I dislike Suarez as a person, but he was undeniably incredible. Had it not been for Ronaldo, Messi and his character then Suarez would have multiple Balon d’ors
Ronaldo’s greatest ever season was in 2015. He made 84 g/a that year. Suarez had 83…… in his prime, 2013-17, he averaged 56 goal contributions per season. The only other plays in the history of the sport to match those numbers is Messi, Lewa, and G. Muller. Luis Suarez is indeed, one of the greatest strikers, footballers, the game has ever known. The eye proves it and so does the numbers.
@@Conker66 Not really comparable to Ronaldo and Messi due to longevity though. Suarez Peak is almost Ronaldo level, Messi a tier above, but overall career Ronaldo and Messi blows him out of the water
@@oblitorix21 How about you actually address the argument presented instead of coming with some nilly willy statement that’s irrelevant to the topic at hand.
@@fr0ntend I would say Lewa, Ibra & Suarez are in their own bracket just below. Considering how great cr7 and Messi have been that's by no means unimpressive. They all deserve a balloon d'or but yeah. It went to Messi and Ronaldo even in years they probably didn't deserve it
obviously cole is the best LB in prem history and he was always gonna make the combined 11, but its not as bad a shout as you think... Robertson is a top class fullback and doesnt always get the recognition he deserves because of what trent is doing on the opposite side yet hes right up there for highest assisting defenders right behind trent ... but cole is still the best no doubt
Give it 20 years until it becomes cool to be nostalgic and this will be a conversation people are at least willing to have. It's very hard to get into a combined 11 in the Prem because those spots are reserved by players from an era where English football was moderately successful. If they were as great as people want to remember, why didn't England win anything? Scotland have as many international titles as England does. So therefore, Che Adams is an all-time great.
We are talking about individually here, don't go to another topic. Ronaldo said A.Cole was his toughest opponent. And some do consider Ronaldo the Goat. So yeah no matter what era, Ashley is the best lb in the prem@@imRehnzy
@@dcfootball1 You're not an individual in football though. You're part of a team. You know I have a point. The bias towards players of that era is very very favorabl. And with time I think the conversation will become a lot closer. The sport is a lot more competitive now. Everyone is just better, fitter. I think Kyle walker and Gary Neville will be a much closer discussion as well. I didn't say Robertson will be considered better. But when he too becomes this mythical player from a past time. I think he will get his credit in comparations. Just a shame he's not English
@@ashconbeats8414 terry is a better tackler and raw defender than vvd, but vvd is for sure better at passing. There’s a difference between thinking vvd is overrated and completely ignoring all his world class attributes
Most goals in the league since the start of 2017/18 season: 1.salah-137 2.kane-135 Most assists in the league since the start of 2017/18 season: 1.de bruyne-85 2.salah-72 But hey he’s just a g/a merchant who’s won every single trophy in club football that you can win with a team and has 55 goals and 19 assists against the big 6 in 95 games. People act like these numbers are normal and any bum at any club could get them. How many wingers in European football has more than 1 season of scoring 30+ goals in the 21st century? Just 1. Neymar twice and salah has done it 4 times. Btw I’m not including Messi or Ronaldo.
Can’t deny Cech was great in that season, but you also have to look at the playstyles, Chelsea often played very defensively while Liverpool plYed an extremely high line very offensive way of football, which naturally leaves more space for the opponent to play into on a counter
But then by that logic you could say that Hazard shouldn’t even be compared to Salah - In Hazard’s best season he only scored 16 prem goals compared to Salah’s 32. People will use stats when it suits them but then ignore them when it doesn’t
I can't argue that it is Drogba, based on accomplishments in the Premier League. But i will crack a laugh if anyone says as a footballer, Drogba was better. Suarez did incredible things in an absolutely dreadful Liverpool team, then got his name in the MSN, which will be the golden standard for decades to come. Like come on. Drogba wouldn't even carry Messi's waterbottle.
Suarez carrying a rubbish Liverpool side in comparison to the juggernaut team that Chelsea was, it makes up for the difference in years. Suarez > Drogba in any metric
2:00-2:45-Can't agree more with the Chelsea fan.To my mind, there is no room for comparison between the two.If you want insane numbers on the score sheet and consistency, you are going to take Salah but if you want elegant, classy and flashy ball-progressing moves, playmaking, passing, crossing, skills, you are going to take Hazard.Each of them on the top of his game in his own field.
Not in the premier league. Same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position
@@LoyalFan9383 yeah 🧢 😂 Ronaldo was good in prem but he never sustained the Level Salah has in the prem. his prem legacy isn’t like Salah’s purely cos of how long Salah did it for, no one is questioning Ronaldo’s ability but don’t disrespect Salah please as far as prem goes
@@TP-pq9xxKDB hasn't scored more than Lampard bro. Till this day you can't show me another central midfielder who's scored 10+ prem goals for 9 seasons straight.
I love when people bring up consistency about hazard...hazard was carrying teams to doubles since he was 18. Where was Salah at 18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25???? The one thing I'll say about Salah is that Salah could possibly make a All Time Prem XI, Hazard couldn't
Team picks itself: Alisson Trent Terry Virg Cole Gerrard Kante Lampard Salah Suarez Hazard Close calls: Cech, Ivanovic, Mane I cant really see an argument for anyone else
Cech is better but wouldn’t fight Alison and for the strikers, Suarez is obviously the better player but the it’s the same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position. Drogba did it for longer in the PL and had more success so as for the PL, Drogba wins that, whereas Suarez in the convo of best ever 9s and Drogba isn’t
Where would you play palmer in our current 11,I dont think he get in our front 3 and I don't think he suits our midfield play I think he is chelsea best player this season but just don't see how he would fit
People need to realise Cech played for Mourinho - a manager well known for bus parking. Allison played for Klopp - a manager well known for all out attack. Of course one will concede less than the other. Allison is simply the better keeper overall.
Huh??? How did Trent get into the team? Everyone knows his defending isn't anywhere near his attacking display. For a defender who knows how to defend. You can easily put in Azpi/Ivanovic.
All the points you could make for John Terry in an argument against van Dijk and you pick passing, the 1 unquestionable thing van Dijk is sooooo much better at😂
"Hazard was being spoke about in the same league as Messi"... No, no he wasn't. Only a Chelsea fan could even think of something like that. Salah was miles closer to Messi than Hazard was and even then they're not even close 😂😂😂
Just so everyone overlooking Drogba knows Drogba had a better Goals per minute than Suarez. Anyways just remember Boths these strikers are incredible. Scoring as many goals as they did while never being the penalty takers for their teams. Incredible from both
Hazard was compared to messi. Salah is compared to Hazard. Hazard was playing every game for Lille when he was 16. That's why his career ended earlier. Hazard>>>>>>Salah. Also G/a isn't everything. Otherwise Liverpool fans have to put Lampard ahead of Gerrard.
Stop it Salah is the greatest #7 in football history. Hazard is better dribbler that’s all. Is there a #7 that scores 30 goals every season in football history?????
Wrong french team, It's Lille not Lyon. Don't waffle the petty defense of Hazard when against Salah. They both wingers and one has the mentality to go through opponents and consistently contribute for 7+ years. Hazard was always said to be lazym even by his own teammates. And it shows that he has no year in which he performed higher than Salah. And when he went a team that could win the CL he ended up winning as a passenger
suarez was twice the player drogba was ,in the pl suarez scored 69 in 110 games drogba scored 100 in almost 230 while playing for a team way better than that liverpool side. If you compare suarez whole career its not close
John Terry was two footed and would constantly switch play, again, WITH BOTH FEET, effortlessly. Those who think VVD could pass better either have just barely started watching football or are delus*onal. The ONLY thing VVD has over Terry is his pace. THAT’S IT. I’ll say this, John Terry is the greatest center back the English League has ever had, bar Bobby Moore. Dude a top 5-7 all time CB.
Pace, Strength, Long Ball passing and 1 on 1 defending is what he’s better than Terry in lmfao VVD does 6 left foot switches A GAME let alone every couple games :/ Terry is undeniably one of the greater CBs we’ve seen in recent times but top 5-7 of all time is a ridiculous shout man. Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Beckenbaugher, Baresi, Thuram, Desailly and Ramos are all better than Terry hell id even throw in Stam and Costacurta over Terry too
@@thatonebirtyd5058 let’s talk about it. John Terry was a shot stopper who could ball play. Nesta, Cannavaro, Thuram, Stam, Vidic, and Desailly were all defensively astute. Better at defending yes, but marginally. I’m talking increments. That said, NONE could ball play like Terry. NONE had his vision and rage of passing. Terry was the best of both worlds, a unicorn in the game. Finding a center-back who’s a hybrid of BOTH defensive styles is beyond rare. John Terry was that and more. We’re talking VVD though right? Terry was better at marking, intercepting, tackling, sliding, and was stronger. Dude would throw his ENTIRE body at the ball, face first. Terry had a better right and left foot than VVD. Terry was SIGNIFICANTLY a better leader and captain. VVD isn’t half the man Terry was and that’s a fact. Ask Van Basten what he thinks of VVD, youtube it. The quality of competition Terry faced was also far, FAR, superior. I support both Chelsea AND Milan. I’m picking Terry over Nesta, Costacurta, Tassotti, and Desailly.
@@Conker66 you supporting two clubs is all I needed to see let alone pointing out what someone else said about VVD lmfao 1 person saying bad things about him doesn’t make him any less the player he clearly is and does a true captain cheat his teammates behind there back with spouses? Again not football related but wow some great captain material there… when you mention great captains in the premier league no one’s first thought is Terry nor VVDs so bringing up he’s a better captain despite VVD literally not being captain his entire career is a silly argument. Okay so he can throw his face at the ball (quite literally) but VVD has mastered the art of standing on his feet and actually keeping players away instead of flying in and getting past over like a salmon in a bucket with no water… so because the names are bigger we should just forget anything before and after the 2000s since different Eras mean nothing outside of that time period? Once again we’ve been over this VVD had more attempted and successful long ball passes in his career than Terry does
Yup. I'd pick Terry over VVD because Terry really made Cech look greater. VVD Is brilliant but Alisson is very often left on his own to avert disasters. I know tactical system comes into play there too. But Terry was always exactly where he needed to be, and i truly believe Alisson would've done as good or better in that Chelsea team
@@Iamwhatyousayiam It doesn't reflect a goalkeepers ability. It depends on the team around them and the tactic. You need save percentages and xga to see it for what it is. Haaland will score twice as many goals if he has De Bruyne providing for him. That doesn't make Haaland better or worse. Other things impact a number like that. That's why xg was introduced.
@@Iamwhatyousayiam ability wise , Alisson edges it cuz he offers more as a GK ... ppl keeping bringing up Honours and although they are important , theyre not the only factor to be considered... Stevie G never won a Prem yet hes better than every chelsea midefielder in their history... All I'm saying is theres a debate to be had there with the goalies whereas the rest of the 11 practically picks itself
It's so refreshing to see a non biased team selection. Both lads were fair. If it was someone like Rory, then the video would have been a joke. The only one I disagree with is Drogba over Suarez.
Not in the premier league. Suarez is obviously the better player but the it’s the same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position. Drogba did it for longer in the PL and had more success so as for the PL, Drogba wins that, whereas Suarez in the convo of best ever 9s and Drogba isn’t
That’s not what he’s saying and he didn’t even argue against Salah at all. They both put forward their teams best player’s in that position and they debate who gets in the team. If you watch other episodes that’s how it works.
You are right. Salah deserves more respect in my opinion. I remember he started that game in April 2014 and even got booked. His celebrations after Demba Ba goal were joyful and sincere. What a talent he was back then. Big up to Chelsea legend Chicken Tikka Mosalah! 😆
Funny you say Céch was the best from 04 to 12 but a guy in his late 30s was making him sweat and won more legs than him, Vidić won titles with his brilliance while Van dijk collected bottles with his, Behave little man.
Its difficult to compare cuz they didnt really play the same position .... gerrard was better allrounded kinda player because he could practically play any position but then again what rooney could do offensively was better than stevie G so i guess it comes down to what criteria you use to judge the best english player but either of them wouldn't be a wrong answer
@@AirPierre I’d love to agree, but Rooney has it all… Uniteds top scorer Was England’s until harry kane took over Assists galore Titles and trophies doesn’t go unnoticed Heavily regarded by all as a premier league great, one of the best in the league… Yeah gerrard has similar qualities but Wayne Rooney was different gravy
@@ChubsEdits yeah i dont disagree with that cuz i do think rooney is england's best ever talent , Id just say Stevie G is better balanced allround defensively and offensively but not saying hes englands best ever player cuz since rooney was 16 years old, he was already levels above the rest
The debate should not even start 3 champions league finals in 5 years you could do the full Defence in Liverpool this Liverpool generation was the best ever
All that means is that Sarah played in the CL more times than Hazard loool. What point are you trying to make??? Salah is better than Hazard but you made a poor point
Cech was great but he wouldn't be able to sweep as well or make nearly as many 1v1 saves as Alisson has done with Liverpool's high line and more attacking playstyle. Alisson's save stats are insane and far above other goalkeepers and I don't think Cech's would be as high. Not to mention that Alisson is much more comfortable with his feet.
You said "I don't think", don't think, but look it up. I would still argue Cech. 4 premier leagues plus 4 fa cups plus champions leagues says enough about it
@@djcrazy941026 How can I "look up" how well Cech would perform in a team that play modern football like Liverpool? Actually, the closest thing would probably be his time at Arsenal which wasn't exactly amazing. Also the trophy argument is so boring because 1) Alisson hasn't finished his career yet 2) Trophies are won by teams, not just goalkeepers and 3) Cech wasn't up against a Pep Guardiola nation state-backed oil team. Actually, he was part of a different kind of oil team himself.
@Simnuvo you said Allison save stats. You can look up Cech save stats. We don't have what if scenarios, we have actual stats and facts. It's not a boring argument. Watch the champions league final, watch how Cech saved 3 penalties, and he went in the right direction in all 6 during the game. I'm just giving facts, not what if scenarios.
@@djcrazy941026 The point is that I think Cech's stats would be lower if he was in a less defensive team that play with more attacking risk as his time at Arsenal suggested even though he was getting on a bit in age. It's a discussion that needs to be spoken about in a hypothetical sense because we'll never know how Cech would perform in this Liverpool team compared to Alisson but you seem incapable of that kind of nuanced thought haha. So you think save stats are the same regardless of the team you play in yeah? And yeah Cech done well on the penalties on that occasion (his penalty saving record at Arsenal was abysmal though), but you said "champions leagues" earlier as if he won more than one. Once Alisson has retired and also has the benefit of the same kind of nostalgia, I think he'll gain even more respect. I don't remember Cech being universally considered the best gk itw at the time the same way Alisson is atm. Cech's got more respect as time has went on.
Gerrard being in the all time PL XI without actually winning a prem goes to show how much quality he had, you could play him anywhere on the pitch and he’d be the MOTM
What a load of bollocks. Czech over Allison? Lampard over Alonso and drofba over Suarez? Let’s look at honours etc. o do before premier league. Football been around for years. Terry argument was basically Alan Hansen. Who did it 10 years before him.
Is Doyle right or do you back Zac?
Who's better: Terry or Van Dijk?👇
JT
Terry
Van Dijk
Terry easily
terry
I dislike Suarez as a person, but he was undeniably incredible. Had it not been for Ronaldo, Messi and his character then Suarez would have multiple Balon d’ors
Ronaldo’s greatest ever season was in 2015. He made 84 g/a that year.
Suarez had 83…… in his prime, 2013-17, he averaged 56 goal contributions per season. The only other plays in the history of the sport to match those numbers is Messi, Lewa, and G. Muller.
Luis Suarez is indeed, one of the greatest strikers, footballers, the game has ever known. The eye proves it and so does the numbers.
@@Conker66 Not really comparable to Ronaldo and Messi due to longevity though. Suarez Peak is almost Ronaldo level, Messi a tier above, but overall career Ronaldo and Messi blows him out of the water
@@fr0ntend That's coz Messi was the main focus jus like Benzema sacrificed for cr7.
Context is a beautiful thing. Use it.
@@oblitorix21 How about you actually address the argument presented instead of coming with some nilly willy statement that’s irrelevant to the topic at hand.
@@fr0ntend I would say Lewa, Ibra & Suarez are in their own bracket just below. Considering how great cr7 and Messi have been that's by no means unimpressive. They all deserve a balloon d'or but yeah. It went to Messi and Ronaldo even in years they probably didn't deserve it
Ivanovich gets no respect from Chelsea fans. Not even a shout
Neither does Carvalho, criminally underrated
Ivanovic was far better than Azpilicueta
@@entmeister-general415no
@@surfinbearbeatsno
@@LoyalFan9383 Yes he scored crucial goals in the 2012 champions league campaign and in the 2013 Europa league Final
Correct answer:
Cech
Trent Terry Virgil Cole
Lamps kante gerrard
Salah Suarez hazard
U know ball mate! Perfect combined 11
Yeah. You pretty much just saved us all about 25 min
No one cares about your opinion
@@DAVID-kl6iiokay David btw haha
agree
Robertson over Ashley Cole is one of the worst shouts I have ever heard
obviously cole is the best LB in prem history and he was always gonna make the combined 11, but its not as bad a shout as you think... Robertson is a top class fullback and doesnt always get the recognition he deserves because of what trent is doing on the opposite side yet hes right up there for highest assisting defenders right behind trent ... but cole is still the best no doubt
Give it 20 years until it becomes cool to be nostalgic and this will be a conversation people are at least willing to have. It's very hard to get into a combined 11 in the Prem because those spots are reserved by players from an era where English football was moderately successful. If they were as great as people want to remember, why didn't England win anything?
Scotland have as many international titles as England does. So therefore, Che Adams is an all-time great.
We are talking about individually here, don't go to another topic. Ronaldo said A.Cole was his toughest opponent. And some do consider Ronaldo the Goat. So yeah no matter what era, Ashley is the best lb in the prem@@imRehnzy
@@dcfootball1 You're not an individual in football though. You're part of a team. You know I have a point. The bias towards players of that era is very very favorabl. And with time I think the conversation will become a lot closer. The sport is a lot more competitive now. Everyone is just better, fitter. I think Kyle walker and Gary Neville will be a much closer discussion as well. I didn't say Robertson will be considered better. But when he too becomes this mythical player from a past time. I think he will get his credit in comparations. Just a shame he's not English
It’s closer than you think
"I think Alisson is still playing" - epic ball knowledge on show today!
"Terry was a better passer than Van Dijk" is a delusional statement 😂
You clearly don’t know ball hahahahaha
Loool how is that delusional he was clearly a better passer.
@@ashconbeats8414 terry is a better tackler and raw defender than vvd, but vvd is for sure better at passing. There’s a difference between thinking vvd is overrated and completely ignoring all his world class attributes
@@ashconbeats8414Terry was objectively a better pass than Van Dijk
@@Jordidwaardwhat have I just heard please stop talking 🤣 mans talking about assists hahahahhaha, npcs man
Most goals in the league since the start of 2017/18 season:
1.salah-137
2.kane-135
Most assists in the league since the start of 2017/18 season:
1.de bruyne-85
2.salah-72
But hey he’s just a g/a merchant who’s won every single trophy in club football that you can win with a team and has 55 goals and 19 assists against the big 6 in 95 games.
People act like these numbers are normal and any bum at any club could get them.
How many wingers in European football has more than 1 season of scoring 30+ goals in the 21st century? Just 1. Neymar twice and salah has done it 4 times. Btw I’m not including Messi or Ronaldo.
Huge respect for the Azpi shout 😏
You people debating allison over cech dont know ball 😂 15 goals conceded in a season with pen saves included. It's not close...
Can’t deny Cech was great in that season, but you also have to look at the playstyles, Chelsea often played very defensively while Liverpool plYed an extremely high line very offensive way of football, which naturally leaves more space for the opponent to play into on a counter
don’t act like if Alisson was in that incredible defensive Chelsea he would have conceded more than 15.
He conceded 13 considering he didn’t play last two games of the season… I don’t even see the point of that convo
But then by that logic you could say that Hazard shouldn’t even be compared to Salah - In Hazard’s best season he only scored 16 prem goals compared to Salah’s 32.
People will use stats when it suits them but then ignore them when it doesn’t
@@97YNWA97 that’s a hypothetical
Only correct team
Cech
Cole Terry VVD Dave
Kante Gerrad Lampard
Salah Suarez Hazard
“The things Suarez went on to do at Real Madrid”.. You what? 😂
☠️☠️😭😭😭
@@Helmutlang120 I think he meant Courtois. He didn't properly reference Courtois after mentioning Suarez
This Liverpool fan should have fought for Suarez more, he just was the better striker
No. It's a premier league 11. Drogba had way more good seasons in the Prem than Suarez. Overall it would be Suarez but for the Prem it's Drogba 100%
Súarez only being at Liverpool for 2 and a half seasons hurts his case unfortunately. If he was there for 4 or 5 seasons it wouldn’t be a debate.
I can't argue that it is Drogba, based on accomplishments in the Premier League. But i will crack a laugh if anyone says as a footballer, Drogba was better. Suarez did incredible things in an absolutely dreadful Liverpool team, then got his name in the MSN, which will be the golden standard for decades to come. Like come on. Drogba wouldn't even carry Messi's waterbottle.
Suarez carrying a rubbish Liverpool side in comparison to the juggernaut team that Chelsea was, it makes up for the difference in years. Suarez > Drogba in any metric
Don't be dumb. Drogba had a better prem legacy. It's not that complicated. Suarez liked biting opponents tho. @@eldiego68
I’ve listen to Zac on a few occasions now and I’m starting to doubt that he’s actually a Chelsea fan
I think it's his personality. One of those that forgets to bring something important into the argument.
Then has shower thoughts 😂😂
Suarez and drogba have same amount of seasons with 15+ league goals.
Lol how about 20+ how about outscoring messi and ronaldo
Huh
@@jayzretrogaminz17was that in the prem?
Suárez has more 20+ goal seasons in the prem despite playing there 5 less years. Now what?
@@ElSeñorLump starting to think that drogba might be a little overrated.
“Drogba never had a season as good as Suarez” 09/10 37 goals in 44 games , does our fan know what he’s talking about?
I'd love see Drogba win a European golden shoe during the prime Messi and Ronaldo era😂😂🤷
True his 2010 PL season was similar to Suarez 2014, he didn't take no penalties and played 32 games only
Suarez was the 3rd best player of his generation behind only Messi and CR7. Drogba couldn’t lace his boots
Yeah but didn't he score five goals against Wigan in a 9-0 win on final day for a far better Chelsea side than any Liverpool team Suarez played in.
Drogbas prem legacy is bigger simple as. @@entmeister-general415
The funny thing is if Suarez and Drogba took penalties they would both have a better PL goal scoring season than Haaland’s record breaking one.
tbf andy robertson was the top assister as a defender in Premier League history, trent just recently overtook him. its hard to pick him over cole...
Leaving out Suarez is crazy
Robbo is highly underrated. Numbers don’t lie. As good as Cole was his numbers weren’t Robbo’s level
2:00-2:45-Can't agree more with the Chelsea fan.To my mind, there is no room for comparison between the two.If you want insane numbers on the score sheet and consistency, you are going to take Salah but if you want elegant, classy and flashy ball-progressing moves, playmaking, passing, crossing, skills, you are going to take Hazard.Each of them on the top of his game in his own field.
You know what, I think this is a pretty damn good result! What a team btw!
Drogba over suarez is crazy 😂😂😂
Cech only conceded 15 goals
And then the next season only lost one game. What we really doing here?
Those 2 things happened in the same season...
So
@@Kitumi578so
Cech also won 4 premier league, 4 fa cups, 1 champions league.
@@djcrazy941026 so
Drogna over Suarez is crazy
Not in the premier league. Same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position
@@itiswhatitis2767but Ronaldo > Salah
@@LoyalFan9383 yeah clearly Ronaldo is better but not when you’re talking about premier league legacy
@@itiswhatitis2767 Tbf even for the prem he’s better
@@LoyalFan9383 yeah 🧢 😂 Ronaldo was good in prem but he never sustained the Level Salah has in the prem. his prem legacy isn’t like Salah’s purely cos of how long Salah did it for, no one is questioning Ronaldo’s ability but don’t disrespect Salah please as far as prem goes
Cant use the consistancy/stats for the salah shout then say gerrard is better than lampard when the stats don't back him up
Depends on which stats don't it? Midfielders are so diverse in roles compared to wingers
Neither Lampard nor Gerrard can be in the conversation with KDB if we're talking about stats.
@@TP-pq9xxKDB hasn't scored more than Lampard bro.
Till this day you can't show me another central midfielder who's scored 10+ prem goals for 9 seasons straight.
@@ucbrowser2447salah and hazard aren’t even the same type of players. Just because they both played winger doesn’t mean they had the same role
Completely different positions and you don’t just use stats lol
The best footballer he’s ever seen play for Liverpool…is a Chelsea reject. Funny that.
Chelshit is small pub club
Your club was only successful because of a KGB agent's blood money. Literally a nothing club.
then they begged for him to come
Yeah it is funny. Let’s all laugh at Chelsea 😂
Since when did Gerrard play for Chelsea?
I love when people bring up consistency about hazard...hazard was carrying teams to doubles since he was 18. Where was Salah at 18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25????
The one thing I'll say about Salah is that Salah could possibly make a All Time Prem XI, Hazard couldn't
Team picks itself:
Alisson
Trent Terry Virg Cole
Gerrard Kante Lampard
Salah Suarez Hazard
Close calls: Cech, Ivanovic, Mane
I cant really see an argument for anyone else
Cech has to be in for allison
I’d put Azpi over trent me
Cech is better but wouldn’t fight Alison and for the strikers, Suarez is obviously the better player but the it’s the same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position. Drogba did it for longer in the PL and had more success so as for the PL, Drogba wins that, whereas Suarez in the convo of best ever 9s and Drogba isn’t
@@BeBear02😂😂😂
@@TaxEvader22LMAOOOOOOO
Love how they did all time XI for this one since even they knew only Palmer would make the current combined XI 🤣
Where would you play palmer in our current 11,I dont think he get in our front 3 and I don't think he suits our midfield play
I think he is chelsea best player this season but just don't see how he would fit
@@matthewlynch5124any coach worth their salt would find a way to fit Palmer in, especially in that Right Half Space.
Terry is THE most underrated defender in world football.
A combined XI would only have Palmer in the 10 as a Chelsea player surrounded by 10 Liverpool players lol
Great fun this! Looking forward to the game on Sunday! 💙
Gerrard is the best player for LFC, all time
Our Chelsea fan doesn’t even know that we got Azpilicueta from Marseille…
People need to realise Cech played for Mourinho - a manager well known for bus parking. Allison played for Klopp - a manager well known for all out attack. Of course one will concede less than the other. Allison is simply the better keeper overall.
Huh??? How did Trent get into the team? Everyone knows his defending isn't anywhere near his attacking display.
For a defender who knows how to defend. You can easily put in Azpi/Ivanovic.
Yeah Chelsea that scored the 2nd most goals in the league in 04/05 parked the bus.
Saying no one knows who Drogba was, I watched him against liverpool at marseille and was hoping we would sign him
Only correct answer from a United fan, so no bias:
Allison
TAA, Virg, JT, Coke
Kante, Frank, Stevie
Salah, Suarez, Eden
sorry but alisson is not better than Cech
Cech>> Alisson
@@TheOGTriumphI agree alisson is much better
@@calm123at what 😂😂😂😂
What a team, would win every trophy available for many seasons
Drogba is king. What is this nonesense.
Not that close to Suarez’s level
Someone give Doyle the help he desperately needs
Hard watch this. I’m out. Not sure if il come back to finish this off. So glad proper footy is back on.
In 10 years van dijk will be remembered as best pl cb oat
“It comes down to the honours for me” asif Alisson hasn’t won every trophy available for him to win at Liverpool 😂😂😂
I have been waiting for this debate
All the points you could make for John Terry in an argument against van Dijk and you pick passing, the 1 unquestionable thing van Dijk is sooooo much better at😂
Gerrard wishes he was half of what Lamps was
holy moly, someone call the delulu doctor
Gerrard is the best english footballer of all time
Wish?
Well thankfully that's only in your head 😂
. Cech
Azpi | VVD | Terry | Cole
Makelele
Lampard | Gerrard
Salah | Drogba | Hazard
Lmfao.
Ivanovic is a huge shout
I'd love a Chelsea United all time combined 11. Never seen a video on it either
"Hazard was being spoke about in the same league as Messi"... No, no he wasn't. Only a Chelsea fan could even think of something like that. Salah was miles closer to Messi than Hazard was and even then they're not even close 😂😂😂
Terry is the best defender ever in the Premier League...FACTS
Just so everyone overlooking Drogba knows
Drogba had a better Goals per minute than Suarez.
Anyways just remember Boths these strikers are incredible. Scoring as many goals as they did while never being the penalty takers for their teams. Incredible from both
My opinion is:
Ali
TAA, Terry, Virgil, Cole
Gerrard, Kante, Lampard
Salah, Suarez, Mane
Dt: Klopp
Suarez over Drogba is questionable. Mane over Hazard is delusion
@@YBrandinho80Suarez > drogba is not questionable
Hazard was compared to messi. Salah is compared to Hazard. Hazard was playing every game for Lille when he was 16. That's why his career ended earlier.
Hazard>>>>>>Salah.
Also G/a isn't everything. Otherwise Liverpool fans have to put Lampard ahead of Gerrard.
Stop it Salah is the greatest #7 in football history. Hazard is better dribbler that’s all. Is there a #7 that scores 30 goals every season in football history?????
@@Baasta CR7 exists.
Wrong french team, It's Lille not Lyon. Don't waffle the petty defense of Hazard when against Salah. They both wingers and one has the mentality to go through opponents and consistently contribute for 7+ years. Hazard was always said to be lazym even by his own teammates. And it shows that he has no year in which he performed higher than Salah. And when he went a team that could win the CL he ended up winning as a passenger
Hazard says Salah is “way better” than himself
Stopped reading when you said Hazard played for Lyon. That statement tells me all I need to know about anything you say afterwards
John Terry is the GOAT.
Would love to see him catch up to mbappe like Virgil
suarez was twice the player drogba was ,in the pl suarez scored 69 in 110 games drogba scored 100 in almost 230 while playing for a team way better than that liverpool side. If you compare suarez whole career its not close
Drogba was also responsible for defending set pieces.. and he didn’t take penalties.
@@azgardian32odinson Suarez didn't take any either at Liverpool. They still had Gerrard
@@azgardian32odinsonzo
Well Suarez played in very attacking team while Drogba didnt. Also Chelsea had Lampard, Anelka to share goal loads.
@@frankreynolds9930 huh
No shout for Firmino? Cmon mate
Mate he doesn’t even compare to Suarez never mind you still have Drogba aswell.
@@jackmarshall-vc3rolol suraez is better than drogba what are we doing here
@@jackmarshall-vc3rodrogba 🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂😂😂😂
Spot on apart from RB, Azpi over Trent all day. Win the league at RB, won it at LCB and played CB and LB too. Mr consistent gets in
got the worst possible chelsea fan on there
Yeah, hes got no backbone. The guys probably scared of his own shadow. The Liverpool fan was bullying him.
I think he was unbiased and really good. If it was someone like Rory, then the video would be a biased Chelsea mess.
@@MGall_ChannelRory is not a Chelsea fan bro
John Terry was two footed and would constantly switch play, again, WITH BOTH FEET, effortlessly.
Those who think VVD could pass better either have just barely started watching football or are delus*onal.
The ONLY thing VVD has over Terry is his pace. THAT’S IT.
I’ll say this, John Terry is the greatest center back the English League has ever had, bar Bobby Moore.
Dude a top 5-7 all time CB.
Pace, Strength, Long Ball passing and 1 on 1 defending is what he’s better than Terry in lmfao VVD does 6 left foot switches A GAME let alone every couple games :/ Terry is undeniably one of the greater CBs we’ve seen in recent times but top 5-7 of all time is a ridiculous shout man. Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Beckenbaugher, Baresi, Thuram, Desailly and Ramos are all better than Terry hell id even throw in Stam and Costacurta over Terry too
VVD have everything.. Terry doesnt.
@@thatonebirtyd5058 let’s talk about it.
John Terry was a shot stopper who could ball play. Nesta, Cannavaro, Thuram, Stam, Vidic, and Desailly were all defensively astute. Better at defending yes, but marginally. I’m talking increments. That said, NONE could ball play like Terry. NONE had his vision and rage of passing. Terry was the best of both worlds, a unicorn in the game. Finding a center-back who’s a hybrid of BOTH defensive styles is beyond rare. John Terry was that and more.
We’re talking VVD though right? Terry was better at marking, intercepting, tackling, sliding, and was stronger. Dude would throw his ENTIRE body at the ball, face first.
Terry had a better right and left foot than VVD. Terry was SIGNIFICANTLY a better leader and captain. VVD isn’t half the man Terry was and that’s a fact. Ask Van Basten what he thinks of VVD, youtube it. The quality of competition Terry faced was also far, FAR, superior.
I support both Chelsea AND Milan. I’m picking Terry over Nesta, Costacurta, Tassotti, and Desailly.
@@2muchblackcoffee sir, that statement alone verifies you have never seen Terry play.
Other than pace, what did VVD have that Terry didn’t.
@@Conker66 you supporting two clubs is all I needed to see let alone pointing out what someone else said about VVD lmfao 1 person saying bad things about him doesn’t make him any less the player he clearly is and does a true captain cheat his teammates behind there back with spouses? Again not football related but wow some great captain material there… when you mention great captains in the premier league no one’s first thought is Terry nor VVDs so bringing up he’s a better captain despite VVD literally not being captain his entire career is a silly argument. Okay so he can throw his face at the ball (quite literally) but VVD has mastered the art of standing on his feet and actually keeping players away instead of flying in and getting past over like a salmon in a bucket with no water… so because the names are bigger we should just forget anything before and after the 2000s since different Eras mean nothing outside of that time period? Once again we’ve been over this VVD had more attempted and successful long ball passes in his career than Terry does
Dean Saunders is somewhere having an aneurysm at the Liverpool fan saying XI instead of 11, trying to sound different
Suarez instead of salah and it's perfect
Allison is amongst the greatest goalkeepers of all time already. His level is just at a stage very few have ever hit if any.
Yup. I'd pick Terry over VVD because Terry really made Cech look greater. VVD Is brilliant but Alisson is very often left on his own to avert disasters. I know tactical system comes into play there too. But Terry was always exactly where he needed to be, and i truly believe Alisson would've done as good or better in that Chelsea team
Who's got the most clean sheets in prem history? Case closed.
@@Iamwhatyousayiam It doesn't reflect a goalkeepers ability. It depends on the team around them and the tactic. You need save percentages and xga to see it for what it is. Haaland will score twice as many goals if he has De Bruyne providing for him. That doesn't make Haaland better or worse. Other things impact a number like that. That's why xg was introduced.
@@imRehnzyyeah and without terry cech clutched up in the ucl final. Saved 3 pens and dived the right way for all.
@@imRehnzyvan dijk could do anything Terry could do but Terry couldn’t do what van dijk can do. That’s the difference
Alisson
Cole
Terry
VVD
Trent
Kante
Gerrard
Lampard
Salah
Hazard
Suarez
Man said Eze, same Eze that has been costing Crystal palace points with terrible finishing
10 outfielders basically pick themselves, the only true debate is whether you'd prefer Alisson or Cech
Cech got the most clean sheets in prem history. Winning 4 prems to Alisons 1.
Don't let the recency bias hit you.
@@Iamwhatyousayiam ability wise , Alisson edges it cuz he offers more as a GK ... ppl keeping bringing up Honours and although they are important , theyre not the only factor to be considered... Stevie G never won a Prem yet hes better than every chelsea midefielder in their history... All I'm saying is theres a debate to be had there with the goalies whereas the rest of the 11 practically picks itself
It's so refreshing to see a non biased team selection. Both lads were fair. If it was someone like Rory, then the video would have been a joke.
The only one I disagree with is Drogba over Suarez.
Not in the premier league. Suarez is obviously the better player but the it’s the same reason you wouldn’t put Ronaldo ahead of Salah in the best ever PL cos Salah did it for longer in the PL in that position. Drogba did it for longer in the PL and had more success so as for the PL, Drogba wins that, whereas Suarez in the convo of best ever 9s and Drogba isn’t
Wait, Joe Cole over Salah? That clueless man deserves a lifetime ban.
That’s not what he’s saying and he didn’t even argue against Salah at all. They both put forward their teams best player’s in that position and they debate who gets in the team. If you watch other episodes that’s how it works.
Typical loserpool fan didn't watch the video properly but wanted to comment so badly for likes
You are right. Salah deserves more respect in my opinion. I remember he started that game in April 2014 and even got booked. His celebrations after Demba Ba goal were joyful and sincere. What a talent he was back then. Big up to Chelsea legend Chicken Tikka Mosalah! 😆
What happened to Liverpool fans? Can see a common stupidity in most of them.
@@throne77fghgh86 Awh someone’s having a rough day
never in 10 billion years is drogba over suarez acceptable 😂😂😂😂😂
Funny you say Céch was the best from 04 to 12 but a guy in his late 30s was making him sweat and won more legs than him,
Vidić won titles with his brilliance while Van dijk collected bottles with his, Behave little man.
Surely Van Dijk and Terry can both go in. Who is a third CB better than those two in the history of both clubs combined?
They’re both in the prem all time XI
“Tell me who’s better than gerrard” Wayne Rooney is the best English player of all time… imo
Bobby Charlton exists as well mate!
Its difficult to compare cuz they didnt really play the same position .... gerrard was better allrounded kinda player because he could practically play any position but then again what rooney could do offensively was better than stevie G so i guess it comes down to what criteria you use to judge the best english player but either of them wouldn't be a wrong answer
@@AirPierre I’d love to agree, but Rooney has it all…
Uniteds top scorer
Was England’s until harry kane took over
Assists galore
Titles and trophies doesn’t go unnoticed
Heavily regarded by all as a premier league great, one of the best in the league…
Yeah gerrard has similar qualities but Wayne Rooney was different gravy
@@AirPierreyea i think gerrard is STILL better all-rounder 😅
@@ChubsEdits yeah i dont disagree with that cuz i do think rooney is england's best ever talent , Id just say Stevie G is better balanced allround defensively and offensively but not saying hes englands best ever player cuz since rooney was 16 years old, he was already levels above the rest
Ain’t no way y’all picked Drogba over the best striker of all time
The debate should not even start 3 champions league finals in 5 years you could do the full Defence in Liverpool this Liverpool generation was the best ever
My team - 4-3-3
Allison
TAA, Van Djik, Terry, Cole
Gerrard, Kante, Lampard
Salah, Drogba, Hazard
spot on except suarez for drogba
@@kenzieclark3714 I prefer Drogba over suarez
@@kenzieclark3714 only positions where I think there is debate is the Kepler, Kante or Makelele and Suarez or Drogba.
Taa over azpilicueta ????
@@gulamshabir9162 it was TAA or Ivanovic for me. Think the passing and crossing from TAA for that front 3 would be lethal
4 of the 5 players for Liverpool are in the current team. 7 out of 7 players for Chelsea haven’t played in the last 10 years. Nuff said.
What's your point ?
nah this chelsea guy isnt doing justice to the chelsea argument
which pick would you switch then? like what
Why
Gerard couldn't win a PL title, Lampard could
Salah has more g/a in the champions league than hazard has appearances, nuff said
Salah has more than r9 enough said
John O'Shea has 5 PL winning medals, Gerrard has none, ''nuff said''
All that means is that Sarah played in the CL more times than Hazard loool. What point are you trying to make???
Salah is better than Hazard but you made a poor point
@@qwertyvypez Dats the whole point..the more u play at the highest level the greater the player
@@Sakib97Chelsea have 0 trophies without Roman, ‘nuff said’ 😂😂😂😂😂
cech- Ivanovic Terry vvd cole- gerrard kante- salah mata hazard- Suarez
Mane didn't even get a shout... outrageous....
What about current combine eleven. I think it all Liverpool eleven😂
Suarez obviously, what is this guy waffling on about.
as a chelsea fan suarez if he spent more time in the prem, he just didnt. so it had to be drogz
Cech was great but he wouldn't be able to sweep as well or make nearly as many 1v1 saves as Alisson has done with Liverpool's high line and more attacking playstyle. Alisson's save stats are insane and far above other goalkeepers and I don't think Cech's would be as high. Not to mention that Alisson is much more comfortable with his feet.
You said "I don't think", don't think, but look it up. I would still argue Cech. 4 premier leagues plus 4 fa cups plus champions leagues says enough about it
@@djcrazy941026 How can I "look up" how well Cech would perform in a team that play modern football like Liverpool? Actually, the closest thing would probably be his time at Arsenal which wasn't exactly amazing. Also the trophy argument is so boring because 1) Alisson hasn't finished his career yet 2) Trophies are won by teams, not just goalkeepers and 3) Cech wasn't up against a Pep Guardiola nation state-backed oil team. Actually, he was part of a different kind of oil team himself.
@Simnuvo you said Allison save stats. You can look up Cech save stats. We don't have what if scenarios, we have actual stats and facts. It's not a boring argument. Watch the champions league final, watch how Cech saved 3 penalties, and he went in the right direction in all 6 during the game. I'm just giving facts, not what if scenarios.
@@djcrazy941026 The point is that I think Cech's stats would be lower if he was in a less defensive team that play with more attacking risk as his time at Arsenal suggested even though he was getting on a bit in age. It's a discussion that needs to be spoken about in a hypothetical sense because we'll never know how Cech would perform in this Liverpool team compared to Alisson but you seem incapable of that kind of nuanced thought haha. So you think save stats are the same regardless of the team you play in yeah? And yeah Cech done well on the penalties on that occasion (his penalty saving record at Arsenal was abysmal though), but you said "champions leagues" earlier as if he won more than one. Once Alisson has retired and also has the benefit of the same kind of nostalgia, I think he'll gain even more respect. I don't remember Cech being universally considered the best gk itw at the time the same way Alisson is atm. Cech's got more respect as time has went on.
@Simnuvo you keep bringing up Arsenal, you mean after his prime days were over? Maybe you can't comprehend that nuanced of age.
They got it spot on. But if we’re talking All-time XI, Liverpool dominates.
How did my man fumble to go for the greatest trio to ever play the premier league??? He could've gotten the front 3 spot
I love this discussion better than the city v arsenal.
This Chelsea fan is hopeless. Talking about Drogba he says he never had the season that Suarez had…I’m guessing he wasn’t alive in 2009/10?
Gerrard being in the all time PL XI without actually winning a prem goes to show how much quality he had, you could play him anywhere on the pitch and he’d be the MOTM
suarez>drogba, mane>hazard by a mile
What a load of bollocks. Czech over Allison? Lampard over Alonso and drofba over Suarez? Let’s look at honours etc. o do before premier league. Football been around for years. Terry argument was basically Alan Hansen. Who did it 10 years before him.
Did this Chelsea guy just say John Terry invented passing as a center back
No he said he was influential. Center backs weren’t passing all that much before 04/05, Jose really helped jt with that
I’m sorry Joe Cole over mo Salah, I closed the video
The guy representing Chelsea doesn't sound like a Chelsea fan
Because they don’t actually exist
@@thatonebirtyd5058of course we don’t you 🤡
In what world was drogba better than Suarez 🤣🤣
Terry was and will always be better than One Season Wonder VVD. Not even close.
No CB can ping a ball like VVD
Drogba 2009/10 is better than Suarez 2013/14
Drogba had 42ga Suarez had 43ga but Drogba won the double (scored in the fa cup final) Suarez won nothing
@@Blues-zn4ndif you actually believe that you should get into badminton mate. 😂
@@Blues-zn4nd Drogba had a better team, Suarez carried that Liverpool team. And Suarez missed games due to suspension
@@Blues-zn4ndhuh