James Cameron didn't get to make it so he went on to create a hissy fit film for number 4 then 5 just didn't make any sense just like number 4 so he trie to reboot the storyline by rewriting the ending of number 2. I just wish 4-6 just followed 3 and each other. by showing us how she sent Kyle and the other T-850 back to save his Mom and himself. they could have ended the whole thing by showing Skynet was destroyed and then all the Terminators became like an Xbox One useless without a link to Skynet.
It's because it's seen as pointless all because judgement day is inevitable. I like it the movie compared to any other sequels to t2. I like the ability of the tx to hack machinery one of skynet pet peeves is when a terminator hacked so skynet made their weakness a strength here!!
T3 has a bold ending, which is rarely seen in Hollywood today. Don’t get me wrong, the movie has issues (self parody, tonal differences from the previous movies, campy/unnecessary corny humor), but overall the movie adds to the Terminator saga and provides some new developments in the story.
After re-watching T3 I agree that it's far better than DF! If you think about it, if you prevent the invention of a revolutionary technology, say the transistor, than you're only delaying it's inevitable invention and therefore only postponing judgement day. Once I figured that out, T3 became a pretty great movie in my opinion.
Someone developing a transistor is a lot different than specifically creating Skynet. Of course AI was always on the horizon. But it's a bit nonsensical to say that a specific company named Skynet will exist no matter what, and create cybernetic organisms that look like Arnold that will be sent back in time and try to take over the world. But take out that nonsense and we still have a bad parody of T2 with Arnold putting on pink sunglasses and inflatable breast.
Perfectly stated! T3 has always been my personal favourite in the franchise (controversial, I know) and I completely agree it's miles better than DF. Nick Stahl was a great, relatable John Connor and the T-X was a truly intimidating villain. That beautifully bleak ending with Judgement Day finally happening just can't be topped as a bookend to the trilogy.
Terminator 3's ending still shocks me to this day. Like the heroes essentially lost and there was no sequel planned for immediately after how to fix everything. Then Salvation felt like the right direction to take.
People are harsh on T-3 because it came after T-2 which was god-tier movie, so people expected more from T-3. T-6 was utter crap but it came after T-5 which was also crappy, so people didn't expect much before watching T-6. T-3 is much better than T-6 as sequel and as a movie. T-6 literally just took a huge dump all over the franchise and the fans.
People are harsh on T3 because it's a bad film. I mean what Terminator fan ever ask for Arnold to put pink glasses on and say "talk to the hand"? And it undoes so much what was set up in T2 while then retreading the same plot, only with bad comedy. I mean why lower Arnold into the steel at all in T2 if you can't stop judgement day? I agree T6 takes a dump all over the franchise, but so does T3 - T6! I don't understand how Dark Fate shits on the franchise but T3 doesn't. T3 doesn't even respect the franchise enough to use the Terminator theme. Everything post T2 completely shits on the franchise.
@@faz1483 There are good reasons why T3 doesn’t take a dump on the franchise while DF does. For example, in T3, John Connor wasn’t killed off whereas in DF, he was and decision to kill off John Connor just makes DF a rather much worse film on T3 and not only that, but this decision was even worse than the decision of the creators of Star Wars: The Last Jedi to kill off Luke Skywalker because the decision made for DF was the killing of a kid as he didn’t live long enough to see the future (Tim Miller should be ashamed of himself for this shit that he decided to promote).
@@yusufdunphy5402 Where are the reasons T3 doesn't take a dump on the franchise? You only listed reasons why DF was terrible. They are both terrible. I mean your defense of T3 is they don't kill John? In what universe is Arnold putting on pink starred sunglasses and saying "talk to the hand" not dumping on the franchise? Or how about the TX's tits inflating to massive size? This franchise started out as a Sci-Fi slasher film, now we have inflatable tits and talk to the hand jokes lol? Or how about the fact T2 tells us they stop Judgement Day and lower Arnold into the steel as a result. Yet in T3 they go back and say it actually can't be stopped, meaning lowering Arnold into the steel was pointless. And I could go on and on. Detailing why DF is bad does not make T3 a good film. And It's not just Tim Miller, James Cameron had plenty of bad ideas when it comes to DF as well. Don't be fooled into thinking this was 100% Tim Miller. Cameron was fully on board with killing John and the rest of the nonsense. Cameron just said last month Terminator should move away from killer robots.
How is it true to T2? It undoes most everything we were told in T2. Why even lower Arnold into the steel if you can't stop Skynet? From a story standpoint T3 makes no sense based on T2. T3 is basically a bad parody of T2.
@Johnny Thane What does DF have to do with anything? DF is garbage, just like T3. I'm not retroactively going back and pretending T3 was a good film just because DF was also garbage. I mean we can debate which pile of shit smells worse, but at the end of the day we are still dealing with piles of shit.
@@faz1483 Emmm what things undo? In the same logic of the first movie, its imposible to stop skynet, no matter what skynet or can be stalled or the franchise has to move to the war part, with it obviuos changes, becasue T2 has the bad thing that it create a butterfly effect, so thats the only thing that can stall skynet a little. So what is supose to undo? If you are thinking in the second final scene that never was released, then let me tell you that this ending is a nonsens and a contradiction at all. Skynet, and the judmend day cannot be erased, because is the gandpa paradox itself.
@@rozenchannel When did they say it was impossible to stop skynet from happening in the first film? They never even brought up the idea of erasing it from existence until the 2nd film. That butterfly effect nonsense is what T3 tries to sell you to justify its own existence, and fails miserably. In T2 we are told we can stop Judgment Day, and they do! So much so that they have to lower Arnold into the steel. These rules are established. If this idea that Judgment Day can't be stopped already existed then why lower Arnold into the steel lol!??? It makes the ending of T2 pointless. The only reason Judgment Day wasn't stopped was because they wanted to milk the franchise with more sequels. Again, show me where they say JD can't be stopped in the first two films. That is not a concept until T3. Cameron established rules for his films. T3 breaks them.
I love T1 and T2 so much. Love the Sarah Connor Chronicles series and T3 Rise of the Mashines. That's how i watch the Terminator series then i do. Sometimes i add Salvation just for the kicks.
1 and 2 were perfect, 3 while not being as good as the first 2, is not nearly as bad as it's made out to be, and the ending of 3 is tied with 2 as being as good, salvation wasn't terrible, and honestly I appreciate that it did something actually different and it would have been a good ending to the series, the last 2 movies.......I can't watch more then 20 minutes of either
3 hammered in the inevitability of Skynet. It wasn't a perfect film, but it did make sense. Skynet is destined to be created and it is destined to be destroyed. I personally believe there was at least 1 other timeline before that of T1. One where there was no John Conner. In this original timeline, Skynet was created without the assistance of the T-800's remains. The T-800 (or a similar model) was sent back to kill the leader of that timeline. Reese (or an equivalent person) was sent back and ended up fathering John, creating or eventually creating that T1 timeline. This may not have happened right away, but iteratively as things in the past changed each time; eventually leading to T1. This still ties to the inevitability of Skynet's creation and destruction. One of my favorite things about 3 is the fact that John went off the grid so well that Skynet couldn't find him. So it did the next logical thing, it started picking off of the other generals it could find. This made perfect sense. It is adapting and trying to prevent its destruction.
I believe that if you want to end Terminator, then do a 0 Point story (A story where the heroes and villains travel to 0 Point, the origin point where all alternate timeline worlds are made from). Now I don't exactly feel like explaining the full detailed consequences of messing with such a world, but long story short, you can literally wipe out all of existence.
As a kid I loved Terminator 3, even a little bit more than Terminator 2, probably because I was a kid. But as I grew older I love Terminator 2 more as it should be, and I do agree that T3 is a better sequel than what we got in Dark Fate.
The franchise is a trilogy, The Terminator, Judgment Day and Rise of the Machines. You only have to verify, there has never been a numbered Terminator "4 5 6". (:
T2 doesn't hold any nostalgia for me and I hated Furlong's voice as it's screechy. I prefer T3 and Genisys, and Dark Fate makes no sense as how would a Skynet Terminator know when and where Legion was sending its Terminators. I like the assault on Skynet in Genisys and that the flipped it making Connor Skynet's best hope, at least they didn't kill him off on a beach some which was in poor taste IMO.
Yeah i have more nostalgia for T3 than T2 since T3 came out when i was young so i grew up with it. Even taking away nostalgia though i still find T3 objectively superior to T2 in nearly every way. I've come around on genisys but it's still meh. As for killing john it actually makes perfect sense since T2 made him irreverent with it's mess of a story.
When Connor revives the T-850 in Redemption's future war scene by putting its chip in another Terminator terminator model. "Do you know who I am?" John Conner, leader of the Resistance. "What's your mission?" To ensure the survival of John Conner and Katherine Brewster. "Are your new systems coming online?" All combat functions: fully operational. "I was hoping your resurrection would take place under happier circumstances, but it wasn't meant to be. We need you now!" ...No problemo!
Personally that was my first Terminator on big screen, I was born during T1 and a small kid when T2 released so I only saw them on VCR years later. (Yes I saw movies on a VCR during my childhood) And for that reason T3 would stay close to my heart like T2 or T1. For the other iterations, I would say Salvation was a bold sequel but lacked sparkle. The Genisys and Dark Fate are absolute garbage.
I think people are overly harsh on T3 and DF. DF isn't that bad and T3 did some good things, I rewatched it recently and the amount of destruction is impressive and it's not even CG.
In T-3 Sarah Connor is dead, in T-6 Jhon Connor is dead. Can we edit both movies, put togheter and make a best? Whit Sarah and Jhon. I think, I can do.
easy answer. prefer T3 than Dark fate for sure. terminator dark fate is the only terminator movie not in my movie collection. Terminator 3 is in my collection so.
Terminator 3 should have been called the Redemption, .... at the end of the day and today I consider it (despite its flaws), the direct and worthy sequel to T2.
There is an old game named like that, it was released in 2004, for gamecube xbox and ps2, and is a good game if you want a very hard challenge, and the best is that in the ending of the game it shows another butterfly efect, when john recover the cpu of the t-800 from the rubble, and uses in the war to give the t-800a new bfg battle body that helps the resistance Now about the movie, is the correct sequel, because respect the logic and correct conclution of the facts in the franchise. Nothing of those sillyness of whining of the fanboys and the ilogic ending of skynet defeated and a john connor adult with kids.
Great analysis, but i think it over looks some of T3's greater flaws. Salvation had the best concept of any of the post T2 sequals, just poorly executed. DF failed on several levels, well outlined in the video. For me, it made no sense to replace the franchise with a weaker mythology. Always felt that T2 left 2 major back doors into another move. Even if they didnt use them, you could still have got two more sequals that completed the original time loop into a closed set of movies. The boat has now completely sailed on that
I still think this is an Underrated Movie, sure it has Glaws and to me it’s an Alternate Universe, there’s Good Stuff in it that overpowers the Bad, is better than Dark Fate for a Long Mile.
T3 has a lot problems, but I like that movie and it's the true end of the Trilogy. Genesys and Dark Fate are good movies too and they are the alternate timelines for me 😏
In fact just watched T3. In T3 they said Sarah Connor died of leukemia. It's just like when Patrick Duffy thought he was too big for Dallas so the stupid producers killed him off. Then the ratings fell so let's bring him back in a shower and when he comes back you have to forget about the whole last season you've watched and be totally confused when you have to work out why none of it makes sense.
Good, T3 sucked. It's boring. The action sucked. The characters were all losers who have us no reason to care about them. And it completely ignores the hopeful themes of the first two movies to just give us a bleak downer ending that ignores the idea of "we can change the future" that the first two films had.
@@danielarmstrong2144 Nope. The Terminator never had this idea "we can change the future". You're a liar and thus T3 was more faithful to the Terminator than T2 was.
Facts it drives me nuts when people say the message of the first 2 movies were hopeful themes. That was only present in the massively overrated T2 the original clearly portrayed a dark bleak future for humanity that could not be changed. T3 is definitively the most faithful sequel to the original and is the 2nd best film in the franchise while dark fate stays very faithful to a lot of T2's themes. @@leonardeuler9592
I feel Terminator is better as a quadrilogy. It started with T Salvation and ended with T-3. “The future is not set. There is no fate, but what we make for ourselves.” The irony in those words truly haunts you, when you realize the the Connors can not outrun their destiny. Sarah Connor is doomed to die, whether she survives or stops Judgment Day. John Connor is destined to face the very fears and traumas he endured as a child. He is also doomed to die later on in the war, leaving his family to finish the job in his place. Despite ending the war in 2029, Skynet had a contingency plan, as all computers do. It knew it needed to exist, in order to destroy humanity. Whether by purpose or accident, Skynet continued to exist as a precursor to itself in the past. Allow me to explain. Two T-800s left behind remnants of themselves in two different Cyberdyne facilities. The first one left behind it’s CPU and arm, which were found and reverse engineered. The second T-800 left behind an arm as well. Not to mention, the failed attempt to destroy Dyson’s research. Cyberdyne was bought out and became Skynet. Miles succeeded, whether he lived or died. Nothing could stop Skynet from ensuring its own existence. Destiny is like a loop, with no end in sight.
And before anyone finds fault in your logic of the 2 T-800 leaving an arm. I should say remember the scene where the T-1000 crushes T-800s left arm in a giant gear like contraption from which he tears himself out using a metal staff.
I still really liked T3 the third best Rise of the Machines it wasnt perfect not great as the first two but i did enjoy it more then Salvation, Dark Fate, and Genysis for sure I thought it was a good different spin on Terminator after 2.
Terminator 3 is a far more graceful sequel than I'd expect from Hollywood today. I remember the backlash that T3 saw back in the day and it was ultimately wasted on what I always saw as an inoffensive, if unnecessary threequel. Compared to what's come since, T3 is a celebration of the previous films. Even Genisys was better than Dark Fate. It felt like poorly thought out fan-fiction that was in desperate need of a script doctor, but at least it did something new.
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@@dlbyrd-gasca2730 In my opinion it’s dark fate you can say what you want but rise of the machines isn’t canon if you like that movie that’s fine I prefer the timeline where Sarah Connor isn’t dead
Dark fate would've worked far better if it had been a reboot in the sense that the original timeline was averted and there's a new hero/heroine and protector. There's no need for Sarah or the t-800. Or john Connor to be killed. His future is different now. A braver decision would've been to reboot it without bringing those characters back. The newer elements(rev 9, augmented supersoldier, legion instead of sky net, and different leader of the resistance) work great. Its the shoehorning in of Sarah and arnold(not to mention the killing of john) that cripples it. Should've been braver and started a fresh with an entirely new cast as there are some nice ideas in it.
The reason i like T3 is that Skynet is this strange thing that created itself. The computer virus infected skynet and made it into "SKYNET". I dont know if it was intentional but if it was, Chefs Kiss for real. Creating a closed time like loop of sorts in which the only way for an AI to exist is to creates itself.
In T3, the TX terminator is way ahead of it's time. See how she says "I like your car" "I like your Gun". It shows she's from the future way before facebook, twitter Instagram or UA-cam 😂The Rev 9 on dark fate doesn't have that. He's like, I'm legion or something like that. What on Skynet's balls is Legion? It ain't social media I can tell ya that 🤣🤣😂
Lore-wise, it's still possible for Skynet to have been developed in Terminator 3. In Terminator 2, we find out that due to a time Paradox, Skynet would have been developed via reverse engineering. We never really thought about the implications other than it's a loop that's necessary for Skynet to exist. But what if it's not necessary? What if Skynet would have been developed anyway? Here's how and it's called the "Original Timeline" theory: In the original timeline, it's the first one and everything is happening for the very first time where there's no time travel and no Terminator. John Conner is an entirely different person than the John Conner we know in T2 and his father is not Kyle Reese. Skynet was developed by normal means with no reverse engineering of future tech due to time travel. When Skynet sends a Terminator back in time to the first Terminator movie, it created a series of events where Skynet would have been developed *sooner* than it would have originally in the original timeline because of reverse engineering the Terminator Tech. As an unintended consequence, Kyle Reese met Sarah Conner, and the child they conceive is not the same John Conner from the original timeline, but a different person entirely that Sarah decided to _name_ John Conner because of what Kyle Reese told her. When they destroyed all of the research of reverse engineering the Terminator Tech in T2, what it did was that they prevented the scenario where Skynet was developed *sooner* than it was supposed to originally in the original timeline via reverse engineering. With that out of the way, they set the timeline back on its original path (with the exception of Kyle Reese being John Conner's father) where Skynet is developed the way it's supposed to without time travel shenanigans. This theory makes it so that Terminator 3 makes sense as a movie lore-wise and honestly, I like this theory because all the pieces fit to make a great trilogy.
I know it's not perfect, but I genuinely love T3. The ending was perfect too, you simply CAN'T beat judgement day. It makes sense and works very well with the whole story. You can't beat fate. I never understood the hate for this one. Some of it is goofy, but even T2 was goofy in some spots. Also, the T-X felt like a genuine upgrade from the previous terminators. I don't know. I love it lol Thank you for sticking up for it :)
Unless there is a factor that protects the time travelers who caused changes to the timeline (like how Reverse Flash is still in the Arrowverse despite his ancestor's sacrifice because the negative speedforce) the opening minute of Dark Fate doesn't even work
If you watch closely Dark Fate is copy of T3. Its start the same has similiar Terminator who is killed same way. Even this car chase at the beginning is copy of this from T3. Pickup without left door is chased by yellow truck 🤨
The only idea that would of been a worthy after t2 for t3 was being sent to future just like Salvation. If James cameron directed it we could of had an amazing trilogy
To be honest T3 was canon to T2 and that is the event that should take place after T2 same thing like star wars everything taking place in EU is the real canon , also one of the reasons i prefer rise of the machines is judgement day is really inevitable and was explained to John Connor who thought that he actually prevented judgement day and did resolve many plot holes from the previous movie better than dark fate itself i'll be fair if the terminator saga ended with a quadrilogy or a fifth and final movie that showcases the final part of the war between man and machine where John Connor after he realized that Kyle Reese did his task perfectly if i made the fifth movie i would start it with time travel scene , show Skynet's last contingency plan against this attempt , John being paranoid about him not existing and Reese potential failure and its consequences only to end it with signs of relieve that John survival is ensured , him overcoming the fact that he cannot prevent judgement day , accept the present , ending the war and the movie would be ended and the whole saga would finished or a plot twist that Reese's time travel actually created a paradox .Dark Fate is just this "I dOn'T NeEd No MaN " fantasy Edit : I've seen of the Dark Fate scenes when the woman was fighting Rev9 how the hell did she not crash her hands while the TX almost crashed John's leg in T3 ?
T3 is the logic sequel and option, because there is the only better way. I mean. Many knows the non released final escene of T2, where john is adult and with kids, seen by a old sara connor. This ending is ilogic forn one simply reason and motive. And this is john connor itself. The simply presense of him make stupid and nonsense that skynet was defeated permanent. If skynet is defeated only will cause one possible result and this is that john connor cannot exists in the past for any reason or method. By mere logic if there is no war, then there is no time machine, and no kyle reeses going back yo 1984 to get sara connor pregnant. Basically is the grandpa paradox. T3 for me is the logic next step, because shows that if connor still exist, the skynet and the war will too, and it was about dam time to show and move out to the part of the war. Yes T4 o T salvation is something i really like and want to see. I always want to see the part of the war, no matter if was in 1 or 2 movies. But this is something that saddly i will never goin to see, thanks to the stupid fanboys of T2.
I just finished watching T3 (again) and can echo some of the thoughts above: It's totally underrated, a dark gift of a sequel to T2 that really didn't pull any punches! But I can't slag on the other movies, I have loved every single one (including Genisys, where the mistake was in the casting of Reese and an overly-complicated plot, but not in the bonkers ideas or most of the performances) and the Sarah Connor Chronicles. In DF, though it could be viewed as lazy writing, the idea that Skynet is reborn as Legion is simply a continuation of the darker themes introduced in T3 and onward--that some form of AI-based menace will take over no matter what we do. Finally, T3 gave us an adult John Connor, while DF killed John Connor. Sure I love the character, but I wasn't bothered by his death ON ITS FACE--my issue was that he was simply replaced by another leader whose fate (heh, pun intended) I was not particularly interested in. Claire Danes was believable as somebody who would evolve into a competent leader, one who would have to take over when her husband was killed. On the other hand, we're not given a great deal to go on in terms of how the young woman in DF would do in the same situation. Ultimately, though, I think DF was actually TRYING to subvert expectations just as T3 did back in the day. And just like T3, I think it will have a popular reevaluation. These movies all have something to offer, and given the current amazing pace of AI, they are also still relevent.
Realistically speaking, why would cyberdyne's entire data be kept in one building and location. Of course someone in the company would salvage it for future use.
Terminator Genisys had a lot of neat ideas that could have made for a great movie if the writers were given time to polish up their script more, and I appreciate it on those merits. T3 was my favorite movie in the franchise and I loved its themes on inevitability and fate. Dark Fate was disappointing, and I *really* hate how they wasted the chance to capitalize on Gabriel Luna's amazing acting talents. He's performed so much better elsewhere, and it was really apparent he was held back by the script.
Having just watched all six, each movie one week apart. I would say 1 - 4 were great. Salvation just needed the post apocalyptic look seen in the flash forwards of the first two movies. Despite cloning the format of 2, some real script writing thought went in to 3, something not seen in modern movies. The ending was possibly the best of all the franchise. 5 isn't canon, but still fun to watch as a spinoff. I agree with other commentators that 6 was pointless with Sarah Connor. The actress should have returned for 3 if she was going to revisit the franchise or even 4. 6 was also 'made for a modern audience' and added practically nothing new. I read that Cameron has hinted he is going to make more, but I feel they are just milking this franchise now, and Hollywood script writers need to work harder on originality, and not just endlessly rely on rehashing ideas from the 70's/80's to cater for what they believe is todays audience.
i dont mind the terminator dark fate but its not bad the terminator 3 rise of the machines was 100 times better then the terminator dark fate same as the terminator genisys is also 100 times better then the terminator dark fate but i dont mind watching the terminator dark fate again theres some things i hate but the action scenes saves the movie
I don’t get at all why people hate T3 I get that T2 was miles better but that does not take the fact that T3 was a decent movie. Reason why T2 was miles better was because it basically surpassed expectations so yeah. T3 is easily tied with Salvation for 3rd place in the best terminator movies
I loved terminator 1 2 3 5 and 6 they were all amazing i hope 7 wont be a failure because of u people that keet criticizing i watched t3 so many times i loved it same as the rest of the terminator movies
Kate Brewster is way more better than Dani Ramos. 💯 Kate's father is way more better than Dani's father. 💯 And Kate's fiancé is way more better than Dani's brother. 💯
Not only is T3 the better sequel than dark fate. It is the best sequel in the entire franchise and 2nd only to the original. All of dark fates issues actually line up perfectly with all the ideas and themes cameron threw into T2. Unpopular opinion, i know, but i stand behind it 100%.
You're delusional. T2 is not only the best Terminator movie but easily one of the best action flicks of all time. T3 was just a half baked remake of T2 that did everything significantly worse than its predecessor and kickstarted the rapid decline of the franchise.
@AlvinEarthworm I'm not delusional, and T2 isn't even close to being the best terminator film T1 and T3 easily surpass it. I don't care how groundbreaking or revolutionary T2 was as a film. The story and the ideas it inserted into the franchise I didn't like or care for at all. Not to mention how it completely contradicted and ruined T1, which is the far superior film. T3 wasn't a half-baked remake of T2 that was significantly worse than its predecessor. What you accuse T3 of is exactly what T2 is. T3 is really a better, more mature T2. There is nothing that T2 does better than T3. T3 had the far superior script, better effects, better score, better pacing, better portryal of john connor, better portrayal of the terminator, and the better antagonist. Which is one of the few things T2 actually did right. Terminator was never intended to be a franchise anyway narratively, it should have only been T1 with no sequels, but with the sequels, it should have ended with T3. BTW T2 is responsible for the mess of the franchise T3 cleaned it up well and corrected course, but T2 was the film that ruined the terminator and started the jokey corny humor that people lothe in T3. Then you have dark fate, which just further expands on the mess that T2 made by killing john connor since T2 made him irrelevant and giving us carl, who is just an extension of Uncle Bob.
They shouldve just continued christian bale's salvation trilogy and market the movies better these companies need to stop rebooting their franchises when the numbers get lower than expected because it 100% backfires on them and the box office numbers for genisys and dark fate show
@@MISTER_ROBERTS I know, im just saying they couldve done the salvation trilogy and marketed their movies better i didnt even know the movie was in theaters if i had known id have went to see it 10 times. They couldve done dark fate type movies too but they need to finish salvation trilogy in theaters it has potential to be better than star wars.
Terminator 3 is superior too dark fate because it didn't throw away what everyone loved now we need a second Terminator 4 that can act as a prequel to Terminator salvation and explore the beginnings of the war with the machines moving away from the standard Terminator formula that dark fate and Genesis fallow they could even throw in M.I.R from the comic books the Russian version of Skynet it'll also be cool if it ever comes to be to see Skynet's character development because as we seen in Terminator salvation Skynet does have a personality so it would be cool to explore that and see it develop!
@@DesertsofHibernia Of course, looking back on what I said I don't think the Terminator 4 prequel was necessary maybe I'll was a little excited for lore, Terminator 3 does make sense to me because Skynet still exist regardless the government still had research cyberdyne provided, because it's still exists it has the opportunity to do all things that it did to the past because if it ended at T2, there would be a future war John sent back Kyle Reese or the T-800 that just protected him, the timeline would reset and start again and over and over again. Or completely destroy it!
@@DesertsofHibernia Dark Fate's timeline it's a confusing mess, in this one the timeline did not reset and it's still going, now Skynet made and sent back the T-800 so that was not the doing of Legion, but if Skynet no longer exists T-800 cannot be made but the timeline would have to reset again because then with John dead it's Skynet can rain supreme, but that's a yes and no Legion cannot exist here because of the research at cyberdyne but if John Connor is not a threat I would scan it even know of it he's probably happy about running around the city and then a T3 nuke comes, what if John's not related to the war Kyle Reese cannot be sent back because the future survivors do not care about John family and have no connection Kyle Reese may still exist but not in the same way, which means Terminator 1and 2 cannot happen
@@DesertsofHibernia the character development is between John and Catherine Brewster they hated each other and we're opposites but eventually learned how to deal with one another and get along, the REV-9 is definitely more intelligent but it has to be like that to be a convincing infiltrator in the modern day I'm pretty sure nobody in the 1980s wouldn't mind an Austrian bodybuilder walking around the streets for no reason with a shotgun in his jacket probably, the T-X though was not designed as an infiltrator and would only use its infiltration capabilities if it were necessary it was designed to destroy other Terminators that the resistance reprogrammed, it even had the built-in weaponry view of which were capable of destroying a T-1000 and was also stronger than an industrial grade hydraulic press, they're both not without their flaws, the REV-9 is a bit too lightweight in my opinion that thing was being thrown around like a rag doll and it did not absorb gun fire well nor kinetic energy attacks it was sure durable but that was a huge flaw in my opinion the T-800 for an example weighs 310 lb it absorbed a lot of damage that came its way so it could keep running at you, I also noticed that both the REV-9 and the T-X are basically coated in carbon with the T-X being armored with diamonds and hyper alloy REV-9 has a mixture of an unknown alloy that's covered with either carbon fiber or graphene on top but enough comparing Terminators I just want to have my fun! Both movies have their up and downs they both have character development from your point of view I understand the what if this happened is a very cool concept it alternate timelines are always interesting I ultimately prefer T3 because it's stuck to the story did not throw away what was left behind and led to a different Terminator formula that unfortunately did not get a sequel!
T3 threw away the tone that everyone loved and turned Terminator into a parody of itself. They are both shit films, but I don't think you can claim T3 doesn't "throw away" what everyone loved. I mean we don't even get the Terminator theme in this film. But we do get Arnold putting on pink sunglasses and making bad jokes.
T3 is a tongue in cheek, pointless repeat of T2 but at least it doesn't shit all over the previous movies the way Dark Fart does. The ending of T3 is quite poignant when the bombs drop too.
@@FlickeringMyth Fuck no! The ending of T3 was awful and completely shits on the ending of T2. It was the absolute worst possible payoff you could have for what was literally a shittier recycled version of the previous masterpiece. FUCK T3!
I think it's a good ending, but how does it not shit all over the previous films lol? It's weird that people will say that about Dark Fate but completely give T3 a pass. They both shit all over the franchise. T3 undoes everything we were told in T2. I mean what's the point of lowering Arnold into the steel if you can't stop JD? And T3 was the film that double down on the bad comedy. The T800, who was once considered one of the most bad ass characters ever put to film, puts on pink sunglasses and makes a "talk to the hand" joke but you don't think that shits on the previous films? How about a villain with inflatable tits lol? I think Dark Fate is shit but crazy to give a pass to all of T3's flaws.
T2 ruined it by shitting all over the original and T2 introduced the silly humor, corny one liners, and neutered the T-800. Yeah T3 shits on T2's message but it actually stays faithful to the original. T2 gets a pass for doing the same things people shit on and rage about in T3. Dark fate is a faithful sequel to T2 both T2 and dark fate aren't really good both films are vastly inferior to T1 and T3. Inflatable tits isn't even a issue it's tactical and perfectly logical for the T-X there is nothing wrong with the sexualization of the T-X and it's nothing new anyway. Sexualization has been present in the franchise since the original the only difference is in T3 it's more appealing to men. I'm not saying T3 doesn't have some flaws it does but they are minor it's nothing compared to T2's mess and dark fate only expands upon those themes even more so. @@faz1483
Terminator 3, despite all the crap from Cameron about it, "not being part of his universe", is still a great standalone movie. Salvation: Crap. Genisys: Not too bad. Dark Fate, like Godfather 3, is a paycheck movie and little else 😒
Oh T3 is wayyyyy better than Dark Fate, Dark Fate was a total waste of potential. I would much rather have seen them continue with the Genisys messy timeline stuff at least that was entertaining T3 is solid has a cringe monent that has hurt it I think but otherwise as a sequel to one of the gratest films ever made it does a good job 8/10 as for Dark Fate 2/10
That would be T2. T3 is not a good film. It's basically a parody of T2 with bad comedy. They don't even play the Terminator theme until the end credits. T2 was the last true film in the franchise.
Rise of The Machines is a MUCH more enjoyable watch than Dark Fate. I remember watching it for the first time when it came out and I was not expecting the twist ending at all. Dark Fate doesn’t make any sense at all. So, this bad ass Sarah Connor who we all know and love is happy to work alongside the same terminator that murdered her boy that she tried so hard to save? Terminators took away the man she loved and the son she lived for. There’s no way the real Sarah Connor would be caught dead shooting alongside a terminator. I’m sorry but nobody involved in this movie had any respect for the mythology of the franchise at all. James Cameron clearly doesn’t even know his own creation 😂
There's nothing good about Dark Fate, it's just weird woke propaganda. Lol they made it unappealing as possible with ugly actors and that weird Dylan Roof looking Terminator. Also, the CGI looks horrible in Dark Fate, really overused whereas T3 used it appropriately. T3 wasn't that good, but Dark Fate makes it look like a masterpiece.
Well actually, both movies (T3 and T6) are bad..... Only T1 and T2 are exceptional/phenomenal movies!!! After T2, the only question, the only matter to be solved is "Which of the rest of the franchise, is the WORST" !!! or "Rate T3 to T6 from bad to worst", or "Match the words 'bad΄, ΄awful΄, ΄garbage΄, ΄disapponting΄ , with the movies T3, T4, T5, T6" . IMHO....
Terminator, T2, 3, and Salvation basically make a perfect time loop
I dont know why some people did not like Terminator 3 but I personally loved it.
Yes for sure it is easily the best one after the first two.
James Cameron didn't get to make it so he went on to create a hissy fit film for number 4 then 5 just didn't make any sense just like number 4 so he trie to reboot the storyline by rewriting the ending of number 2. I just wish 4-6 just followed 3 and each other. by showing us how she sent Kyle and the other T-850 back to save his Mom and himself. they could have ended the whole thing by showing Skynet was destroyed and then all the Terminators became like an Xbox One useless without a link to Skynet.
It's because it's seen as pointless all because judgement day is inevitable. I like it the movie compared to any other sequels to t2. I like the ability of the tx to hack machinery one of skynet pet peeves is when a terminator hacked so skynet made their weakness a strength here!!
@@crazycoinbox6078 “Terminator Salvation” did follow “Rise of the Machines”
I dislike it because it's just a repeat of T2 but more tongue in cheek. The only part I liked was the bombs dropping at the end.
T3 has a bold ending, which is rarely seen in Hollywood today. Don’t get me wrong, the movie has issues (self parody, tonal differences from the previous movies, campy/unnecessary corny humor), but overall the movie adds to the Terminator saga and provides some new developments in the story.
Couldn’t agree more.
T3 was actually alright compared to T5 and T6 I don't know about T4 cause I have only watched a bit
T3 rise of the machines is the best sequel after t2
Fully agreed with you! 💯
After re-watching T3 I agree that it's far better than DF! If you think about it, if you prevent the invention of a revolutionary technology, say the transistor, than you're only delaying it's inevitable invention and therefore only postponing judgement day. Once I figured that out, T3 became a pretty great movie in my opinion.
Someone developing a transistor is a lot different than specifically creating Skynet. Of course AI was always on the horizon. But it's a bit nonsensical to say that a specific company named Skynet will exist no matter what, and create cybernetic organisms that look like Arnold that will be sent back in time and try to take over the world.
But take out that nonsense and we still have a bad parody of T2 with Arnold putting on pink sunglasses and inflatable breast.
Perfectly stated! T3 has always been my personal favourite in the franchise (controversial, I know) and I completely agree it's miles better than DF. Nick Stahl was a great, relatable John Connor and the T-X was a truly intimidating villain. That beautifully bleak ending with Judgement Day finally happening just can't be topped as a bookend to the trilogy.
Terminator 3's ending still shocks me to this day. Like the heroes essentially lost and there was no sequel planned for immediately after how to fix everything. Then Salvation felt like the right direction to take.
It was a great ending.
I love the ending
T1-Salvation is what I consider to be the Terminator franchise.
@@Ludwig1970 same those I consider canon not darkfate or genisys but I am not gonna lie I love terminator zero its really good.
People are harsh on T-3 because it came after T-2 which was god-tier movie, so people expected more from T-3.
T-6 was utter crap but it came after T-5 which was also crappy, so people didn't expect much before watching T-6.
T-3 is much better than T-6 as sequel and as a movie.
T-6 literally just took a huge dump all over the franchise and the fans.
People are harsh on T3 because it's a bad film. I mean what Terminator fan ever ask for Arnold to put pink glasses on and say "talk to the hand"? And it undoes so much what was set up in T2 while then retreading the same plot, only with bad comedy. I mean why lower Arnold into the steel at all in T2 if you can't stop judgement day?
I agree T6 takes a dump all over the franchise, but so does T3 - T6! I don't understand how Dark Fate shits on the franchise but T3 doesn't. T3 doesn't even respect the franchise enough to use the Terminator theme. Everything post T2 completely shits on the franchise.
@@faz1483 There are good reasons why T3 doesn’t take a dump on the franchise while DF does. For example, in T3, John Connor wasn’t killed off whereas in DF, he was and decision to kill off John Connor just makes DF a rather much worse film on T3 and not only that, but this decision was even worse than the decision of the creators of Star Wars: The Last Jedi to kill off Luke Skywalker because the decision made for DF was the killing of a kid as he didn’t live long enough to see the future (Tim Miller should be ashamed of himself for this shit that he decided to promote).
@@yusufdunphy5402 Where are the reasons T3 doesn't take a dump on the franchise? You only listed reasons why DF was terrible. They are both terrible. I mean your defense of T3 is they don't kill John?
In what universe is Arnold putting on pink starred sunglasses and saying "talk to the hand" not dumping on the franchise? Or how about the TX's tits inflating to massive size? This franchise started out as a Sci-Fi slasher film, now we have inflatable tits and talk to the hand jokes lol? Or how about the fact T2 tells us they stop Judgement Day and lower Arnold into the steel as a result. Yet in T3 they go back and say it actually can't be stopped, meaning lowering Arnold into the steel was pointless. And I could go on and on. Detailing why DF is bad does not make T3 a good film.
And It's not just Tim Miller, James Cameron had plenty of bad ideas when it comes to DF as well. Don't be fooled into thinking this was 100% Tim Miller. Cameron was fully on board with killing John and the rest of the nonsense. Cameron just said last month Terminator should move away from killer robots.
T3 is awesome. It brings new stuff while still being true to T2. Sarah's tribute was amazing.
There is not much new here its a bad Remake of T2
How is it true to T2? It undoes most everything we were told in T2. Why even lower Arnold into the steel if you can't stop Skynet? From a story standpoint T3 makes no sense based on T2.
T3 is basically a bad parody of T2.
@Johnny Thane What does DF have to do with anything? DF is garbage, just like T3.
I'm not retroactively going back and pretending T3 was a good film just because DF was also garbage. I mean we can debate which pile of shit smells worse, but at the end of the day we are still dealing with piles of shit.
@@faz1483 Emmm what things undo? In the same logic of the first movie, its imposible to stop skynet, no matter what skynet or can be stalled or the franchise has to move to the war part, with it obviuos changes, becasue T2 has the bad thing that it create a butterfly effect, so thats the only thing that can stall skynet a little.
So what is supose to undo? If you are thinking in the second final scene that never was released, then let me tell you that this ending is a nonsens and a contradiction at all.
Skynet, and the judmend day cannot be erased, because is the gandpa paradox itself.
@@rozenchannel When did they say it was impossible to stop skynet from happening in the first film? They never even brought up the idea of erasing it from existence until the 2nd film.
That butterfly effect nonsense is what T3 tries to sell you to justify its own existence, and fails miserably. In T2 we are told we can stop Judgment Day, and they do! So much so that they have to lower Arnold into the steel. These rules are established. If this idea that Judgment Day can't be stopped already existed then why lower Arnold into the steel lol!??? It makes the ending of T2 pointless.
The only reason Judgment Day wasn't stopped was because they wanted to milk the franchise with more sequels. Again, show me where they say JD can't be stopped in the first two films. That is not a concept until T3. Cameron established rules for his films. T3 breaks them.
the ending forgives any sins in T3. I love that flick
Terminator 3 is my guilty pleasure. Definetly not as good as the first, but it's acceptable.
' our destiny was never to stop judgement day it was merely to survive it.'
TX was great. I wish they did more with that terminator model type
T1-2-3 in that order and that is the end.
I love T1 and T2 so much. Love the Sarah Connor Chronicles series and T3 Rise of the Mashines. That's how i watch the Terminator series then i do. Sometimes i add Salvation just for the kicks.
T3 fight scenes are just 🔥💥
Terminator 3 is easily the best Terminator sequel since T2
1 and 2 were perfect, 3 while not being as good as the first 2, is not nearly as bad as it's made out to be, and the ending of 3 is tied with 2 as being as good, salvation wasn't terrible, and honestly I appreciate that it did something actually different and it would have been a good ending to the series, the last 2 movies.......I can't watch more then 20 minutes of either
3 hammered in the inevitability of Skynet. It wasn't a perfect film, but it did make sense. Skynet is destined to be created and it is destined to be destroyed.
I personally believe there was at least 1 other timeline before that of T1. One where there was no John Conner. In this original timeline, Skynet was created without the assistance of the T-800's remains. The T-800 (or a similar model) was sent back to kill the leader of that timeline. Reese (or an equivalent person) was sent back and ended up fathering John, creating or eventually creating that T1 timeline. This may not have happened right away, but iteratively as things in the past changed each time; eventually leading to T1. This still ties to the inevitability of Skynet's creation and destruction.
One of my favorite things about 3 is the fact that John went off the grid so well that Skynet couldn't find him. So it did the next logical thing, it started picking off of the other generals it could find. This made perfect sense. It is adapting and trying to prevent its destruction.
I believe that if you want to end Terminator, then do a 0 Point story (A story where the heroes and villains travel to 0 Point, the origin point where all alternate timeline worlds are made from). Now I don't exactly feel like explaining the full detailed consequences of messing with such a world, but long story short, you can literally wipe out all of existence.
I think the perfect ending to this franchise was given to us in T2. We don't need anything else. It was wrapped up perfectly
As a kid I loved Terminator 3, even a little bit more than Terminator 2, probably because I was a kid. But as I grew older I love Terminator 2 more as it should be, and I do agree that T3 is a better sequel than what we got in Dark Fate.
The franchise is a trilogy, The Terminator, Judgment Day and Rise of the Machines.
You only have to verify, there has never been a numbered Terminator "4 5 6". (:
i liked t3 tbf
Yeah
The best T3 was that Terminator Time War attraction in Universal during the late 90s.
i remember that ride.
The best T3 is T3: The Redemption.
T2 doesn't hold any nostalgia for me and I hated Furlong's voice as it's screechy. I prefer T3 and Genisys, and Dark Fate makes no sense as how would a Skynet Terminator know when and where Legion was sending its Terminators. I like the assault on Skynet in Genisys and that the flipped it making Connor Skynet's best hope, at least they didn't kill him off on a beach some which was in poor taste IMO.
Yeah i have more nostalgia for T3 than T2 since T3 came out when i was young so i grew up with it. Even taking away nostalgia though i still find T3 objectively superior to T2 in nearly every way. I've come around on genisys but it's still meh. As for killing john it actually makes perfect sense since T2 made him irreverent with it's mess of a story.
I would have perfered a T4 or a Mini Series about Jugdment Day Between Team John vs Team Skynet, but Young Kyle has to be the main character.
Bout to give t3 another shot.
kristana Lokem was hot and scary.
But you gotta admit. The Rev-9 being able to split its body is cool.
Well to me Salvation is the best terminator sequel after T2. But I agree that T3 is ten times better than Genisys and Dark Fate.
When Connor revives the T-850 in Redemption's future war scene by putting its chip in another Terminator terminator model.
"Do you know who I am?"
John Conner, leader of the Resistance.
"What's your mission?"
To ensure the survival of John Conner and Katherine Brewster.
"Are your new systems coming online?"
All combat functions: fully operational.
"I was hoping your resurrection would take place under happier circumstances, but it wasn't meant to be. We need you now!"
...No problemo!
Personally that was my first Terminator on big screen, I was born during T1 and a small kid when T2 released so I only saw them on VCR years later. (Yes I saw movies on a VCR during my childhood) And for that reason T3 would stay close to my heart like T2 or T1. For the other iterations, I would say Salvation was a bold sequel but lacked sparkle. The Genisys and Dark Fate are absolute garbage.
I watch T3 on opening weekend
I think people are overly harsh on T3 and DF. DF isn't that bad and T3 did some good things, I rewatched it recently and the amount of destruction is impressive and it's not even CG.
T3 is far superior to bs DF and there's absolutely no arguing in that.
In T-3 Sarah Connor is dead, in T-6 Jhon Connor is dead.
Can we edit both movies, put togheter and make a best?
Whit Sarah and Jhon.
I think, I can do.
easy answer. prefer T3 than Dark fate for sure. terminator dark fate is the only terminator movie not in my movie collection. Terminator 3 is in my collection so.
Terminator 3 should have been called the Redemption, .... at the end of the day and today I consider it (despite its flaws), the direct and worthy sequel to T2.
There is an old game named like that, it was released in 2004, for gamecube xbox and ps2, and is a good game if you want a very hard challenge, and the best is that in the ending of the game it shows another butterfly efect, when john recover the cpu of the t-800 from the rubble, and uses in the war to give the t-800a new bfg battle body that helps the resistance
Now about the movie, is the correct sequel, because respect the logic and correct conclution of the facts in the franchise. Nothing of those sillyness of whining of the fanboys and the ilogic ending of skynet defeated and a john connor adult with kids.
i think T3 should be the conclusion and stop there .
Nah, Terminator Final Battle Comics [Scrapped T-Salvation Sequels] would be it.
Of course! T3 is awesome
T3 was good.
(T-1 / T-70 / T-400 / T-500 / T-600 / T-700 / T-800 /T-850 / T-888 / T-900 / T-950 / T-1000 / T-1001 / T-1002 / TX / T-3000 / T-4800 / T-5000 / T-8000 / T-MEG / REV-7 / REV-9) ALL THE TERMINATORS MODEL SERIES IN THE NEXT GENERATION HUNTERS SOLDIER MACHINES
You're forgetting T-1000000, the giant liquid metal spider from "Terminator 2 The Ride".
Terminator is one of the Few Franchise that Transition from Sci-Fi Horror to Sci-Fi Action.
Alien Franchise: you forgot us
To Sci-FI Comedy
3 would be awesome. If the goofey parts can be cut out. Ide buy it and fully accept it as a complete trilogy.
Great analysis, but i think it over looks some of T3's greater flaws.
Salvation had the best concept of any of the post T2 sequals, just poorly executed.
DF failed on several levels, well outlined in the video. For me, it made no sense to replace the franchise with a weaker mythology.
Always felt that T2 left 2 major back doors into another move. Even if they didnt use them, you could still have got two more sequals that completed the original time loop into a closed set of movies. The boat has now completely sailed on that
Man that would've been the best sci-fi trilogy to ever exist.
Imagine having if we had a closed-loop Cameron Terminator quad-rilogy.
I still think this is an Underrated Movie, sure it has Glaws and to me it’s an Alternate Universe, there’s Good Stuff in it that overpowers the Bad, is better than Dark Fate for a Long Mile.
T3 has a lot problems, but I like that movie and it's the true end of the Trilogy. Genesys and Dark Fate are good movies too and they are the alternate timelines for me 😏
Was let down by Dark Fate. You basically had to forget about Terminator 3.
In fact just watched T3. In T3 they said Sarah Connor died of leukemia. It's just like when Patrick Duffy thought he was too big for Dallas so the stupid producers killed him off. Then the ratings fell so let's bring him back in a shower and when he comes back you have to forget about the whole last season you've watched and be totally confused when you have to work out why none of it makes sense.
Yes, they ignored all of the sequels after T2 with Dark Fate, similar to what happened with Halloween.
Good, T3 sucked. It's boring. The action sucked. The characters were all losers who have us no reason to care about them. And it completely ignores the hopeful themes of the first two movies to just give us a bleak downer ending that ignores the idea of "we can change the future" that the first two films had.
@@danielarmstrong2144
Nope. The Terminator never had this idea "we can change the future". You're a liar and thus T3 was more faithful to the Terminator than T2 was.
Facts it drives me nuts when people say the message of the first 2 movies were hopeful themes. That was only present in the massively overrated T2 the original clearly portrayed a dark bleak future for humanity that could not be changed. T3 is definitively the most faithful sequel to the original and is the 2nd best film in the franchise while dark fate stays very faithful to a lot of T2's themes. @@leonardeuler9592
I feel Terminator is better as a quadrilogy. It started with T Salvation and ended with T-3.
“The future is not set. There is no fate, but what we make for ourselves.”
The irony in those words truly haunts you, when you realize the the Connors can not outrun their destiny. Sarah Connor is doomed to die, whether she survives or stops Judgment Day. John Connor is destined to face the very fears and traumas he endured as a child. He is also doomed to die later on in the war, leaving his family to finish the job in his place.
Despite ending the war in 2029, Skynet had a contingency plan, as all computers do. It knew it needed to exist, in order to destroy humanity. Whether by purpose or accident, Skynet continued to exist as a precursor to itself in the past. Allow me to explain.
Two T-800s left behind remnants of themselves in two different Cyberdyne facilities. The first one left behind it’s CPU and arm, which were found and reverse engineered. The second T-800 left behind an arm as well. Not to mention, the failed attempt to destroy Dyson’s research.
Cyberdyne was bought out and became Skynet. Miles succeeded, whether he lived or died. Nothing could stop Skynet from ensuring its own existence. Destiny is like a loop, with no end in sight.
And before anyone finds fault in your logic of the 2 T-800 leaving an arm. I should say remember the scene where the T-1000 crushes T-800s left arm in a giant gear like contraption from which he tears himself out using a metal staff.
I still really liked T3 the third best Rise of the Machines it wasnt perfect not great as the first two but i did enjoy it more then Salvation, Dark Fate, and Genysis for sure I thought it was a good different spin on Terminator after 2.
Terminator 3 is a far more graceful sequel than I'd expect from Hollywood today. I remember the backlash that T3 saw back in the day and it was ultimately wasted on what I always saw as an inoffensive, if unnecessary threequel. Compared to what's come since, T3 is a celebration of the previous films.
Even Genisys was better than Dark Fate. It felt like poorly thought out fan-fiction that was in desperate need of a script doctor, but at least it did something new.
Which is the better T2 follow-up - Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines or Terminator: Dark Fate? Let us know!
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Dark fate
@@zombiexslayer614 Rise of the Machines!
@@dlbyrd-gasca2730 In my opinion it’s dark fate you can say what you want but rise of the machines isn’t canon if you like that movie that’s fine I prefer the timeline where Sarah Connor isn’t dead
@@zombiexslayer614 Dark fate's not, "canon" & I prefer the timeline where John Connor isn't dead!
@@zombiexslayer614 but dark fate is not Canon too
Dark fate would've worked far better if it had been a reboot in the sense that the original timeline was averted and there's a new hero/heroine and protector. There's no need for Sarah or the t-800. Or john Connor to be killed. His future is different now. A braver decision would've been to reboot it without bringing those characters back. The newer elements(rev 9, augmented supersoldier, legion instead of sky net, and different leader of the resistance) work great. Its the shoehorning in of Sarah and arnold(not to mention the killing of john) that cripples it. Should've been braver and started a fresh with an entirely new cast as there are some nice ideas in it.
still waiting for Robocop vs Terminator movie. 💰
The reason i like T3 is that Skynet is this strange thing that created itself. The computer virus infected skynet and made it into "SKYNET". I dont know if it was intentional but if it was, Chefs Kiss for real. Creating a closed time like loop of sorts in which the only way for an AI to exist is to creates itself.
In T3, the TX terminator is way ahead of it's time. See how she says "I like your car" "I like your Gun". It shows she's from the future way before facebook, twitter Instagram or UA-cam 😂The Rev 9 on dark fate doesn't have that. He's like, I'm legion or something like that. What on Skynet's balls is Legion? It ain't social media I can tell ya that 🤣🤣😂
Lore-wise, it's still possible for Skynet to have been developed in Terminator 3. In Terminator 2, we find out that due to a time Paradox, Skynet would have been developed via reverse engineering. We never really thought about the implications other than it's a loop that's necessary for Skynet to exist.
But what if it's not necessary? What if Skynet would have been developed anyway? Here's how and it's called the "Original Timeline" theory:
In the original timeline, it's the first one and everything is happening for the very first time where there's no time travel and no Terminator. John Conner is an entirely different person than the John Conner we know in T2 and his father is not Kyle Reese. Skynet was developed by normal means with no reverse engineering of future tech due to time travel.
When Skynet sends a Terminator back in time to the first Terminator movie, it created a series of events where Skynet would have been developed *sooner* than it would have originally in the original timeline because of reverse engineering the Terminator Tech.
As an unintended consequence, Kyle Reese met Sarah Conner, and the child they conceive is not the same John Conner from the original timeline, but a different person entirely that Sarah decided to _name_ John Conner because of what Kyle Reese told her.
When they destroyed all of the research of reverse engineering the Terminator Tech in T2, what it did was that they prevented the scenario where Skynet was developed *sooner* than it was supposed to originally in the original timeline via reverse engineering.
With that out of the way, they set the timeline back on its original path (with the exception of Kyle Reese being John Conner's father) where Skynet is developed the way it's supposed to without time travel shenanigans.
This theory makes it so that Terminator 3 makes sense as a movie lore-wise and honestly, I like this theory because all the pieces fit to make a great trilogy.
I know it's not perfect, but I genuinely love T3. The ending was perfect too, you simply CAN'T beat judgement day. It makes sense and works very well with the whole story. You can't beat fate. I never understood the hate for this one. Some of it is goofy, but even T2 was goofy in some spots. Also, the T-X felt like a genuine upgrade from the previous terminators. I don't know. I love it lol Thank you for sticking up for it :)
Good video! if you add some no-copyright music it will be much better to watch.
Thanks for the feedback.
Unless there is a factor that protects the time travelers who caused changes to the timeline (like how Reverse Flash is still in the Arrowverse despite his ancestor's sacrifice because the negative speedforce) the opening minute of Dark Fate doesn't even work
If you watch closely Dark Fate is copy of T3. Its start the same has similiar Terminator who is killed same way. Even this car chase at the beginning is copy of this from T3. Pickup without left door is chased by yellow truck 🤨
The only idea that would of been a worthy after t2 for t3 was being sent to future just like Salvation. If James cameron directed it we could of had an amazing trilogy
To be honest T3 was canon to T2 and that is the event that should take place after T2 same thing like star wars everything taking place in EU is the real canon , also one of the reasons i prefer rise of the machines is judgement day is really inevitable and was explained to John Connor who thought that he actually prevented judgement day and did resolve many plot holes from the previous movie better than dark fate itself i'll be fair if the terminator saga ended with a quadrilogy or a fifth and final movie that showcases the final part of the war between man and machine where John Connor after he realized that Kyle Reese did his task perfectly if i made the fifth movie i would start it with time travel scene , show Skynet's last contingency plan against this attempt , John being paranoid about him not existing and Reese potential failure and its consequences only to end it with signs of relieve that John survival is ensured , him overcoming the fact that he cannot prevent judgement day , accept the present , ending the war and the movie would be ended and the whole saga would finished or a plot twist that Reese's time travel actually created a paradox .Dark Fate is just this "I dOn'T NeEd No MaN " fantasy
Edit : I've seen of the Dark Fate scenes when the woman was fighting Rev9 how the hell did she not crash her hands while the TX almost crashed John's leg in T3 ?
T3 is the logic sequel and option, because there is the only better way. I mean. Many knows the non released final escene of T2, where john is adult and with kids, seen by a old sara connor.
This ending is ilogic forn one simply reason and motive. And this is john connor itself. The simply presense of him make stupid and nonsense that skynet was defeated permanent. If skynet is defeated only will cause one possible result and this is that john connor cannot exists in the past for any reason or method. By mere logic if there is no war, then there is no time machine, and no kyle reeses going back yo 1984 to get sara connor pregnant. Basically is the grandpa paradox.
T3 for me is the logic next step, because shows that if connor still exist, the skynet and the war will too, and it was about dam time to show and move out to the part of the war.
Yes T4 o T salvation is something i really like and want to see. I always want to see the part of the war, no matter if was in 1 or 2 movies. But this is something that saddly i will never goin to see, thanks to the stupid fanboys of T2.
I just finished watching T3 (again) and can echo some of the thoughts above: It's totally underrated, a dark gift of a sequel to T2 that really didn't pull any punches! But I can't slag on the other movies, I have loved every single one (including Genisys, where the mistake was in the casting of Reese and an overly-complicated plot, but not in the bonkers ideas or most of the performances) and the Sarah Connor Chronicles. In DF, though it could be viewed as lazy writing, the idea that Skynet is reborn as Legion is simply a continuation of the darker themes introduced in T3 and onward--that some form of AI-based menace will take over no matter what we do. Finally, T3 gave us an adult John Connor, while DF killed John Connor. Sure I love the character, but I wasn't bothered by his death ON ITS FACE--my issue was that he was simply replaced by another leader whose fate (heh, pun intended) I was not particularly interested in. Claire Danes was believable as somebody who would evolve into a competent leader, one who would have to take over when her husband was killed. On the other hand, we're not given a great deal to go on in terms of how the young woman in DF would do in the same situation. Ultimately, though, I think DF was actually TRYING to subvert expectations just as T3 did back in the day. And just like T3, I think it will have a popular reevaluation. These movies all have something to offer, and given the current amazing pace of AI, they are also still relevent.
Realistically speaking, why would cyberdyne's entire data be kept in one building and location. Of course someone in the company would salvage it for future use.
T3 looks like masterpiece after Dark Fate
I've watched both films on the big screen. Rise of the Machines and Dark Fate were both good, not great.
Jmo dark fate was dogshit
@@beyondz55 As I said, not great.
Yeah is better
Terminator Genisys had a lot of neat ideas that could have made for a great movie if the writers were given time to polish up their script more, and I appreciate it on those merits. T3 was my favorite movie in the franchise and I loved its themes on inevitability and fate. Dark Fate was disappointing, and I *really* hate how they wasted the chance to capitalize on Gabriel Luna's amazing acting talents. He's performed so much better elsewhere, and it was really apparent he was held back by the script.
Having just watched all six, each movie one week apart. I would say 1 - 4 were great. Salvation just needed the post apocalyptic look seen in the flash forwards of the first two movies. Despite cloning the format of 2, some real script writing thought went in to 3, something not seen in modern movies. The ending was possibly the best of all the franchise. 5 isn't canon, but still fun to watch as a spinoff. I agree with other commentators that 6 was pointless with Sarah Connor. The actress should have returned for 3 if she was going to revisit the franchise or even 4. 6 was also 'made for a modern audience' and added practically nothing new. I read that Cameron has hinted he is going to make more, but I feel they are just milking this franchise now, and Hollywood script writers need to work harder on originality, and not just endlessly rely on rehashing ideas from the 70's/80's to cater for what they believe is todays audience.
T3 can be edited into perfection.
So this means if the first Terminator had killed Sarah he would,ve ended up like this one? LoL.
i dont mind the terminator dark fate but its not bad
the terminator 3 rise of the machines was 100 times better then the terminator dark fate
same as the terminator genisys is also 100 times better then the terminator dark fate
but i dont mind watching the terminator dark fate again theres some things i hate but the action scenes saves the movie
I don’t get at all why people hate T3 I get that T2 was miles better but that does not take the fact that T3 was a decent movie. Reason why T2 was miles better was because it basically surpassed expectations so yeah. T3 is easily tied with Salvation for 3rd place in the best terminator movies
I loved terminator 1 2 3 5 and 6 they were all amazing i hope 7 wont be a failure because of u people that keet criticizing i watched t3 so many times i loved it same as the rest of the terminator movies
Kate Brewster is way more better than Dani Ramos. 💯
Kate's father is way more better than Dani's father. 💯
And Kate's fiancé is way more better than Dani's brother. 💯
Not only is T3 the better sequel than dark fate. It is the best sequel in the entire franchise and 2nd only to the original. All of dark fates issues actually line up perfectly with all the ideas and themes cameron threw into T2. Unpopular opinion, i know, but i stand behind it 100%.
You're delusional. T2 is not only the best Terminator movie but easily one of the best action flicks of all time.
T3 was just a half baked remake of T2 that did everything significantly worse than its predecessor and kickstarted the rapid decline of the franchise.
@AlvinEarthworm I'm not delusional, and T2 isn't even close to being the best terminator film T1 and T3 easily surpass it. I don't care how groundbreaking or revolutionary T2 was as a film. The story and the ideas it inserted into the franchise I didn't like or care for at all. Not to mention how it completely contradicted and ruined T1, which is the far superior film.
T3 wasn't a half-baked remake of T2 that was significantly worse than its predecessor. What you accuse T3 of is exactly what T2 is. T3 is really a better, more mature T2. There is nothing that T2 does better than T3. T3 had the far superior script, better effects, better score, better pacing, better portryal of john connor, better portrayal of the terminator, and the better antagonist. Which is one of the few things T2 actually did right. Terminator was never intended to be a franchise anyway narratively, it should have only been T1 with no sequels, but with the sequels, it should have ended with T3.
BTW T2 is responsible for the mess of the franchise T3 cleaned it up well and corrected course, but T2 was the film that ruined the terminator and started the jokey corny humor that people lothe in T3. Then you have dark fate, which just further expands on the mess that T2 made by killing john connor since T2 made him irrelevant and giving us carl, who is just an extension of Uncle Bob.
They shouldve just continued christian bale's salvation trilogy and market the movies better these companies need to stop rebooting their franchises when the numbers get lower than expected because it 100% backfires on them and the box office numbers for genisys and dark fate show
Terminator Salvation had it's trilogy in 2 Novel comics made in 2013-2014
@@MISTER_ROBERTS I know, im just saying they couldve done the salvation trilogy and marketed their movies better i didnt even know the movie was in theaters if i had known id have went to see it 10 times. They couldve done dark fate type movies too but they need to finish salvation trilogy in theaters it has potential to be better than star wars.
Terminator 3 is superior too dark fate because it didn't throw away what everyone loved now we need a second Terminator 4 that can act as a prequel to Terminator salvation and explore the beginnings of the war with the machines moving away from the standard Terminator formula that dark fate and Genesis fallow they could even throw in M.I.R from the comic books the Russian version of Skynet it'll also be cool if it ever comes to be to see Skynet's character development because as we seen in Terminator salvation Skynet does have a personality so it would be cool to explore that and see it develop!
@@DesertsofHibernia Of course, looking back on what I said I don't think the Terminator 4 prequel was necessary maybe I'll was a little excited for lore, Terminator 3 does make sense to me because Skynet still exist regardless the government still had research cyberdyne provided, because it's still exists it has the opportunity to do all things that it did to the past because if it ended at T2, there would be a future war John sent back Kyle Reese or the T-800 that just protected him, the timeline would reset and start again and over and over again.
Or completely destroy it!
@@DesertsofHibernia Dark Fate's timeline it's a confusing mess, in this one the timeline did not reset and it's still going, now Skynet made and sent back the T-800 so that was not the doing of Legion, but if Skynet no longer exists T-800 cannot be made but the timeline would have to reset again because then with John dead it's Skynet can rain supreme, but that's a yes and no Legion cannot exist here because of the research at cyberdyne but if John Connor is not a threat I would scan it even know of it he's probably happy about running around the city and then a T3 nuke comes, what if John's not related to the war Kyle Reese cannot be sent back because the future survivors do not care about John family and have no connection Kyle Reese may still exist but not in the same way, which means Terminator 1and 2 cannot happen
@@DesertsofHibernia the character development is between John and Catherine Brewster they hated each other and we're opposites but eventually learned how to deal with one another and get along, the REV-9 is definitely more intelligent but it has to be like that to be a convincing infiltrator in the modern day I'm pretty sure nobody in the 1980s wouldn't mind an Austrian bodybuilder walking around the streets for no reason with a shotgun in his jacket probably, the T-X though was not designed as an infiltrator and would only use its infiltration capabilities if it were necessary it was designed to destroy other Terminators that the resistance reprogrammed, it even had the built-in weaponry view of which were capable of destroying a T-1000 and was also stronger than an industrial grade hydraulic press, they're both not without their flaws, the REV-9 is a bit too lightweight in my opinion that thing was being thrown around like a rag doll and it did not absorb gun fire well nor kinetic energy attacks it was sure durable but that was a huge flaw in my opinion the T-800 for an example weighs 310 lb it absorbed a lot of damage that came its way so it could keep running at you, I also noticed that both the REV-9 and the T-X are basically coated in carbon with the T-X being armored with diamonds and hyper alloy REV-9 has a mixture of an unknown alloy that's covered with either carbon fiber or graphene on top but enough comparing Terminators I just want to have my fun!
Both movies have their up and downs they both have character development from your point of view I understand the what if this happened is a very cool concept it alternate timelines are always interesting I ultimately prefer T3 because it's stuck to the story did not throw away what was left behind and led to a different Terminator formula that unfortunately did not get a sequel!
@@DesertsofHibernia what else do you do when you have a robot hunting you down!
T3 threw away the tone that everyone loved and turned Terminator into a parody of itself. They are both shit films, but I don't think you can claim T3 doesn't "throw away" what everyone loved. I mean we don't even get the Terminator theme in this film. But we do get Arnold putting on pink sunglasses and making bad jokes.
Every movie made since T2 was better than Dark Fate.
Terminator 3 was awesome no questions asked
T3 is a tongue in cheek, pointless repeat of T2 but at least it doesn't shit all over the previous movies the way Dark Fart does. The ending of T3 is quite poignant when the bombs drop too.
For all of its faults, T3 had a very good ending, for sure.
@@FlickeringMyth Fuck no! The ending of T3 was awful and completely shits on the ending of T2.
It was the absolute worst possible payoff you could have for what was literally a shittier recycled version of the previous masterpiece. FUCK T3!
I think it's a good ending, but how does it not shit all over the previous films lol? It's weird that people will say that about Dark Fate but completely give T3 a pass. They both shit all over the franchise.
T3 undoes everything we were told in T2. I mean what's the point of lowering Arnold into the steel if you can't stop JD? And T3 was the film that double down on the bad comedy. The T800, who was once considered one of the most bad ass characters ever put to film, puts on pink sunglasses and makes a "talk to the hand" joke but you don't think that shits on the previous films? How about a villain with inflatable tits lol? I think Dark Fate is shit but crazy to give a pass to all of T3's flaws.
T2 ruined it by shitting all over the original and T2 introduced the silly humor, corny one liners, and neutered the T-800. Yeah T3 shits on T2's message but it actually stays faithful to the original. T2 gets a pass for doing the same things people shit on and rage about in T3. Dark fate is a faithful sequel to T2 both T2 and dark fate aren't really good both films are vastly inferior to T1 and T3.
Inflatable tits isn't even a issue it's tactical and perfectly logical for the T-X there is nothing wrong with the sexualization of the T-X and it's nothing new anyway. Sexualization has been present in the franchise since the original the only difference is in T3 it's more appealing to men.
I'm not saying T3 doesn't have some flaws it does but they are minor it's nothing compared to T2's mess and dark fate only expands upon those themes even more so. @@faz1483
John connor has been used so much that it actually dilutes his importance. So Darkfate actually gives a needed fresh start for terminator series.
By replacing him with some dumb hispanic bint just to get their woke diversity points. Get over yourself.
Terminator 3, despite all the crap from Cameron about it, "not being part of his universe", is still a great standalone movie. Salvation: Crap. Genisys: Not too bad. Dark Fate, like Godfather 3, is a paycheck movie and little else 😒
Oh T3 is wayyyyy better than Dark Fate, Dark Fate was a total waste of potential. I would much rather have seen them continue with the Genisys messy timeline stuff at least that was entertaining T3 is solid has a cringe monent that has hurt it I think but otherwise as a sequel to one of the gratest films ever made it does a good job 8/10 as for Dark Fate 2/10
Dark Fate because Skinet is not
And T800 have finish the mission
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Terminator 3 was the real last and true final installment movie, and Dark Fart is way more worst and it should've never existed!
That would be T2. T3 is not a good film. It's basically a parody of T2 with bad comedy. They don't even play the Terminator theme until the end credits. T2 was the last true film in the franchise.
“This turd sandwich is better than that shit soup.”
Rise of The Machines is a MUCH more enjoyable watch than Dark Fate. I remember watching it for the first time when it came out and I was not expecting the twist ending at all.
Dark Fate doesn’t make any sense at all. So, this bad ass Sarah Connor who we all know and love is happy to work alongside the same terminator that murdered her boy that she tried so hard to save? Terminators took away the man she loved and the son she lived for. There’s no way the real Sarah Connor would be caught dead shooting alongside a terminator.
I’m sorry but nobody involved in this movie had any respect for the mythology of the franchise at all. James Cameron clearly doesn’t even know his own creation 😂
T3 was swee5t
Dark Fate is not only the worst terminator movie, but I’d argue it’s one of the worst movies ever period
That's one of the stupidest things I have ever read. There are way worse films than Dark Fate
@@NeoConnor1THE MARVELS...☠️☠️☠️☠️
@@aidanpurkiss9457Lol. LOL!
Not even close.
There's nothing good about Dark Fate, it's just weird woke propaganda. Lol they made it unappealing as possible with ugly actors and that weird Dylan Roof looking Terminator. Also, the CGI looks horrible in Dark Fate, really overused whereas T3 used it appropriately. T3 wasn't that good, but Dark Fate makes it look like a masterpiece.
They didn't forget about John. Woke happened and need girl boss. Most forgettable one.
Terminator 3 is the real movie and Dark Fate is the fake movie.
There are only two Terminator movies the end
Well actually, both movies (T3 and T6) are bad..... Only T1 and T2 are exceptional/phenomenal movies!!! After T2, the only question, the only
matter to be solved is "Which of the rest of the franchise, is the WORST" !!! or "Rate T3 to T6 from bad to worst", or "Match the words
'bad΄, ΄awful΄, ΄garbage΄, ΄disapponting΄ , with the movies T3, T4, T5, T6" .
IMHO....
TERMINATOR 3 DARK FATE IS BATTER
"brilliantly portrayed by Nick Stahl"
Ehhhhhhhh