’s a lot of free throws 😂
Prime harden was one of the only players to be close to beating the warriors
I want to know what the 2018 Rockets beat the Steph-KD Warriors timeline would look like.
prime harden was good, but never came close to warriors let be real here. steph is way better than harden and nobody on rockets can match klay and draymond at that time
@@Invisible_Fury that just shows how good harden was taking the kd warriors to 7 games all by himself
@@Invisible_Fury if it was klay and draymond vs rockets without Kevin Durant or curry then the rockets would win but otherwise the warriors would win
@@invest7303 it was never close. Scoring wasn’t as crazy as it is today at the time, but rockets had a 16 point lead at half time in game 6 and warriors were still the favorites to win. What does that say about how good the rockets were? It wasn’t really close..
I miss prime harden
real
prime harden was fugazi for the most part.. his stats are hyperinflated by his FT rate during that time.. It was horrible basketball to watch which is why the NBA made rule changes and ole James aint been never near that good, for that long of a stretch, since.
@@dre32pitt yeah but his highlights nice
@@dre32pitt I agree with what you said tho
48 points on 11 makes
Same ones praising harden I’m certain were also harden haters.
Man I’m not gonna start praising him now 😂 48 points on 11 made fg is not the kinda basketball I enjoy watching the foul baiting was outta control
fr them mfs say they miss him and shit but they probably called him a ft merchant at that time
The world aint black n white brother. U can praise and criticise at the same time
@@cronggpal and not everybody is talking about you buddy
Speak for yourself
Man growing up watching James harden play was always so much fun to watch as a rockets fan man I hope he wins a ring it still sucks how he left us but I’m happy where the Rockets are at now
Prime harden was him. Def hall of fame worthy
2019 Harden Was A MENACE
As a bron fan, James Harden 100% should have won mvp in 2019, and prime harden to me is one of the greatest offensive juggernauts of all time
Shouldn’t have choked in game 6 and 7 against the warriors 🤷♂️
dlo went crazy in brooklyn
No he didn’t lol, he had a solid season. Didn’t “go crazy”
@@cfischer_24Still Brooklyn Dlo was best version of himself
"He was a monster on the freethrow line."
Hey remember when kobe would hit people in the neck and head area when defended well. Harden is a cleaner version of Kobe. The double standard is adorable. Players like LeBron, Derek Fisher, Ginobili, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, and Vlade are examples of real flopping. Do you remember Lebron flopping in Miami. On ball off ball heck LeBron was flopping during timouts. Yet hey let's pretend none of this happened.
Bewhahaha. Sorry James Harden haters. That's not a travel. The NBA released a statement going into detail on why they couldn't call it a travel according to the 2009 rule change. LeBron, Kobe, and Wade traveled so much they had to change the travel rule in 2009 to allow an extra step. People tend to skip this part
Yeah but in Kobe's era the pace was slower so there were less opportunities to score, that said harden is an absolute beast and both are incredibly impressive
Ya but Kobe didn't pass
@@tyrellleach1846Casual take
Those are NBA2k “My Career” type-numbers right there 😂
Been seeing a lot of Harden appreciation posts lately, love that!
Prime Harden remains my top 3 players of all time, no goat but my god was he fun to watch
Yeah those 48 minutes turn to 3 hours whenever he plays
@@artuszara2684 most games are 2.5-3 hours any ways
Yeah, folks was too busy hating on Harden to appreciate the greatness we were watching at that time. In my opinion, both of Giannis’s mvps could’ve easily gone to James at that time. He was killing it.
houston harden carried the rockets all by himself
free throw merchant +stat chaser. He was aware of his stats, and put up shot to reach certain numbers
If he was a star chaser he would’ve shattered Kobe’s 81 multiple times 😂😂
Cope HARDER. 😢
@@renigate no he wouldn’t, he would have to shoot at least 50 free throws for him to get 81, which wasn’t gonna happen.
@@Blubbluh I feel so bad for you; you know to see you in this state 😞.
If you don’t mind me asking, did Harden drop 60 on your favorite team? 😢
Tell ‘em
@@Blubbluh
Yall got duped if yall believe the "James Harden cant carry and chokes". "James Harden travels" lines. Bewhahaha. Sorry James Harden haters. That's not a travel. The NBA released a statement going into detail on why they couldn't call it a travel according to the 2009 rule change. People tend to skip this part. LeBron, Kobe, and Wade traveled so much they had to change the travel rule in 2009 to allow an extra step.
Hey remember when kobe would hit people in the neck and head area when defended well. Harden is a cleaner version of Kobe. The double standard is adorable. Players like LeBron, Derek Fisher, Ginobili, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, and Vlade are examples of real flopping. Do you remember Lebron flopping in Miami. On ball off ball heck LeBron was flopping during timouts. Yet hey let's pretend none of this happened.
I like how yall are against load manage in the regular season. Yet bash Harden for balling in the regular season during his prime. While skipping other teams who will load manage and skip games. That's actually the spurs "playoff secret". That was the whole point of CP3 after 2017. Funny how no spur fans will mention thier roster that year. The spurs are now the reason why players skip games Who do you think taught Kawhi Leonard to sit out so many games. Heck he joined and already 60 win team while also adding post defense in Marc Gasol. Yet Kawhi Leonard was still using load management.
Ha. Easy to have energy or "consistency" at the end of the season when you load manage for most of your prime years. Kyrie is a perfect example. Kyrie played only three seasons with at least 70 regular season games. Yes you heard that right, only three. Funny to watch casual who obviously don't watch the game all year get amazed by Kyrie "consistency".
There was one point where Harden played more games than both KD and Kyrie combined and Kyrie wasn't even hurt. What about how Harden had to play without Joel embiid at one point against both Boston and Miami. Dwight was playing the least games and minutes at the point of his career. Keep in mind Dwight Howard played in more games with Kobe than in any season he did with Harden. Plus Kobe had Steve Nash as well that year. But hey let's pretend none of this happened. You can also debate Wade 2006 team was better than any Harden had in his prime.
Just to put the 2000s, 2010s, and the beginning of the 2020s into perspective. Hakeem dominated the era of the centers. Shaq "dominated" the era of the power forward. Huge difference. Plus Shaq and Kobe (not kobe and shaq) got bailed out in 2000 and 2002. Can you even call this a legitimate threepeat let alone a back to back? Cute.
Look at giannis weak champ. Imagine if Hakeem missed games in the playoff while his team advanced without him to the next round during a champ run. Yet that's exactly what happened to giannis in 2021. The 1971 Bucks played against an injured Lakers and Baltimore team. Yet you can still debate 1971 was more competitive than 2021. Which do you prefer? 1971 Bucks or 2021? Sorry Giannis fans.
Hey remember when people try to say kobe quote about Harden was true. Cute. Yall realize kobe qoute was actually what Phil Jackson said about Kobe in his prime. Yes go back and look what Phil Jackson said. Keep in mimd this happened right after the 2004 choke. Hey remember when kobe also said Devon Mitchell was going to beat Prime Harden? Now you see why Mitchell tries to play like Kobe so much.
Harden never had a superteam in his prime. Let alone choke with one like Kobe did in 2004 or LeBron and Wade in 2011. What happened to kobe after he ran Shaq and Phil off? Right. Nothing. Kobe even missed the playoffs during his prime. In his prime. It took three players to replace Shaq in Odom, Gasol, and Andrew Bynum. While Phil Jackson returned.
The Rockets took kobe to game 7 in 2009. Keep in mind Tmac missed the entire series while Yao missed half the series. Plus game 7 of 2010 is another example of kobe bricking and getting bailed out. Yet this is suppose to save kobe from the shaq talk? Hahaha!!!
Kobe and Shaq loved themselves more than the game. Meanwhile, Spurs started load management. That's the spurs "playoff secret" during the Tim era. You can thank Tim spurs for the reason players play less now. Lebron picked up kobe and Shaq selfishness and the Spurs load management tactics. Plus Team USA wasn't the best during the 2000s even with LeBron and prime Tim. With all due respect. Plus I like how Tim fans pretend Tim never choked to an eight seed in the first round. Plus Tim choked at the free throw line. Yes Tim was hackable.
Hey remember when warriors kept fouling Rockets to keep them from breaking another three point record. They even had Draymond Green commit flagrant foul on the Rockets. This was around 2013. Houston Rockets are the only team in history to lead the league in three attempts and made. While also winning the champ in the same season. No other team have done this even once. Rockets did it twice. 2018 was going to be only the third time in NBA history.
"but but but they missed all those 3's in game 7". Cute, the "greatest of all time" warriors couldn't even win back to back at the time. Hey remember when spur fans claimed Bruce Bowen wasn't dirty. He injured other teams top stars multiple times doing this. Kinda ironic Zaza from the warriors used the Bruce Bowen move on Kawhi and injured him in 2017. Warriors resorted to doing the same in 2018 game 7. Some of those missed threes were straight up fouls. Keep in mind even with the difference in the roster and last resort Bruce Bowen moves. Warriors won by only 9 points. Sorry. Warriors are far from "the greatest of all time". With all due respect.
Warriors have never won a champ without injuries to their opponents top two stars. This includes 2015, 2017, and 2018. Glass ankle curry couldn't even win FMVP until half the league was injured. Cute. Before KD warriors had no back to back and a 3-1 choke job. Guess they didn't believe in curry like they claimed. Kinda funny to see curry fans bash KD for his overrated ring. When curry shares the same overrated ring. They're trying to cut the finger to save the hand.
Hey remember when LeBron and KD blamed the old Rockets and old Celtics for joining superteams in their 20s. Drexler and Charles didn't even join Hakeem until after a decade in the league. The "youngest" Celtics 3 (Paul, Kevin, and Ray) was older than the Heat 3 "oldest" player. LeBron was 25 at the time be created a superteam. That's adorable. LeBron beat only one 50 win team up to 2010. That was a Detroit Piston who didn't even have Ben Wallace.
Plus lebron 2007 team was a defensive minded team. They even held the spurs to 85 or less in three out of the four games. They gave LeBron a chance to win. What happened? They forced LeBron into more jump shots. What's next? His fake 2020 bubble champ that was clearly handed to him? Please enlighten.
I'll debate today's game is just as good as ever. The fans of lebron, kobe, shaq, tim, and curry are the one's holding back basketball. All the load management since the 2000s. They're the ones who started the "regular season don't matter but I'll still take the fans money while our players sit out". The superteams getting exposed in their prime when "playoffs matter" during 2010s. Adorable.
Harden is a playoff choker, there’s no denying that, but do yall remember some of those Houston teams he was dragging to the 2nd round and that one that made it to the WCF Game 7 vs the KD Warriors. They had no business being in a game 7
Harden has some stinkers in the playoffs
But he also isn't as bad as people say he is
This year he was awesome vs the mavs
@@Pokepoketpokefax I swear the clips would have put up a better fight against the Celtics then the mavs if kawhi and pg were playing
@@ballislife6172that is the most true/accurate thing I have ever heard in these playoffs, finally someone agrees with me.
@@ballislife6172the clips would’ve ran through the west if Kawhi decided to suck it up and also if Paul George wasn’t so high on himself and as well as him turning into podcast p mid series
Yall got duped if yall believe the "James Harden cant carry and chokes". "James Harden travels" lines. Bewhahaha. Sorry James Harden haters. That's not a travel. The NBA released a statement going into detail on why they couldn't call it a travel according to the 2009 rule change. People tend to skip this part. LeBron, Kobe, and Wade traveled so much they had to change the travel rule in 2009 to allow an extra step.
Hey remember when kobe would hit people in the neck and head area when defended well. Harden is a cleaner version of Kobe. The double standard is adorable. Players like LeBron, Derek Fisher, Ginobili, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, and Vlade are examples of real flopping. Do you remember Lebron flopping in Miami. On ball off ball heck LeBron was flopping during timouts. Yet hey let's pretend none of this happened.
I like how yall are against load manage in the regular season. Yet bash Harden for balling in the regular season during his prime. While skipping other teams who will load manage and skip games. That's actually the spurs "playoff secret". That was the whole point of CP3 after 2017. Funny how no spur fans will mention thier roster that year. The spurs are now the reason why players skip games Who do you think taught Kawhi Leonard to sit out so many games. Heck he joined and already 60 win team while also adding post defense in Marc Gasol. Yet Kawhi Leonard was still using load management.
Ha. Easy to have energy or "consistency" at the end of the season when you load manage for most of your prime years. Kyrie is a perfect example. Kyrie played only three seasons with at least 70 regular season games. Yes you heard that right, only three. Funny to watch casual who obviously don't watch the game all year get amazed by Kyrie "consistency".
There was one point where Harden played more games than both KD and Kyrie combined and Kyrie wasn't even hurt. What about how Harden had to play without Joel embiid at one point against both Boston and Miami. Dwight was playing the least games and minutes at the point of his career. Keep in mind Dwight Howard played in more games with Kobe than in any season he did with Harden. Plus Kobe had Steve Nash as well that year. But hey let's pretend none of this happened. You can also debate Wade 2006 team was better than any Harden had in his prime.
Just to put the 2000s, 2010s, and the beginning of the 2020s into perspective. Hakeem dominated the era of the centers. Shaq "dominated" the era of the power forward. Huge difference. Plus Shaq and Kobe (not kobe and shaq) got bailed out in 2000 and 2002. Can you even call this a legitimate threepeat let alone a back to back? Cute.
Look at giannis weak champ. Imagine if Hakeem missed games in the playoff while his team advanced without him to the next round during a champ run. Yet that's exactly what happened to giannis in 2021. The 1971 Bucks played against an injured Lakers and Baltimore team. Yet you can still debate 1971 was more competitive than 2021. Which do you prefer? 1971 Bucks or 2021? Sorry Giannis fans.
Hey remember when people try to say kobe quote about Harden was true. Cute. Yall realize kobe qoute was actually what Phil Jackson said about Kobe in his prime. Yes go back and look what Phil Jackson said. Keep in mimd this happened right after the 2004 choke. Hey remember when kobe also said Devon Mitchell was going to beat Prime Harden? Now you see why Mitchell tries to play like Kobe so much.
Harden never had a superteam in his prime. Let alone choke with one like Kobe did in 2004 or LeBron and Wade in 2011. What happened to kobe after he ran Shaq and Phil off? Right. Nothing. Kobe even missed the playoffs during his prime. In his prime. It took three players to replace Shaq in Odom, Gasol, and Andrew Bynum. While Phil Jackson returned.
The Rockets took kobe to game 7 in 2009. Keep in mind Tmac missed the entire series while Yao missed half the series. Plus game 7 of 2010 is another example of kobe bricking and getting bailed out. Yet this is suppose to save kobe from the shaq talk? Hahaha!!!
Kobe and Shaq loved themselves more than the game. Meanwhile, Spurs started load management. That's the spurs "playoff secret" during the Tim era. You can thank Tim spurs for the reason players play less now. Lebron picked up kobe and Shaq selfishness and the Spurs load management tactics. Plus Team USA wasn't the best during the 2000s even with LeBron and prime Tim. With all due respect. Plus I like how Tim fans pretend Tim never choked to an eight seed in the first round. Plus Tim choked at the free throw line. Yes Tim was hackable.
Hey remember when warriors kept fouling Rockets to keep them from breaking another three point record. They even had Draymond Green commit flagrant foul on the Rockets. This was around 2013. Houston Rockets are the only team in history to lead the league in three attempts and made. While also winning the champ in the same season. No other team have done this even once. Rockets did it twice. 2018 was going to be only the third time in NBA history.
"but but but they missed all those 3's in game 7". Cute, the "greatest of all time" warriors couldn't even win back to back at the time. Hey remember when spur fans claimed Bruce Bowen wasn't dirty. He injured other teams top stars multiple times doing this. Kinda ironic Zaza from the warriors used the Bruce Bowen move on Kawhi and injured him in 2017. Warriors resorted to doing the same in 2018 game 7. Some of those missed threes were straight up fouls. Keep in mind even with the difference in the roster and last resort Bruce Bowen moves. Warriors won by only 9 points. Sorry. Warriors are far from "the greatest of all time". With all due respect.
Warriors have never won a champ without injuries to their opponents top two stars. This includes 2015, 2017, and 2018. Glass ankle curry couldn't even win FMVP until half the league was injured. Cute. Before KD warriors had no back to back and a 3-1 choke job. Guess they didn't believe in curry like they claimed. Kinda funny to see curry fans bash KD for his overrated ring. When curry shares the same overrated ring. They're trying to cut the finger to save the hand.
Hey remember when LeBron and KD blamed the old Rockets and old Celtics for joining superteams in their 20s. Drexler and Charles didn't even join Hakeem until after a decade in the league. The "youngest" Celtics 3 (Paul, Kevin, and Ray) was older than the Heat 3 "oldest" player. LeBron was 25 at the time be created a superteam. That's adorable. LeBron beat only one 50 win team up to 2010. That was a Detroit Piston who didn't even have Ben Wallace.
Plus lebron 2007 team was a defensive minded team. They even held the spurs to 85 or less in three out of the four games. They gave LeBron a chance to win. What happened? They forced LeBron into more jump shots. What's next? His fake 2020 bubble champ that was clearly handed to him? Please enlighten.
I'll debate today's game is just as good as ever. The fans of lebron, kobe, shaq, tim, and curry are the one's holding back basketball. All the load management since the 2000s. They're the ones who started the "regular season don't matter but I'll still take the fans money while our players sit out". The superteams getting exposed in their prime when "playoffs matter" during 2010s. Adorable.
Bro was at the club 5 times a day back in his prime
Imagine if he never went
Best regular season scorer ever
Prime James Harden was a movie, and yet old heads really watched him play and said “that’s not basketball”
Greatest free throw merchant ever
Hey remember when kobe would hit people in the neck and head area when defended well. Harden is a cleaner version of Kobe. The double standard is adorable. Players like LeBron, Derek Fisher, Ginobili, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, and Vlade are examples of real flopping. Do you remember Lebron flopping in Miami. On ball off ball heck LeBron was flopping during timouts. Yet hey let's pretend none of this happened.
Sorry James Harden haters. That's not a travel. The NBA released a statement going into detail on why they couldn't call it a travel according to the 2009 rule change. People tend to skip this part. LeBron, Kobe, and Wade traveled so much they had to change the travel rule in 2009 to allow an extra step.
Shout out DLo 😂
A monster traveler 🧳
Insane
MFs that place over on james harden were eating good.
because he is FT merchant like SGA EMBIID 😂😂😂😂
he also averaged triple double in brooklyn he would’ve been crazy if he wasn’t always injured
Dont like the shots at Kobes greatness but i love James Harden and he deserves way more respect❤ great video 😂
Him doing something kobe didn’t is a shot at Kobe? Interesting.
Kobe averaged over 40 ppg in 4 months of his career look it up. @@renigate
Prime harden is a top 15 best player of all time
Facts
For me he is like 25th all time just cause no ring. But if he wasn't against the greatest team of all time warriors he would have has a ring
quarantine really ruined him
2018 2019 Harden was jus different
Prime Harden was a generation scorer, until u needed him to be on when it matters most. U could count on Harden when it comes to generationally choking come playoff time. The dude went from Fear the Beard in the regular season, to literally his fans “Fearing the beard” come playoff time because they knew a 2-11, 10 turnover game was coming when it mattered most💀💀💀
He is not disrespected I think everyone knows he is a great player when it comes to regular season games but come playoff time his numbers take a big hit and some people have him as the 3 best sg of all time so no where close to disrespected
To be fair, while I'm usually the one to try and "slow down" those who always say Kobe is the best at everything, there are some fair points to be made here.
Firstly, I'm not gonna act like Harden was doing something wrong or something that was not impressive, but those free-throw abusing games definitely won't get as much love.
But still, secondly, the eras were very very different, and one could argue that Kobe's dead-ball era scoring accomplishments were at least just as impressive as Harden's 2019 ones.
It’s cause he’s just good Pat bev
You don’t need to specify a time period.
James Harden is the greatest scorer of all time.
That step back
Times before pandemic 😢❤
Free throw merchant if we being honest
Should’ve been the MVP
Kobe did it when the league averaged 97, Harden did it when the league averaged 111.
Shout out Nets D-lo too
Best scorer we’ve ever seen😂 Go watch young Jordan. Dude was putting up video game numbers when teams were averaging less than 100 points a game
Sure buddy
Cant be too impressed since DBook scored 52.3 in a week as well that same year
2021 Steph>
Deserves most of the flack he gets, whines to the refs constantly even now, foul bating every game, no defense played whatsoever, puts up these types of numbers in the regular season against non playoff teams just for his fans to whine about him not winning mvp just to top it off with playoff stinkers. One of the most overrated players ever
Warriors to 7 ain't a stinker
Jordan Kobe and harden are the three best scorers of all time it doesn't really matter what order you put them in
Where’s wilt at? Averaging 50 points over an entire season isn’t something to laugh at even in wilt’s era.
@@UtahAntsi can do that at my local rec league too. Should I be considered top 4?
kd, melo, and lebron are all better scorers than mj and kobecopter
@@Folksluv_spidamann WTF💀 either you're a LeBron Glaser or a casual KD doesn't even have a 60 point game Carmelo Anthony's never averaged 30 there is no stat in the history of the NBA that says LeBron is better at scoring than Jordan
Stop disrespecting the Dead we need to clown this guy he just said Kobecopter
@@xxgachaaestheticxx1319 "Gigi hold on to me☝️🤓" Gigi:💀🐵⚰️☠️
The foul baiting stuff was not disrespect.
Averaging 54. Even if you take away 20 because of free throws that’s still 34 😂
You’re going to make them mad with this one 🫢
He is acting like a myplayer when the star gets injured
Sorry all the flopping and traveling took away some respect for me
He does it to himself. That plus people be hating for no reason
Only the second part
he’s disrespectful on the court so why should i respect him? disgrace to the game.
He was averaging 20 FTAs during that time. Literally more than some NBA teams. Who gives a fuck.
that's my goat
James is da goat...now how about that 4 ur taste buds?
Good
FoUl BaItInG nArRiTiVe: Doesn't show fta, ftm per game 😂😂😂😂
Just don't foul
@@Pokepoketpokedon’t flop lmao have you noticed how every player that’s known for their egregious flops is also known for their lack of playoff success? Flopping is a regular season skill, those who rely on it crumble
@@eliyarrows2456really? Do you mean like LeBron? Or do you mean like Draymond?
Would it be better if they would’ve set illegal screens instead all day like the warriors?
Prime Harden better than that prime Luka
We haven’t even seen prime Luka
@@hdsports1332 prime Luka been here since his rookie year
@@Risktaker8300 do you know the definition of prime
@@hdsports1332 is he gonna get any better ?
@@hdsports1332explain
Kobe did that in an era were points scored were at an all time low. Also without the foul baiting. Kobe scoring season was much more impressive.
That’s so cool. Put Harden in that slow era on the Phoenix suns with Mike Dantoni and Kobe is shivering once he steps on the court.
@@renigate fr, harden averaging 60 points and 3 fmvps
Harden was sigma
He was good
In the regular season
Definitely not in the playoffs
😂dam i old
Nobody would hate Harden if he showed up in the playoffs. If he did, he’d be like Luka. Mfs love Luka
So what has luka done?
@@renigate he’s gone to the finals and won WCF MVP
I'm more surprised about DLo
Why? He made his only All-Star appearance that year and lead them to the playoffs
Meh… remember about half of those points were probably free throws! The nba had a really bad problem with offensive players doing crazy sh*t and getting foul calls for no reason at the time. Harden was one of the worst (or best depending on how you look at it) offenders
Facts
What were his numbers in the playoffs?
The reason I don't respect James Harden's numbers is because the year that the NBA changed the rules for calling fouls Harden's stats declined dramatically. James Harden benefited from flopping and when the refs stop giving him the calls he became average.
Harden ain't been average since okc
@@liljimmy40it’s ok you can tell he only watches first take.
@@renigate I've been watching him play. He's a fraud and the NBA helped him score by giving him all those freethrow attempts. But the NBA changed its rules about flopping and now Harden is average.
This MIGHT be MP
I don’t think people underrate prime Harden. The main criticisms he faces are his playoff performances and forcing himself out of teams. 99% of people will tell you prime Harden was ridiculously good. At the same time however, 99% of people will tell you they don’t want a prime Harden leading the ship.
2006 pace and defense is not the same as 2019 pace and defense
Please put Harden in the slow 2006 pace and see what happens.
I hope you understand that harden plays at a slow pace, couple that with Mike dantoni and bigs who can’t switch onto him like todays bigs and you have a recipe for success and a dynasty.
One James Harden step back and the whole staring 5 is icing their knees after the play.
kobe averaged 40 a game in the dead ball era. its harder to do it back then
“it’s harder to do it back then” - 🤓
we done with the 2000s, the only reasons scoring was low back then was because they SUCKED
@@G34SZN 🤣😂
He top 3 sg Better den wade fss
They robbed him of the MVP too. He broke records and they gave it to Giannis because they won 60 games shit is rigged.
It wasn't the best scorer we've ever seen. He did that when teams were averaging 110 points, Kobe averaged 50+ points througj a week when teams where averaging 97 points per game.
I can respect the big numbers but he did it by bending g the rules and foul baiting, that wouldn’t be that bad if it worked in the playoffs but it didn’t
i mean when you'd get 30 free throws and the game is a extra hour long because of that yeah it gets annoyin
Hardens peak is only behind mj for all sgs
No ring??
And Giannis still got mvp😂 shows you the bias in mvp voting with this bullshit
He won mvp because of seeding, the bucks were like the 1 seed and rockets only the 4th. there’s no bias, yorie jsut a causal and it’s ok to admit you’re a casual
@@G34SZN lmao if that were the case Tatum would have mvp h this year learn your shit, everyone knows harden deserved that mvp
@@parkerskipp4630 you’re a casual, i’m not gonna argue bothering bro but the past 50 mvps have all been a top 3 seed except for 2. Once again, ur a close minded casual so i’m not gonna argue but i know i’m right and i know ur wrong so 🤷
@@G34SZN lmao ur just stating fax that have no relevance to the fact harden DESERVED mvp, I don’t care about these espn ass anyalitics your throwing out cuz you don’t know ball. People like you who just watch highlights and look stats who don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about piss me off
@@G34SZNyo calling someone a casual even though you clearly don’t know award criteria is wild 💀
Don't matter he can't do it in the playoffs
No real NBA fan cares about the traveling, foul baiting and ref manipulating tactics of a prime James Fartden. All flash, no substance whatsoever
❤
Still couldn’t win a ring tho💀
Those fouls were bad tho
😮
Yeah in a soft ass, flopping for FTs, shooting 40 3 a night league with no bigs lost up game and no one competing playing D where the PPG avg. is up 20 points from Kobe’s Era 👏🏼 👏🏼
So we’re ignoring dlo
I missed him on the Nets, he was fun to watch
But you must know that the defense in kobes era was better
didn’t even win mvp
Yeah and wilt averaged 50 for a season 😂
luka did the same shit this year with a much worse team btw
Harden didn’t hav an all star teammate btw
@@ballislife6172 luka didn't as well? kyrie was out
mate hardens team was much worse and luka isnt taking the kd warriors to 7 games that boy getting his ass swept 😭😭
@@invest7303 nah mavs in 4
@@ballislife6172neither did luka 😂
Kobe still better than
Foul baiting dumb , if a player not disciplined on defense and don’t kno how to not bite , you attack them nd get to the line easy it may not be fun watch as a fan but as a player a a point is a point however you get it
He not the best lol 😂
So ..who cares
Don't compare Harden to Kobe.
Empty stats