Chris Blackburn probably because without the drums doing the beat in the back it feels empty. without cliff it’s not exactly empty, just feels like it’s missing something, like a little extra punch or something
How empty is Metallica with Cliff Burton ?To be brutally honest since Master of Puppets their albums have all been mud . Their live shows are their only saving grace
NOW THATS WHAT I CALL TONE!! Holy fuck. Nothing, absolutely nothing Metallica does these days sounds even close to this good. Even if they have a good composition their tone never even comes close to this. Get this producer back!! Get this way of recording back!!! This is unbelievably beautiful. This tone is life itself!
Sadly, but for RTL and the black album, what I did (and it sounds pretty close to me on my Line 6), is for RTL, I used his settings from MOP and instead of the mids being at around 1, I upped them to around 2.5-3.5 and kept the treble and bass the same and for the black album I used the Justice settings and upped the mids to around 3-4.5 to give it that huge beefy tone and it sounds pretty close to me. Let me know if this helps.
I always loved the guitars here. Actually the bass guitar isn't that loud on Master Of Puppets as well as it isn't on Ride The Lightning. Metallica was always based on guitars and drums, of course the bass guitar was important in band as everywhere, but let's be real. I don't get that Cliff missing and living it in that amount. No offense though.
master of puppets was recorded with a seymour duncan passive pickups on james guitar i think they started using emgs on the following tour for the album though
Master of Puppets album was recorded with a Jackson King V fitted with Seymour Duncan passive pickups. I'm not sure which model tho, could've been Invaders.
@@ichiro319 I thought it was mesa boogie mark 2C+ into a marshall? I saw a photo years ago with the Mk2c+ ontop of the marshall...might've been in that book they released to celebrate the 30 years of puppets.
holy shit. the tone is... i cant describe it... fuckin mind blowing. Especially on the solos ! i am sellig my girlfriend to buy their equpminet. Oh wait...i dont have one. Shit :/
Metallica was, is, and could the coolest and just best band that ever has been. Seriously 1985-1990 they were so tight and cool that I really don't think anyone could do any better. Gotta love how they kick kicked mainstream in the balls.
When the "Chorus riff (2:13)" starts with 1.25 speed, it sounds really awesome. I don't know if this is me just enjoying faster paced Metallica riffs, or what, but (opinion alert) I think it sounds cool. :D
El Black Album cambió mucho a Hammett, a pesar de que Kirk ya usaba Wah desde Kill 'em All, en el Black Album se encaprichó con el wah. Y ahora lo usa en casi todos sus solos de studio. Aún así es un excelente guitarrista con talento infraexplotado.
this proves to me that something different is being played in one part of the key riff. at 2:55 there are def some different chords being played than is typical in that riff.
The EX didn't exist back in 86, unless you mean EXP? Take a look at any photo of James throughout the Puppets tour and what guitar do you see? His trusty white Gibson Explorer. The EX came after the EXP when ESP got a lawsuit for the Explorer design and I think that was about mid 90's. As far as I know James didn't use ESP's until the recording of the Justice album and that's also when he switched to EMG pickups. This is common knowledge on most Metallica gear sites.
We can't be sure whether Hetfield and Hammett used their EMG 81/60s on this album or Hetfield used a Seymour Duncan Invader SH-8 and Hammett used a Seymour Duncan Distortion SH-6 on the bridges of their guitars like they did on their older albums They did however use Mesa Boogie Amps and Marshall cabs. Their cabs probably had Celetestion speakers like the G12T-75 in them to get them that scooped mids tone. I've heard that Hetfield used a Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+ on this, not sure about Hammett though.
James plays recorded all rhythm tracks of all albums. Except for Load, Reload, Garage and St. Anger. The only other time you hear Kirk is when he plays a solo.
For rhythms, Hetfield used EMG 60/81's and a Mesa/Boogie Mk. IIC+ preamp modded into a Marshall Plexi poweramp, out a Marshall cab. And tons of EQ everywhere in the chain.
James and Kirk both used what came standard in their guitars at the time. In James's '84 Explorer was likely the Gibson 496 and 500 combo or the Dirty Fingers. Kirk started using EMGs some time in '87 and James noticed a difference in Kirk's tone and so he started using EMGs as well. That was when his Gibson Explorer gained the 81/60 combo with which he continued to play up until his first ESP the EET FUK guitar in '89. As far as tone goes that all really just comes from the Mesas they used. One can't really say that the stock passive pickups can be attributed to the better guitar tones on RTL and MoP than the tones in AJFA and the Black Album. Likewise no one can say that the EMGs were worse. In my experience it's all about what you plug your guitar through. Some rigs can make $300 guitars sound like $3000 guitars.
Edgar That is very interesting Edgar. I did not know that. Are you sure? I thought in some of the videos I saw James showing Kirk some of the rhythms. Maybe he was just showing them to show, not record.
OMG.. when I heard first solo for the first time in this video I thought it was fake... then I listened it again and again with full song.. and yes, this is real Kirk's track :)
People shit on this video for not having bass but it really helped me out on learning the parts considering most of the lessons out there aren’t 100% accurate (btw I love cliff to death)
that first minute really shows why Metallica are one of the most amazing bands of all time. you know the great musicians always say "its about the notes that you DONT play" 😂
Maybe the electric guitar and electric bas share similarities, sure, but the upright bass (aka the ORIGINAL bass) that is used for Classical and Jazz music? Yeah, that thing is NOT a guitar.
You're right that they used a modded Plexi but Tube Screamer was the OD pedal and also some Boss distortion. But I think a JCM800 could do the job and they're easier to find. Though I don't like copying other guys' tone, I want to make my own sounds. And you will never get the same tone that they had in studio because studio records are always produced, unless you use exactly the same recoding equipment and methods. (They might for example double the guitars and it will sound different.)
Most songs (even Metallica) you can throw the bass in as a rhythm part but Orion is three parts of harmony and one part rhythm. This need the bass back in it.
No, Kirk's too, just a little bit!!!!! Especially look at the first and last solo, and the little harmonic parts on James' bridge/second guitar solo!!!!!!!!!!
In de part around 3:28, you only hear one guitar is playing the solo right? Where's the other guitar then. Maybe a stupid question, but I'm drummer en don't realise that sort of things
It is amazing how empty this song is without Cliff playing....
Yes.But still kicking serious ass :)
Thrash Maniac Metallica is a team.
Chris Blackburn probably because without the drums doing the beat in the back it feels empty. without cliff it’s not exactly empty, just feels like it’s missing something, like a little extra punch or something
How empty is Metallica with Cliff Burton ?To be brutally honest since Master of Puppets their albums have all been mud . Their live shows are their only saving grace
Cliff sounds all over harmonies lines, tiwns harmonies by burton but they would never will talk bout that period.
5:41 - 6:18 - Everything is right in the world
Best part of the track for me
Can we get Orion vocals next?
xD
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Sure, you can get the One bass track while you’re at it as a bonus.
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NOW THATS WHAT I CALL TONE!!
Holy fuck. Nothing, absolutely nothing Metallica does these days sounds even close to this good. Even if they have a good composition their tone never even comes close to this. Get this producer back!! Get this way of recording back!!! This is unbelievably beautiful. This tone is life itself!
Amen!
They will never have a decent tone ever again
@@My_Lacrimosa true that. Their tone has been shit since the mid 90s
@@zman_1148 RESL SHITTT, Im saying like if they had unique tones for diff albums would be sick
It's good but RTL is better (the guitar tone not necessarily the songs) but I'm a Marshall guy so i may be biased. 🤷♂️
I'd sell my soul for that tone
web.archive.org/web/20060901163607/www.sweetsilence.com/Gearslutznotes.htm (here you are sir)
+Silvano Perez anymore of those?
+Termo VOLTAGE if you follow the link, there should be some more links to Ajfa settings
+Silvano Perez yea I saw those, are those and master of puppets the only ones
Sadly, but for RTL and the black album, what I did (and it sounds pretty close to me on my Line 6), is for RTL, I used his settings from MOP and instead of the mids being at around 1, I upped them to around 2.5-3.5 and kept the treble and bass the same and for the black album I used the Justice settings and upped the mids to around 3-4.5 to give it that huge beefy tone and it sounds pretty close to me. Let me know if this helps.
How can you have Orion without Cliff? That's like having cereal without milk.
Shut Up and Drink cereal without milk is still good tho and this video is as well
I always loved the guitars here. Actually the bass guitar isn't that loud on Master Of Puppets as well as it isn't on Ride The Lightning. Metallica was always based on guitars and drums, of course the bass guitar was important in band as everywhere, but let's be real. I don't get that Cliff missing and living it in that amount. No offense though.
Jack1981 agreed, but I think it’s about how great of a music writer he was. He was the only one of them who took music lessons.
No dubt. He taught them a lot, that's without any discussion.
It makes you appreciate the part he played in the original all the more.
2:14 don't know why I love that riff so much, sounds better when it's just the guitars
it's really groovy. Flows really great with the bass and drums
The best part of the track!
@@agnaldodepaula9334 wrong the bass is the best part
We all have our opinions, i like both equally
@@neagoat i dont remember writing that tho
4:18 no idea why but this part sounds so pink floyd-ish
Ron Leibovich it's because of the full step bends
Kinda like dogs
Had the exact same thoughts
4:18 the sound of Heaven's gates opening for Cliff...
Instant chills
His father now too. : (
I want it played at my funeral
You're assuming he went to heaven
We all know he was a decent bassist but he wouldn't be nearly as popular if he didn't die
@@My_Lacrimosa what are you on about
Holy shit
When Cliffs solo didn't start it almost felt like I wasn't listening to the same song. But still, that rhythm was amazing.
2:59 i really loved this guitar riff
it's actually a guitar solo, not a riff
@@Cianifake thanks
@@Cianifakeactually smart-ass, its the pre-solo
Thank you for highlighting this part. My favorite part of this song.
@@admiralleel6604 Same here that whole solo/groove is my favorite part next to the bridge
4:03 never knew those sounds were the guitars
Harmonics bruv
Harmonics and volume swell
I am not dumb guys. I mean it was difficult to hear it in mix
id be on my knees thanking whoever customized their equipment to get that tone back then, and also be praising the lord for the emg 81 pickup
master of puppets was recorded with a seymour duncan passive pickups on james guitar i think they started using emgs on the following tour for the album though
Master of Puppets album was recorded with a Jackson King V fitted with Seymour Duncan passive pickups. I'm not sure which model tho, could've been Invaders.
They also used a Modified Marshall slaved in a Mesa Boogie Mark 2C+ to get this kind of tone.
@@ichiro319 That setup is amazing. No wonder it sounds so damn good.
@@ichiro319 I thought it was mesa boogie mark 2C+ into a marshall? I saw a photo years ago with the Mk2c+ ontop of the marshall...might've been in that book they released to celebrate the 30 years of puppets.
23 year olds wrote this. Like wtf
The entire justice sounds like this lol.
with bit more gain
+chopureagle k not even close when really look at from a tonal spectrum.
I get it!
Dan 2c plus he’s talking about the bass. There is no bass in this track and no bass on And Justice For All
chopureagle k I get it!
Best instrumental song ever
There's a reason the guitars in the slow section start at 4:20...
they're the meaning of life
Well cliff smoked a lot of weed so
MalvOfAlaska Next time I smoke, I'ma listen to this song... Hell Yeah!
+Termo VOLTAGE he did??
sillyboy2552 This is my smoking song every time I smoke this song has to be playing
Everything is perfect in this song, Guitars, Bass, Drums, Melody.
holy shit. the tone is... i cant describe it... fuckin mind blowing. Especially on the solos ! i am sellig my girlfriend to buy their equpminet. Oh wait...i dont have one. Shit :/
Michał H thts rich
Buy their equipment, the equpminet one sounds fake bro
The finest masterpiece Metallica ever created.
4:18 it's so beautiful
Gotta love the harmony guitars in the bridge
Metallica was, is, and could the coolest and just best band that ever has been. Seriously 1985-1990 they were so tight and cool that I really don't think anyone could do any better. Gotta love how they kick kicked mainstream in the balls.
How did they kick mainstream in the balls, when they made the most mainstream sounding album (the black album)
Buddy get your ears checked
@@My_Lacrimosa 😂😂😂
@@My_Lacrimosa black album didn’t come out between 85-90. Get your eyes checked.
5:52 favorite part kirk and James ripping it
Just James dude. Kirk only came in to record the solos, everything else is James.
@@tonwhelanHe's talking about the harmonization bruh
@nishanth6403 i know what he's talking about dude. It's all James. Kirk only recorded the solos.
Wow, never knew Kirk played on AriaPro II! I love mine even more now haha :D
Tell me about it I had one around 1997, and traded up with it….to a Gibson Explorer
Very old classical feel to the song
Reminds me of the renaissance.
Cliff liked classical music.
When i play the 5:40 part for my friends, they always think it's classical swedish music lol
The Lore of Orsa my fav part of Orion :)
Check out Rodrigo Y Gabriela's version if you want it with a true classical feel
The riff at 2:14 is just amazing
Killer riff to play too
@@colonelaid5206 Absolutely!
I could listen to it for 6 hours. The bass makes it better though
YES YES, James composed a beautiful solo here
When the "Chorus riff (2:13)" starts with 1.25 speed, it sounds really awesome. I don't know if this is me just enjoying faster paced Metallica riffs, or what, but (opinion alert) I think it sounds cool. :D
Wrong, sounds like it needs to slowed down then
it sounds better at 1.1x 1.25 is too fast to comprehand
I just can't believe how goddamn good this is.
cuando kirk era hammet y no whammet
DCM ARQUITECTURA TERMINACION DE OBRAS. He still used a wah alot
El Black Album cambió mucho a Hammett, a pesar de que Kirk ya usaba Wah desde Kill 'em All, en el Black Album se encaprichó con el wah. Y ahora lo usa en casi todos sus solos de studio. Aún así es un excelente guitarrista con talento infraexplotado.
Awuebo
Been listening to and playing this song for 20 years and this track unveils yet more subtleties to Hetfield’s playing. Unbelievable stuff.
Best instrumental song ever from any metal band
I love how the song fades in and ends in the same key...
So does Fade To Black
First 59 seconds are pure fire!
i never noticed how similar the guitar tone is to the justice sound
Now this is my favourite track in the ...And Justice For All album
this proves to me that something different is being played in one part of the key riff. at 2:55 there are def some different chords being played than is typical in that riff.
Haha what it's Kirk's little doodle during the usual main riff before the solo
One of the best guitar duo of all times! And a fucking awesome piece of music composition!
At 02:15 (in my opinion): the best metallica riff ever written. So heavy! So moving! No fancy tones! Play it loud and bang your heads!
I still can’t imagine James soloing like that but there it is
The EX didn't exist back in 86, unless you mean EXP? Take a look at any photo of James throughout the Puppets tour and what guitar do you see? His trusty white Gibson Explorer. The EX came after the EXP when ESP got a lawsuit for the Explorer design and I think that was about mid 90's. As far as I know James didn't use ESP's until the recording of the Justice album and that's also when he switched to EMG pickups. This is common knowledge on most Metallica gear sites.
EPIC RIFFS. The tone, the tightness and every other detail hit straight into the guts and remind me why I love rhythm guitar.
I absolutely love this
2:58 i love this part
We can't be sure whether Hetfield and Hammett used their EMG 81/60s on this album or Hetfield used a Seymour Duncan Invader SH-8 and Hammett used a Seymour Duncan Distortion SH-6 on the bridges of their guitars like they did on their older albums
They did however use Mesa Boogie Amps and Marshall cabs. Their cabs probably had Celetestion speakers like the G12T-75 in them to get them that scooped mids tone.
I've heard that Hetfield used a Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+ on this, not sure about Hammett though.
James plays recorded all rhythm tracks of all albums. Except for Load, Reload, Garage and St. Anger. The only other time you hear Kirk is when he plays a solo.
For rhythms, Hetfield used EMG 60/81's and a Mesa/Boogie Mk. IIC+ preamp modded into a Marshall Plexi poweramp, out a Marshall cab. And tons of EQ everywhere in the chain.
James and Kirk both used what came standard in their guitars at the time. In James's '84 Explorer was likely the Gibson 496 and 500 combo or the Dirty Fingers. Kirk started using EMGs some time in '87 and James noticed a difference in Kirk's tone and so he started using EMGs as well. That was when his Gibson Explorer gained the 81/60 combo with which he continued to play up until his first ESP the EET FUK guitar in '89. As far as tone goes that all really just comes from the Mesas they used. One can't really say that the stock passive pickups can be attributed to the better guitar tones on RTL and MoP than the tones in AJFA and the Black Album. Likewise no one can say that the EMGs were worse. In my experience it's all about what you plug your guitar through. Some rigs can make $300 guitars sound like $3000 guitars.
Edgar That is very interesting Edgar. I did not know that. Are you sure? I thought in some of the videos I saw James showing Kirk some of the rhythms. Maybe he was just showing them to show, not record.
deanml116 best comment, you can have a squier through a big fender bass amp and it sounds really powerful. its almost all in the amp!!
Why would anyone want to experience this song without the BASS!? The bass is the entire framework of this piece. 😱
maybe to help then learn how to play it on guitar
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cliff's bass is in the guitar track... u can hear that in the harmony part
This is beautiful
4:52 he is still here.
aynn reis
In context... Just shows Cliff and his amazing genius talent guiding these riff raffs into stardom
Where is rhythm guitar at 3:00 ??
+oRioN this is backing track using from Guitar Hero: Metallica.
He didnt put song.ogg in
In the vocal track :v
The opening riff at 1.75x speed reminds me of the bridge riff from Seek and Destroy
THANK YOU!!!! been trying to find this guitar track forever.
Cliff - fucking genius
James - fucking genius
Kirk - nice guy, good solos
Lars - a drummer
lars is definitely, by far, a drummer
Today is September 27th...... long live Cliff
OMG.. when I heard first solo for the first time in this video I thought it was fake... then I listened it again and again with full song.. and yes, this is real Kirk's track :)
Kirk first solo it's amazing
4:05 sounds like the little keyboard intro for "Personal Jesus" by Depeche Mode. Love the bridge's HARMONIZING solo by James!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally!!! I was wondering all these years were I heard that sound from…..but Orion came out 4 years earlier so maybe Depeche Mode samples it.
There’s no greater sin on this big blue planet we call earth-than that of stripping the bass from Orion.
2:58
Dude i fcking love this solo
i get chill bumps ever time i hear the solo
Thanks dude, looking for this track for a while.
Starts at 1:00
6:17 / 7:02
Add some tinpot drum effects and this could pass for a ‘What if Orion was on And Justice For All...’ video
Orion and Met Inc I am love . Metallica is my "bosom friend"
People shit on this video for not having bass but it really helped me out on learning the parts considering most of the lessons out there aren’t 100% accurate (btw I love cliff to death)
It's taken from Guitar Hero. Vocal tracks include Vocals and Rhythm Guitar (since James plays the Rhythm), Lead is everything else.
been lookin for ages for this one ty
THAT TONE
Its always great to find comments of almost ten years and still hold it.
The definition of EPICNESS
I think they used a Marshall Plexi with a ProCo Rat, not a JCM 800 with an Ibanez Tube Screamer.
I'm humming the bass sound lmao, the song really needs the bass, that's amazing
2:10 Hetfield was the ultimate master of chug.
that first minute really shows why Metallica are one of the most amazing bands of all time. you know the great musicians always say "its about the notes that you DONT play" 😂
4:19 is the best part of all orion
You can still hear Cliffs bass multiple times on this.
no you cant because its just the guitars. just the isolated guitar tracks. nothing else.
nice work!needed that a lot! thanx man!
These are the original recorded/mixed tracks?
frankpaws yes
I mean technically speaking the bass is a guitar too................
Nikita Khrushchev nikita, chto ti tut delaesh?
I AM A BASS PLAYER AND IM OFFENDED HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT!? BASS AND GUITAR ARE TWO DIFFERENT INSTRUMENTS!!!
@@natehtf5760 well, you know, it's a bass guitar, as opposed, for example, to bass singing or bass drums
@@dielegende9141 fine
Maybe the electric guitar and electric bas share similarities, sure, but the upright bass (aka the ORIGINAL bass) that is used for Classical and Jazz music? Yeah, that thing is NOT a guitar.
02:14 nice riffs
i love the galloping parts and the main riff
You're right that they used a modded Plexi but Tube Screamer was the OD pedal and also some Boss distortion. But I think a JCM800 could do the job and they're easier to find.
Though I don't like copying other guys' tone, I want to make my own sounds. And you will never get the same tone that they had in studio because studio records are always produced, unless you use exactly the same recoding equipment and methods. (They might for example double the guitars and it will sound different.)
If heaven was a song
No matter how hard i try, i can't get the timing right when I play along without the vocals 😁
Come on yall they are playing in harmony to one another amazing guitars
Yeah, Its the original song, just the bass and drums taken out
And vocals
Cliff and has writing credits for this one too.
this is literally his song lmao the whole song is based off of his bass
First 59 seconds were amazing.
Just amazing
Cliff Burton: Master
I think, that's one of the earlier Kramer's. But i might be wrong...:D
fantastic sound
Maybe an Aria Pro II? I know Cliff played some Aria basses
Most songs (even Metallica) you can throw the bass in as a rhythm part but Orion is three parts of harmony and one part rhythm. This need the bass back in it.
James's guitar only you mean! lol
No, Kirk's too, just a little bit!!!!! Especially look at the first and last solo, and the little harmonic parts on James' bridge/second guitar solo!!!!!!!!!!
In de part around 3:28, you only hear one guitar is playing the solo right? Where's the other guitar then. Maybe a stupid question, but I'm drummer en don't realise that sort of things
Rick Koole he didnt put song.ogg in
Included in extra, they played on background in guitar hero
It's the low harmony on the D string for me. The one from Ab to A.
Still amazing, even without cliff, or anyone else come to that.