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FORGET Ironite! Use THIS for Dark Green Grass in 24 Hours!
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2023
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Did you already know that granular ironite (iron oxide) is completely unavailable in soils ABOVE a 6.0 pH?!
I did not know that
This isn't really factual (and misleading).
@@DrMonkPhD please provide sources to door this isn’t factual. I provided my source in the description
@@TheLawnMentor what source? I do not see a source.
It is true that Fe availability is dictated by the soil redox potential and pH.. In soils that are aerobic/higher pH, Fe is readily oxidized, and is predominately in the form of insoluble ferric oxides. But many turfgrass species exudes natural chelating compounds (eg, phytosiderophores) that complex Fe and render the Fe available for plant uptake.
Plant roots absorb iron from the soil solution most readily as (ferrous) Fe2+, but in some cases, also as (ferric) Fe3+ ions
See McBride, M.B. 1994. Environmental chemistry of soils. New York: Oxford University Press
Link?
That Greene Effect is good stuff! One of the best kept secrets in the entire GCF line. Great video my friend!
Nice to hear from you Al.
it looks the exact same to me
I’ve had a lot of success with Ironite however I want to switch over to liquid and learn that side of application. Great vid! Thanks
Ferrous sulfate is also known as moss out or moss away. Makes more nutrients available to plants in alkaline soils
Great video! This is a slippery slope living in Phoenix its a challenge using any fertilizers, and have to be so careful not to burn your Bermuda. Yes, your so right, Ironite (who I think is an Arizona based company) is expensive and I’ve not had much success with using it in Arizona.
Thanks for watching!
I used Scotts Green Max about 6 weeks ago and have the darkest green lawn I've had in 20 years.
Sometimes all you need it a really good kick of fast release Nitrogen
I’m glad there was not side-by-side before and after photos of the lawn taken at the same time during each day from the same angle. That would’ve been way too helpful.
I’ll set an alarm next time! 🤣 it’s a good idea, but sometimes even the sun can make the lawn look different
I was thinking the same thing but it was a good try. In the end I did expect side by side.
Make sure to use epsom salts on the lawn for the magnesium. It gives a more natural green color. Better and longer lasting than iron.
Never tried it!
Use both.
@@arbyc8736 yes. But magnesium is often overlooked and looks much more natural and longer lasting than iron that turns super dark or black for a short time.
How much epsom salt per 1000’
@@jamesrobertson6255 Don't think there is a hard and fast rule: I've seen recommendations from 2 to 6 pounds/per 1000 sq ft. I have never applied it straight out of the bag. I usually mix 3 -4 pounds with fertilizer or a gypsum application.
I like the look without stripes. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for commenting and saying hello!
have used deluded Epsom salts to pour in ferns, which makes them luscious and green but mixed results on the lawn.
Ironite has never worked for me, but Epsom salt mixed in a tow behind sprayer gets good results.
I use ironite on a lawn with a ph of 7.5. It turns a dark green in 24-36 hours after application. I’ve done it for years and never had it not work.
What are the other ingredients in the bag? Are you using granular or liquid? I know they make both
@@TheLawnMentor I use liquid. Spray it on and a day later I have a dark green tiff lawn. Been doing it for the 30 years we have lived here. We have mostly red clay, just a thin layer of top soil. I also use Andersons soil booster several times a year on my yard and gardens, well worth the buy.
Granular ironite and liquid ironite are different ingredients
Just ordered the green effect , can't wait to try this out , also found out that a lack of or insufficient amount of magnesium can prevent the turf grass from up taking iron that's readily available to the turf grass so don't forget to spray on the Epsom salt , I want my grass so dark green it's almost black , great content by the way
You’ll love it!
Having the darkest lawn doesn't necessarily make it healthy. Apply 46-0-0 early in spring and you will have the greenest lawn around. But watch it get stressed out in the dog days of summer.
@@arbyc8736 good point, however I've got to try for both, wish me luck
Fertilizer choices rarely have anything to do with how your lawn looks in the summer time. That’s primarily due to response to stress (water, pest, fungus,…)
@@TheLawnMentorI am in the Northeast : I fertilize twice a year using high WIN fertilizers: In the Spring, near Memorial Day I use Corn Gluten and in the fall near Memorial Day I use Milorganite. In between, usually mid July, I'll put down an application of Ironite. The reason I avoid high nitrogen fertilizers is they encourage fast top growth without good root development. Shallow root lawns are going to be more susceptible to dying from stress and disease.
No kidding this mix is awesome my Memorial Weekend was stunning nice dark green green tifway with American flags throughout the yard so nice!! God Bless America!!
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Nice video. I use Scott’s Truff Builder and Ironnite together and I have a deep green beautiful green grass.
Thanks for watching!
Your after picture is how my Jonathan Green black beauty ultra looks normal. I can't imagine how dark it can get if i apply this concussion. Good info brother
Do it and come back and let me know!
I used the JG Ultra Black Beauty for the first time last fall.....wow.
After also watching Allyn with the Jonathan Greene members on his podcast, that really motivated me but I was late getting it going. I did finally get the soil right with all their info on the analogies they used...not to mention ALL the great content here, from LCN, GCF, and GCI.
I concur, my JG UBB fescue has an incredible color on the regular N-EXT line, but after seeing this, I'm curious how dark it could get.
I've only been using Greene Pop, RGS, Air-8, Humic-12, Greene Punch., Greene Start, Sea-K..will try the G Effect.
Great video!
@@TheLawnMentor you got it sir.
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If I can't kill off 28k sq...plus, I can't even tell i have tall fes or Kentucky. It's cold season for sure and I am in Central VA. Smh. Van I overseed the joint ultra and do it again, next fall...Will that overtake whatnot crap I have..
Looks really goode! Nice job.
But honestly, granular ironite always workd for me. Once or twice in summer mixed with low nitrogen fertilizer then watered in. Ironite isn't completely useless.
It greens my yard up in 24-36 hours every time I use it, my lawn soil is usually a ph of 7.5……..🤔
Check out this article: www.turfcaresupply.com/the-turf-tech-reportirons-function-in-plant-health
And remember, this is a WAY cheaper and faster result
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Ah.....i must've missed the cheaper part. I'm sold!
Thanks again!
@@ianmackenzie686 good reason to watch again 👍🏻 my best advice is try to find AMS locally as cheap as you can … $20/50lbs of AMS is the going rate nowadays
Great video and content!!!
IMO Ironite gets way darker. Granular will stay available in the soil and plant longer than liquid sulfate. Yes results will take at least 2 weeks to darken but I believe it’s worth the wait.
Iron oxide isn’t plant available like ferrous sulfate. Nowhere close to
Epsom salt
I always say, if it's not broke don't fix it! If the grass already dark green, leave it alone. Actually, you're supposed to do a soil test, to detect if they are any nutrient deficiencies in the soil before applying any additional chemicals to the lawn, because it may not need it. The before and after results of your lawn almost looks the same. I can't tell any difference! If there is a difference it's only marginal, not like as in night and day.
Great response 👍
Your videos are very informative, thanks! I've been learning that ferrous sulfate can stain concrete, but chelated ferrous sulfate doesn't stain so easily, even better if rinsed off immediately. Have you experienced any staining with 7-0-0 Green Effect?
Not personally, no! Can’t say I’ve looked hard enough. Thanks for watching!
Id love to take the over on the number of people who burn the tips of their lawn overnighting AMS in the summer.
It won’t happen at this low of a rate. But yeah, it’s possible if you throw too much at it.
Green Effect and Microgreen once a week here! The good’ol double dark has been working wonders.
Once a week at what rate my friend?!
@@TheLawnMentor 7oz each per 1k is what I started using last season been looking good.
@@mrkuz4644 too much iron will cause fugus problems
@@CCCC-tq8yoat 7oz it’s only roughly .005 lbs of N per application. Between granular and liquid Im about .75lbs of N a month spring and fall and I bring it down to .5 lbs in the summer. I apply preventative rates of fungicide. Been doing it a year now with great results with little to no fungus issues. My lawn is a 80/20 KBG Rye mix
Eddha chelated iron work well watered in even in 8.0 application water.
7 is neutral
Do you add 1 gallon of water per 1000 square feet to the mix in the backpack sprayer also?
I live in South Carolina and there is a heatwave right now. Can I put this down in this heat or should I wait for cooler weather?
You can put it down in heat but make sure you water. Your grass will go dormant without water
This is my first video of yours I'm watching awesome content. What type grass do you have ?
Thanks for commenting and saying hi! 👋🏼 I just renovated front lawn last year with GCI TTTF blend. The backyard is currently a mix of old school lawns that I’m working to improve. Happy to have you!!!
QUESTION - Is the 5oz GreeneEffect and 0.5 lbs AMS per gallon of water in the sprayer?
Yes 👍🏻
Do these iron mixtures leave rust runoff on your sidewalk and curb?
1000% skip the ironite. your mix doesn't have to be water in either if you don't want. Right before you posted this video I went out and sprayed 8oz greeneffect and 5oz AMS + 0.25oz T-nex. You're giving me a sneak peak of the results I should expect, but you'll get a little more color from the N vs the Iron in my mix.
PREACH! Yeah you could toy with the rates for sure! Didn’t want to put out something too aggressive and have people calling me with black or burnt lawns 😆
The before view looks the same as the after view or you didn't show before and after views with both comparisons.
@@vicwilliams5637 ya
@@TheLawnMentor Black Lawns... you mean DEEP DEEP DEEP GREEN. DEEEEEEEEEEEEP
@@JifferRiffic sooooooo deeep
Add 1 cup/1K of Epson Salts to the mix as well. Help-s the dark green stay longer.
Do you have a favorite flavor? 🤣
How does this affect bees and other pollinators??
I’m not aware of any negative effects
After 3 years of JUNE/JULY yellow/ heat spots on my zoysia (I have a morning direct sun light reflecting from a neighbor's window reflecting on to my lawn- like a magnifying glass heat. But yesterday I found (while using a long screwdriver) to feel if the clay soil (Greenville SC) was too hard in certain areas, well I felt/heard a few 'clicks' in the yard as I pushed the screwdriver in... I discovered there are small patches of rocks/gravel 2" below the soil line. How do i safely remove the gravel (6ft x 6ft area) without destroying my grass? Thanks
*Great video . Thanks for sharing this. Do you think this would work for a Texas lawn that sees 100 degrees on a hot day ?*
It’s a super low amount of N. I would apply late evening when it’s not as hot and you’d be good
@@TheLawnMentor noted . Thank you
My pleasure! Let me know the results
Ironite is granular. I live in Wylie and it works great and I just apply it before a rain storm. Yard turns green in two days. Doesn't burn the lawn if applied accordingly to the directions.
Thank you for this info does this solution have to be diluted with water
Yes please dilute to whatever volume you normally spray with
Instead of Green effect can i use liquid chelated iron with AMS? Higher % iron plus cheaper.
Sure can! GreeneEffect is just what I had on hand and is easily available to others
Great video. To confirm the math, .5 lbs or .5/.21 = 2.38 lbs of product to mix with 1 gallon of H2O. Is that correct? Thank you for another great video.
0.5lbs by weight of AMS per 1ksqft
Hello, what time of the year should this application. I am in mid west and have a mix of KBG and tall fescues. Also there was a different video you were referred for Sta-Green 16-0-10, when can that application go. Thanks.
You can apply all of it anytime during the growing season!
@@TheLawnMentor thank you.
My pleasure and thanks for checking out my channel!
How often do you use that mixture?
Thx for sharing
Will FAS work just the same with a regular Urea Nitorgen fertilizer product?
Great question! Unfortunately not because the urea must go through the nitrogen cycle and be broken down. Refer to this article: www.canr.msu.edu/news/nitrogen_cycle_and_nitrogen_fertilizer_sources_part_2
@@TheLawnMentor thanks for the response and source material.
@@BrandonD1R my pleasure!
without worrying about sq feet, would you tell me How much FAS and how much greeneefect per one gallon of water?
The recipe is listed in the video towards the end
What about double dark fertilizer from yard mastery?? Have you used this product? Thanks
I have - I prefer the liquid 😊
An air induction sprayer tip is for getting the product into the soil quick, is that correct?
I actually made a video about FloodJet vs AI vs Fan. The AI tips are more coarse than a fan tip but less coarse than a FloodJet. It’s kinda right in the sweet spot. This would’ve been ideal to do with a fan tip and maybe even a surfactant.
AI isn't necessarily more coarse. It depends on the nozzle sizes. Floodjet nozzles are great for fertilizer and normally have a much wider angle, like 110 degrees, which is more forgiving with overlap and height. AI nozzles are better for contact fungicides, like Daconil because the droplet is actually a bubble and explodes on contact creating better coverage. I was fortunate to see the results of flood/flat fan vs AI when Syngenta came on site for quality control research at a local golf course.
I'm gonna try Liquid Iron for the first time in the backyard, but I've always had good luck with Scotts Green Max in the fall and spring because Ironite sucks, and Scotts will feed the lawn. Have you ever tried Plant growth regulator or PGR, and is it ok to apply in the summer? Have a great day.
I have never used PGR and haven’t done much research on it so I don’t want to mislead you
@@TheLawnMentor Thanks, It looks like we're in the same boat, but thanks again for the honest answer. Have a nice day.
You as well !
Thoughts on adding 002 microgreen + FAS + 700 green effect all in the same mix?
As long as your rates of 002 and greeneEffect follow the normal for the double dark cocktail you should be ok. Don’t add too much iron or the lawn will go black
What do you think about Milorganite, I’ve been using it for two years now. My lawn is green,but not that dark green. Would appreciate your comments. Thank You
I’m going to put out a video soon about reasons why I don’t use it on my lawn. Guess you’ll have to stay tuned for that one 😉
@@TheLawnMentor : one reason I went away from Milorganite (and they make it just to the south of us here in Wisconsin) is that my lawn smells like a needing-to-be-cleaned bathroom for at least a week after application. My backyard b-b-q's don't need any more "dairy-air" smell than I already occassionally get from my local farming neighbors!
@barneyandcompany6205 haha ain’t that the truth!
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Great Video!
Would this work with St. Augustine Grass?
Yes it would! Thank you!
@@TheLawnMentor Thankyou.
QUESTION: you said you did .5lb/1000 of the AMS but the stuff you linked says to do 4 lbs/1000 on the bag..... that's a big difference......thoughts?
You’re correct - the recipe I called for is much less nitrogen and that’s intentional. I would not increase the nitrogen for this application where you’re just trying to get a color pop. Good catch!!
I just got tall fescue sod, did fairly well and mowed it for the first time 2 weeks ago. Im going to mow it 3” instead of 4” this weekend. Summer is coming and i know i have to use iron to help it stay green (sorry for this long rant) i havent fertilized it, should i? I wanted to use iron.. which would be best for tall fescue? And when is the best time im assuming now since summer is basically here. And this epson salt? Never heard and when can i apply that and can i do it at the same time i use iron?
If you haven't already, I would apply some starter fert to your new sod. That and water is all you should need to apply to get it established. You can worry about the iron later and keep mowing!
So I’m new to this yard spraying, does the 1k stand for 1000 sgft of lawn? And then I guess I need to do the gals/ sqft calculation with my new sprayer?
Yes 1,000 sq ft of lawn. However you have your sprayer calculated, just make sure that mix gets down evenly on that space
@@TheLawnMentor thank you.
@@rickyh78 I do have a video about calibrating a sprayer and how to spray if you’d like more help!
Can you still put this down during summer temperatures?
Heck yeah you can
What happens if you just spray the green effect product? Plus can use double dark granulated then spray green effect after applying double dark granulated? Or not a good choice? Thanks. Love your vids!
You can use greeneEffect on its own. Might take an extra day or so. I would go one or the other not both. Thank you 🙏
@@TheLawnMentor ok thanks. I have 10 k SQ ft of lawn so applying granule is faster and easier for me. Thanks again!
Grass can only get so green before damaging it! If you apply too much iron, it's going to burn and turn the lawn black.
Will this work with all types of grass or just certain types? Thanks.
It works on all
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Hi, how long can this keep the grass dark green for? Thanks
I’d reapply monthly at most. You’ll see it when you need it 😀
I wonder how long this lasts.
The color should last anywhere from 4-6 weeks
Did you add water to the mix?
Yes whatever carrier you usually need to cover the space. Recipe is for 1 gallon
liquid is such a pain though, I just used the liquid and did not really see any difference
I actually prefer liquids to granular! I can mix a lot more things in the tank and save a ton of money
So how much water did you mix into your sprayer? Also how long did it take to dissolve the Ammonium Sulfate?
the spray grade AMS that I use dissolves really quickly. With my personal sprayer setup, I mix about 3 gallons of water (finished solution) to cover my 3,000 sq ft main stage
@@TheLawnMentor Ok great. Thanks for the quick response. I have an Aluminum sulfate on hand. Do you know if that would work the same?
@@sfurse77 I have no experience with aluminum sulfate
Thank you
how would you compare this versus the double dark mixture?
I’ve never used the double dark mixture but this is likely cheaper
How often r u doing this?
No more than once a month for me. The color stays pretty good with the usual AMS apps!
@@TheLawnMentor One of the cons of fast acting, liquid fertilizers are, they don't last near as long as the slow release, granular fertilizers that feeds the lawn for a longer period of time. That's the reason why liquid fertilizers have to applied more often than the granular.
all these videos always tell the pounds to use per 1000 sq ft or per acre but never tell how much water to mix it with. Maybe it's just me not understanding since I'm just getting into this.
You’re onto something - it’s all dependent on how much carrier water it takes to cover your space. So it varies for everyone’s yard/sprayer/speed
What about using Urea instead of the sulfur?
Urea and sulfur and not equivalent
How much Epson salt should you use for about 1000 ft.²
Sorry but I have no experience using that on my own lawn
@carlstrom3898 : For what it may be worth, another You-Tuber out here (working with a cool weather grass lawn) said he uses Magnesium Sulfate ("epson") at a rate of 3lb/1K ft. He also states he likes to go a bit heavy (for a liquid iron application he goes 6oz/ instead of a "standard" recommended 2oz/ 1K ft).
Two seasons ago I bought two bags of ironite and used them both in the backyard. Did not see ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE after a few weeks of regularly scheduled watering. Seen a lot better results with the usage of different fertilizers and or even using some plain old miracle grow blue granulated plant food that I mixed in my spray pack and tried. However I’d love to get into the sulfates and give that a try! Don’t bother with ironite, waste of time and money
Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@TheLawnMentor Scotts Southern triple action weed and feed always leaves my grass an awesome dark green. I use it as my starter fertilizer in early spring. In late spring I used Scotts green max and it was more of a medium green. It also had my grass growing at an alarming rate, and had to mow too often. I would not put anything on my grass since were dab smack in the middle of a heatwave. Temperatures have been 100 or more for almost the last three weeks. Im having to mow my grass at least every 12 to 14 days, and mowing in the evening so as not to burn the grass, and watering early the next morning. It looks like the heat dome is about to move to the right and get the hell out of TX. Expecting rain next week and a more seasonal bearable summer temperatures. You got your grass science at an A+. Awesome yard!
Thanks my friend! 😀
Have you mixed fas with sulfate of potash? Too much sulfate?
At these rates you should be totally fine
Can I use this with a hose-in sprayer?
I would not recommend that - needs to be on the foliage
Doesn’t sulfur lower your PH Never use any sulfate anything ?
In larger quantities, yes. A mix like this contains negligible amounts for pH change.
So no water added to the mix in the sprayer?
Yes please add water like I did show when I made the mix
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Doesn’t Ammonium sulfate end up lowering your PH ?
Over a long period of time and extended use, yes. You need a ton of it over time to move the needle though
Never had success with Ironite…
How long after application did you see a difference in color?
Usually next day I notice a change, if not the following
Wow!!!!!!
Bro thank you for this! I tried it and it absolutely darkened my lawn!!!!!
I appreciate you coming back to let me know! It’s a killer
Just get a dog. My German Shepherd has made the grass nice and green.
Took a year, and a few dirty soles, but I never really need to fertilize. lol
Uhhhhhhhh no thanks lol
Can this be used on centipede and Bermuda grass?
I don’t see why not - it’s nitrogen, iron and sulfur
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Just save yourself some money and get 10 pounds of epsom salt and water for 5 minutes for a lush, deep green lawn. You’re welcome.
Why 10 pounds?
I saw this on another video, and the guy's lawn was super green
I’ve just heard about epsom salt. What brand and how much do you apply.
Just save some money....is Epsom salt free now
I used Epsom salt and my grass is now dead
how to kill brown patch or fungus naturally
Cultural habits to prevent it in the first place are best
How much AMS per 1k?
0.5lbs
No arsenic or lead in this stuff?
I’m not sure, why do you ask?
@@TheLawnMentor iron supplements for lawns often contain those things, which is what's made me hesitant to try them
@@andy42x I don’t see it listed on the label, but I’ll have to do some more digging
@@TheLawnMentor Ironite is a popular fertilizer sold to green up lawns and plants in home gardens, golf courses and athletic fields. Data from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency shows Ironite has - by a wide margin - the highest levels of arsenic of all fertilizer products surveyed. Ironite also contains lead. But neither ingredient is listed on the Ironite label. Both can build up in the soil.
According to the Washington State Department of Health, “accidental ingestion of less than half a teaspoon of Ironite may be toxic to small children.” Arsenic is a known carcinogen and even small amounts of lead can harm a child’s ability to learn. Children can be exposed to lead and arsenic through skin contact with the soil after lawns and gardens are fertilized or by ingesting fertilizer on fertilized soil.
I can only use granular... now what?
Why can’t you use liquid?
@@TheLawnMentor 1.5 acres of hills
@mrpickle23 they make tow behind sprayers
For the win!
I might need to try this strategy out.
When you do, come back and tell us the results! What kind of lawn do you have?
Those are some pricy products. Iron with or without some epsom salts are much less expensive. Im just learning the deprh if lawn care and Ive spent alot but now learning more and less is less pricey
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LOL you're gonna hit all the videos up aren't you haha
Thanks ! The link to GreenEffect leads to a 404.
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Thank you! Fixed above
I didn’t see much of a difference in grass color
Maybe the camera doesn’t do it Justice 🤷🏻♂️
I don't use liquids so I will continue using ironite.
To each their own! Why no liquids?
@@TheLawnMentor Cost of a lawn sprayer and mess dealing with sprayers. You need to dedicate the sprayers too or clean them out real good. Admittedly, I am not a lawn fanatic. I do use a sprayer for applying glyphosate but I would not dare using it for anything else. I actually also use Weed B Gon spray: My 24 ounce pre-mixed container is going on 5 years now.
Lawns need lots of nitrogen.
U could spend a lot of money with these products if u have a big lawn
Try to keep it cheap!
You said the name so fast , I couldn’t understand what you said
Ferrous Ammonium Sulfate
Not a huge difference in the green what type of grass is it.... Most of the you tubers only see super dark green dependant on there grass... I used rgs ect but if you really look at most other people's Lawns they look pretty much the same if u use the products or not
I have TTTF out front. The rate I used was conservative and you could for sure go a little higher! Maybe the camera didn’t show it but I for sure saw a difference in a MUCH shorter amount of time than ironite. Cheaper too.
Did not change much by my eyes
Green Effect turned my lawn from dark green to lime green 😢
Say whaaaaat? That don’t sound right
I see absolutely no difference
sorry look same and probably a little worst to me,
Uh, just use DEF. Just iron is for noobs.
Do you have degree in chemistry or are you just reading labels and selling product?
Neither.
This is not appropriate for alkaline soil. Most of what we see on UA-cam are soils from back East. It's unfortunate people don't tell us where they live...at least a state or region; it would be insightful for the rest of the uninformed.
You’re completely wrong. I’m in southeast Michigan with alkaline soil myself. PH 7.2. The whole point of using chelated iron is to avoid the iron availability issues that come with high/low ph soils. It’s pretty unreasonable to expect people to reveal where they live in every UA-cam video you watch. Although, location is in the description of this very video so maybe you should check there first before you make comments like this
My soil pH is high (alkaline), and I asked lawn care community and learned that ASF helps. 1 lbs per 1000sq.ft per month. I am also applying ASF & Ferros SF every month. on top of that I also apply Citric acid too.