The Nord Stream pipeline mystery uncovered
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
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UnHerd's Freddie Sayers meets Bojan Pancevski, to discuss who really blew up the Nord Stream pipeline
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It has been the most contested and mysterious event in the Russia-Ukraine war. Who was responsible for sabotaging the Nord Stream pipelines that connected Germany to Russia? The Russians? The CIA? Or Ukraine itself?
Bojan Pancevski has had access to the plotters themselves and tells Freddie Sayers an extraordinary story of extra-state actors, deep sea divers, bombs and sailing boats that sounds more like the plot of a movie than real life. Except, according to this prize-winning investigative reporter, it's all too real...
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"The CIA guy who would have been in charge of the operation told me they didn't do it."
Good enough for me.
For me as well. Is there any agency more closely identified with honesty and transparency?
He was too busy with diversity training. Sure.
Yeah. The "I've been in DEI meetings all morning" was a nice touch.
Yeah exactly, came to the comments to make this point... it sounds so ridiculous, how does he say it with a straight face.
@@finkofinkofinko he couldn't, that's why the DEI reference! Throw information around and make noise around the lie!
I'm sorry. This guy is simply not credible.
I'm out....
Same.
How did you work it out so quickly tho? Which evidence and line of reasoning?
@@zetristan4525 that he didn't answer Freddies question about evidence
@@sistermary Yes, when there's no distinction between the story and a story that could have been 99% creative fiction, every source and almost every participant unnamed, it is no better than a coverup story.
@@zetristan4525
Funny you should ask that. I spoke to a bloke down the pub and he told me it was three blind mice who placed the charges. Apparently they were working on their own and had no official permission from mother goose however, she did wink at them twice and we all know what that means.
To save people time: Freddy asked this guy if he has any evidence (one infers documentation, perhaps even footage of planning or the event itself) and he says no.
Thanks. Jesus Freddy must be hard up for content these days?
@@itsdeclan7733 it’s disappointing when Bojan mentioned the Dutch intel report he didn’t ask “have you seen the report?” Not direct evidence but that’s definitely a compelling route for investigation. I guess not though
Don’t worry a senior CIA agent told him they don’t do this sort of thing anymore it’s ok that’s all you need
@@Nothing._- it’s very telling when directly asked for evidence his response was “well even if I did no one would believe it because they are all biased” implying he is uniquely unbiased. When people say this they are just oblivious to their biases which leads to compromised thinking and research. I imagine that might be why Freddy was so softball because it’s likely Bojan would have just stormed off if pressed. Listening to the whole thing it’s hard to believe anyone could find this convincing, especially after the amusing exchange over the little flag.
Thank you. You saved me an hour!🙏
The CIA stopped doing bad stuff in the 1970s. Lol. 🤣 This guy is hilarious.
I presume CIA were completely oblivious to the uprising attempt in Venezuela 2019 which senator Chis Murphy openly described as "we tried to construct a kind of coup" speaking to state official Elliot Abrams.
Yep, the CIA is too busy taking diversity training.
What bad things have they done since then, in your opinion?
Xinjiang. Bangladesh. Venezuela. Pakistan. Bolivia.
They are quite active lately....
@@Jocky8807 What did they do in each of these places?
This story is all about the US now throwing Zelensky under the bus. There is literally no way that this could have happened without intimate US involvement.
Yep, like the Kursk situation
💯
No they won't throw Zelensky where he belongs. They will continue the sacrifice Ukranians tho. Zelensky is part of that special group .
"the cia guy told me they do diversity training, not blow stuff up anymore" LMAAO this is serious journalism
so why did Biden announce the destruction of the pipelines?
ua-cam.com/video/OS4O8rGRLf8/v-deo.htmlsi=j-MBPCSPkZTPPYoH
he didn't you Russian bot
@@skdfdjkdfjkd WASHINGTON, Feb 7 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden on Monday warned, opens new tab that if Russia invades Ukraine there would be no Nord Stream 2, but did not specify how he would go about ensuring the controversial pipeline would not be used. Speaking at a joint news conference with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Biden said, "If Russia invades... again, then there will be longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it." When asked how he would do that, he responded, "I promise you we will be able to do it."
@fronabulaz63, before the special military operation started. To start was just the crossing of the border of Oekraïne. It took several months, but the results are good.
@@skdfdjkdfjkd its is more likely that you are the bot here ; )
America has said for years that they wouldn't allow Russia to supply gas to Europe, read their lips!
Freddie: What is your evidence for your story?
Bojan: The other stories are fantastical.
Biden: If Russia invades Ukraine, there will be no Nord Stream 2.
Bojan: Quick, look over there!!
Exactly!!
And don't forget a guy from the CIA told him they don't do that sort of thing. What more evidence do you need?
@@Economics21st well, lets see. Sweden closed down their investigation with a comment that they dont have the legal basis to take it further. So Sweden and Denmark concluded that a crime have been committed, in their economic territorium, but they dont the jurisdiction to do anything about it. The area is a Nato navel training site
@@isabelmelladojensen9043& you can be quiet sure it's also a Russian undersea warfare training area, dating back to Soviet times.. Their main base for research & operations in undersea warfare is located over in Kaliningrad..😉
There's a criminal level of non-sense this guy is spewing. It is beyond insulting.
Your comment is beyond insulting in its lack of specificity, never mind the idea that nonsense has been criminalized.
@@gandydancer9710 "never mind the idea that nonsense has been criminalised". So funny. Made my morning.
And you have receipts to back up your extremely informative statement, do you? Mooron
@@gandydancer9710 the guy completely dodged the question regarding the evidence he has; what else more specific do you need?
"Full scale". He said this mantra twice in the first 20 minutes.
If he hasn't figured out that there was no full scale invasion after two and a half years, I think his ability to research is as low as his ability to critically think.
He should write fairytales about orcs attacking democracy. Picture books.
Hersh’s report sounds better than your boozey party on a boat mob - just saying
100%. And judging by the mainstream media's reaction to both stories, it's clear, which one is fake:
One story they were trying to hide and ignore, and now they all talk about this? It's a bad joke.
Also specialists said that the operation was very complex and I doubt Ukraine has the expertise to execute such a mission.
Also let's remember how first they blamed Russia for destroying their own pipeline. Ludicrous. Who still believes these media?
yeah, how easy does it sounds, if scuba divers can do this, god bless all the under water infra structures around the world.
Hersh's report sounds more logical. this is bull crap. how come CIA is not involved, ukraine will never carry out a mission like this without crazy joe's approval.
The yacht operation plausibly did happen. I would do the same to deflect attention from my covert highly technical operation, so wouldn't the CIA?
Next on UnHerd ' How Iraq stockpiled WMDs"
Better be prepared. God sake I considered this channel a bit better than The Sun.
Brilliant!
@@WizardVal So what, exactly, is unplausible about this? (It would be technically very easy to do.)
@@ThatBoomerDude56 Dude, what did I say here? Is this a discussion about the theories that could be plausible? It was as usually one of the theories. Why would you make sensational claims that are not supported by evidence? All this story about meetings in Kyiv who was there? Who recorded those guys? Etc etc etc. Is it plausible that Ukrainians blown that pipeline? Yes. Is it possible that US government knew about it? Yes most likely follow the money. But we have no evidences so… no point in discussing the alternative versions.
@@ThatBoomerDude56 It would absolutely not be very easy to do. In fact, from the pitching deck of that tiny sailboat? Deep in the North Sea? You're kidding, right?
Just another story without evidence
Seymour Hersh, Baltops 22 excercise makes MUCH more sense. AND the mainstream media did not report on that story, while now, this story here they share it all over the Internet. Ukraine war is lost, I guess, and they try to blame Ukraine for what the US did to the German infrastructure.
In a similar fashion the secret services are publishing wrong stories each year about 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination to divert attention from the true stories.
It's a common tactic to confuse critiques and to hide their own traces of crime.
The point about Sikorsky is that everyone on both sides immediately understood that this was the USA's doing, however they did it. And this has only been confirmed by the way the investigation has been handled. Germany does not bow to Ukraine or Poland. Germany bows to the USA.
And Sweden and Denmark..
😂
@@janhemmer8181...... COLLABORATORS.
The last time my intelligence was this insulted, there was a whole tank of nitrous oxide involved
If this is true, Article 5 comes in place and NATO needs to defend Germany from Ukraine 🤣
Exactly. But it was a rogue group or so the story goes. How convenient.
And actually truth is that it was the US of A. Which means Nato should evoke article 5 against the US of A. I'm not holding my breath.
@@Nobody-df4is Got some proof that it was the US? I'm still waiting for some as all I've seen is wishful conjecture without actual evidence.
@@Nobody-df4is In the case of 9/11 it was also a "rogue group", didn't stop us from invading a sovereign country to eliminate them.
I'm supposed to believe this joker over Sy Hersh? Please.
Hersh is full of it as well.
The true story has to contain words that are immediately blocked by an algorithm.
So I don't even try anymore.
But this story about Ukrainian divers from a small sailing boat is an insult to your viewers.
@bassandtrebleclef Joe b said they,would blow it up, I believe him.
@@janhemmer8181 lol - it MUST be either the CIA or Mossad, right? hahaha
@@bassandtrebleclefHersh is “full of it” Please give me an example of what he’s lied about.
what a nice "coincidence". Ukrainian "businessmen" paid for the thing and some private divers delivered. So no government entity is responsible.
This new "revelation" is a total waste of time. Nobody blows up Nord Stream without the approval of the Overlord. If it was really a bunch of jokers who blew up Nord Stream, Denmark and Sweden would have arrested them. Instead, these 2 countries ended their investigations, and said that disclosure of their findings would be against their national interest. They are afraid of a bunch of jokers?
Anyway, Joe Biden said Nord Stream would be ended if Russia invaded Ukraine, and Russia invaded Ukraine.
What a load of horseshit.
There's a convincing argument here: 1) senior CIA says that the CIA no longer does stuff, they're only doing diversity trainings these days and USA doesn't "operate like that" - Ukraine does, 2) this guy says he's good at being a journalist (congrats!), 3) he was told by some Ukrainians that the meeting took place and things were said decided and then acted upon. So given he is good at his job he would know if he was being lied to by his sources. Case closed
😅 big...!
WSJ = CIA mouthpiece
It was the USA and NATO!
Yes. The instigator and profiteers. And we pay for it. Well done to the toffs for attending the best schools, acquiring privileged positions and leading us into another nightmare.
Obviously!
"Why do you think the US didn't do it?"
"The CIA told me"
🤣
With or without German knowledge ?
@@eoinoconnell185 With.
Come on nobody beleives this story
It is a joke. Ukraine has no coldwater maritime expertise to do it.
@@hittitecharioteer sure, they are now just passing the "heated swimming pool" level - it would take them 20 yrs to dive in cold water .. LOL
Not even this "Journalist" hopefully
Let us run some numbers .
When the explosions happened the seismometers recorded an explosion equivalent to 500 kg of TNT.
I assume the intent was to blow the 4 ducts, so 2,000 kg of TNT or equivalent are required.
Handling that amount of explosive at a depth of 40 to 80 meters requires a team of expert divers who are also experts in explosives and who will operate in complete darknes remaining underwater for 2 to 3 hours while they put the explosives in place and place the timmers.
Assuming it was done by one ukranian team:
1) Someone smuggled 2 tons of explosives across the Ukranian-Polish border or bought 2 tons of explosives in poland
2) Someone got a hand on 40 o2 tanks : 4 divers will require 2 tanks of oxygen per duct, plus some spare tanks 2 x 4 x 4 = 32 oxygen tanks , plus spares = 40.
3) After each inmersion the teams must rest 12 hours before performing another inmersion. 12 x 4 = 48 hours + 12 hours of inmersion = 60 hours.
4) Getting the exact location of the pipes requires a sonar.
So a yatch was wandering around critical infrastructure loaded with two tons of explosives (smuggled or bought in the black market) for three days and no one noticed? Plausible, but hard to believe.
I don't know a thing about modern explosives. But I very much presume there's an explosive equivalent to 500kg of TNT that is much much smaller and lighter.
But yeah. This story stinks to high heaven.
@@markbryant4641 I don't think you can simply drop whatever amount of explosives to a depth of 80 meters. So you would have to have hundreds of meters of steel cables to withstand the sea drag and attach them to the sea bed and to a boat that would probably had to be anchored really tight as well, so the team could then place the explosives in the exact place of where the pipelines are. The USA military would not have to be necessarily involved in it but some rogue group in Nato would have.
@@Hapotecario. Thanks, Hapo. Appreciated.
This is a CIA cover story 😂…I don’t believe 1sec that Ukraine did it.
Unless you are a pro Putin troll ask yourself what's so difficult about attaching explosives to a pipe 80 meters underwater given that you have money for the diving equipment, the boat, the explosives and the people who know how to dive and manipulate explosives. You don't need CIA/Mossad for that. You don't even need a state's power for that. This is not about stealing the H bomb secrets.
The US has form. They blew up a Soviet gas pipeline in Siberia in the 1980s.
So why did Sikorsky tweet "Thank You USA"?
Exactly.
Well Biden did say he'd destroy the pipeline. I guess Sikorsky knew something we all know.
At least the narrative has moved from Russia doing it, Which if true would be the equivalent to the US blowing up the Hover damn to help Ukraine. i.e makes zero sense to destroy your own infrastructure.
Yeah, and Biden said there would be no more North Stream. AND on the story by Seymour Hersh no mainstream media was reporting, while now everyone is talking about it. It's clear which story is true and which one is false.
Because Biden told us all what was going to happen, and then they did it.
because USA payed for the boat, alcohol and best chinese pirotechnics
Lol, so silly, beyond silly! The US said they'd blow up the pipeline. The pipeline gets blown up. Russia did it! 🤣🤣🤣
This clown undermines his own credibility every third response
did u even watch the video?
“Trust me and my 20 years. Ignore Seymour Hersh and his 60 years.”
And trust the Intelligence Agencies.
Sure.
The U.S. did it
Not a chance! They would have asked the UN council first!!😂😂😂
After listening to the entire interview, I find it hard to believe that if the events unfolded as described, it would have taken so long for Germany to solve the case and put an end to the speculation. If true, it's incredibly concerning that a handful of drunken individuals of quasi official nature colluding with unscrupulous businessmen could manipulate the global market of a single commodity so easily.
The CIA couldn't have done it because they're not those sort of people. Great work.
Wish Freddy would have asked how did they get a fully functioning decompression chamber on and then off the rented yacht .
Plus: How were they able to sail up and down, anchor at mid sea, do their operation, in one of the most surveilled areas in the world?
you don't need decompression chamber for 100 meters depth. decompression stops are enough
That's absolutely not what I have been given to understand @@dancroitoru364
@@dancroitoru364True, but it takes like 3 to 5 hours and you cannot dive again for a couple of days. Not sure how feasible that is in the cold waters of the Baltic
@@dfaltin So? Experienced professional divers can do that without a problem. There's nothing out of ordinary there. They worked in shifts leaving a day or two between the two dives as this guy said.
"That which is presented without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." - Hitchins's Razor
Fiona Hill is a flat out apologist for the military industrial complex. The notion that Ukraine could have done this is ridiculous
She is a spook.
He "thinks" there were only 2 military people on the boat!!!
🤣
"How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline " Seymour Hersh, by far the most plausible account.The rest is bs.
"I spoke to the CIA person who would have been in charge of, of, of... I don't want to Identify this person....."!!! 🙂
Detailed evidence?..I have more confidence in Gilligan and the Skipper pulling this off.
Ginger and Marie Anne didn't even have to use scuba diving gear. It was a free dive.
This was a military level ROV or gas diving operation with detailed survey data and marine positioning. It could not be achieved from a small sailing vessel by scuba divers as suggested.
It is absolutely Impossible. This , people can not understand. I am scared.
I can't understand how you can pull this again. We have an American president who has confessed to the crime on TV and over the internet. We have an award-winning American journalist, Seymour Hersh, with credible sources who has detailed the plot. We have a NATO country, Norway, which in connection with the terrorist act, just got a new pipeline ready to Germany with natural gas 4-5 times more expensive. And American ships full of LNG to Germany which is also sold expensively to Europe. I rest my case...
Pipeline is from Norway to Poland. Pretty much destroyed the economy of Germany. But other than that you are correct.
His claim of knowledge about what Norway would help the US with, and to what degree scandinavian countries would do to support the US, is lacking. Norway the "peace nation" always does what the US wants. even up to the point where NOrway was the country in Nato that bombed Libya the most of all NATO countries (588 bombs delivered by Norwegian airforce pilots), in an illigal, non "sanctioned" war against Libya. Norway have a long tradtion of supporting the US since ww2, from the time of the UN , with a Norwegian General Secretary, pushed trough the support of one side in the civil war in Korea, (that was possible since the Sovjets boycotted the security council, and did not place veto against the action) that escalated the Korean war and lead to 2.5 million deaths. Norwegian clandestine services supported the US during the Vietnam war, and have sent personell to almost every war the US have undertaken.
Sure! Recall the role of Norway and its divers in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Yes, we have been fooled about Norway' good intentions all these years. Sad, how they throw away the postive capital that have accumulated worldwide as do-goodies and peacemakers. But sadly, it was all a scam. Now they sell natural gas at four times the price to Europe! Not so bad after all.
When I started the video I was very open to the theory, but I'm 20 minutes in and I feel like this guy is just not credible.
Unfortunately I listened to the end...and heard nothing at all plausible.
I’d just like to add that the USS Kearsarge which was in the immediate vicinity of the Nordstream and then left the Baltic hours after the pipeline was blown up had absolutely NOTHING to do with this …. The US Navy have denied involvement and that is good enough for me 😂
That was the ship from which the underwater drone exercise close to Bornholm was held in june 2022 during Baltops22.
It lingered in the region for friendly visits to the Baltic republics, Finland and Poland.
Days before the explosions it could be seen on Shipfinder to lay close to the Swedish coast.
The day after the Nordstream explosions it turned off its AIS Southwest of Cornwall.
@@janhemmer8181Confirmé?
Read some comments, decided not to watch, still believe it was the US. (Both Biden and Nuland implied they would do it, after all).
After 14 minutes, I have trouble believing this. Asked for proof the interviewee diverted into historical developments.
FFS "a blind man on a galloping horse could see" it was the yanks who blew up the gas pipeline to drive up the price of LNG, as it wasnt cost effect to ship US LNG to Europe before. Where do you think the US got all these new LNG tankers from, also US based Excel energy signed a 280billion contract with Finland renting Finland's new, one of the largest in the world LNG storage facility to supply LNG to Europe. Its not difficult to understand who financially benefited.
Why would Biden publicly say they would put an end to the pipeline if they planned on blowing it up, wouldn't that obviously draw suspicion ?
Do you have any links that I could read about this? It sounds very interesting
@@NC-dw3tk the contract for the Excel energy was run about 18 months ago, along with the contract, Finland will received 120million for renting their offshore facility. With regards to the buildup, it all started with Poland taking Russia to the European court as the spot price for LNG on the stock exchange dropped below the russian contract price over 5 years, I remember was €250 per 1000 M2 liters, the EU court found for Poland, and Russia agreed to follow the stock market price, but as the proxy war started in Ukraine, the stock price went up to over €1100 per 1000m2 liter thus the European countries couldn't pay. Oh along with Norway opening up their new LNG pipeline to Europe a month after Nord stream 2 was blown up. Biden even said he was going to stop it. These stories are all a smoke screen, follow the money, as to who would benefit from Nord stream 2, it certainly wasn't the European's. Even trump in 2016 told the Europeans they had to buy US LNG or he would cut NATO spending. It's all open source if you look in the right place. N.B do people not release how long it takes to build new LNG tankers, new LNG storage facilities and LNG pipeline that run hundreds of miles, this war was planned years ago by the US.
PL also benefitted. The LNG terminal at Swinoujscie would have higher demand for its capacity.
@@davydacounsellor gas isn't traded on a stock market exchange. It's traded on a commodities market.
As soon as this bloke uses the phrase 'full-scale invasion of Ukraine', we know where he is coming from.
Yeah for sure. The mantra.
Well, half the mantra. Where was the "unprovoked"?
Why should Freddy be criticized here! He is not agreeing with this guy. He is challenging his theory! I like hearing all sides of issues!
Agreed. Comment sections are getting weird no matter what channel or platform.
Oh, come off it! When he interviewed Jeffrey Sachs about the Sy Hersh story that gave a convincing account of how the US and the Norwegians were responsible Freddie's conclusion was deeply skeptical. His conclusion to this episode was that this guy might have discovered the truthy truth that disproved Hersh's much more plausible story. He was hugely skeptical when he shouldn't have been, and now he isn't where he should be.
He is just human…
It’s his show, and his guest. It’s his job to push back on bs
@@JoeBeThere You totally missed the point and why aren't you using your real name and your full name? Sachs wasn't spreading the bs. This Macedonian journo was. Freddie was hugely skeptical where he shouldn't have been and he wasn't where he should have been. As a Brit there were also things that he might have pursued but didn't. Right after the explosions Liz Truss sent a message to Anthony Blinken, the US Secretary of State, asking "Is it done?" This fits easily into the Hersh narrative. There may well have been some British involvement in the US-Norwegian effort he describes. It is completely inconsistent with this Macedonian guy's story. Freddie didn't do his job.
This dude calls Hirsh's story fantastical, then brings forward zero (0) sources.
Paid!
The most plausible theory is that the United States government help facilitate the hands-on action by Ukraine
And PL would happily help.
@@abatesnz The thing that everybody has to remember is this, this was an act of war
Well we were drunk and had a lot of fun and then this idiot blew up the pipelines, because he didn't get that we were just joking. 😅
Occam's Razor? The simplest, most obvious explanation? It was the US.
but that would explain anything, wouldn't it?
@@dancroitoru364 The US stands to benefit the most, and the CIA routinely carries out similar covert operations. The WSJ is not a credible publication, especially not the opinion column this guy is from, they are political and have been caught more than once fabricating "evidence" to support a narrative.
Occam's razor? A small daring team from Ukraine doing it is simpler still
@@lighthousesaunders7242 Come on, realistically. The "six stooges on a boat" story is as plausible as aliens.
@@mojojojo1529 but it's just diving 80 meters and attaching explosive to a pipe. it's not like designing the implosion mechanism of a plutonium bomb dude.
2 years investigating yet he does not deal with the basic technical difficulties in achieving the task. Only once the technical is understood can alternative motivations be assessed.
Why’s this getting any airtime?
You need to hear exactly how stupid and gulible you'd have to be for this story to be true in your reality.
A glimpse into madness, a precautionary tale of the effects of too much coolaid
@@allydea as opposed to how intelligent and sophisticated you are if you believe that anything you don't approve of is caused by either Mossad or CIA lol
This dude is one "fantastical liar". It's very obvious that he was coached to say all that.
I keep beleiving the great journalist Seymour Hersh who wrote a brilliant article explaining how and by who it was done. Just read it and make your own conclusion after that.
There is a physicist from Switzerland, who states very detailed that the US did this with mini-nukes. Regarding to the depth of the pipeline, the diameter and material of the pipeline and the amount of conventional explosives necessary to cause the destruction taken place, this theory sounds very plausible to me.
Any story including catboats, divers, some handfull of C4 and passports left behind, I consider a fairytale.
Can u plz tell the name of physicist from Switzerland?
Fairy tales are based on reality.
I do not know why. Anyone who believes that a mini nuke was used clearly loves fairy tales. Small nuclear weapons are very difficult to make and the international consequences of being caught with one let alone using one would be extreme. This statement is so ludicrous I have to seriously consider you are knowingly posting lies.
Oh dear, mini nukes and nobody noticed...
Both USA and Ukraine are interested parties, surely proof would be required. But to blame Russia for it is extreme nonsense. Both statement "Russia benefits from it" and "it is typical for Russia" is just bullshit.
Ukraine... not really. They are better off with Germany working at full capacity producing military equipment. The US has nothing to loose.
@@adelatorremothelet With Nord Streams 1 and 2 running at full capacity there would not be any need for the old Soviet pipeline that runs through Ukraine. If that would happen Ukraine would lose a lot. Poland was mad at that project too because directing all gas to Germany would remove Poland from the picture of redistributing gas through Europe, and it will lose money too. So, definitely Ukraine was the very much interested party in the blow up act. So to speak ("Law & Order"), "had a motive". Did it have "the means and opportunity" - still need to be proved. As It is known the divers that Germany accused in the blowing up did have experience to dive for 30 meters, and pipeline is 80 meters deep. So extra equipment would be needed. That is why Seymour M. Hersh insists that it was done by USA.
Current Ukrainian officials are known for the habit of harassing people who help them, so causing problem for Germany would not be an obstacle if they would be able to do it.
@gregdvorkin If the German economy stagnates, Ukraine can receive less money and equipment from Germany. Your line of thought is correct during peace time, but not during war time : you want your alied factories outproducing your enemy. Money is irrelevant if you don't get the military equipment.
The other matter is that Joe b is recorded besides Scholz stating that nord stream would be destroyed if Russia invaded Ukraine. He probably noticed 2 seconds too late he should not have let out that piece of information.
@@gregdvorkin Money doesn't win wars, Wars are won with soldiers , resources, supply chains and logistics lines.
And of course sabotaging your allies infrastructure is not a military goal.
It was probably part of a plan to stagnate Europe's economy and gain a quick victory. The first part did work , the second part didn't.
I wasn't paying attention and believed that it was proven to be Ukraine till I heard this interview, he's a completely unconvincing source and his weak yet standoffish defence of the US makes him sound like damage control. Seymour Hersh probably has it correct.
One thing is for certain: it wasn't Russia.
Well, as we know, there are no journalists anymore. To think that he believes the cia when they say they don’t do this sort of thing because of diversity training transcends belief. And he just dismissed Si Hirsch as an octogenarian. So I assume Si doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but this guy obviously does. Come on, mate
This is complacent reporting to clean up to White House mess and prep the advent of Mother Kamala. There is not a single somid fact stated by this guy. When challenged, he just comes up w nonsense or "...I have no idea.." Great investigative talent.
I tend to prefer the good work and trust the word of the 80+ old Pulitzer Prize journalist that broke the story last year
am I a conspiracy theorist for not believing this nonsense?
😅big one!
Sachs’ point that it would never have occurred without US blessing and complicity seems self evident.
The only question worth asking this guy is "which 3 letter agency fed you this story?" After that its "did you know it was a govt agency feeding you the story?"
Ukrainian did that? The New York Times seriously think we are stupid? Why don't they say it was my grandmother who did it? Because she can swim and she is not afraid of the cold. That might be a better story!
This is ludicrous. If you'd prefer to save time, just count how many times Fiona Hill blinks in her brief summary of the same story at the start of this video. Twaddle. Hill doesn't believe it. Neither does Sayers.
It terrifies me how many people are so gullible and indifferent nowadays
Explosing the Nord Stream is not ‘a small, insignificant’ act, dear Boyan. You say strange things, man! And also that ‘it was financed by private individuals’ is also a huge non-sense. Sorry man, but you should keep studying journalism. Maybe mr. S.Hersh could help you with that.
Hey...this guy doesn't know the central credo of any military action: CUI BONO? I hope he Unterstands some latin. What bull shit ....
I still think this is just the cover story. But it makes little difference if the US blew the pipeline themselves or their proxy did. I find it unlikely the US didn't know, and they certainly would know who did it, and covered it up.
Is he saying Seymour Hersh lied, or that his sources did. Why?
The only way to tell is to know how difficult is it to blow up a pipeline.
The CIA told him "we didnt do it"
That part was the funniest.
That’s a bit of a both-sides mischaracterization of those who ridiculed the idea Russia did it. I don’t recall most of them ruling out that Ukraine did it. You frame it like saying the US did it was on the same level of partisanship as those making the patently ludicrous claim that Russia did it.
Sure I can't rule out Ukraine, nobody can.
But BaltOps NATO Naval exercises were being conducted at the right time to pull this off. Seymour Hersh's SubStack article just perfectly explains everything and nobody has brought forward anything credible to debunk him.
@@SubvertTheStateI appreciate that summary
That is a perfect example of Another County Heard From. I don't want to call him a tool, but well.... he is.
As someone who spent his early life involved in underwater salvage, I look at that little sailboat and laugh)
"How do you keep something like that from leaking?" Well, it was on a leak that Hersh based his, as far as I''m concerned, completely believable, story.
Why would Ukraine risk angering Germany and risking loosing their support when they need it the most???
I don't believe him. Just saying....
No evidence that a 4 civilians, an ex military bomb maker and a boat captain walk into a bar....
Bojan has investigated THIS for two years?! Chapeau
Story is as old as the deletion of the Nord Stream. They just released a report to indulge that comedian.
There was NO WAY "Zel" approved this without Bidens approval..idiocy
Must've been the same investigation team that looked into the lab leak.
What "full scale invasion" is he referring to? There was an invasion, yes, but full scale? I really don;t think so....this term is very propagandistic and this man should know and recognize this. As a journalist, he should know that he must be very careful and responsible with his words. It rather appears that the pipeline was more important for Germany than for Russia...If I were as a result of the sabotage of Nordsteam, a de industrializing Germany, I would be angry beyond control at whomever did it.
Two light divers on a small yacht bring down 500 kilos TNT...
Really
The US, and its Top Officials (like Biden) were pretty clear that the Pipeline would be taken care of... so I really can't wrap my head around why you find that hard to figure out!
Is he from the same acting school as Zelensky?
Private investers... But i cant answer who.
Unlistened to this nonsense.
Freddie! This your guest is a joke...a three year old would not believe this version of events....please stop insulting the intelligence of your viewers. Thank you
We all know it was the US and UK, all this is theatre garbage.
Bravo Freddie - you asked the right questions! And poor mr. Pancevski is not able to answer important topics in a convincing way. The journalist Seymour Hersh made a much better job on this subject and explained a lot, much beter.
I cannot say who did the job, but one apparent inconsistency (unless I misheard a lot of the interview) seems clear.
The guest said two military men and two (civilian) deep sea divers did the job.
Did he not also say that the divers worked in pairs, one pair going down one day/session, and another pair one the next? If so, then where did the second pair of divers come from?
This apparent inconsistency alone causes more than doubt.
Perhaps I misheard, as I was listening while doing work.
The use of the word octogenarian was the first clue that we were in for a fantastical feast.
The US and some NATO allies conducted submersible warfare exercises involving teams of divers in the area of the pipeline explosions a few months before they were blown up. I would suggest that the explosives were laid during that event and later detonated electronically. This Naval exercise was reported at the time but nobody has mentioned them since. The US was deeply opposed to the Nordstream project from the outset. The reasons for their opposition are interesting and make them the primary culprits, but once again the mainstream media are silent on the subject.
Everything goes through the US.
Is this guy suppose to be a Crack or Hack journalist? Or Hack journalist on Crack? 😂 The CIA Chief said, "we don't do dat no mo, so there."😅
If freelance public private partnerships could carry out highest order geopolitical strikes without US approval, it wouldn't say much for US authority or competence.
What he's saying is such an obvious load of smoke and mirrors, I'd include it as evidence of US authorization for the strike.
What stupidity
What rot? I'm disappointed in you Freddie.
I think Freddie sounded consistently skeptical. This narrative seems pretty thin to me, and Freddie reacts as if it sounds pretty thin to him, too, but he lets the guest have his say.
Were there really two explosions 17 hours apart, with no investigation at that location in between?
Oh a nice face-saving version! How convenient for the state department!
Bojan was sent here to sell the story and he didn't do a good job at it.
Fascinating story! Maybe in a parallel universe this scenario really took place. Who’s to know? I still subscribe to the Seymour Hirsch version of events but I found this journalist that I wasn’t familiar with very intriguing and thought-provoking. I maintain an open mind. I didn’t ever think the Ukraine had the skill and technology to carry out the world’s largest act of eco-terrorism. But what do I know?
That’s a rhetorical question because I don’t know shit 💩.
Maybe one day we’ll get to the bottom of this real world, “Who Dunnit?” suspenseful criminal mystery story.
This journalist raised some good points IMHO.
Thanks for covering this crime caper, Unheard! Great discussion!
I didn’t previously know that Freddie was a Swede but great British accent nevertheless! lol 😊
Dear @Freddie Sayers I have from someone who could do it, that diving to the depths around 80 meters is possible today as a specialised diver using a mix of gasses, but there is one specific technicality that I cannot verify, which is the amount of explosives and drilling equipment etc. required.
Some say 2 tons would be needed, others have said as little as 10 kg, which kind of makes or breaks the sailboat story.