1,500 Lumen Thrunite T1 vs. Olight S1R Baton II
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"But she won't even notice that" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 brilliant!
Seems to me that the Olight was brighter. And smaller.
Yeah. The projector lens on the Olight focuses the beam into a brighter hot spot.
@@HarleyWood23 the olight seem like it lit up more than the trulight. But thats just me
My buddy has the thrunite and I have an olight. I thought his would be brighter just because of his lumen output but I guess like mentioned the olight with its tighter more focused beam it actually looks brighter than the thrunite. Both are good lights though can't go wrong either way
@@tonylopez5239 i now own both of these lights and they both have their advantages of brightness. If you are somewhere and need to see further and a light up a wider area(like in the woods at night)then the thru light is better due to its flood light effect and much wider range of light. But if your wanting to find something you dropped on the ground wanting more light focused in a smaller/tighter area then the olight has the advantage. I prefer the thrunite when camping ,fishing or any outdoor activity also the "unlimited" ramping of the brightness is a bonus while in the woods. But at work i have to work under cabinets,in attics, ect which sits the olights more focused beam better. Regardless which one you choose they are both insane for their size and are great fo in any situation but for my money the thrunite is my go to.
Great review. I’m sure glad I found your channel. I’m an Olight junkie. I buy their flashlights that I don’t even need. My wife carries the SR1 baton as well. If you hit it right, you can get the Olight for 48 bucks instead of 60. So for the same price, you can enjoy the superior product. IMHO of course
yeah same here man. I think i have every light (multiple of some) that they've released in the past two years. Thanks for watching.
Just wanted to throw it out there. The reason the clips have the double bend is so you can clip them in either orientation.
Exactly. If you can’t figure that out then maybe you shouldn’t be reviewing flashlights. Just saying.
Chris Ortiz - yah, you can see that both have the same clip style which can be carried either up or down
Some the clip can be attached to a baseball type caps and not just at the waist.
@@intergalacticmailbox He does. literally said that @7:55. Go off though, I guess.
Jason Parham My bad. Thanks you shining a light (pun intended) on the truth. 🙏🙂
My phone has a usb c now, love the magnetic charging. I must be an olight fan boy.
Just got my t1 for $36 on Amazon. Hell of a deal! I already own a tc20 and the catapult. I prefer them in cool white for the look, instead of the "yellow" natural white. I work graveyard so i use my lights all the time and the best part is that the battery lasts a long time and i only need one cable and charger.
Those micro USB are such a weak spot. I can't tell you how manys times that has gone bad on heavy use items like phones etc. Love the magnet charge on Olight. I agree on the reflector down carry. But the fast and easy charge on the O is big for me. One big negative on the O that I didn't hear is that it needs a special battery but maybe I missed it.
I have found the olight s1r baton 2 to be perfect for me as a work light, I work in a fertiliser plant and have destroyed an imalent DN70 with micro usb charging purely because dust and acidic moisture gets in and shorts out everything so the magnetic charging is a must for me, secondly it fits perfect in a pocket without any discomfort ever and most importantly the clip and length of the light allows for it to fit straight onto the brim of a hard hat very securely, olight certainly hit a home run with their design of the s1r baton 2
Thanks for the head to head. I was about to drop the hammer on getting the Olight (I am sure I will later anyway) but wanted a comparison first. It looks like the T1 is a great deal.
The magnetic base charger on the Olight is a pretty cool thing, but I agree that it can be handier to have a common charger that I will be carrying in the car or on the bike anyway.
I have both and prefer my olight. My olight seems brighter with more throw.
HarleyWood has become my go to channel for flashlight videos.
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You can carry the olight with lens down or up with that clip.
Chuck Beef - yah, you can see that both have the same clip style which can be carried either up or down
The advantage of the Olight is that it can use a standard CR123 battery, so when camping and away from a power supply you can simply pop in a CR123 and you have a fully functional light. I've done this many times during an outing and having to recharge in the field does not make sense.
James (Jimmy) Carter ....agreed. Big advantage I think. And beyond that, l love the magentic charging at home and I keep an extra cable in my car. I have an L dock at home as well. Very cool accessory
Nice review. 1st rune viewer here. Had given up on thrunite about 2 years ago after they denied warranty on a t12? I believe. After 2 months it stopped working. Sent it back. They claimed it wad dropped from a height greater than their warranty. It wasn't. Used olight since. Im on the fence about this one. Great review though.
Think the performance at night for the olight means that's the light for me.
I never understand why people tend to complain about carrying the charger for the OLight. It weighs nothing and is like a foot and a half long.
I think its just a redundancy issue. I have no idea how many micro usb cords I have but I have many and they're everywhere! I have some in the car, I have at least one in every pack, I have them in drawers, some plugged in ready to go on my desk, I have many grouped up in a zip lock bag thats stored away with other cables. Almost every piece of tech i have from cameras to electric shavers uses them. I have only the one OLight charging cable and if I happen to forget it or find myself in a bind without it I'm now limited to the battery charge I have left. That said, I edc the sr1ii but I have different flash lights in different packs because I simply cannot rely on that limitation.
I’ve heard of some issues with the Thrunite rubber port cover falling out and people losing it. I’ll stick with my olight. Thanks for the video
I'm obsessed with Olight. I've tried a few other brands such as Led Lenser, EagleTac and Klarus to name a few, and while they're decent, none have matched my Olights. I've got the limited edition red S1R Baton II and it's AWESOME!
What do you use your lights for, everyone. I have lights for edc, inspection lights, throwers, keychain lights, headlamps, just a bunch of stuff. I find that I only use them for fun, with the exception of my baton pro to work on the car.
Maybe it looked different to you, but the side by side comparison outside looked like the Olight was WAAAY brighter when they were both on turbo. Didn’t even seem close to me. I keep a magnetic cable in my car for charging and if I travel I have an extra 123a in my luggage. I have an L dock at home I got with a seeker 2 and that is a nice accessory as well. Olight hands down. Thanks for the review. I will go ahead and grab one next time the go on sale. I have a M2R warrior pro and a S2R baton 2 as well. May as well grab a little guy too
Magnetic charge is a must for me also the clip works very well on a baseball cap for hands free work
Keep the videos coming, enjoying the down to earth reviews
No comparison to the olight. Like you I carry my olight everyday, best edc light I’ve owned and I’ve gone thru a few.
The olight for sure, for sure look better than most other lights
Just found out about the Thrunite today. I've had the Olight for 6 months. Was about to buy the Thrunite because it's only $40 vs the $65 I paid for my Olight. However, the part of your video where you compared the brightness of the 2 lights together was extremely helpful . For me, and not to sound like some tactical junky, but the main reason I carry my Olight at night is to be able to disorient/blind somebody if ever in sticky situation . The Olight just looked way brighter on turbo in your video even though the Thrunite is listed at 1500 lumens-- way more than Olight. Just seems to me the Olight has much brighter white light.
Great video. Thanks. The Thrunite does seem like a great deal though!! And good EDC option.
Thanks man. Appreciate you watching
Olight Def looks brighter in the video, but sure Thrunite is plenty bright and like the features, especially the usb.
the clips of both lights allow to push them face up or face down in your pocket... they are formed like an s, so you can use the inner or the outer arc... sorry, my english ist not so perfect, but I hope, you understand what I mean.... I prefere the baton...
True but if you’ve ever used that outer tang, especially one-handed, it’s a pain in the butt.
It's hard to beat Olight. Also most of their lights have 5 year warranties. I have many Olights and for several years now. Have not needed the warranty for any.
Yep. I’ve reviewed tons of them on the channel. Great lights. Thanks for watching
You carry the light using the hat bill clip? There’s two ways to clip it
Strong work Harley. I don’t know about these other clowns, but I appreciate the fact that you are selective when it comes to your reviews. What I find frustrating as shit Is when reviewers are more worried about quantity and not actual subject matter. With that being said keep doing what you have been so that you and I and all of our prior and active brothers and sisters can continue to be the tip of the spear protecting said clowns who are more worried about quantity!
Agrees wit where you went , but why do people have to be clowns? It is okay to have opinions that differ right?
With the double clip on the baton, u could very it both ways?
I’ve read that the you need the micro usb cable supplied to fit the ThruNite. It has to be a looooong connector and typical ones are too short. I ordered one anyway + I already had the little OLight too. Great size.
Love it! Olight wins again! I LOVE my S2R Baton ll.. the clip l prefer on the Olight being l clip it on the brim of my cap and light is always where l need it..button up when clipped on top of brim allows for quick power changes with button facing up.tons of light and fantastic battery life..use it every morning checking oil, water level, belts on my crane before l hit the road! My Seeker ll Pro is amazing but a better inside pocket due to extra size but again its more light than mortal humans could ever need. I use it in strobe to get the attention of people up on the 7th 8th floor on a jobsite. Great lights! Thanks for your vid!
"light is always where l need it"
Says it all really...
another pro, you can charge the 18350s on other chargers so you can have spare readily available but the olight you have to charge that battery in the light. which you can still charge a few and have them ready but takes a while and you cant use the light while ones charging..
Sorry this is 10 months old, but the olight battery can be charged on a normal li-ion charger, I use the thrunite 4 slotted one. And the olight can use any 16340 sized battery including the disposable cr123a which are easier to come by than an 18350 in my opinion
olight for the beam pattern. mixed flood spot are garbage for me.
I love my olight. Just ordered a Seeker 2 bundle yesterday
I own the ThruNite T-1, for 35$ I'll take it.
Well, it seems like Olight FTW...unless it’s a charger thing, which is valid.
I have owned both. I still own the S1R II (I gave the T1 to a friend). There are two issues with the T1. The first is that it is too floody. The problem with a floody light is that to get a given candela at a distance you need to use a higher setting, and this means reduced battery life. To walk and illuminate the road 25 feet in front of me, I had to have the T1 turned up much higher than the S1R II. This meat that I had to charge the battery more often. The second thing is related to the first. Not only do you not have to charge the S1R as often, but since it is soooo easy to charge, you are far more likely to simply charge it all the time, and the T1 used a Micro USB. Had they used a USB C type connector this would have been better but nothing is as good as the Olight magnetic charging. All of my flashlights are Olight because of the magnetic charging.
Just received my two Olight Seeker 2 bundles just a few short hours ago and have two of the tan version coming later this week, I got on their Labor day sale, I would say I think I would stick with Olight, I like the direct been of light as opposed to the flood, I might have jumped on the Thrunite.
Probably getting this model olight been wanting for months now, I currently edc a Gerber Cortex 675 Lumens max output got the high low strobe but besides being sturdy as hell when I drop it on concrete and other hard surfaces it's best feature is the omnivore battery tech I use 3 123 batteries but it'll take AA batteries and still put out 350 Lumens max! Had it for over 2 years solid now btw.
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Something I think many people would find to be an important difference between the two is that the Olight's battery is not a standard 16340, but a proprietary battery with extra contacts. The onboard charging will not work with a standard 16340, and the proprietary battery cannot be charged in a standard external charger. The Thrunite's battery is a standard 18350.
The Olight uses a TIR optic, not a smooth reflector. The main reason for the difference in hotspot size is that the LED in the Thrunite has a larger light emitting area.
That is the biggest flaw in the Olight. I want to be able to easily replace the battery. And the micro USB is much more easier to come by.
I’m dropping a video mate tonight in the new Warrior X Pro, that goes live tomorrow. I address the very valid battery issue directly in this video. Thanks for the feedback. Be on the lookout tonight.
@@mdbassin9120 lol, it is not a flaw, just not YOUR preference is all.i myself will take either and have both and more, I have multiple types of chargers, cords for many items around the house and shop from flashlights, power tools and hobby items (including flashlights) so what is one more, especially if it is as convenient as the magnetic charging system is. Easy fix though, dont buy it, I will.
@@nitrorc4life1 No denying its a good light. I just prefer not having to carry a specific cord and/or Olight proprietary batteries. I own one and I am happy with its performance though.
*OLights are AWESOME!!!*
The clip position is extremely important to me. If I need to pull it out and use it quickly it’s just 👍. My M2R was adjustable and it really wasn’t A good thing. I love my Olights but my S1R2 got lost because it is so small and the magnet on the bottom stuck to my keys then dropped off outside my pocket. I’m sure that is what happened because I noticed it several times until I didn’t.
My M2R warrior stopped working after two years of very hard use and I thought it was just dead. Then after using it as an excuse to buy a S2R baton II, I cleaned it with Q tips and guess what? It works perfectly. Now it is my backup. I work with my hands and this thing has been through HELL; dropping it on concrete, banging it on stuff, dropping it in water, getting metal shavings on the magnet, playing with it constantly and still works perfect after two years with the same battery. I NEVER left the house without it...Awesome 😎 !
Thanks for doing this man. I've had the o light before but I was wondering if I could save a few bucks with the thrunite.
The only thing I don't like about the Olight S1R ll rechargeable is the magnetic base, I spend more time picking it up off the ground because it sticks to my key chain then falls off to the ground but other than that love the Olight. It also likes to turn itself on in my pocket if I forget to set the switch to prevent that.
I agree The olights charger is really annoying to carry when travelling, its another cord u need to carry, along with you usb cables for phones. If u forget it somewhere you flashlight is useless
Light looks pretty good, but those lumens are totally overrated. Looks like the olight with 1000 lumens with a diff spill. Not trying to make a dig at thrunight i have their TN12 and love it.
Just ordered the olight, looking forward to getting it for the winter, great review 👍
If you wait for sales you can buy the olight for $49 as well when I got mine I got it for $49 from BigDaddyUnlimited. I would recommend olight I have the warrior x, the new javelot pro, the Raider and couple other ones. including the key chain one and one for my handgun. and I gotta say they have never failed and are awesome. my kids are always using them as well in the pool and they are still working. olight has good products, sometimes u gotta pay for quality. I would want to see the thrunite in a water test just because it looks like water would get in through the charging port, and It rubber and those seem to always ripped off after so many uses.
The quality of the olight kills the thrunite and its a batter looking led light just all around better
Keeping it Real!!! Good Stuff!!!
Thenthrulight is way to yellow…….love the lights color and true brightness
More neutral, yes, I like and use both tints depending on my need, one is not better then the other, but rather what is best for what your using it for.
Check out the TC-15. That's my new edc. 2300 lumen, it comes with an imr 18650 cell, it's rechargeable and doesn't require a proprietary cable and it's less than $50.
Yep. I reviewed it not too long ago. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/uzgwTsdOnxQ/v-deo.html
Olight wins lol
Anyone looking at this video, check amazon, the Thrunite is 50% off
Both have their pros but for what I want a flashlight for which is lighting at night so I would choose the Olight but in low light situation I like the infinity manipulations to get just the right lumens that you'd want.
My issue with the Olight clip that does not move is that the light now switches on in my pocket if I bump the pocket against myself..When the clip was movable I would put the clip on top of the button as a safety switch to stop it switching on accidentally.
Is there a lock mode on it to keep it from doing that?
Is there a lockout mode on it? Some lights have them and I thought many of the lights at olight have them. Could be wrong!
The olight has a lockout mode!
You access it by holding the button down until it turns on to moonlight mode and keeping it held down until it turns back off.
So in a nutshell: hold the button until its locked...
When you did it correctly the button lights up red when pressing it.
To turn the light back on hold the button down again. :) ;)
Thank me later :D
@@Luca-ox6nf bro.... that's awesome! Didn't know they did that I would just untwist it slightly lol just like a keychain light
Great review man!
Thanks for watching
Doesn’t Thrunite own Wowtac? I have seen basically this exact same light from Wowtac. 🤔
It’s hard to decide what light to carry so I carry at least 5. Granted each one has its own job but usually get used each day one way or another. Olight really can be addicting
I still prefer the Klarus Mi1C with the convex lens for a EDC inspection light. Reason is it has no hot spot at all so when you are trying to read you do not have the glare. But i am not all that up to date on new lights if anyone knows the light i am talking about and knows a better option "with that type of convex beam/lens" please comment below.
for the price ill pick one up maybe two lol, the T1 seems to have a warmer tint even though its advertised as cool white.. i prefer a warmer tint
You can use the Pocket clip on the Olight tip up or tip down!
yes, but if you've ever tried to use that outer tang, it's so tight that one-handed operation is a pain in the ass. It's a gimmick more than it is useable.
@@HarleyWood23 works for hooking on a hat bill to go hands free though
Use the tight clip to attach to a hat like a head lamp. Hands free
I like the way camera switches focus between you and the closeup just instantly.
Olight looks better
If only Olight would listen to its fans and give us NW. I’m tired of cool white leds on everything.
MrPincheRey
I don’t think they’re ignoring fans. I’d argue that’s just not a popular request. I get literally hundreds of comments and suggestions on my Olight videos. I can count on one hand the number of people who have requested NW.
I have an OLight Baton and its switch gave up in just a few presses - luckily, the distributor had it under warranty and had it replaced immediately (good form guys!). for the price & size, its fairly handy. but beware, the battery (rechargeable 123) does not serve you as long as you want it. i actually have 3 of OLight torches (2 of which are headlights) and they serve their purpose quite well. i also have the an assortment of surefires (the 1,000 Lm being the latest aside from the X300 Ultra) and i still prefer them for heavy-duty use (outdoors) since they were tried and tested thru time. though the X400 i had suddenly lost its laser (disappointed!) after a few rounds at the range. local dist doesn't repair so it was off to the scrap meat.
Was the thrunite a natural white? Looks less white then the olight
Thrunite t1 is now $40 on Amazon.
So y recommend light better brightness than thrunite
IMO, they look like both equal lumen flood vs spot. Still good value.
So at 1000 and 1500 Lumens what do you get 3-4 mins of light at that power level?
my dads olight baton kicks ass.used it for 2 years now every night and day working on things
What good is a flashlight that you can only keep on for a minute or two before it burns your hands and shuts itself down??
Ill stick with my Mag lights.
Even in the reduced power modes, these lights are brighter than most comparably-sized maglites. These also have more modes and features, like the rechargeable ports. there are always tradeoffs. Thanks for watching.
Mag light are suck, especially bohlam series ( yellow light )
The thing about I hate the mag light is just because it’s big and heavy. Can’t really put on my everyday pocket.
What's everyone's thoughts on the Nebo torchy?
So it's been a couple of years now. Are you still carrying the Olight (maybe the newer Baton 3) or did you switch to Thrunite?
I got a Baton 3. It worked when I got it. I charged it per the instructions and it quit. Something went haywire with charging and it got really hot. Sent it back for a refund.
Can you do a comparison of the S1R2 va the acelight TK16CU?
i got them both after watching this, the first time i charges the thunite the waterproof boot tore off, I tried different USB cable but they all fall out, it is not as btight as the Olight and noway near the throw also the battery does not last as long
awesome review
Spot on. I rejected the Olight charging idea is because it is proprietary. Micro USB - EVERYWHERE! Great review.
p kay why though? It comes with the charger and the battery will last a while.
@@TheLaughinginthedark The charging from Olight is proprietary. That for me is the biggest no no.
p kay but it's consistent unlike Fenix. Olight gives you the cord and a battery
@@TheLaughinginthedark Now I found out that the USB from Thrunite is not good either. It's slightly longer than regular or generic one. That's not good either. In this case I might get the Olight instead. Anyway mine will arrive today as I ordered via Amazon.
I very much like the olight proprietary charging system as it is superior design, and like it us so difficult to pack a charge cable. Buy a spare for vehicle, all set. And a better system.
Olight all day
What happens if water gets inside that charging port?
Thrunite, NightCore, Olight, Fenix: Which is the better brand?
there's a lot of subjectivity that goes into answering that question. I've reviewed all the above. I'll throw Klarus into the mix also. In order of my favorite would be Olight, Fenix, Klarus, Nitecore, Thrunite. My answer is based on the depth of options each brand offers, and the innovation that each brand practices.
Why 1500 lumen on thrunite not bright compare to olight 1000 lumens
The Thrunite only has 2600 candela. The Olight has 5200. Here’s a video I did explaining the difference: ua-cam.com/video/VN6dr8YE0rw/v-deo.html
@@HarleyWood23 noted, thanks for the info and the link bro
I might actually get the thrunite t1 cause you can put it on the brim of a hat but would
you recommend any other flashlights that are better than the thrunite t1 at the same price ?
At the same price, no. The T1 is hard to beat. They actually have the TC15 on sale right now. It's a little bigger but way brighter. Here's my review: ua-cam.com/video/f6uvH27iaFM/v-deo.html
Great video friend, greetings from Colombia
I cannot imagine the advantage of knowing that your battery life is somewhere between the wide range of 21% and 100%?? So the color indicator is letting you know that your battery could be almost 100% charged or then again it could be about to die out in the next several minutes. Comforting?🤔 hmm
This is a back-and-forth tough call for various reasons per individual. For those in absolutely no hurry to purchase either one of these but leaning towards the Olight, I would consider waiting for next generation to improve the runtimes. If for example they could get turbo up to five minutes and let’s say 600 lm up to maybe 30 minutes more or less in the same light it would be awesome.
Seeing the difference in magnet strength is one of those little things that can sway you one way or another.I definitely prefer a stronger magnet.I appreciate seeing that!
The mag snap charging is so much better for EDC. Stick that thing under your nightstand and charging is as effortless as putting the flashlight away. You can grab and go while always starting out fully charged. No comparison.
@@RedShiftedDollar That really is a great point. In real life application the ease of charging makes so much more of a difference. Especially when you consider that this is going to be a daily routine.
@@vedder10 plus you can use the magnet to mount it more discretely. Hanging it underneath a nightstand gets it out of the way and is less cluttered than having a usb cord laying around.
I actually don’t own one of these yet but it’s the mail and should be delivered today.
@@RedShiftedDollar use both charge methods among my many lights, both are work well. Ahh USB cord or magnetic cord.....you still have a cord, and both have magnetic ends, have and use both brands daily, I like them both equally for different task. Honestly as far as olight goes, I skip the s1r and just carry a s2r or warrior mini as they are nominally bigger imo, with much better run times and more light.
Where are they made?
Hey...cool...you’re wearing my favorite t-shirt! I have a couple in OD. I couldn’t help myself. Get lots of positive comments. PS: I have the Olight S1R Baton and S2R Baton. Epic. Love ‘em both. Thanks for the great vids. PPS: favorite brand around here is most likely Convoy. Except for the two noted above. Both those are #1. A tie.
David Mathews
Thanks man. Appreciate you watching.
What is the most flooded EDC? :-)
Cheers Mate!
@ 7:35 he drops the light on carpet. 😂🤣👍
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Thx helped me make a decision
What did you decide on and do you regret your decision or have you been. happy with it?
@@vedder10 I went with the rovyvon on actually I wanted something that I wouldn’t have to think about where it was in any situation so I thought on my keys I would always have it. I m still considering the T1 for the house
That’s cool but does thru night have a seeker 2 pro? Lol
I bought the r50 and seeker 2 pro at the same time, thought I would use the r50 since the seeker 2 pro has a weak magnet.
After owning both for a while I wish I just bought two seeker 2 instead, the r50 is not worth it since it uses a special charger and it gets extremely hot when charging, wish I could trade it in, I bought the LE kit and don't even use it
cele ritas nice at least you have both though
I HATE having to plug a wire in to recharge my lights. I carry a battery brick and an Olight cord. Just as easily as you carry a micro usb cord. I have plenty of cords because I have quite a few Olights. So it’s a no on that other brand. And I’ve tested one Olight for holding a static FULL charge for 6 months on the PL Mini Valkyrie. Left it on my Glock for 6 months in the truck and when I remembered I hadn’t charged it, I brought it in and slapped the magnet charger on it and the light was green. Still fully charged after sitting unused for 6 months, give or take a day or so. I was on a 6 month contract job which is why I know how long it sat locked in my truck lock box. What can I say? Haven’t bought a different brand of light in almost 2 years and don’t plan to. I have Olights stashed all over the place and one on all my ARs and pistols with rails. I also carry a Baton daily. Thanks for the review!
Sir, my eyes are down here.
Have you looked a folomov?
Thanks for sharing 👍👍
Hey that is funny that you said that at one point you lost interest in flashlights because that is where I am at now and its for the opposite reason that yours is. I can't stand all the gadgetry about them. I just like a simple flashlight. And I don't like single electronic switched lights. To each his own I guess. For a little small light in the 16340 size, I like the Jetbeam Jet-II MK. I guess I'm old fashion and like the twistys and the tail cap switched lights. I like to have momentary action.
You've been carrying the s1r II for how long and didnt know that it carries both reflector up and reflector down?
Yes. I covered it in my review. That clip is shit for carrying reflector down though.
I missed the fact that was the o-light you were referring to in that moment. My bad. I guess if depth of carry is that important for you than yeah, I see your point. Sorry for the snarkiness.