this post is a year old so not sure anyone is listening, but thank you, helped a lot. As to your need to plan off line using telescopious, it isn't that hard and I verified it worked. Frame your image via telesopious and "copy cvs" from mosaic. Now paste into notepad (iPad). I framed several targets and built a notepad with the copy and paste from telescopilus. then when I build my plan in ASIAIR, I copy from notepad paste to ASIAIR. Also with mosaic, you have to pay attention to the pane by pane format, telesopious will treat it line one pane but to ASIAIR it is "x" frames so you have to reformat by copy and paste the header in notepad before copy and paste into ASIAIR. Also, you will need to preview a shot to ensure the rotation is correct for framing and may need to rotate the camera, telescopious has no idea how you are oriented.
The reframing and rotation angle hack with Telescopius is genius! I want to shout out vaonis for building in this tech to their app so you can do it on the fly
Very thorough reviews Cuiv! No pandering to the manufacturer and going into these more advanced features really highlights who this product was designed for (and who it wasn't). Keep the great content coming!
Some precisions thanks to the comments! One thing that’s also important in telescopius in the mosaic section: “Rotate panes to preserve alignment”. If your shooting towards the pole and you aren’t using an automated rotator, ignoring this can really mess up a mosaic. Enabling this feature shows you what the rotation angle of each pane should be, which helps you square up your panes evenly. Do you have any other tips and tricks for framing your targets with the ASIAir?
According to J2000, I heard as you recommended that we should convert from J2000 to now for more precise. But from your video, seems that in the import part of plan mode , it allows J2000 data to be pasted , and AAP automatically convert to now. Is this the new improve to the AA+?
@@muangmuk Looks like you may be right my friend, after a closer look to Cuiv's video, it is definitely mentioned to paste the coordinates in J2000 , and on the next screen we can see the coordinates have slightly changed. After checking on Telescopius with the Toolbox, it appears that it automatically converts to JNow ! It wasn't doing this on my previous Asiair Pro, but looks like to be a new feature of Asiair Plus (or thanks to an update from firmware or app, at least). Anyway, that's a great news!!
Platesolving has a limiting FoV below which it won't work, for example when imaging planets with a reflector and planetary camera. If platesolving is not working, goto won't work and the green goto circle button won't work. It's possible to set the guide camera + scope as main camera + scope temporarily for goto and hopefully get close enough to the target. Although the green goto circle doesn't work, the directional nudge arrows still work, and can be used with the target tool to precisely center the target.
No need to change coordinates epoch system, ASIAIR PRO/PLUS do convert upon importation. This is why this import function is specifically good with Telescopius (nearly specifically designed for it).... and why there is a PLAN / Import/ Mosaic section in the manual of ASIAIR PRO/PLUS.
One tip, paste the CSV first in a note application, so you can edit Pane 1, Pane 2... with the object name: VeilNeb_1, VeilNeb_2... then you copy and paste into import window, each object will be properly named.
Been using the First Gen ASI Pro for awhile now, ready to pull the trigger on the new one..one reason is wifi range, i hear good stuff on it, this pretty much convinced me.
I have been using the asiair pro since I started astrophotography about 6 months ago. I have really wanted to figure out how to get the whole cygnus loop in one image using a mosaic process. Now I know how to do this thanks to this video. Thank you for this great tip !!
2 years into using the ASIAIR and never noticed the angle mentioned in the plate solving ! Thanks for this tip and that to use Telescopius to frame mosaic ! Great !
This video arrives perfectly timed, as my friend and I were just discussing this topic for tonights session. Thankfully a bad storm just cleared our South Korean skies.
@@CuivTheLazyGeek yes it definitely was the same storm. It gave me time to process my first light NGC 7380 and I really enjoyed the last two Pixinsight videos helped immensely. But I still need more and better data, as we share similar light polluted skies.
Great Info!!! Don't forget go can use annotate and crosshair under tools in the preview mode. This will show any objects in your image and allow you to use the go (touch and hold) feature to center and frame. Easy and fast...no need to go to previous images!
Excellent video! I learned quite a bit! One thing that’s also important in telescopius in the mosaic section: “Rotate panes to preserve alignment”. If your shooting towards the pole and you aren’t using an automated rotator, ignoring this can really mess up a mosaic. Enabling this feature shows you what the rotation angle of each pane should be, which helps you square up your panes evenly. Super helpful. In the one mosaic I’ve ever done, I would have had to use 40% overlap if I didn’t rotate my FoV between panes, but after enabling “Rotate panes to preserve alignment”, I knew which angle to rotate to for each pane. …and since the ASIAir shows rotation angle in the platesolving results, it’s fairly easy to manually rotate to the correct angle of each individual pane. 👍🙂
I never heard of an automated rotator. I twisted the camera in the dark inside my dew shield with all the wires hooked up to it. Not the easiest way to make important adjustment.
Nicely done, good info I specifically like the references to other methods and choices. At some point when comparing it is really nice to have a table, iamageek....still this takes time and effort that helps me make informed decisions. Thats always going to deserve a huge thank you from me. Nice
Having used my ASIAir pro a few times now, there were/are a few things that tripped me up 1. If you want to add a step to a plan, you have to "reset" the existing one. This is scary, because it sounds like you'll lose hours of shots. I learned later that it does not, but that was not great on their part. 2. I have yet to find a way to have flats as part of the same plan, with some sort of pause before hand so I can put the light on the scope. It would be nice if they provided some sort of way to just alert in between rather than having to have a separate plan for flats. The same is true of darks and bias, but what I did was put on a filter wheel and add a black filter in there. Any suggestions on the flat frames, or should I just keep doing them completely separately?
Yes those two points drive me crazy! Why do I need to reset the sequence to amend it? Why does it just keep going to calibration frames without pausing or anything??
thanks Cuiv - excellent video, as always. Just to make sure I am clear on aligning the camera angle…. after determining the desired angle in Telescopius you need to go back and manually rotate the camera while plate-solving until the angle in the AAP matches what is in Telescopius. And this needs to be done AFTER slewing to the target since the camera angle changes between home and when you slew to the target (you might start with the camera sensor horizontal at home but will be angled after it slews). I hope that all makes sense. Thanks for clarifying
This really confused me too. The first video I watched didn't even mention the need to rotate the camera! I saw the angle given in Telescopius (PA, position angle) and then used the new feature in the Air that shows the angle after a preview shot. It was quite different and I had to twist the camera with my hand. Not the greatest thing to do, and I will see if this works out.
@@paulwilson8367 I have been using this technique and it works for me. Yes, in my case I manually rotate the camera with my hand and then keep tweaking after each plate solve until I am close enough on the angle. Then, in my case, I tighten down the ring on my telescope to lock down the camera from further rotation. Then I do one last plate solve after that to make sure it didn't rotate while locking down.
@@kenkoskela3357 Thats what I did too, not knowing what to do. Not sure I tightened down the retaining ring enuff. I will do that before I start tonight or when I recheck the angle. If this project doesn't go right, the next one will be better now that I know about some gotchas.
The cable management continues to get better. ;) Looking forward to watching this tonight. I have notices sometimes night to night the air does not frame things exactly the same. Maybe by 10% which is a little annoying since I then have to crop.
This is awesome Cuiv! I have been running an AApro and AA+ for a year now and I had no idea how to do this. Didn't know you could press/hold on a preview image and then goto that spot. I guess it is time to buy one of your T shirts.
Absolutely useful!!! I didn't know doing a mosaic would be fairly easy! I have the WO Z61 and 2600mm, and can't wait to do this next summer on a target or two fur sure!!!
Excellent video as always Yannick. Would be amazing if you could release a part 2 to this, taking subs of the mosaic and showing us the workflow in Pixinsight.
When I set up a 3 pane mosaic for the Veil in Telescopius, I noticed with chagrin that the PA, the camera angle, varied slightly from panel to panel, unlike your example. Less than 2 degrees variance, but without a precision camera rotator, it is very difficult in the dark to make angle adjustments, especially when the camera is inside the dew shield. Each adjustment requires an additional preview shot to recheck the angle. So after the first panel, I thought it was wise to just not move the camera, but this resulted in WBPP failure to find "putative star matches" What a can of worms. If one is going to have to be adjusting the camera rotation each session, the planning mode is not practical, I just wrote down the coordinates and manually put them into the AIR. I eventually got a 4 panel mosaic, but before cropping significantly (20% overlap used) the left side panels were canted "down" relative to the right side, when the camera rotation was not moved from panel to panel. I think you were correct to match Telescopius to your camera angle instead of matching your camera angle to Telescopius. However, if the angle has to change for each panel, even slightly, it introduces headaches. EDIT! I see in Telescopius now there is an option to turn off the default setting for rotation to perfectly match the panels. That setting, it says, is only good for people with a camera rotator. Amen! Who has a rotator unless it's something like a Planewave?
Thanks for the video, very helpful. I've been tearing my hair out trying to frame my object exactly the way I want using the arrows on the preview screen, I didn't know you could just click and hold an area and it would give you the option to go there.
Thanks a lote for this fantastic video!!! It helped me a lot because I wondered how I had to do , for different sessions, to star at the same point of shooting.... That made me mad!!!😅😅
Did my first 2 panel mosaic the other night thanks to your video. Easy to follow and worked flawless. The only question I have is in regards to the Camera orientation, Telescopius and AAP. If the camera is leveled at the home position, why are you seeing a rotation when going to a target with the AAP. In my case I was on Pleiades, the rotation in AAP was roughly -90, which is what I had to use in Telescopius for the 2 panels to orient correctly. Just don't get why a -'ve rotation value when the camer as leveled to the horizon at the home position.
Awesome! Also, I'm putting together a video on the Live Stack feature, as well as my top wishlist for the ASIAir, with a lot of your feedback included :)
I’m keen to try and do a mosaic in NINA, especially now the nights are starting to get a bit longer. I can’t wait for winter proper (my wife thinks that is very odd). Anyway, another interesting and informative video. With a bit of preparation beforehand it looks like something that could work well out in the Wildy wilds.
I tried and failed in this set up yesterday. I first set up the plan in Telescopius. It showed a near zero angle. Then I screwed up the import of the plan somehow, but I had written down the coordinates. Learning to use this software with the rig running in the dark is not fun. When I took a preview of the object ASIAIR said the angle was about 250 degrees, way off. I rotated the camera to get within a couple degrees of 365. I have watched several videos that didn't even mention the camera rotation! How otherwise can your mosaic look like what you framed without the same "PA" position angle? Oh well, I learning new techniques at least instead of just slewing direct to an object and going with what ever is in the frame. It sure would be great if a person could import the whole plan into the Air hours ahead of getting out in the dark with the rig, then it would really be "Plan Mode".
You picked an image from a previous Autorun and said you selected and image close to Zenith, but did not say why. Is there an advantage to selecting that one for the target location?
ASIair was tempting.. but I think I get the same and more with NINA running on my new StickPC, which is even smaller, lighter and cheaper than the ASIair and with full Windows10 system to also run PHD2, Stellarium and full access to internet. Bonus point, I’m not restricted to ZWO cameras so I can keep using my trusty QHY5L-MM guiding camera. Provided your fingers are not too thick, you can also control the stickPC with an iPad through Chrome Remote Desktop or similar application.
Is is possible that you could do a video on how to process the panels and get them to a combined image? I followed your steps using telecopius and imported them into the asi air and tried a two panel mosaic of the horse head nebula to test it out. The panels came out ok but when I line them up side by side in pix insght they don't line up. I'm not sure if that is due to the way they are stacked or if I did something wrong in telescopius or on the asi air. Both panel were shot on the same night one right after the other.
@@CuivTheLazyGeek I think the reason the images didn't line up was due to my camera rotation. I'm trying another test tonight on M31. When I plate solve in the ASI Air it says my camera angle is 77.30 degrees. When I load telescopuis I can only rotate to -77.0 degrees. I'm not sure if it has to be exactly 77.30 degrees or if that matters. I'm shooting just a few frame to stack and see how they line up.
Angle shown in PA on the ASIAir & also in Telescopius was a missing link ive been looking for. Thanks! How do you tackle changing angle? Seems there's a market there for an affordable asiair-compatible electronic rotator.
Hi Cuiv another great video! Just wondering with the 2 pane mosaic yay deleted the centre pane, I’ve done this but when combined in post processing found the mosaic had a gap in the centre, I didn’t citrate a centre pane so just wondering if this could be the reason.
Interesting - in theory the overlap should cover that gap. So you may have had the wrong sensor size, wrong focal length, or wrong angle... in theory you don't need the center
@@CuivTheLazyGeek the sensor size is correct - where I think I have an issue Is the sensor angle . In so much as my Dlsr is fitted at 180 degrees to the scope. So the sensor wide plane is flat 180 ‘ and that vertical plane is 90’ - a rectangle. Problem is then how do I make sure the scope is at the same angle as the framing in Telescopious- say 240 degrees - I’m using the Asia pro which can only do this I think using plate solve?? So it’s take a picture, plate solve adjust , repeat etc until the angle is the same .seems a bit clunky to me .
Probably not, but I will publish a wishlist video for ASIAIR soon (and all those wishes are already granted by NINA). In terms of functionality the ASIAIR is a couple of leagues below NINA, but there is something about being able to use a tablet that makes it easier to get out and do imaging...
Cool tip. I've been using Telescopius but haven't realized I can import this data with the ASIAir. Question on the camera angle, if you find that during your framing selection, you want a different angle, will the ASIAir do like NINA and tell you to rotate the camera when solving or this is a completely separate thing you would need to work out before planning?
Thank you very much for the fine review. Can you do the same thing with ASIAir Pro? Is it a small windows pc you use? If so, what do you like best and use Windows PC or Android tablet?
Hello - yes you can do the same with the AA Pro (or the original AA) - I use an Android tablet in the video. AFAIK there is no Windows version of the app, so you'd need to use Bluestacks to run the AA app on a Windows tablet...
@@CuivTheLazyGeek Thanks so I keep my ASIAIR Pro. It just looks like an RS232 COM port on your tablet ua-cam.com/video/ZTKb_vBmP3s/v-deo.html That's why I thought it was a windows pc. I'm thinking a lot about whether I should change my Canon 600D to a ZWO camera. Maybe ZWO ASI533MC Pro I have a Skywatcher StarTravel Refractor 80/400 (3.2 "f / 5) I have had my ASIAIR Pro for 1 year and my Skywatcher AZ GTi for 2½ years, but do not get to use it because I have to separate it all and pack everything away after I have used it. We do not have room for me to leave it until the next time I use it. And then I live in an apartment with a balcony facing west and can not use polaris for alignment :-( I want to make it as easy as possible for myself. Easy to set up and pack away every night. And must be able to make an alignment to the west. Therefore, I am thinking of a ZWO ASI533MC Pro instead of my canon 600D. Do you need a Field Flattener for ASI533MC Pro? What can you recommend me to do? EDIT: That's what I can see to the north. A bit of URSA MAJOR www.dropbox.com/s/vsaphk88vdvelng/20211004_221936.jpeg?dl=0
@@CuivTheLazyGeek Lol! I was only teasing...your N.I.N.A videos convinced me to switch over my imaging software for my longer focal length scopes, as the ASI AIR PRO struggled to plate solve with my Edge 8 HD. I always use the ASI AIR PRO with my wide-field setups and as the cold nights are drawing in here in the UK, the extended wifi of the PLUS will be a welcome upgrade! Thanks again for your info and uploads and best wishes from Scotland! :)
Yes! Very needed video! And how to best match the exposure of all panels before composing the mosaic so that transition between panels is not noticed. I have a total 45h exposure SHO frames for a 9-panel mosaic of the complete veil nebula waiting… they were taken with different moon phases and my first attempt to compose it was a nasty squarely picture 😭
this post is a year old so not sure anyone is listening, but thank you, helped a lot. As to your need to plan off line using telescopious, it isn't that hard and I verified it worked. Frame your image via telesopious and "copy cvs" from mosaic. Now paste into notepad (iPad). I framed several targets and built a notepad with the copy and paste from telescopilus. then when I build my plan in ASIAIR, I copy from notepad paste to ASIAIR. Also with mosaic, you have to pay attention to the pane by pane format, telesopious will treat it line one pane but to ASIAIR it is "x" frames so you have to reformat by copy and paste the header in notepad before copy and paste into ASIAIR. Also, you will need to preview a shot to ensure the rotation is correct for framing and may need to rotate the camera, telescopious has no idea how you are oriented.
The reframing and rotation angle hack with Telescopius is genius!
I want to shout out vaonis for building in this tech to their app so you can do it on the fly
Very thorough reviews Cuiv! No pandering to the manufacturer and going into these more advanced features really highlights who this product was designed for (and who it wasn't). Keep the great content coming!
Thank you! I'm glad this is helpful - I'll go anti-pandering soon with a whole wishlist video on the ASIAIR :)
Some precisions thanks to the comments!
One thing that’s also important in telescopius in the mosaic section: “Rotate panes to preserve alignment”. If your shooting towards the pole and you aren’t using an automated rotator, ignoring this can really mess up a mosaic. Enabling this feature shows you what the rotation angle of each pane should be, which helps you square up your panes evenly.
Do you have any other tips and tricks for framing your targets with the ASIAir?
According to J2000, I heard as you recommended that we should convert from J2000 to now for more precise. But from your video, seems that in the import part of plan mode , it allows J2000 data to be pasted , and AAP automatically convert to now. Is this the new improve to the AA+?
@@muangmuk Looks like you may be right my friend, after a closer look to Cuiv's video, it is definitely mentioned to paste the coordinates in J2000 , and on the next screen we can see the coordinates have slightly changed. After checking on Telescopius with the Toolbox, it appears that it automatically converts to JNow ! It wasn't doing this on my previous Asiair Pro, but looks like to be a new feature of Asiair Plus (or thanks to an update from firmware or app, at least). Anyway, that's a great news!!
Platesolving has a limiting FoV below which it won't work, for example when imaging planets with a reflector and planetary camera. If platesolving is not working, goto won't work and the green goto circle button won't work. It's possible to set the guide camera + scope as main camera + scope temporarily for goto and hopefully get close enough to the target. Although the green goto circle doesn't work, the directional nudge arrows still work, and can be used with the target tool to precisely center the target.
No need to change coordinates epoch system, ASIAIR PRO/PLUS do convert upon importation.
This is why this import function is specifically good with Telescopius (nearly specifically designed for it).... and why there is a PLAN / Import/ Mosaic section in the manual of ASIAIR PRO/PLUS.
One tip, paste the CSV first in a note application, so you can edit Pane 1, Pane 2... with the object name: VeilNeb_1, VeilNeb_2... then you copy and paste into import window, each object will be properly named.
Mosaic feature will be rolled out in AAP this year. :)
Tried it last night and it worked! Thanks so much for this tutorial. It really solved the framing problem I had with AAP!
Awesome! Glad it helped!
Been using the First Gen ASI Pro for awhile now, ready to pull the trigger on the new one..one reason is wifi range, i hear good stuff on it, this pretty much convinced me.
The thing I like the most about the AA+ compared to the original one is the power distribution and power control!
I have been using the asiair pro since I started astrophotography about 6 months ago. I have really wanted to figure out how to get the whole cygnus loop in one image using a mosaic process. Now I know how to do this thanks to this video. Thank you for this great tip !!
This is really good to know! It's such a pleasure to be able to help others :)
2 years into using the ASIAIR and never noticed the angle mentioned in the plate solving ! Thanks for this tip and that to use Telescopius to frame mosaic ! Great !
Awesome, glad this was helpful!
this is the best explanation on how to frame object not just in the asiair but telescopius, thanks Cuiv
My pleasure, glad it helped!
Brilliant video again Cuiv ! I recently acquired an Asiair pro and was struggling with everything you have just explained - thank you 😊
I'm so glad this was helpful!!
Wow I didn't know about the Telescopius bit. Thank you so much!
This video arrives perfectly timed, as my friend and I were just discussing this topic for tonights session. Thankfully a bad storm just cleared our South Korean skies.
I think we experienced the same storm here in Japan - and now finally we're having the usual super clear days post-typhoon :) Glad this is helpful!
@@CuivTheLazyGeek yes it definitely was the same storm. It gave me time to process my first light NGC 7380 and I really enjoyed the last two Pixinsight videos helped immensely. But I still need more and better data, as we share similar light polluted skies.
Great Info!!!
Don't forget go can use annotate and crosshair under tools in the preview mode. This will show any objects in your image and allow you to use the go (touch and hold) feature to center and frame. Easy and fast...no need to go to previous images!
Thanks Greg! Yes, that's another little useful feature!
@@CuivTheLazyGeek The learning never stops, great hint for Telescopius! I started about 10 months ago and have sooooo much to learn.
Excellent video! I learned quite a bit! One thing that’s also important in telescopius in the mosaic section: “Rotate panes to preserve alignment”. If your shooting towards the pole and you aren’t using an automated rotator, ignoring this can really mess up a mosaic. Enabling this feature shows you what the rotation angle of each pane should be, which helps you square up your panes evenly. Super helpful. In the one mosaic I’ve ever done, I would have had to use 40% overlap if I didn’t rotate my FoV between panes, but after enabling “Rotate panes to preserve alignment”, I knew which angle to rotate to for each pane. …and since the ASIAir shows rotation angle in the platesolving results, it’s fairly easy to manually rotate to the correct angle of each individual pane. 👍🙂
I never heard of an automated rotator. I twisted the camera in the dark inside my dew shield with all the wires hooked up to it. Not the easiest way to make important adjustment.
I love watching your videos. I always learn something useful.
Just want to say thanks for all the ASI Air Pro and Plus videos, it is really helping me out using it.
Glad to hear it, thank you!
I am digging the new intro! Glad to see ya back in the swing of things. Cheers and clear skies.
Thank you!
Nicely done, good info I specifically like the references to other methods and choices. At some point when comparing it is really nice to have a table, iamageek....still this takes time and effort that helps me make informed decisions. Thats always going to deserve a huge thank you from me. Nice
As a long time user of AAP, thats a nice work around for mosaic. But as someone who's found love with NINA, I prefer that way .
Having used my ASIAir pro a few times now, there were/are a few things that tripped me up
1. If you want to add a step to a plan, you have to "reset" the existing one. This is scary, because it sounds like you'll lose hours of shots. I learned later that it does not, but that was not great on their part.
2. I have yet to find a way to have flats as part of the same plan, with some sort of pause before hand so I can put the light on the scope. It would be nice if they provided some sort of way to just alert in between rather than having to have a separate plan for flats. The same is true of darks and bias, but what I did was put on a filter wheel and add a black filter in there. Any suggestions on the flat frames, or should I just keep doing them completely separately?
Yes those two points drive me crazy! Why do I need to reset the sequence to amend it? Why does it just keep going to calibration frames without pausing or anything??
Thanks Cuiv... Miss you, man!!
Thanks
Thank you so much!
Fantastic tutorial as usual!
thanks Cuiv - excellent video, as always. Just to make sure I am clear on aligning the camera angle…. after determining the desired angle in Telescopius you need to go back and manually rotate the camera while plate-solving until the angle in the AAP matches what is in Telescopius. And this needs to be done AFTER slewing to the target since the camera angle changes between home and when you slew to the target (you might start with the camera sensor horizontal at home but will be angled after it slews). I hope that all makes sense. Thanks for clarifying
This really confused me too. The first video I watched didn't even mention the need to rotate the camera! I saw the angle given in Telescopius (PA, position angle) and then used the new feature in the Air that shows the angle after a preview shot. It was quite different and I had to twist the camera with my hand. Not the greatest thing to do, and I will see if this works out.
@@paulwilson8367 I have been using this technique and it works for me. Yes, in my case I manually rotate the camera with my hand and then keep tweaking after each plate solve until I am close enough on the angle. Then, in my case, I tighten down the ring on my telescope to lock down the camera from further rotation. Then I do one last plate solve after that to make sure it didn't rotate while locking down.
@@kenkoskela3357 Thats what I did too, not knowing what to do. Not sure I tightened down the retaining ring enuff. I will do that before I start tonight or when I recheck the angle. If this project doesn't go right, the next one will be better now that I know about some gotchas.
@@paulwilson8367 Good luck! :)
Thank you Cuiv - your videos are helping me along the journey. Keep up the good work.
My pleasure, glad it is helping!
I knew you would become an asiair master in no time.
Well not quite a master, but it is a lot of fun! :-)
The cable management continues to get better. ;)
Looking forward to watching this tonight. I have notices sometimes night to night the air does not frame things exactly the same. Maybe by 10% which is a little annoying since I then have to crop.
Yes that's one of my pet peeves with the ASIAIR - it should have a centering tolerance parameter!
@@CuivTheLazyGeek gah, SERIOUSLY on this one!
@@CuivTheLazyGeek I have noticed that increasing the exposure time to centering and plate solving does help a touch.
This is awesome Cuiv! I have been running an AApro and AA+ for a year now and I had no idea how to do this. Didn't know you could press/hold on a preview image and then goto that spot. I guess it is time to buy one of your T shirts.
Glad this was helpful Mike! Not everything with the ASIAIR is intuitive :)
Absolutely useful!!! I didn't know doing a mosaic would be fairly easy! I have the WO Z61 and 2600mm, and can't wait to do this next summer on a target or two fur sure!!!
Cuiv..... it's not re-gister it's reg-ister. Like reg-istration. Keep up the good work. I watch all the time.
I'll.. I'll try :)
Excellent explanation 👌👌
Excellent video as always Yannick. Would be amazing if you could release a part 2 to this, taking subs of the mosaic and showing us the workflow in Pixinsight.
Thank you Roman! A lot of people are asking that, I'll get to it at some points :)
When I set up a 3 pane mosaic for the Veil in Telescopius, I noticed with chagrin that the PA, the camera angle, varied slightly from panel to panel, unlike your example. Less than 2 degrees variance, but without a precision camera rotator, it is very difficult in the dark to make angle adjustments, especially when the camera is inside the dew shield. Each adjustment requires an additional preview shot to recheck the angle. So after the first panel, I thought it was wise to just not move the camera, but this resulted in WBPP failure to find "putative star matches" What a can of worms. If one is going to have to be adjusting the camera rotation each session, the planning mode is not practical, I just wrote down the coordinates and manually put them into the AIR. I eventually got a 4 panel mosaic, but before cropping significantly (20% overlap used) the left side panels were canted "down" relative to the right side, when the camera rotation was not moved from panel to panel.
I think you were correct to match Telescopius to your camera angle instead of matching your camera angle to Telescopius. However, if the angle has to change for each panel, even slightly, it introduces headaches.
EDIT! I see in Telescopius now there is an option to turn off the default setting for rotation to perfectly match the panels. That setting, it says, is only good for people with a camera rotator. Amen! Who has a rotator unless it's something like a Planewave?
Thank you Cuiv, I am really looking forward to receiving my ASIAIR Plus.
Hope that this will be helpful!
Thanks for the video, very helpful. I've been tearing my hair out trying to frame my object exactly the way I want using the arrows on the preview screen, I didn't know you could just click and hold an area and it would give you the option to go there.
Glad this was helpful! Tons of neat little hidden features in there!
Thanks so much for this Cuiv was perfect!
Great video Cuiv explained it very well. 😃
Thank you!
Thanks a lote for this fantastic video!!! It helped me a lot because I wondered how I had to do , for different sessions, to star at the same point of shooting.... That made me mad!!!😅😅
Did my first 2 panel mosaic the other night thanks to your video. Easy to follow and worked flawless. The only question I have is in regards to the Camera orientation, Telescopius and AAP. If the camera is leveled at the home position, why are you seeing a rotation when going to a target with the AAP. In my case I was on Pleiades, the rotation in AAP was roughly -90, which is what I had to use in Telescopius for the 2 panels to orient correctly. Just don't get why a -'ve rotation value when the camer as leveled to the horizon at the home position.
Thanks! I have been looking forward to this video. The is definitely very very useful. I will try it maybe tonight!
Awesome! Also, I'm putting together a video on the Live Stack feature, as well as my top wishlist for the ASIAir, with a lot of your feedback included :)
I’m keen to try and do a mosaic in NINA, especially now the nights are starting to get a bit longer. I can’t wait for winter proper (my wife thinks that is very odd).
Anyway, another interesting and informative video. With a bit of preparation beforehand it looks like something that could work well out in the Wildy wilds.
NINA really works well for mosaics :) Good luck!
I tried and failed in this set up yesterday. I first set up the plan in Telescopius. It showed a near zero angle. Then I screwed up the import of the plan somehow, but I had written down the coordinates. Learning to use this software with the rig running in the dark is not fun. When I took a preview of the object ASIAIR said the angle was about 250 degrees, way off. I rotated the camera to get within a couple degrees of 365. I have watched several videos that didn't even mention the camera rotation! How otherwise can your mosaic look like what you framed without the same "PA" position angle?
Oh well, I learning new techniques at least instead of just slewing direct to an object and going with what ever is in the frame.
It sure would be great if a person could import the whole plan into the Air hours ahead of getting out in the dark with the rig, then it would really be "Plan Mode".
You picked an image from a previous Autorun and said you selected and image close to Zenith, but did not say why. Is there an advantage to selecting that one for the target location?
Very nice video. You are the best!
Oh, I didn't know that! Thanks. Definitely subscribing 👍 clear skies.
Glad this was helpful, and welcome to the channel! Clear skies!
Cuiv hi. Do you have any videos NINA assisted PA with Start Adventurer 2i ?
Great tips thanks for the video ✨👍
Thanks so much! Helpful video!
Very clear and helpful. Thanks
Very useful tutorial! Thank you!
Glad it helped!
ASIair was tempting.. but I think I get the same and more with NINA running on my new StickPC, which is even smaller, lighter and cheaper than the ASIair and with full Windows10 system to also run PHD2, Stellarium and full access to internet. Bonus point, I’m not restricted to ZWO cameras so I can keep using my trusty QHY5L-MM guiding camera. Provided your fingers are not too thick, you can also control the stickPC with an iPad through Chrome Remote Desktop or similar application.
That's very true! Completely understand that - and NINA is far more feature complete.
Is is possible that you could do a video on how to process the panels and get them to a combined image? I followed your steps using telecopius and imported them into the asi air and tried a two panel mosaic of the horse head nebula to test it out. The panels came out ok but when I line them up side by side in pix insght they don't line up. I'm not sure if that is due to the way they are stacked or if I did something wrong in telescopius or on the asi air. Both panel were shot on the same night one right after the other.
Not sure exactly how much they don't line up, but you can check here for a full process: www.lightvortexastronomy.com/tutorial-preparing-a-mosaic.html
@@CuivTheLazyGeek I think the reason the images didn't line up was due to my camera rotation. I'm trying another test tonight on M31. When I plate solve in the ASI Air it says my camera angle is 77.30 degrees. When I load telescopuis I can only rotate to -77.0 degrees. I'm not sure if it has to be exactly 77.30 degrees or if that matters. I'm shooting just a few frame to stack and see how they line up.
Top Cuiv ! Clear sky 😉
Thank you! Clear skies to you too!
Angle shown in PA on the ASIAir & also in Telescopius was a missing link ive been looking for. Thanks! How do you tackle changing angle? Seems there's a market there for an affordable asiair-compatible electronic rotator.
Awesome, glad it helped! I indeed wish ZWO would come up with a derotator - maybe filter wheel and derotator all in one?
Hi Cuiv another great video! Just wondering with the 2 pane mosaic yay deleted the centre pane, I’ve done this but when combined in post processing found the mosaic had a gap in the centre, I didn’t citrate a centre pane so just wondering if this could be the reason.
Interesting - in theory the overlap should cover that gap. So you may have had the wrong sensor size, wrong focal length, or wrong angle... in theory you don't need the center
@@CuivTheLazyGeek the sensor size is correct - where I think I have an issue Is the sensor angle . In so much as my Dlsr is fitted at 180 degrees to the scope. So the sensor wide plane is flat 180 ‘ and that vertical plane is 90’ - a rectangle. Problem is then how do I make sure the scope is at the same angle as the framing in Telescopious- say 240 degrees - I’m using the Asia pro which can only do this I think using plate solve?? So it’s take a picture, plate solve adjust , repeat etc until the angle is the same .seems a bit clunky to me .
A great video as always. What was the display you were using? Thank you.
Just an Android tablet (that's primarily a Variometer for paragliding...)
Great video
Super useful video!!!!
Thank you! Glad it helped!
Cuiv will there be a comparison between the ASIAIR and Nina ?
Probably not, but I will publish a wishlist video for ASIAIR soon (and all those wishes are already granted by NINA). In terms of functionality the ASIAIR is a couple of leagues below NINA, but there is something about being able to use a tablet that makes it easier to get out and do imaging...
Thanks you 🙏
🙏 thanks a lot for your valuable informations!!!
My pleasure, glad it is helpful!
Cool tip. I've been using Telescopius but haven't realized I can import this data with the ASIAir.
Question on the camera angle, if you find that during your framing selection, you want a different angle, will the ASIAir do like NINA and tell you to rotate the camera when solving or this is a completely separate thing you would need to work out before planning?
That would be a completely separate thing you would need to work out before planning...
Thank you very much for the fine review.
Can you do the same thing with ASIAir Pro?
Is it a small windows pc you use?
If so, what do you like best and use Windows PC or Android tablet?
Hello - yes you can do the same with the AA Pro (or the original AA) - I use an Android tablet in the video. AFAIK there is no Windows version of the app, so you'd need to use Bluestacks to run the AA app on a Windows tablet...
@@CuivTheLazyGeek Thanks so I keep my ASIAIR Pro.
It just looks like an RS232 COM port on your tablet ua-cam.com/video/ZTKb_vBmP3s/v-deo.html That's why I thought it was a windows pc.
I'm thinking a lot about whether I should change my Canon 600D to a ZWO camera. Maybe ZWO ASI533MC Pro
I have a Skywatcher StarTravel Refractor 80/400 (3.2 "f / 5)
I have had my ASIAIR Pro for 1 year and my Skywatcher AZ GTi for 2½ years, but do not get to use it because I have to separate it all and pack everything away after I have used it. We do not have room for me to leave it until the next time I use it.
And then I live in an apartment with a balcony facing west and can not use polaris for alignment :-(
I want to make it as easy as possible for myself.
Easy to set up and pack away every night.
And must be able to make an alignment to the west.
Therefore, I am thinking of a ZWO ASI533MC Pro instead of my canon 600D. Do you need a Field Flattener for ASI533MC Pro?
What can you recommend me to do?
EDIT: That's what I can see to the north. A bit of URSA MAJOR
www.dropbox.com/s/vsaphk88vdvelng/20211004_221936.jpeg?dl=0
What an excellent upload and super helpful, Cuiv! Well done and RIP N.I.N.A...lol! ;)
Oh NINA is far from dead! Especially for monochrome with filters, it's far ahead compared to the ASIAIR... :)
@@CuivTheLazyGeek Lol! I was only teasing...your N.I.N.A videos convinced me to switch over my imaging software for my longer focal length scopes, as the ASI AIR PRO struggled to plate solve with my Edge 8 HD. I always use the ASI AIR PRO with my wide-field setups and as the cold nights are drawing in here in the UK, the extended wifi of the PLUS will be a welcome upgrade! Thanks again for your info and uploads and best wishes from Scotland! :)
Nice video. I like your spaghetti style wiring 😊 😉
Hey at least it doesn't snag! :D
Good info !! Are you learning these tips by trial and error......or are you finding this info somewhere ?
Some of the tips came from viewers of the channel, others I searched around and experimented! I love doing trial and error in general :)
@@CuivTheLazyGeek thank you sir. I do the same...countless hours of watching videos and hands on experience.
What is Nina?
Next video, how to import that mosaic data into Pixinsight and stack/align mosaic data.
I know I know I need to do such a video at some point!!
Yes! Very needed video! And how to best match the exposure of all panels before composing the mosaic so that transition between panels is not noticed. I have a total 45h exposure SHO frames for a 9-panel mosaic of the complete veil nebula waiting… they were taken with different moon phases and my first attempt to compose it was a nasty squarely picture 😭
Great video Cuiv, but please stop! I'm working with NINA and really liking it, but now I am afraid I can not live without the ASIAIR Plus.
Hahaha don't worry I'm still using NINA! :)
Thank you for some excellent info...btw i was like 667 i just over took the 666 user like ,
I hope i am safe :) :) :)