Skull Island | Official Trailer
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2023
- Get ready to explore Skull Island, the very last place on earth you want to be shipwrecked.
Legendary’s Skull Island debuts on June 22nd, only on @Netflix
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Welcome back to Skull Island! June 22nd, only on Netflix.
So is this canon to the monsterverse? Also could we expect cameos from godzilla mothra or rodan?
Also I Am Excited To This New Animation Series Of Skull IsLand Only On Netflix
I'm so hyped for this
@@kamengamer5372 Yes its canon and it takes place during the 90s. But I don’t think those titans would make an appearance. They might get referenced or at least name dropped. Maybe some easter eggs too.
@@kamengamer5372 Of course it'scanon to the Monsteverse.
Otherwise, they wouldn't have made a TV Animated series named Skull Island clearly based on the 2017 iteration of the islands and the character of Kong.
Glad they listened to the community and gave us a REAL trailer. That’s how it’s done Legendary 👏 👏 👏(edit. Whoever finds the song name is a Chad)
Yeah and new video time
*HECK YEAH!!~*
Oh heck yah, and I’m glad this pleases u Goji center .
New videos coming up!
Don't be so self-important, it may not have had anything to do with fans.
So glad they’re expanding and showing more creatures from the island
But their not the creatures of the book
@@canonbehenna612 There's nothing wrong with showing new creatures
Showing? You mean making up 😭 this probably (most definitely) isn’t canon.
@@Yeitsjames The whole point of Skull Island is that it has 100s of thousands of different kind of creatures not just a set few creatures you recognize the Skullcrawler is a returning monster from the last 2 films but these new ones are good to show too as it does expand and show what else is on the island that we didn't get to see in some of the Monsterverse comics and the Kong Skull Island movie.
@@Yeitsjames this is canon though
This definitely brings back happy memories of watching Jeff Kline’s Godzilla: The Series from way back. And now, it’s Kong’s turn in the limelight!
I mean there was also Kong the animated series, but yeah this looks more savage like Godzilla the series with a more badass monster protagonist
I feel the same way. It was an underrated cartoon but very good. Sad it never got a proper season 2 ending.
King Kong also had an animated series in the early 2000s following Peter Jackson's movie
@@pikppa really?
@@serenitynow85 yes really
These monsters are something else... The variety is nice and I hope they deliver in the show!
I do think the snake is the novel mentioned vine snake
No that’s after man
wonder if any of the movie events will occur in it, like Ghidorah's alpha call or the Camazots incident
@@nidnoms3622 maybe, this is legendary we're talking about after all.
Hearing Kong’s roars from the movie makes me happy.
Gives us happy chills.
@@legendary Thank your for replying. I like to see the teaser for Legacy of Monsters if it is good.
wait until you hear it in GvK new empire
@@legendary Ayo Legendary whats the song in the trailer?
@@legendary since when did a big company like you start replying to comments? 🤔
Am i the only one that's happy to see that's hand-drawn and not CGI? Because this looks so good!
I couldn't agree with you more I love seeing hand drawing animation
Really? Cause I don’t get that impression at all. It looks like straight up CGI toons. 🤔
IT is good BUT where are the dinosaurs
Sorry to burst your bubble but this is 100% CGI 😂 nothing here is hand drawn
@@whatdoesntThis type of art style for a animated series is hand drawn
"are all boys as useless as you" yeah I'm definitely gonna pass on this one 😂😂
Fr whats up with writers getting away with sexism towards men. Imagine if it was reverse. "Are all girls as useless as you". See how that sounds smh🤦♂️
I’d give it a shot I’ve been waiting for a King Kong cartoon since I was a kid hopefully that’s just a one time moment of stupidity though it’ll be a definite pass if there’s more of that shit in the first episode I want to see Kong and more giant monsters and the lore of skull island not modern day progressive bullshit disguised as a Kong cartoon
@@SupaDopex3 If you actually see the show you would know they are the only boys she met in several years.
@@dayvonlouis5187 Because progressive killed your family?
@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646ou really think that since the plot explains it that lines like that are just excused as not being sexist?
This reminds me of the old Kong Animated series, it was truly amazing
Yeah, I love it as a kid
I wouldn't say "amazing", what with its mediocre animation and basic story, but it was enjoyable
@@UltraGalaxyify Sure brother, everyone has their own preferences
0:56 well netflix great MESSAGE
So stunning and brave
Already, this puts me off from watching it.
Pretty unrealistic and cringe
The show really reminds me of Voltron and Legend of Korra based on the art style it looks really action packed, hope it's a fun show
coincidentally, Mae Whitman (Katara) voices a character on the show
If the art style can remind these two shows (same for the upcoming "Ark The Animated Series", also very promissing as this one about Kong), the animation in question is arguably very differents.
On the others two, the animation and movements of the characters were permanently pretty fluid, smooth and quick.
Here, like for "Ark The Animated Series" too, it's more simple, brutal, direct, encrypted and simple, and even something what we can call a little cheap in some extents.
In fact, here, we are/this show is more closer in this aspect like "Invincible" (2021) Tv show from Prime Video than the two you mentionned.
And since animation is dominant above the artstyle, which the latter thend to be pretty generic in such series like that since the beggining of the 2010....
But still, even if the animation in question like that can disturb some people, that will absolutely cut anything good about what this Skull Island TV Show will be !
After all, if Invincible itself manage to be such a masterpiece praised by everyone else despite having this kind of animation, so it's sure that will not be an obstacle of any sort for Skull Island to be an enjoyable show by any mean !
And that great !
Really, for me, maybe Skull Island will not be maybe extraordinary (after all, that still a Monsterverse production, which turn completely around monsters destroying things and fighting each others with a simple overall basic plot), but still enough fun and enjoyable to pass our time in front of it and as the additionnal spin-off and wordbuilding series it want to be !
Could do without a half Baked workeness.. That's exactly what hurt Korra and Voltron.. The moment I heard are all boys as useless as you Is Huge Warning sign... The whole message of Men have to be put down To elevate women... I missed How The riders and the 90's and Early 2000's Prioritize giving the audience well characters And the audience would enjoy it regardless of what gender The characters are.
Also, unrelated, but about the similarities between this and LoK, if they include some LGBT characters in this show, I hope that at the opposite of LoK, justly, in Skull Island, they will go for it completely at the very beginning and not hide their LGBT element/side.
Or turn some of them as LGBT character if the characters in question weren't created as such when created at the behind the scenes.
Really two thing to not do if societies want to made LGBT representation in a production (especially when it's truly with the true will to made some and not being forced/woke to pretend to be at their side or to made free publicity).
It's always preferable to know and reveal directly at the very start the LGBT side of a character rather to not show it until very far in a story, way after that numerous people have impregnate themselves on a character.
Already, I wouldn't be surprise that the Girl characters, with her big monster dog, the two boys encounter is LGBT is a way or another.
For everyone, it's preferable to expect that already know today as I write these lines.
If she end up being indeed LGBT, so no surprise and we will accept her as she is.
If she end up being not LGBT, so okay, nothing special to say, but nothing wrong or bad either.
Which still something good in itself.
Whatever, I hope just that this Skull Island series, if going in such direction/take to do such stuff like that, will be like "Ark The Animated Series", which itself already only by it's own trailer show that the LGBT stuff it will have wil be very good and not disturbing in any way possible.
Because if doing LGBT representation, of a such sensible subject, is badly made, that can cut and annihilate most see all the fun and comfort of a entire production itself.
Because when Nickelodeon have undergo this path and start such thing for Avatar franchise at the end of LoK (litterally the lastest seconds of it!), that not only killed the show itself with a stunnishing and huge deserved polemic/controversy, annihilating all the works and efforts to be appreciated by ATLA fans overtime since it's first season, but also start the descend to hell of the ATLA franchise as a whole in all the derived product that came after.
So, yeah, I hope the poeple behind Skull Island will made things simple and good if they decide such things.
@@elpopman2055 That's what I'm saying. Same with the "I'm the monster," bullshit. It's really lame hearing women say they're fucked in the head regardless of how true it is, even though it's mostly not. They just replaced corny sexist stereotypes with different corny sexist stereotypes.
Kid: “They should’ve called this place Not Great Island.”
Me: “Sure. Were you expecting there to be chocolate in place that has skull in its FREAKING NAME?!”
ngl the animated design for the skull crawlers looks really good
"are all boys as useless as you?"
-Kong preparing to step on her...
All Sci-fi shows made today have to have a girl who is the key to everything
I visibly winced at that line. Can we please just get one show where the man and woman are equal and you don't need to have some hyper competent lady who talks down to every guy she sees?
💀there’s so many cringey one liners this show is gonna suck
If in real life it's already like this, how will it be the same in the series?
@@G_Zilly what exaclty? I didn't find one
One of the best animated shows, can't wait for season 2
Excited for this! And if you listen close at the end, Kong has his 2021 roar! Can’t wait for the 22nd!
i noticed, sounds awesome!
I’m not surprised, this supposedly takes place in the 1990s, Kong would be getting older and his roar deepens and changes with age. Still a cool feature and attention to detail never the less.
Kong getting more recognition finally, and if I dare say, just as much as Goji now
As he should. Despite him coming first, Kong is America's answer to Gojira. It really is a great time to be a Kong fan
@@andy.jehoshaphat Scratch that, reverse it
Kong is getting more attention than Godzilla tbh💀 GvK barley had Godzilla in it
@@NerdyPuddinCup Do you just kill joy wherever it blooms?
@Showa Shorts 63 Tbf, that *was* a bit more on Kong's side than Goji really- the comparison being similar to BvS. Though, Singular Point kind of counts not to mention Godzilla day passed by earlier this year, I think
“are all boys as useless as you” yea yea yea we get it women can b “cool” too☠️
Yea this video kinda made me not want to watch this lol this giving me the vibe that all the guys are going to be useless and have to be saved by all the women on the island .
Might have to watch a review first to see if this is a reoccurring problem before giving it a watch,
Seriously, boss babes are so self-detrimental that you just can’t root for them.
Honestly, even if she was a grown man saying that to them, it would still be cringe. I’m not enthused to follow inept teens through Skull Island
Here we go again
Honestly, i am kinda excited! Seeing new creatures, lore, charaters and so on make me really want to watch this! Also, so glad they are not using 3D models to depict kong.
Oh god, the little Girlboss character is going to be annoying af
1:54 for some reason seeing that made me so hype to see this show. I hope they make Kong just as badass for GxK next year.
Yeah its great to see him moving with more confidence and experience, but maybe thats just animator differences
Bro think he thorfinn
This is where the MonsterVerse needs to shine more and more. He can give us more more back stories of how to with the greatest monsters were born.
1:33 Song name please and who it’s by.
Has anyone found out the name of this song yet?
@@TrillMexican305nope
I wasn’t expecting skull crawlers to be in this
“Are all boys as useless as you?”
This is gonna suck isn’t it?
possibly.
what you mean?
Yeah
@@Still.the.best.2021 the good ol "strong female character"
this is not a problem, if there were, I would be in the same situation, but there should also be man power there, after all, kong participates on the part of DNA
This finna be 90% humans 10% Kong
The idea of the series is to better introduce us to the fauna and flora of Skull Island and not necessarily Kong, but that's not a problem.
If for 90 % of time they will try to survive against island fauna like all those small monsters we saw the king is not necessary for most of the time.
@@Still.the.best.2021 Then make a decent cast. At least in my opinion, judging by the trailer I'm not excited at all to see this main cast of cringe teens.
@@KingMercury_ Just pretend they're not there, like ants in the middle of a fight between two brats
@@Still.the.best.2021f they are there 90% of the time how can people ignore them?
"Are all boys as useless as you?"
"Pretty much." "Yeah."
Stunning dialog. So brave. Literal chills.
Next they'll reveal she's actually trans.
@@y_s4021 I think I saw the Skull-Crawlers putting up a banner: "Skull Island is no place for Hate!"
@@y_s4021 The least strange thing in Monsterverse.
Yeah that shit was cringe
Uh oh the snowflakes are triggered already
For many years, I always hoped there would be a tv show about survivors on Skull Island. I was sort of expecting live action, but animation is cool
"I am the monster" try-hard Cringe at its worst.
Immediately insults men...
Black people
How? No where in here insults men
@@biggiecheeseagoat probably talking about 0:57
"I am the monster". Ha-ha-ha! That's adorable. The human thinks it's more than it actually is: Tiny. Literally tiny.
Hoping this will show the death of Kong's parents from the birth of kong comics
2:02 I think we all know what certain artists are going to be drawing when this comes out.
Ah shit here we go
Oh man :(
The King of the island is back...
At last, it feels very satisfying
June 22nd is coming closer and closer. Can’t wait to watch it when it comes to Netflix.
1 minute in "are all boys as useless as you"
Well it had its chance.
Really hope this isn’t garbage quality like Netflix does.
Death around every corner is worth the trip, getting insperation for my own story involving Skull Islqnds deadly creatures
The new Queen of Egypt documentary is nuts
💀
I wanna be the first to say, I am all for Kong carrying bones like they’re butterfly knives! It looks so sick and frankly, I feel like the showcases his intelligence lol.
This looks fantastic! I'm glad we're getting an animated entry for this badass shared universe!
This looks like if the animators from BKN got the animation team from Godzilla the series and the story artists from the Monsterverse. I can't wait to watch this show.
“Are all boys as useless as you.” “Yeah, pretty much”
Oh great, more male bashing bull. Well at least I know not to waste my time on this show.
I heard worse.
@@coletrain583doesn't make it ok
Holy SHIT that was SICK. And I love the re-use of Kong’s roars from GvK. Way to go legendary!
First, Godzilla. Then, Ultraman. Next is Pacific Rim. Till, Gamera. And now, Kong. Awesome kaiju anime.
Yep. The Big Five Kaiju franchises all have anime’s now! Most of them have conquered the 3 ways of TV. Practical (excluding Pacific Rim), CGI, and now anime!
Yeah, this had Godzilla the series feel to it, I'm quite glad.
Kong looks like he’s gonna kick some serious ass in this, can’t wait!!!!
Now we just need a proper game set in the Monsterverse. It could be like the 2005 Kong game with gameplay split between humans and titans.
Should be like Godzilla unleashed imo
WOOOO LET’S GOOOOO🥳!!!!
It's gotta be hard making a trailer about Kong being a badass, and NOT being able to showcase the things he's about to slaughter... because that literally would give away the big fights haha. I cannot wait for this to come out!
Thus, it became the first Warner Bros. television series to be marketed under the Netflix brand.
King Kong being public domain brings awesome projects ^^
This is sick! Finally we get some representation for the fauna of Skull Island.
Kong looks great and everything
But the fauna of the book doesn’t appear
@@canonbehenna612 What Book exactly?
@@alejandroelluxray5298 the natural history of skull island 🏝
@@canonbehenna612 Isn't that in a different continuity?
And in the last episode: We hear the Godzilla roar.
Maybe.
Hopefully.
Would love to see an animated Godzilla vs Kong fight.
I hope in the last episode we got some kind of a teaser for the new monster in GxK
@@altithoraxperotorum5133 I'm not sure which of us you mean, but it's a fair question regardless. Godzilla shouldn't be active in the 90s, nor would any of the threats inside the Hollow Earth. I think OP is picturing something more like the end of Kong Skull Island where they see the cave paintings and then Godzilla's roar plays in case you didn't notice.
I was more thinking something like in Kingdom Kong where it's just a cave painting showing Godzilla fighting a Kong
No, Camazotz will be the main villain. Events takу place in 2021, Kong first met Godzilla in 2024.
@@wolfamadeus6932 all I mean is that Kong saw cave paintings of Godzilla's atomic breath in 2021 during Kingdom Kong. There can be other cave paintings on the island.
I think this show is set in the 90s before Skull Island the Birth of Kong (when Aaron Brooks and Monarch returned to Skull Island) so Camazotz has not been awakened by Ghidorah yet or traveled back to Skull Island yet
@@wolfamadeus6932 I'm pretty sure this show takes place in the 90s Kingdom Kong comic took place in 2021 I believe
HE HAS HIS ROAR FROM 2021
Bro that kraken is massive. It’s probably bigger then the ones inside skull island
Look at it compared to the helicopter it’s a monster, probably the boss kaiju kong will fight in this animated series. And the way it tears up the helicopter combined with the music was so sinister, ( btw I need that music it’s gangster )
Love it❤❤❤
Netflix keeps making shows like this and I might just order it again..
Thus, it is also the first Warner Bros. animated television series to be made as a Netflix original series.
SKULL CRAWLER IS FINALLY BACK BOI
Welcome to Skull Island, where the lucky ones get hunted by dinosaurs.
I want to err with an air of caution,the theme and feel of this trailer is similar with the first trailer for the He-Man Revelations series and then that turned into a show that had 7% He-Man whilst completely focusing on another character.
This looks like it’s going to focus on those three kids with extra attention on the girl(due to the current social climate) and we will get 7% Kong fighting or saving them at times
Agreed, this is already looking woke as hell.
Well at least trailer don't try to pretend that kong will be main star.
@@kinghyperheart1571 Maybe I’m just paranoid but another thing I just noticed is that the show is called “Skull Island” not “KONG Skull Island”. The fact that his name isn’t in the title tells me that the show really is going to center on those kids and everything but Kong.
@@thechosenone93 the reason kong isn’t in the title is because that’s already the title of the Kong movie 💀
@@ImpatientPlatypus that too
But yeah it just being called skull island makes sense it doesn't need to focus on Kong when you have an island of monsters.
Hopefully this show Gon get multiple seasons with the finale being kong and Godzilla butting heads
0:56 Would’ve been funny if they called her out on being sexist
Stunning... and brave! Who knew it could be done!
SKULLCRAWLERS!!! Oh, HELL YEAH!!! I love the Skullcrawlers, they're awesome. Thank you Legendary.
Shit looks insane. Reminds me of a combination of the 70's and 90's Godzilla animated shows. Kong looks badass.
@GojiCenter you’ll never find the song because @legendary custom created it here is the soundtrack 1 Once Upon a Maritime
2 Sea Beast
3 The Depths Below
4 Ashore
5 Shipwrecked
6 Big Croc, Bigger Monkey
7 Cheeseburger
8 Interview
9 Breakfast
10 Focal Point
11 Baited
12 Kong’s Throne
13 Air Whale
14 Bamboo Cross
15 Memories of Mom
16 Gremlins, Reunions, and Apologies
17 Skull
18 Stargazing
19 Massacre
20 Mi Rey
21 Kong in Pursuit
22 Clash of the Titans
23 Tentacles, Fists, and Fury
24 Seafloor Struggle
25 A Helping Hand
26 Eye for an Eye
27 Long Live the King
28 An Unfamiliar Island
But ofc the song isn’t in the sound track so it will most likely be the intro song but who knows😊
After years of waiting to hear of when this will be released to us after GvK came out FINALLY! Glad to see more of the MonsterVerse.
Now I just wonder how the Titans show will be. Sadly it won’t be on Netflix but on AppleTV+ and I don’t plan on getting that stream. Just nothing on there other than 4 programs catch my eyes
this show takes place in between skull island and gvk, so basically a teen adult
OH GOD, I DREAM OR I REALLY SEE A SKULLCRAWLER???! MY FAVORITE KAIJU ❤
In January 2021, it was announced that a continuation of the MonsterVerse in the form of an anime television series was in development. Brian Duffield was hired to serve as writer, creator, executive producer, director, and showrunner for the show; while Jacob Robinson would also serve as an executive producer. The project was announced to be a joint-venture production between Legendary Television, Powerhouse Animation, and Tractor Pants Productions; and was produced with intent to release exclusively to Netflix.
I can’t wait for this to come out
Assuming this is in-continuity with the rest of the Monsterverse, then between this series, the Skull Island movie and the two tie-in comics, it's just amazing how many times people in this world have thought that going to the monster-infested death island is a good idea.
This is canon to the monsterverse
Legendary confirmed this in 2021
This might be my favourite series on Netflix after Jurassic world camp Cretaceous
Seeing this trailer got me thinking, who or what is the next villain of skull island besides skull crawlers.
Girl: "Are all boys as useless as you?" Guys: "Yeah" "pretty much"... really you just HAD to put that woke crap in this didn't you?
oh boy can't wait for my heart to shatter when netflix cancels this!
They won't. Warner bros is a top big Partner and the monsterverse has enough Fans to make this popular enough
Honestly I doubt this is planned to be a two season show.
I hope the scene where King Ghiodorah calls all monsters happens, to see how the island reacts
"Are all boys as useless as you?"
What do they hope to accomplish with lines _like that?_
Do they want us to immediately _hate this character?_
Or are they dumb enough to think that insulting a _majority of their audience_ is somehow a good idea?
...Either way, Godzilla better be teased by the season finale.
Kong got black fur for some reasson but other than that, that looks dang insane.
By the way, does anyone have any theories for that girl that said that "I am the monster" and why she raised a necklace to protect herself from kong who was about to smack her ?
Yooo what if she’s actually Jia’s mother
@@Waaris_771 :O plot twist
That would be a very interesting twist
The majority of it looks AWESOME...
but that exchange "Are all boys as useless as you?" "Yeah" "Pretty much"
...that... that's got me scared.
You should be, this girl is a red flag and a half that this gonna be woke feminist written trash.
That and because it’s got Netflix attached
Yes this is worrying but still there may be hope. Boys are civilians so no wonder they panic in face of guns and giant monsters. If they are allowed to become badass later then this line may be forgiven. Ofcorse it is netflix so no big hopes for this.
@@AlexSlate211 I only now found out that Netflix also made that Queen Cleopatra docudrama and now understand why you said this😂
I understand it now, the title of the show does reflect what it is about: we are indeed exploring the island and its many creatures and Kong is not necesarily the center of focus, so it feeling as though Kong would be completely unrelated to the human characters and their journey is a part of it.
Girl: “Are all boys as useless as you?”
Boys: “Yeah. Pretty much.”
Ah yes, the hallmark of any new Netflix animated series. Bracing myself for The Woman King Kong.
Couldn’t just let the monsters carry the show, eh Netflix?
dude this animated series is made by Legendary, Netflix is only the streaming service, Legendary are the ones making this not Netflix so your comment in this case makes no sense
@@symphonixblades Yeah, that's not how that works. Netflix is now just a little bit more than a streaming service, so much so that they've funded for their own "original" content. They probably chipped in to have the series produced so long as it adheres to some of their standards (modern standards like the "GiRlS aRe JuSt As GoOd As BoYs", capitalism is bad, etc. And it's not like Legendary is much better, considering they're a subsidiary of Wanda, a Chinese owned and based conglomerate.
I can already see the girlboss making King Kong recognize his toxic masculinity.
@@y_s4021 And convince him to transition into his TRUE self: Queen Kong!
@@symphonixblades OK. Fair enough.
Except it’s not in any of the films. If that was Legendary’s m.o., they’d be dripping in that shit.
Netflix commissioned the series. As one of the other guys said, anyone producing something for Netflix probably has to do it to Netflix’s guidelines.
Looks amazing!
I LOVE KONG DESIGN HAND DRAWN ANIMATION AND ALL THE MONSTERS THEY SHOWN😤👏🏿
geez i felt like i watch the entire series with this trailer
I wish I could make Skull Island a movie
Agree more closer to the book with more up to date designs
@@canonbehenna612 yeah so I can have dinosaurs in my Skull Island movie
A mockumentary of skull island would be so good tbh
@@Oinker-Sploinker yeah
@@zacharyrenn-kagamine5910 I want Gaw in my story
What caught my interest is this show is going to show us more fauna on Skull Island after I read a comments somewhere that MV Skull Island is "lacking" compared to Peter Jackson version
Gives me some Godzilla: The Animated Series vibes. Might be worth checking out when it's streaming.
Wow the official trailer really showed how good it’s gonna be i can’t wait!
SO HYPED!!! This will be so 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Anime about king Kong is something we never knew we needed
It's not about Kong, it's about the girl boss and the two useless idiots that told her all guys useless idiots like they are.
I hope Godzilla makes a cameo in the show XD
seeing kong in the animation world . with a good animation . THIS SHOULD BE A GOOD WATCH.
Let's Go!
This is Truly Insane!
Good trailer, Legendary 👍
Yeah no I can’t handle it’s script
This series is definitely going to be crazy.
YES YES YES YES! the show is finally coming, I cant wait, Kong having weapons made of presumably his parents remains, is just so badass, I cant wait bro
"And now there's guns" Are all boys as useless as you?" "Not great island" my expectations for this show are slowly decreasing, I really hope the monsters are worth the watch
Yeah exactly😂💯
Also “I am the monster”
@@mikeorange7910 Cringeness at its peak🤣👌💯
@@SpeedDemon_Editzzz i just want the monster
@@Zoe-And-Shockwave same