Stephen A. and JJ Redick DEBATE the Suns’ NEW Big 3: Chasing championships? 🔥 | First Take
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, JJ Redick and Chris “Mad Dog” Russo discuss Bradley Beal joining the Phoenix Suns to form a new Big 3.
0:00 Introductions
1:00 “Hate” drives Kevin Durant
3:30 Kevin Durant’s “chasing championships”
4:30 JJ’s got a better question to ask…
7:00 Nuggets are still favorites next year?
9:30 No excuses for Bradley Beal?#ESPN #FirstTake
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Lmao these guys together are pure comedy
New owner, new coach, no bench, no depth … just three all stars but with a lot of overlap and a lot of injury history. It will take a miraculous job from the GM to build out the rest of that team to a championship roster. Not impossible, but certainly improbable.
The team is mostly intact. They'll resign their top role players and maybe have a couple new faces if DA gets traded. The same team that took Denver to 6 but add BB and subtract CP3. Boom!!
Solid take.
Keep talking. We know what’s going on behind the scenes and who the DA trade is going to bring to PHX that will leave you pounding your fist into a wall in anger.
If they’d take a different approach or even had a DIRECTION for the gm franchise after the 2019 season, things would looook a lot differently! I think the ownership move came too late & James Jones is far too conservative a GM for the current make up of our roster. We’ve got some chemistry but none of the depth has really emerged to fill the voids that are now Bridges & Johnson.
They will play with a bunch of high school kids whom they won’t pay.
I agree with JJ! It doesn't always work out for super teams especially when they give up their defensive pieces or don't have defensive pieces to match their offense.
Bctxx t mytttttt😅😅xxx
Lmfaooo bro agrees with both
The real reason the super teams haven’t worked is because of injuries. The Nets and Clippers couldn’t stay healthy. It’s rare a super team is formed with all the players being under 30, because it’s always older stars it means more injuries.
It’s crazy Beal isn’t 30 yet but he will be before next season
@@OscarUnrated Book is 26 and Beal is 29, the real concern will be Durant who is 35. KD is more of a hooper than an athletic type. I think he can stay healthy as long as they don't put a ton of minutes on him on the regular season.
@@cryptokey1986 yeah as a nets fan it was frustrating seeing KD get hurt every year and our standings tank. That’s why it makes sense to have 3 all-stars, 2/3 should be playing at all times. Suns were .500 without KD
KD is weird though because even though he misses a million reg. szn games he’s been healthy every yr in the playoffs (since Achilles). I think it’s because the Nets & Suns didn’t rush him back, he’d get an injury and they’d say 3-4 weeks but it’d end up being like 10 weeks. Probably better for KD to play 45-55 games if it means being healthy in the playoffs.
Mad dog, SAS, and JJ are the perfect trio for first take😂
Facts 💯
JJ consistently shows that he's by far, the smartest person on this show
I hadn’t even heard him talk yet, and knew he’d have a good take.
I like Redick because no one is untouchable, including moody Larry Bird . If LeBron is able to take criticism so should Bird .
Also the one that’s full of himself the most
No point guard, no defense, no bench, and three players who essentially play the same style. They’ll be a strong regular season team but that’s it.
Bro sounds like a parrot repeating what anyone else is saying, u got anything original to input?
All three of them avg around 5 assists per game. One of them is going to have to turn into a James Harden type and start dishing the ball more, and score less, and that's probably going to be Beal, but not sure if he has the court vision.
I have a strong feeling. The trio is gonna have stretches where they are averaging 90 points, getting 10 points or less from the bench and giving up 115 to their opponents
This is the NETS 2.0, it will implode.
@@Got_Em_Coach_Fishingit's not about the effort. When it comes to the game of basketball, hundreds of players were more gifted and more athletic. But in punditry, not many (if someone) out there smarter than him.
The same guys that put so much value on "championships" hate what KD is doing.
I feel like they have debated this exact topic the last 3 days in a row, saying the exact same works, and will continue to for the next 3 weeks. So much fun.
They better keep Ayton. We all know Beal and Durant will miss half the season next year.
I agree with SAS! Without question they should be better when healthy but doesn't guarantee a Championship because you can't rule out the Champs, the Nuggets, and other teams coming back with a vengeance. I agree with JJ too!
Nuggets are a more balanced team
@@baldeagle4710and suns are still better
@@King__Tonecap . No one NO ONE is stopping Jokic . MPJ will be better . Murray will be an all star. Nuggets are the more balanced more complete team in the league.
@@King__Tonenot with the depth they have rn
They said the same thing about the Bucks …. Supposedly Bucks would be unstoppable and can repeat and 3 peat
Warriors we’re
Suppose to repeat and the lakers were suppose to repeat lol
Best crew for first take right here
I like when they get off topic and start hollering, dope azz connection 😂, they put each other on blast. Hilarious
This was a very good segment. The best one I heard about this topic, in my opinion. I don't like the roster right now, but if they flip Ayton for good defensive players, it will be very interesting. They finally have a full season to get this sh work. I'm happy for Beal that he can finally compete for the Championship.
You must have James Jones confused with Rob Pelinka
@@doublez_ true 😂
@@KarloBlaze is James Jones best move acquiring cp3?
@@doublez_ I would say yes. CP3 brought the team with huge potential on a whole new level. His veteran experience helped them a lot in that Playoff run few years ago. I don't like the moves they did after that, allegedly Isiah Thomas has a lot of influence in that. This move looks terrible as well, but what do I know? Who knows what else they have in mind for this offseason.
Honestly they might not even have to trade Ayton...they can get another big body in free agency and maybe one more shooter for catch and shoot scenarios....but at the very least another big to help down low
As soon as Bradley Beal got linked to the Suns I was like there he goes. I knew KD was gonna pull off something like this. I knew it 🤣🤣
Have seen Ayton against some of the best big man? He got owned big time
Wats your point ?? Do y’all say the same for lebum nope but he’s a goat lol y’all some haters
@@kingajames2ayton is a punk and the suns have 3 dudes who NEED the ball so yeah, this isn’t gonna work out.
@@itsjmell3768at least LeBum gets results
@@itsjmell3768of course they don’t lol they would be quit if kyrie came to lakers
JJ, Mad Dog, and SAS is always a must watch for me
This is a great big 3 with individual offense the way the 3 play …. Now they need defense and a bench
One of the best chemistry on tv : JJ , SAS and mad dog
Devin “why yal doubling me” Booker is no second coming of Kobe …😂
Stephen A. really said "Kobe-esque".
His offensive style is Kobe like but he's not near the defender or the leader kobe was . Because kobe would've closed the bucks out while Booker and cp3 sold back2back games in the finals .
KD the “I always need a super team” Durant 😂
And I usually still lose
It's amazing how everything that should be attributed to LeBron somehow is being thrown onto KD 🤣
@@smoothsavage2870don’t you know, lebron meat riders are mad for kD getting help because the groupies only allow their choke artist savior lebron to get it. Lebron tried to recruit every super star in the league and his delusion no brain groupies turn their eye.
@@smoothsavage2870attributed to lebron how lmaoo kd is still making superteams lebron doesnt have no superteam kd had 3 big threes in his career now played with 3 mvps in their prime lmaoo fkin delusion kd nutsucker 😂😂😂
@@smoothsavage2870 - It's really not the same, though. LeBron spent the first 7 years of his career playing with a bad-to-mediocre squad and still made a Finals... and on that Finals team, Larry Hughes was the 2nd best player and he only averaged 14 points in the regular season and 11 points in the playoffs. Then yes, once LeBron went to Miami, he's always had a superstar or 2 for teammates, but the difference between him and KD is LeBron's been to 10 Finals overall, while KD's only been to 4... and those 3 were on a team that was already making Finals before he got there AND it wasn't even 'his' team (it was Curry's). The point is... LeBron actually did something productive with his super teams while KD has floundered most of his opportunities for one reason or another. I mean, KD has only had ONE year in his career where he didn't have a future Hall of Famer as a teammate and that was his rookie year in Seattle.
This was a good debate. I like all perspectives
Whether it works out or not it was a great move for Suns.
Brooklyn Nets 2.0
If it doesn't work how is it a great move
That don’t make sense how is it a great move if it doesn’t work out lol?
The ego of Kyrie Irving and James Harden far surpasses Beal and Booker you don’t have to worry about Beal and Booker having off court antics coming to work fat and lazy or Mr Basketball is not the most important thing earth flat Irving
@@t.dot8565 you good bro?
Mad Dog’s really injected new life into this show.
AKA discount clearance aisle Skip Bayless
@@MarcoG353he's way more likeable than Skip lol
@alphadog3586 That's true. He atleast has humor and energy
He sucks. Stop the cap
People put dumb expectations on super teams. Just because you have a top heavy roster doesn't mean you're supposed to win. As good as golden state was even with KD, their bench was the difference in alot of series and games. Barbosa, Livingston, iguodala, Poole, David west, etc. Your top 8-9 has to be better than the other 8-9 that's just how it works.
My biggest question is: Which of the 3 stars is willing to take a hit to their statistical production for the betterment of the team? The only times constructed super teams have won championships is because the 3rd guy sacrificed personal numbers so they could win (Chris Bosh in Miami, Kevin Love in Cleveland). You could look at Kevin Durant during his time with the Warriors and see he was okay with getting 25-26 a game when he had been getting 28-32 with OKC, so maybe it's him? Beal is a few seasons removed from averaging 30+ and has only been putting up 23 PPG the last couple of years (mostly due to not being completely healthy), so maybe it's him? I think Booker gets his no matter what, maybe even being close to 30 PPG. We'll see how it works. I'd be shocked if all 3 split the numbers and got 23 PPG each, which honestly would be a winning formula.
It's also about who is going to learn to spot up to score. Other thing about those successful trios is Chris Bosh and Love totally change their games. They could always shoot, but they were primarily post up players. They instead started to space the floor and try and knock down threes. They stopped getting plays called for them - especially in the post.
Bradley Beal has to be ready to knock down open 3s. That's not really his game. More of a midrange scorer, but he needs to be hitting threes and spotting up waiting for the ball. It's a tough role to have.
All of this true, I think their biggest hurdle will be health. All 3 over the past few years have had issues staying healthy. 2nd issue I have with them is who will be the playmaker? I know Booker has it in him at times, but still don’t see him as a PG/ Playmaker. This can obviously be addressed in FA or possibly trading Ayton. Then there is all the stuff you mentioned with roles, this team has too many questions right now
I say it’s Beal. There’s no real pressure on him to perform, to me it’s all on KD. He’s the team hopper chasing championships.
@@leir2005I agree more on KD than anyone
Definitely beal. He's the worst out of the 3
I agree if I’m management why wouldn’t I do it. Great move shows willingness to go for it and put pieces around a young Booker going forward
Devin Booker played the best number one options on the suns while scoring high percentage and that's why they beat Denver in those two games. Gotta agree Beal gotta be motivated and know how to contribute to the suns offense off-ball and play his best offense and consistent otherwise this big three won't work. Big threes usually don't work because the number 3 option stop being consistent which Beal gonna need to hit his mid range consistently in the playoffs. 3rd options usually have it harder than 2nd options because your getting less touches and contribute and be engaged in the game.
They got blown practically in every L they took that series. Double digit losses
@@doublez_ They lost game 2 by 10 points and that was with CP going down in the 3rd quarter. 1, 5 and 6 certainly weren't close games to be fair, but that has a lot to due with Booker and KD carrying to much of a load to stay efficient. With a 3rd legit scorer the team won't need to lean so heavily of Book and KD to take all of the shots and play 40+ minutes every playoff game.
Some people might think Book is better than KD now, his playoff numbers were great, but coaches don’t seem to agree. The Clippers & Nuggets defenses definitely were focusing on KD. Booker was saying every press conference how great it was that KD was shifting the defense’s attention.
People forget about KD’s defense, he’s not an all-time defender but at 6’11” he can wreak havoc. It showed every time he was subbed out the Nuggets went on huge runs (KD +/- was -5 for the playoffs, Booker was -37).
By midway through the Nuggets series they were doubling KD & Booker, and the Suns role players were missing wide open shots. Now they either don’t double or leave Beal wide open, I wouldn’t be surprised if Beal’s stats looked the best out of the 3 in the playoffs because of the defensive schemes.
@@doublez_ a lot of those games were competitive until the fourth when KD & Book looked gassed.
But what team didn’t get beat down by the Nuggets? The Lakers games were closest but they couldn’t even win a game. In four series the Nuggets took four losses, Suns gave em half of them.
@@cobra7282 and that’s how it going yo be in the foreseeable future for them. Look at the last 5 champions and notice none of them needed what Phoenix is getting
Danny Anige is a helluva GM plus he help bring number 17 to Boston by trading Al Jefferson for KG and the 5th pick in the draft(Jeff Green) for Ray Allen then sign a whole lot of vets that off season and no I'm not comparing him to the Logo
I'm stoked about next season hopefully suns get a solid something at center. Ayton reminds me of Steven hunter
Thank you for making these videos. I absolutely love baseball, but I like all sports generally. However, I do follow the NBA during playoff time. I appreciate these clips because it gives me a glimpse into the current ins and outs of basketball. I had never heard of Bradley Beal until a few days ago. Now he's all over the news.
You love basketball but never heard of Beal until a few days ago? 🤔 Interesting...
SAS IS THAT YOU??!
@@chinonsoude this is not AI. I'm a person. Middle-aged woman writing a comment.
Is it because Skip and Shannon are gone that I'm seeing more Stephen A recommendations/videos? Man I miss Shannon
I wouldn’t mind Shannon Sharpe and JJ redick on a show together
JJ and Tim Legler are the best together IMO
The "past six months mark" part about the shoes tho 😅
Mad Dog lookin at SAS like he's an actual dog and SAS is prime rib 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If Molly be marinating, it'd be in a fine wine sauce. 😂
Stephen A be spazzin lol, and he just kilt Molly😅😅😅😅
Myles Turner & Buddy Hield(40.2Million) for Deandre Ayton/Cam Payne & Ish Wainright(40.8Million) Suns lacked in 3pt shooting last year & shot blocking
Not a good deal on the pacers end buddy hield and Myles can ball the pacers actually can make the playoffs with that roster they already got haliburton and nemhard why would you trade two of your best players if your rebuilding and headed in the right direction
Deandre Ayton isn’t goood as you think he is either he’s hardly better than Myles 🤷🏾♂️
And Pacers only sign high character players for the most part
This trio low key cold
Suns were bad 10 straight years and the bubble changed them. Love this run of them going 8-0 in the bubble, making the finals, and now coming full circle having Beal and Durrant. Let’s go
If JJ is on ESPN I’m watching it 🫡
I'm just happy to hear someone sat Stockton didn't belong on the Dream Team for Isiah. I've heard people say my favorite player Clyde Drexler should have been off. He was the second-best 2/3 in the league at the time.
So who is going to be the leader on the court to make it flow .
@13:35 JJ there’s one team that won the championship when they made an in-season trade…the Toronto Raptors traded for Marc Gasol in 2019….
I think they will 💯
sounded like Stephen A was rapping at 7:12
Steven A is wrong about replacing John Stockton on the dream team. All-time assist and steal leader was a perfect fit.
he is the wrong shade for Stephen
Mad dog is hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Everyone tries to make a super team! Good luck with that. Nuggets show that building a team from the ground up wins!
"People keep bringing up that KD is 35 but he missed 3 years so isn't like a normal 35. He hasn't gone through as much attrition." Mr. Smith, he missed 3 years DUE TO INJURY. If anything, 3 season-ending injuries is more attrition than old age.
I have heard an orthopedic surgeon say that a major leg injury …even if you’re healed..is equivalent to at least three years of normal aging.
Crazy thing is Washington actually had a nice squad on paper brad gotta get some of that blame as the leader
KD already played on a iso-centric top heavy offensive team with no rebounding or interior presence so he wants more of the same on a different team? I need everyone on ESPN to stop glazing this guy, it's not going to work and I'm tired of teams neglecting other important aspects of winning basketball.
No defense, no floor general, no chip
talent is one thing, but can they play with each other? and what bench does phoenix have?
Old Suns owner-
"He's cheap, doesn't want to spend money"
New owner-
"How dare you build a super team"
🤣 who the H think you are Cinderella 🤣 they definitely stepped in a off topic mud for like 30 seconds & it just flew over everybody head 😂
LuV JJ and MadDog 😂 with SAS
I’ve never seen Stephan A back down to anyone in 15 years until he debated JJ reddick. time to hand over the ropes
Good job ESPN. Great convo. Please keep Kendrick Perkins off the set!
I don't see how this is any different to the previous suns roster. Like the biggest boon is kd/book playing together longer and developing more synergy etc. They still have depth problems, their bench is terrible and they're gonna run into the same problems as this last post season
Bradley Beal is their New Point Guard 😅
How does Stephen A remain composed with Mad Dog smiling at him like a crazy person?
Mad doggy is on fire 🔥
Love Mad Dog
If celtics can trade for deandre ayton... suns could benefit as well for sure with what celtics have and if celtics get a center wit htheir core, that could be exciting for both teams
Lmao “i turn into a pumpkin every time i go on set”
Its definitely gonna make phoenix better, but i dont think this move is gonna get em past Denver
The suns have to get rid of ayton because they don’t know how to use him. He was the number one pick who has actual post moves and they treat him like he’s deandre Jordan offensively.
Maybe , kinda how sabonis started thriving
In essence they have 3 explosive guards and no motivated bigs and no defense.
Shannon should do a show with Redick or Mad Dog
Mad dog is right about Thomas. Forgot to mention Thomas's involvement with Raptors.
yup. mad dog hilarious tho lmao
"he's the historian" 😂😂 ROASTED
Kevin Durant calling Bradley Beal to save him 😭😭😂
I'm really ready for this talking point to switch to "Veteran minimum players the suns can sign to fill out their roster." The deal is done and over. It's time to move on. Can this team actually put together some semblance of a roster that can compete? I believe they're also the only NBA team that doesn't currently have a G-League team. So they can't even find those diamond in the rough Alex Caruso-type players...
They're in trouble but I'm curious how they'll even get a roster together.
That Mad Dog and JJ beef is real lol
the Suns going make a push for that ring tho...and they can give Denver a run ...if all three stay healthy its a ring
Lakers in 3
Did I hear an "if"
I picked philly vs Phoenix in the finals
Im most upset at Suns
They may get the number 2 seed but never came through..
Do they have an answer for the Nuggets?? i dont think so!!
Devin Booker is nowhere near Kobe’s level. The only thing they have in common is Booker has a mid range game.
Check his stats this last playoffs, he played better than Kobe ever did, but sure bro he’s nowhere hear Kobe’s level lol.
@@genosnatsuki I’m convinced a lot of people don’t even watch basketball. You just look at a stat sheet and then say anything. There’s no way a coherent person could watch Kobe, then watch Booker and think they are on the same level.
@@donjuan914 stats don’t lie, what’s not to understand about my comment? It was pretty coherent, seems like you just have reading comprehension issues. Kobe never had a playoff run like Book no matter how much you loved him as a player and that’s factual. Does this mean he’s better than Kobe? No, but to say he’s not even close to Kobe’s level when he statistically played better than Kobe EVER did in the playoffs is just pure delusion and dickriding instead of rational thought. You’re stuck in the past lil bro.
STILL CAN'T BEAT DENVER
KD going to be a year older with the body of a 48 year old vegetarian soccer mom. Most players decline his age…he’s not built solid. He can’t handle being the clear 1, which is why his playoff efficiency has went down and turnovers up every season except twice in his career. Couple that with their roster flaws, I don’t see them winning it all. Yeah they’ll be a good team, better be with all that firepower.
Sound like the rest of these haters say so much negative about one person which who don’t control teams but somehow kd name always in the convo
Bro did you watch the playoffs ?? 😂
@@itsjmell3768 kd hasn’t played with all the talent he has by simple luck.
@@Sucka41Love yes. I saw KD average 30 and whatever but on decreased efficiency, which is normal for in the playoffs when teams stop letting him go 1on1 at a high frequency. He’s only gotten over the hump in GS when curry and Thompson allowed him to consistently go 1on1. He shot 57% in the regular season with BK and PHX all the way down to 47%. Come playoff time, that physicality goes 📈 and his efficiency goes 📉. Not to mind he turns the ball over more.
KD, Lebron, and CP3 can form the new Geritol and WD40 super team. Who could stop them
I think suns are going to trade ayton for defensive pieces and not really worry about a strong offensive center. I mean they barely get DA involved already
i dont know which superteam is worse with KD - Kyrie/Harden or Booker/Beal
J.J always on point.
Realistically they just need one more big defender. They have the big 4 plus okogie Craig Payne and Ross. Trade ayton and Craig for a more defensive minded center and big wing type and they will contend well with denver
Craig is solid no need to trade him.
Suns turned out to be Denver's biggest challenge enroute to title 1. I saw it all the way but when the series was knotted up at 2-2 a lot of people thought it was a coin flip. And they had no game plan -just Book and KD taking turns. So at minimum the chemistry will improve from tenure and they'll have a legit 3rd scoring option. I think you have to peg them at #2 in the conference coming into next season. But calling them a superteam is clickbait. Beal is not a superstar. KD will be 35. If health permits, they'll have a chance to compete.
Adding offense over defense isn't working out. Has KD not learned that in Brooklyn?
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Stephen A just tried to flip KD’s achilles tear into a positive for his health outlook lmao
So they didn't have any dept before Beal and now they are favorites 😂😂😂😂
For years people get excited about these super teams and most of them don't live up to the hype
Notwithstanding professionalism and an incredible amount of knowledge and experience between these three guys on the panel, I respect how those three don't back away from debating their biases, even when these preferences have race/culture overtones. Support your own without apology. Why not?! No need to always be 'politically correct'. In my opinion, it supplies a sense of reality, humanity and relatability to the show, without being rude and debasing.
Larry Legend won multiple MVPs, coach of the year, & GM of the year..
What r u talking about S.A. thanks JJ for entertaining his thoughts but when do u take over or get your own show on ESPN facts 💯
12:33 hold up you just gonna disrespect Pat Riley’s name like that JJ??😮
I agree with JJ.
Thomas admitted that he had no business being the coach of the Knicks because of personal issues distracting him.
I used to hate mad dog man but Dawg he grew on me 😂😂😂
When you buy that SRT, hellcat, YOU donot worry about gas☝🏽
13:35 JJ said by far the most important thing, that a lot of people don't know or CHOOSE to ignore because they hate certain player with 3 of his 6 finals loses being against GSW. And it is that in 2016 the salary cap was somehow dramatically increased by what JJ Reddick calls an "Anomaly" but i call "help from above" that allowed the 73 - 9 Golden State team, to add A FOURTH ALL STAR AND FUTURE HALL OF FAMER - ALL IN THEIR PRIMES. To top it off the "anomaly" allowed Golden State to also retain most of the supporting cast that contributed to the 73 -9 team. It was insanity. It was a Dream team among 29 teams. Those who understand basketball fron the front office perspective as well know that most super teams don't work because even a 3 all star / max players super team, means that 90% of the salary cap is assigned to 3 players, and the other 9 are basically either rookies or near retirement verterans on a minimum deal. That's how the 2010-2014 Miami Heat where built, thats how the HORRIBLE 2021-2022 Russell Westbrook Lakers super team was built. What Golden State did: 4 all stars in their primes, plus a quality supporting cast WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. Especially with the new "Anti Super Team" CBA.
Yeah, and on a side note, that’s why Harden and the Rox are under appreciated, they came the closest of all teams in beating the healthy KD Warriors.
Larry Bird was a great front office guy as well.
SAS must have gotten somethin special last night he was way too cheerful to start it off 😂
Until we know who they get by trading DA and what ring chasers they get for the vet minimum we won't know
"Big Threes" don't seem to work out, be it because of injuries or the sheer impossibility of making all three happy on the court.
And once upon a time, Ayton was considered to be a star. So they almost have a "Big Four". Even so, I don't see them getting out of the West in 2024.