Michael, The AFTMA rating system for fly lines was based on weighing the first 30 feet of fly line (without the level tip) not because this was the average line carry of experts, but the average line carry of most fly fishermen. The problem started not with beginners, but with experts. It was experts then building lines with very long heads. For example Bruce Richards (former Chiefdesigner Scientific Anglers) designed the Expert Distance (former XXD) fly line (70 feet head length). If a rod designer builts a rod matching to aerialize that 70 feet of line, the rod will feel very stiff, when beginner uses it to aerialize just 30 feet of that head. Since the typical fly lines no longer were a DT and a standard WF, but all tapers from super short to super long, the AFTMA (now AFFTA) came into trouble especially in the short headed upper line weight classes. Rods are built for more than 30 feet carries and a 30 feet head AFTMA class 8 feels too light. Thus such lines were more and more underlabeled = heavier as the package sais. Every expert I know will know head length, rear taper, line weight, head weight and all the details. Great, but still many beginners WANT exactly what it still is: go in the shop and buy 8 on the line + 8 on the rod and that's it. This simple system is made to especially help beginners in this their desire, not experts (as you say). I am an expert and I don't care. I weigh, measure and finetune my lines/heads anyway. Having said this, feel free to offer a line-rod matching system to work better at any time. 😉🥂 Finding one to exist as long as the AFTMA one now does, might be very difficult. Thousands tried and all failed. I see quite simualarities between a loop and what my line gets shaped into at times. It's just a word. But an extremely common one. Regards Bernd
You started at the wrong end of the FlyQ. Aftma is top down thinking and I do indeed have a much easier and personalised solution for the problem which has not been published yet. And that is dialing yourself in with the help of the fixedvline anchor. Fixed line anchor? What is that? If you find it out, play with it for 30 min and then you know why. Also if you see the data and what my test persons found out you will be shocked my friend. Do the speynergy or " aftma Ferrari paradox" experiment with a beginner: 1 Tape the line rating off a rod (example 6wt) 2 give him a choice of lines (5 6 7 8 9 weights) 3 put him on the fixed line anchor and let the person come back with what rating he prefers. Very simple. Shocking result. Try it out and you will confirm.my findings.
it would be exceedingly difficult to quantify... but experience conclusively shows a "tighter" loop carries energy more effectively than an "open" loop... especially into the wind. Where does a loop begin? fairly conclusively it begins where the rod tip "stops".... it ends at the terminus of the cast. Lefty was the absolute most effective casting instructor, period. End of story. Bob Clouser was pretty close. at 40, 45 feet, with heavy lines and big flies, it doesn't matter much..... in the wind at 60, 70, 80 feet, it does matter. Honestly after 45-+ years of fly fishing and catching quite a lot of fish in many environments, i'm finally able to feel it. But I'm slow. I like your vids, but I'm having difficulty keeping up with this one.
The maths behind the fly game are always hidden, and they are getting late to the learning curve, the loop concept is the fastest way to visually rate a fly caster level, nowadays everything is based on click bait numbers …tight loops and hero 🐟 pictures is the fastest path to build good media flow that leads to a potential extra 💰 We should have a much higher rate over people who fly fish, that makes me think the forms of teaching are not the best to this days. I like the raw content Michael is sharing here, I don’t like the curse but we all know the industry can do better intact every season new line and new rods are popping 🤑but in teaching fly casting, is the same forms now as 60 years ago, it looks they don’t want to find better ways!! and they are doing well with or without us💰💰💰💰💰
I don't know where to start. 🤨😃 This is the fly fishing equivalent of watching Pink Floyd's "The Wall" movie.😄10/10 for entertainment value, but I think there are established physics in relation to loop size and ability to cut through the air, with a tighter loop being more efficient. I've cast with Paul Arden, and he is one of, if not the greatest fly caster and instructor in the world today.
Are you OK? Are you sure that you have understood what I am saying about control? Not only in this video. Have u tried the exercises I recommend? What I do is making you to help yourself. Did you come Here with the right expectations?
Michael,
The AFTMA rating system for fly lines was based on weighing the first 30 feet of fly line (without the level tip) not because this was the average line carry of experts, but the average line carry of most fly fishermen. The problem started not with beginners, but with experts. It was experts then building lines with very long heads. For example Bruce Richards (former Chiefdesigner Scientific Anglers) designed the Expert Distance (former XXD) fly line (70 feet head length). If a rod designer builts a rod matching to aerialize that 70 feet of line, the rod will feel very stiff, when beginner uses it to aerialize just 30 feet of that head. Since the typical fly lines no longer were a DT and a standard WF, but all tapers from super short to super long, the AFTMA (now AFFTA) came into trouble especially in the short headed upper line weight classes. Rods are built for more than 30 feet carries and a 30 feet head AFTMA class 8 feels too light. Thus such lines were more and more underlabeled = heavier as the package sais.
Every expert I know will know head length, rear taper, line weight, head weight and all the details. Great, but still many beginners WANT exactly what it still is: go in the shop and buy 8 on the line + 8 on the rod and that's it. This simple system is made to especially help beginners in this their desire, not experts (as you say). I am an expert and I don't care. I weigh, measure and finetune my lines/heads anyway.
Having said this, feel free to offer a line-rod matching system to work better at any time. 😉🥂
Finding one to exist as long as the AFTMA one now does, might be very difficult. Thousands tried and all failed.
I see quite simualarities between a loop and what my line gets shaped into at times. It's just a word. But an extremely common one.
Regards
Bernd
You started at the wrong end of the FlyQ.
Aftma is top down thinking and I do indeed have a much easier and personalised solution for the problem which has not been published yet. And that is dialing yourself in with the help of the fixedvline anchor.
Fixed line anchor? What is that? If you find it out, play with it for 30 min and then you know why.
Also if you see the data and what my test persons found out you will be shocked my friend.
Do the speynergy or " aftma Ferrari paradox" experiment with a beginner:
1 Tape the line rating off a rod (example 6wt)
2 give him a choice of lines (5 6 7 8 9 weights)
3 put him on the fixed line anchor and let the person come back with what rating he prefers. Very simple. Shocking result. Try it out and you will confirm.my findings.
it would be exceedingly difficult to quantify... but experience conclusively shows a "tighter" loop carries energy more effectively than an "open" loop... especially into the wind. Where does a loop begin? fairly conclusively it begins where the rod tip "stops".... it ends at the terminus of the cast. Lefty was the absolute most effective casting instructor, period. End of story. Bob Clouser was pretty close. at 40, 45 feet, with heavy lines and big flies, it doesn't matter much..... in the wind at 60, 70, 80 feet, it does matter. Honestly after 45-+ years of fly fishing and catching quite a lot of fish in many environments, i'm finally able to feel it. But I'm slow. I like your vids, but I'm having difficulty keeping up with this one.
I cast a 7wt line on a 6wt rod today. Wow! Casting was SO much easier.
Congratulations. Well done.
The maths behind the fly game are always hidden, and they are getting late to the learning curve, the loop concept is the fastest way to visually rate a fly caster level, nowadays everything is based on click bait numbers …tight loops and hero 🐟 pictures is the fastest path to build good media flow that leads to a potential extra 💰
We should have a much higher rate over people who fly fish, that makes me think the forms of teaching are not the best to this days.
I like the raw content Michael is sharing here, I don’t like the curse but we all know the industry can do better intact every season new line and new rods are popping 🤑but in teaching fly casting, is the same forms now as 60 years ago, it looks they don’t want to find better ways!!
and they are doing well with or without us💰💰💰💰💰
I don't know where to start. 🤨😃 This is the fly fishing equivalent of watching Pink Floyd's "The Wall" movie.😄10/10 for entertainment value, but I think there are established physics in relation to loop size and ability to cut through the air, with a tighter loop being more efficient. I've cast with Paul Arden, and he is one of, if not the greatest fly caster and instructor in the world today.
Nice loops Michael!
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Much ado about nothing… Understanding the dynamics of fly casting was never easy. Unfortunately, your rambling videos do not help one bit.
Are you OK? Are you sure that you have understood what I am saying about control?
Not only in this video. Have u tried the exercises I recommend?
What I do is making you to help yourself. Did you come Here with the right expectations?
@ I’m perfectly fine, thank you. I’m sorry I hurt your feelings - I should have kept quiet. My apologies…