Vital MTB Face Off: The Best Flat Pedals
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- Опубліковано 26 кві 2020
- With so many to choose from, it can be hard to pick a pair of flat pedals. Not to worry though, as we've got you covered with the most extensive flat pedal shootout we've seen anywhere on the internet. Check out the video review for a look at the very best, then head on over to our site to dig into the feature in more detail and really pick apart our scoring system - the rankings currently cover 24 pedals, so it'll be worth your while!
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What's your favorite flat pedal?
See even more details about our Flat Pedal Face-Off - www.vitalmtb.com/features/Vital-MTB-Face-Off-The-Best-Flat-Pedals,1485
Crankbrothers stamp
Dmr v12 and I would like to try the vault
Specialized Boomslang
HT Components AE03
running shimanos latest xt last few months after 10 years on clips. comfortable, grippy and shimano build.
Thanks for all the effort you put into both tests, and I appreciate the follow-up and the full list at the end of the video. Great job!
This is quality content backed up by a lot of hardwork
You have the best reviews by far.
Big win mate 🙏🤙
Great video. It solidified my choice in purchasing a set of pedals today. Thank you for all of that information and analysis.
Perfect timing for this vid. Thanks
Noice. My Wah Wah's made the the cut....and rightfully so IMO. Love this petal. Must have for my size 14US clods. Excellent work gentleman 👌
If you wear a size 12 and up, crankbrothers stamp 7 in a large is amazing. I ran the vaults for 5 years and only recently started running a large stamp 7. The stamp 7 is far superior. It is just easier to get a good foot position, especially when hammering in rock gardens. There’s more leverage climbing too since you’re using more of your sole to push through each pedal stroke.
I like them much better than the vaults. It might be hard to believe, but the vaults are too grippy. Especially in those same rock gardens where you want to reposition your foot on the pedal. The vaults are hard to adjust and their smaller size make it more difficult to get proper foot position.
Stamps look amazing too.
I grabbed the DMR Vaults on the strength of the prior review and I've been very happy with them. Big step up from the Race Face Chester pedals (which are not bad in their own right).
After 1 year do you still prefer the Vaults? I own the Chester, but I feel lack of grip... pairing with five ten freerider
@@manelbrandaopereira9752 I like the vaults a lot, by far the grippiest pedal I've ever tried. It'll shred you shin though if you ever do slip, unlikely as it is. Unbeatable grip with five ten feerider pros.
@@rstrakovsky thank you for the feedback! i think any flat pedal is always super friendly to our shin 😅
I liked the Vaults feeling but They needed every 9 months new bushings. The last time the cap that covers the bushings didnt came off. I did try pretty much everything without succes. That is what I call a V/Faulty design.
In the end I replaced them by Stamps Large that have similar grip but need zero maintenance, much better!
This is amazing thank you so much.
Thanks for the great review! I do wish that pedal strike probability was a metric though. I've got DMR Vaults and after the last ugly pedal strike that damaged the spindle, and my bike, and my body, I'm looking for something thinner and narrower.
Thanks for this great video
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this in depth analysis! I've got the dmr vaults but they need rebuilding too frequently, looking at the nukeproofs as a replacement
Phill Gordon fit some of the harder wearing igus bushings w300 and they’ll last longer. Always the bushings that wear on mine.
Mike Levy looks weird today
Lol
Mike Levy WISHES he looks this weird. LOL
Also throw Acros' A-Flat MD in the race, very grippy. 😊
crankbrothers 🤔 ???
Moysty Meyer they ranked 3rd from last if you checked the rank list
Really needed that thanks vital mtb hope you'll do a composite pedal comparison.
You can always lengthen the outer pins to make any flat pedal more concave
Raceface Chester's work great for me, durable and affordable but still excellent grip. I want to try some burgtecs or vaults the British seem to make good pedals!
I miss the specification of the price of every pedal. That also plays quite a role in making a decision.
I used to have DMR vaults, changed for Superstar Nano, the Nano has better grip/fit for my wide feet. Also you should include how easy it is to change the pins once damaged, in think this is critical.
What about scoring for thickness? Considering now a days bikes BB is getting lower.
I agree, I was going to comment this same thing. I'm having to re-score everything. Pedal strikes are a big factor, and also there are other advantages to having your foot closer to the spindle.
Got tmacs on my kenevo and they’re awesome
Digging the scoring system. I wonder how you'd feel about Pedaling Innovations Catalyst pedals in that mix because they're relying on a bit different criteria to be a superior pedal. I know they've blown me away.
We've tested those, and we didn't find a lot of grip with them TBH. Some of the other bigger pedals out there let you get close to the same amount of forward foot placement and support, while still retaining a lot of concavity and grip which we feel is missing with the Catalyst. We never really got comfy with the PI...
Please make a review also on 35mm diameter handlebars aluminum
I’ve ridden a lot of different flat pedals for over 25 years. I’ve got a set of mag/ti DMR vaults on a bikepacking rig I don’t even abuse, and they’re some of the least durable pedals I’ve had in awhile. They need to be rebuilt about every 500 miles. The rubber seals crack and break, the inner bushings wear and get sloppy, and the outer bearings are too small. The all time greatest pedals I’ve found for durability are Odyssey Trail Mix pedals with sealed bearings. I’ve got a set that are over 10 years old and the bearing have no play. This is because they’re pretty thick and the bearings are large. They’ve taken so many rock hits that the outer corners have rounded off into an organic looking form. I wish pedals were just designed with a rounded outer corner to start with, as it would minimize the hang up and damage with a pedal strikes. Also, I think it’s impossible to pack durable bearings inside the thin platform of modern pedals and still have a thick enough axle to not break. That’s why some pedals have a bearing bulge near the crank. Even then, most designs with a bearing bulge use an outer bushing. A broken in bushing is just a step along the path to a broke down bushing. The best pedals currently on market that I’ve used are the Specialized Boomslang. That’s because they use a outboard roller bearing instead of a bushing. Theoretically, they’re also rebuildable, but you can’t buy the rebuild kit or tool. 🤔. I’m still looking for the Goldilocks pedals.
I have Spank Spike pedals and I am pretty happy, but I watched this video to see how Yoshimura’s Chilao pedals did in the rankings.
Any thoughts on how the magped enduro magnetic pedals stack up with these, with your expertise it would be great to hear your opinion. I've ridden clipless for a long time an struggle with flats when it gets rough going down an steep going up but manage the same stuff ok in clips...but wondered if these magpeds could be the best of both worlds...but at 150 euro they are pricey to take a punt on 😏
Hey Vital, this was a super thorough review and I loved the extensive testing. Though, what about the Chromag Dagga or Crankbrothers Stamp 7 with 10mm pins (you can even run 12mm pins on the front and rear of the pedal with 10mm pins in the midsection to create some concavity)?
Just asking because I've spent years on the original Stamps (now called Stamp 7) with 10mm pins and when paired with a Five Ten Impact shoe your feet go nowhere when you want them to go nowhere, but you can adjust your foot positioning while standing up on the trail--a little difficult, but possible.
And I've heard the Chromag Daggas are superior to the Deity TMacs as they provide the closest feeling to being actually clipped into your pedals.
Also, what do you think about including pin diameter and shape in your next flat pedal review? I've found Crankbrothers thicc pins with flat tops and thread prevent my foot from shifting side to side when my foot accidentally hovers a few millimeters off the pedal's platform. The thread also helps my foot from slipping up at all.
When I compared them to the Race Face Chesters and One Up Composite pedals, Crankbrothers pins took the win in my book. One Up pins felt like they stabbed my shoe (which is fine) and provided acceptable traction, but if I unweighted my foot just a little, the pins started dancing between the dots in even my Freeriders. The Race Face pins were not only narrow--slightly wider than the Chester's, granted--they were round at the tip which caused my foot to feel as though it would slip a bit when I adjusted my feet for sharp turns and when pedaling hard.
One last thing. This is asking a lot, but could you add more in depth personal anecdotes to your review for each pedal? Maybe do a small _UA-cam_ video series where you give each pedal a five minute video review talking about how they feel.
Long story short, thanks you for doing this as I am in the process of shopping for new pedals.
Hi! We're currently testing the Daggas with great results. Certainly a very grippy pedal, not sure if we're ready to say it's THE grippiest. As for your suggestions about pin type etc, it's an interesting idea but maybe not practical in terms of the detail we'd have to get into. Individual pedal reviews can be found on our site for many of the pedals included in the face off if you want more in-depth data and the "personal anecdotal evidence" for each one.
@@vitalmtb Awesome, thank you.
dagga are dope
@@tetaizozadja7080 I haven't tried them, yet, but they sure look like they would be an excellent flat pedal. I'm a fan of the tall, thin, pins, and having a cross-web of some shape, and a few pins in the middle area somewhere. They list as being concave, but looking at hi-res end photos, they look completely flat.
I love the feel of vaults, ridden them for years but they’re bushes are terrible and the service kit (here in the uk at least) is expensive... swapped last year to Hope (bought through work on a substantial discount - otherwise I would’ve gone elsewhere) and while they don’t ‘feel’ as nice as the vaults they’re grippy and have lasted a Scottish winter completely maintenance free - more than the DMR’s could ever do...
On my hybrid bike I have some cheap pedals on my Cannondale trail 8 I got some raceface chester I got them at REI for free love those dividends
I love the dmr vaults but when i went away from 510s to etnies the vaults pins are to thick for the tread pattern on the etnies so got a set of chromag scarab pedals and they have been great.
Would be cool to have the test again with shoes that aren't 510.
We've tested all these pedals with plenty of other shoes as well, which sometimes helped to highlight weaknesses (there's also a shoe face-off if you want to know more about which shoes we like: www.vitalmtb.com/features/Vital-MTB-Face-Off-The-Best-Flat-Pedal-Shoes,2474). To give all the pedals the same conditions, the Freerider Pro is the reference though.
Pedaling innovations changed my world.
We've tested those, and we didn't find a lot of grip with them TBH. Some of the bigger pedals out there let you get close to the same amount of forward foot placement and support, while still retaining a lot of concavity and grip.
@@vitalmtb which? I haven't seen any that long, with size 44, I need it, and people with larger feet need the larger version.
which pin combination did you test with? how much do you weight? I think the heavier you are more grip you will have, I see some use short, long short long, pin combo, but for me using only long pins and all of them work well for me, I am 86kg with all gear on, for me long pins is a must in snow.
I have tested short and long pin setup, which was good, but not in the winter, due to snow packing up.
I run long pins and all of them, no problem with grip. I use FIve Ten Freerider shoes.
I previously used Straitline DeFacto, which were too small for me.
my review of Catalyst pedals: wp.me/p60aTF-2eD
this is not the current version.
@@mtbboy1993 We rode the first version. Size 46 shoe, 88kg tester. We just found that it was hard to have the foot work its way "into" the pedal like it can with our current favorites. And if you pick a pedal with a bigger platform like the Wah-Wah you almost get the same ability to place your foot further forward like with the Catalysts.
@@vitalmtb which shoes were they tested with? same shoes? where the shoes equally fresh or worn?
these pedals are made for mid foot position, and this is what I use, but I haven't tested riding in ball of foot position much.
I haven't tried Kona Wah-Wah
@@vitalmtb Interesting you have issues and I don't, I am curious why.
0:14 Nokia ring tone on apple phone.😀
Haven't charged it since 1997 and it still rings! :-)
@@vitalmtb Haha. You can't kill a Nokia
Im happy with my Vaults with king pins
Which grease should I use for the inside and the threads of pedals?
When will the new xt and Saint PD-M829 actually be available anounced last year still sold out everywhere???. They look like the best that's for sure.
No composite pedals?
How about the race face chester?
Sounds good, but I'm not sure you can say what is actually best as this is so very subjective, the same goes with grips and saddles.
Anything in the list would probably feel very similar to most people. However, someone actively paying attention to their footing all the time, will notice. When you ride, think about how much your foot slides around. Anything from a little slip off an outer pin to a complete kick off the pedal. I know I don't recall much of that, other than the occasional nasty bite from the pins on the shin. Lol
I have had very bad experience with the Deity T-MAC. They feel great, but the bearings in them are smaller than other pedals, and fail without warning despite flawless maintenance (no dirt or water in pedal). And I don't know about you, but I don't carry spare pedals in my pack. All my other Deity pedals (Skyscraper and Composites) work flawlessly, so I was super disappointed.
The Spank-Spoon continue to work flawlessly after 2 years, but have a very short axle causing shoes to rub against cranks for those with shoes over size 10.
@Quinn Wardle Thanks for letting me know. Given how good other Deity pedals have done, I was wondering if it was just a fluke failure.
I have GR7..size 8.5
I want spend Bucks in DMR Vault for the long use..
What the shoes is fit? And what the vault can resist for muddy and dirty used for the year?
Or i go to Atlas and OneUp for do the job better?
Love my DMR pedals. Run them on all my bikes.
why no mention of the HT ME03T's ? by far the lightest pair at 218 grams, and reliable, i had plenty of hard pedals strikes on rocks, no problem, i have a friend who is over 200 pounds and uses them as well, he doesn't jump, but still.
They’re all good just pick which one looks the coolest
one up composites work for me.
agreed, a great choice in the composite pedal world!
I would be very curious how the Catalyst pedals from pedaling innovations would fit into this test
We've tested those, and we didn't find a lot of grip with them TBH. Some of the other bigger pedals out there let you get close to the same amount of forward foot placement and support, while still retaining a lot of concavity and grip which we feel is missing with the Catalyst.
I swear to god, the Oneup pedal is the best one I've ever used. The bearing is sealed perfectly and the grip is almost too good to be true. (absolutely no need for concavity) However in the end it comes down to user preference.
I crashed on the weekend and trashed one of my crank brothers stamps so I ordered oneups . Glad u said they’re grippy cause I was wondering about that 🤘🏻
@@davenicholson3491 they are grippier than the stamps as far as I know.
Lemo_Manda thanks, fitting them tomorrow and riding some rough trails this weekend so I’ll let u know how I go🤙🏻
Rather known the axel to end pedal width, i just got a set sam hills in oil slick very cool but not nice under foot with that offset making foot angled than straight
i want a oneup one so badly but they dont fit crank boots or sram carbon cranks which is so annoying
Please check out Pembre pedals. They some of the nicest pedals out there.
I completely disagree with these results. I've had a lot of pedals and they all have issues. I truly believe the Hope F20 are absolute pinnacle when it comes to pedals. 1. The internals have 3 bearings and long DU bushing with no play at all. 2. Pins are screwed from the bottom with no exposed threads, so no difficulty with removal in case of damage. 3. Axle cover bolt sits behind a guard, so it won't get destroyed. 4. Double inboard seals. 5. If you don't install the two centered pins they become concaved. 6. Even after many miles they don't spin, but rather stay in position. 7. They look amazing.
Yeah, I think this arbitrarily scored ranking system misses a lot of details that make or break a pedal. I am looking at getting a new set of flats, and the Hope F20 appear to be the best option for me as well. Bearing and seal design/quality and ease of replacing studs are high up on my list of desired attributes.
@@MSUTri You will like them. I have those on both bikes. You pretty much don't need to touch them for a long time. I did disassemble them when they were new. Hope seems to leave them very dry inside from factory.
@@sandykavor8434 Good to know. I'm used to Shimano SPD pedals which basically last forever with no servicing at all.
Oh, and one other thing that is attractive about the F20: No big bearing bulge where the spindle meets the pedal body. Quite a few other pedals have that, and I don't want anything pushing my foot wider on the pedal.
I just wish the F20 was widely available in the USA in the silver color. It seems only the black is distributed through QBP, so I'm torn between buying from my LBS and ordering online from a UK shop.
@@MSUTri Yes Hope in general isn't widely available here in US, but they're components are all install and forget. The nightmare I went through pedals. So many designs out there and all have issues.
I straight up prefer composite pedals to alloy. I can't take the ear shattering ping and bounce when you hit alloy pedals on rocks. Also, composites and cheaper, lighter, and I've never in my life seen one break.
May I ask why the Burgtec Mk 4 was used in this test instead of the new Mk 5 which has improved features?
because most of the testing was carried out prior to the launch of the MK5. Don't worry though, we're currently in the middle of testing the MK5 and will be updating the rankings accordingly at some point in the future...(loving the MK5s BTW!)
@@vitalmtb that's good to hear, thanks!
HT or guesset s2👌
I like plastic pedals with metal pins. I try to find ones that are not so thin that you have the axle bulge in the middle. Honestly, the shoe you wear is more important than the pedal. I have Five Ten Freerider Pro shoes and they even grip to my all plastic BMX pedals with plastic pins quite well. I don't like as much grip on my BMX bike as I do my mountain bike. Get the right shoe and you won't need to care as much about the pedals and yes, there is such a thing as TOO MUCH grip.
How about friends, Greetings from Paraguay ... I wear 44 what pedal flats measure do you recommend?
All the best ones in this test are recommended for you! (the tester in this video runs 46s...)
Compare the 17 pedals on the same pair of shins.
Am I the only one that doesn’t like too much grip? Love my crampons and I’ve tried quite a few. I like being able to adjust my feet as needed unlike some other pedals that lock me in too much
Quinn Wardle Nah man...I’ve never lost grip on any decent pedal unintentionally while wearing five tens. However, there’s been multiple times on certain pedals where I have not been able make adjustments to my foot position.
NC-17 Sudpin III S-Pro... ? ? ?
Is it the vault V2 that you rated?
Only on chain reaction cycles and wiggle they call it the v2, I think it's the same as any other retailer that names it just "vault" tho.
Should probably put the Chromag Dagga on the list.
It's currently being tested, the list will be updated accordingly in the future. the Dagga is working out great so far!
Good to hear, that's going to be my next pedal I think.
No offense... but the DMR vaults really sucked, I blew them up in under 2 months BOTH pedals! No thanks, took your advice last time & now I’m throwing them away 😥 Didn’t even want to pay 30$ to replace the internals because I just figure I’ll blow them up again in another month or two. Trying the One Up pedals now.. so far so good
The pair you see in this video have been used since 2016, with one bushing swap. They've been ridden HARD as you can probably tell from the amount of wear on the pedal body. As we did mention in the video, the bushing does tend to develop a little slop, but we have certainly not been able to "blow them up" in two months. Of course riding conditions play into this, but what we like about them is that while they may get a a little sloppy, there's no catastrophic failure even after running them way too long on worn bushings.
Vital MTB Don’t you worry.. I’ll have a full video showing how much wear and the sounds these pedals make.. alien like.. on my channel soon! I’ll be brutally honest as I cant fake this kind of thing! So yes I’ve ridden them what I call HARD & tho they are the nicest looking pedals and feel very nice under the foot.. they unfortunately both spin endlessly & sound/feel absolutely terrible now with vibrations and the noises as I’ve mentioned.. Stay tuned
Had to get the ones that weighed 420 lol
Best flat pedals are crankbrothers stamp 7 with screwed out pins
Sadly the E13 LG Pedals arent produced anymore- they Had insane grip
However Chromag Scarab/Dagger have more grip than the CB
@@raupenimmersatt6906 the new LG1s are great though....we even gave them a mention in this video. same pin pattern as the original.
@@vitalmtb ah i didnt know that they Produce new ones :)
The old ones were someonese shins nightmare haha
you didn't test the superstar Nano or Exo...what a travesty they are the best pedals I have ever ridden, got them on ebike, enduro and DH bike
Crank brothers stamp 1-3-7-11? Little surprised at the 22nd place but not knowing which stamp just shows the list is skewed
It's not skewed, we tested the first series with the shorter pins as they were delivered to us (all pedals here have been tested in the original version without swapping pins etc). The 7 was not available when that part of the test was done.
Vital MTB the 7 wasn’t available? Or you didn’t have them ? I’ve been riding the 7s for two years. Seems like your testing whatever was given to you by manufacturers or distributors. Therefore can it be assumed your testing nylon against aluminum against steel as well? Skewed. In fairness to you it’s be considerably difficult and extremely subjective to do a full on real deal apples to apples so I forgive you. But you gotta say it’s skewed BIG TIME!
Flat pedals win medals 🤘🏻
Hmm I like nylon pedals more then aluminum.
Are you going to do another one of these as this list is missing pedals like the Cromag Dagga and Burgtec Penthouse MK5?
What about hope pedals.
Burgtec penthouse mk5
Nukeproof Horizon Sam Hill Pro Enduro?
They're in there...
6th bruh
It didn't state Nukeproof Horizon Sam Hill Pro Enduro. There are a few variations.
No tenet occult?
Deity TMAC great performer if you are wide in the foot 👍
DMR V12
I like my Chester’s
same, in combination with my fiveten I have so much grip
They're way too tiny.
Tomi Saaranen I have tiny feet, so it suits me!
best intro ever xD
HOW ABOUT FUNN's FLAT PEDALS???
for me all of these are too small, including all of the rest of pedals on the market apart from Pealing Innovations Catalyst pedals, which is what I have been using for several years.
I use size 44 shoes, so I need long platform, none of these pedals will offer arch support.
I use mid foot position, only posisjon that felt natural to me.
now there is a larger version, and a new version called Catalyst Evo, which is lighter and has different pins.
Regular Guy Mountain Biking did a video on them: ua-cam.com/video/dxQrD-Gf--I/v-deo.html
46 here (12.5US). TMacs fit perfect, though my stance is a bit more shifted towards the toe. I find arch support is more dictated by shoe choice.
@@letterbomb999 long platform means you can have a flexier shoe and still have the support, of course having stiffer shoe on small pedal will make the experience better than a flexy shoe, for example Five Ten Impact is a much stiffer shoe, but it still is not the same thing as having a long platform.
This was very noticeable using Five Ten freerider on Straitline DeFacto, I could feel that my feet were not supported cus of the small platform, but now it feels perfect, but the height and heavy five ten Impact I don't use, they now, cus they are warm, not water proof, nor breathable so not good for summer nor good for winter, basically it's a pure downhill shoe, for smashing your feet into things, landing on your feet, stiffness.
@@mtbboy1993 Exactly my setup. Impact Lows on Tmacs, pure DH. The added weight of the Impacts helps keep the foot on the pedal (I'm also 200lbs), and the stiffness gives great support. Was using Freeriders before, and definitely suffered with less support. I found the new Shimano AM shoes to be better for trail riding vs Freeriders, though I also find that I dont need a massive platform for trail riding vs DH.
@@letterbomb999 I will be testing the new five ten trail cross mid. I hope they are better than Freerider, I hear they are more breathable.
There's a guy in Colorado USA that got some pedal manufacturer to make a long pedal. He thinks they are great.
I'm not sure if they have a money back guarantee but here's the link if you want to look it over: www.pedalinginnovations.com/
Wheres Funn Bigfoot bruh?
Hope f30 😁
nukeproof are👌
Deity fs
tmacs for sure
the T Macs are well worth the cost.
Dmr realy?
the best
STAMP 11 = 300 GRAMS
I have stopped watching these to base a purchase on unless i just want to get an idea of how they look in real life. Feel so much of the rating is based on the rider skills and opinion. The review covers a lot of pedals but what is good for this guy isn't necessarily good for me.
That is always true of any review. We did use a modular scoring system as well as ad-hoc input about what we felt on the trail, so hopefully you can derive some value from that data to make up your own mind.
Tmacs hands down....
I just bought a pair
whatever u do, just don't test those super thin and super light, fully rebuild-able grippy magnesium HT pedals. please don't test those.
Proper bearings only as bushes are Shit.
I thought I'll leave my comment here