Something I learned yesterday. It is possible to install the gear in BACKWARDS without the gear looking backwards, resulting in the wheel not turning or not turning properly. Make a clear note which side of the gear is facing you BEFORE you remove it and when reinstalling make sure that the proper side is once again facing you. I learned this lesson the hard way.
Thanks Home Garage for putting this up. Hondas have a similar design for their drive wheels. What was very cool is how you diagnosed the problem by raising the rear wheels and observing the left wheels erratic behavior. So eliminating the need to pull the carburetor. (that was a joke if you didn't quite get it) About the only thing you didn't elaborate on was paying attention to the direction of the gear because it can be put on backwards as well. This was a great video, short and sweet, not wasting any of our time and right to the point. Thanks!
just a note on the video, be sure when reinstalling the pinion gear for that side that the letter L on the gear is facing you. there is right and left side gear. on right side of mower the R on gear should be facing you. thanks for previous video on oil pan repair with permeated sealent.
This was just want I needed, with the corvid-19 issues getting it in for repair is not easy, I did the cleaning and repair myself. I think my spring might need to be replaced but it's working for the time being. My unit is a 2008 so it still has the metal gears in the wheels so this baby could last many many more years! Thank you so much !
Thank you so much for this. I scored an awesome 1995 Super Recycler on craigslist and have fixed it all up with the exception of the self-propel feature. I replaced the v-belt already and the wheels spin (like they did before I replaced it) but no torque on the ground. I checked the gears on the wheels and they were still made of steel in the 90's, so that's not the problem- they looked perfect. I saw your other comment here on adjusting the drive cable, so between these two tips I hope to have this thing pulling again soon. Thanks for taking the time to post this- it's really cool to learn how this stuff works and fix it yourself. I'll post another comment to let you know how I make out. Again, thanks so much!!!
I'm about to do this job myself, new wheels and new gears. I have noticed that the drive axle has side play of about 1/2 inch so the inside of the drive gear on the axle is worn away, another built in design flaw? I'm going to try some extra washers so that the gear on the wheel is more centred on the wheel gear on the axle. I can't complain too much as the mower is about 20 years old. Need a new battery so I'll probably change that while I'm at it. Nice video by the way, very straight forward and to the point.
I 'carefully removed' the 'c' clip holding the drive gear and bendix from the main starter gear support shaft on the electric start and promptly had to go to the new auto parts for another one. I wasn't careful enough because when I put the screwdriver in the clip notch I KNEW it was going to do what it did. It did. With some Marvel Mystery oil and some 00 grease the starter spins a lot freer and ether made a dandy degreaser for all the crud on the outside. Good fix and Blessings!
@@HomeGaragechannel Ether is pretty cheap but awfully flammable BUT if you do it outside and don't smoke too much it works right well. I use that and good old gas. My ultrasonic would end up being me shaking a parts brush from nervousness.
i just replaced my FWD Toro recycler transmission because the pinion gears were stripped. When I put the wheels back on, there was no friction to engage the wheels. These little springs and keys were not included with the new drive axle and were missing on the old one. I will order them from the dealer. Shipping will likely cost more than the parts ! Thanks for this video.
Update, I drove down to two Toro dealers to get these keys and springs (I bought spares as well). When i re-assembled the wheels it wouldn't propel the mower, the sprockets (cams) were on backwards - reversed 'em, re-assembled and it is working perfectly. Thanks so much for the video
Thanks for your very helpful video! As I was flushing out the gunk I noticed that the center of the axle shaft has a hole that leads to the spring/key assembly. That hole was still plugged with old grease when you reassembled the drive. It can easily be cleaned out with a toothpick or stiff wire of similar diameter.
Thanks for that. I cleaned the parts in the video but my wheel still locks when pulling the mower back. Looks like I need to do a deeper clean as you mentioned.
@@krehbein The drive gears on the axle should have the letters "R" and "L" and should be installed on the right or left. The letter should be facing the wheel for proper location.
Great video. I have an old TORO "Super Recycler" (23" model 20383) with the Self-Propel feature. I've been dealing with a Self-Propel related aggravation for years, but now as a 76 year old senior, it's not fun anymore and need to fix it. Preferably DIY; if not, pay to have it fixed at a shop. The machine itself is a workhorse, always starts like a charm and don't want to lose it. When I happened to find this video and saw how simple it was to diagnose a general "Won't Self-Propel properly" kind of problem, I'm definitely going to give it a try and simply see if it might also fix my specific Self-Propel problem. Mine "Self-Propels normally when walking >>FORWARD"
Great Information. Fixed most of my problem.. I did check mine and they were really dirty and one was not coming out at all. Fixed it.. Took a really small flat screw driver. like the ones used to replace screws in eye glasses. cleaned the ROCK HARD grease and dirt out of the spring after carefully removing it, cleaned everything re lubed it and put it back together... Works much better But NOW i have a different problem.. It does work but only when I push the Handel hard all the way down. How do I adjust the Cable to control the speed it moves?
Thank you Catfish 911 for the comment. Have you tried adjusting the self propel anchor on the left side of the bar? Loosen the nut enough so you can pull the cable down about an inch or so. Tighten the nut and try the self propel. If it's not better try adjusting the cable down again. Hope this helps.
Great how or why to tip. I’m getting ready to deal with the grinding and intermittent drive engagement but your clip showed me another possibility. Thanks again. Mario in Alabama.
Helped a little, however, a female on her own, more description please. What was that thing you removed the key with? What were you rinsing with. The little details matter to someone who has no clue
FYI, the hole in the end of the shaft should of been blown out with compressed air to open the grease port up, then reassemble the gear then shoot grease into the port, then put the wheel back on and grease that assembly every month.... Just a tip.
Help, my front wheel toro wheels aren't turning. I took the cover off and I can see that the belt is spinning fine on the pulley but the gears on the transmission dont seem to be spinning. Could this be fixed or is the transmission shot?
Can someone please advise what kind of grease to use please? And when you say “grease that assembly” do you just mean the port you mentioned? Sorry but I’ve had people tell me don’t use grease as it will just attract dirt so I want to make sure I do it correctly. Thx
@@teresaperlick3321 yes, ok in the end of the axel you will see what looks like a divit, it is actually a grease port, it needs to be cleaned out so the grease can flow freely into the axel key, and lube it, the assembly spoken of is the gear, and the toothed gear on the wheel, now usually you need to clean it really wheel, get all the crap out of it, some believe putting grease there will atract dirt, and make it wear prematurely but in my experience it doesn't really matter grease it or not, and it wears the same, so putting grease on those gears is up to you, but definitely clean the port out with a thin small pin and or compressed air, just don't lose the spring or the key that rides on the spring.
I'm thinking that the housing with the spring should be thoroughly cleaned out and regreased? If it came with grease in there, it should probably return with a good quality moly grease product.
Interesting how the Honda mowers they sell along side the Toro's at Home Depot have the exact same gear setup and have the same issue where the key will get stuck down like that. I haven't seen this issue happen yet on a Toro but I had a Honda come thru and it had that exact same issue and used the exact same gear setup. Coincidence, or did one of the two companies copy the idea from the other, considering both brands are in that same store? The honda mowers are built in the USA now and and the American Toro company builds those specific model mowers in Mexico. However even though Honda's are considered better in general on the mowers I have seen more issues, axles that lock up when pulling in reverse, wheels wearing out a lot faster than other brands. The Toro's are descent mowers and their have to be millions of them out their this style and the slightly newer style they make now.
Fender Guitars makes USA Stratocasters and Mexico-made ones nearly as good. The old joke/riddle is 'What is the difference in USA or Mexico Strats ? ' Answer ' About 60 miles... '
I have the same issue. Bought the mower in mid April and was mowing the grass tonight and the front wheel drive stopped pulling and smoke came from under the the deck. Shut it down and lifted it up. Smoke was coming from what looks like a small gear box. It was 8pm already so tomorrow I will call Home Depot and they will replace this mower.
@@HomeGaragechannel They will replace it because I will not let up. Not Home Depots fault so they can send the junk back to Toro on Toro's tab. If they say no, I will demand a refund and tell them that I will go to Walmart across the street. Mower doesn't have scratch on it and broke. Smoked so bad I didn't try to continue without engaging the drive.
Many thanks for your video. I am a novice, but decided I could handle replacing a broken drive belt on my Toro Super Recycler w/Personal Pace system. I was successful in replacing the belt, but now my rear wheels lock up when I try to pull the mower backwards. Can you offer any advice on how to fix?
@@HomeGaragechannel No, I didn't do anything with the wheels just the belt. The belt is now pushing my mower just fine, but the rear wheels won't disengage when trying to pull it backwards. Would you say my cable needs tightening or loosening?
@@trearabie7291 sounds like you may have gotten the wrong size belt. There should have been slack in the belt. As you push the handle the belt tightens up. The belt is loose so you can push the mower until you activate the shelf propel.
I want to get a self - propelled mower. My Better Half thinks it would take away the exercise that our body needs. Those S.P. mowers might take a bit of upkeep that I don't know about. Please give me further input.
The exercise is good, but mowing the grass shouldn't be about loosing weight. Just the effort of walking behind it, and steering it enough exercise. Get the self propel
Great Video! Have you heard of cases where the rear left wheel locks up if you go forward when the engine is not running? But when you start the engine, it rolls forward as usual.
In case anyone else has had the same issue of the left rear wheel not moving forward when engine is off (guessing since this was 2 years ago yours has been fixed) this awesome video will still help you. Slight modification but this is how I fixed mine. First, disconnect the spark plug wire. Put a block of wood under the deck to allow the wheel to move freely. Then remove the wheel, retaining clip, washer, pinion gear. Like the video, I could also see that the key was stuck in the down position. What they didn’t also show was the tiny spring under the key that pushes the key up to engage the gear. Mine was so caked in dirt nothing moved and you couldn’t even tell it was a spring. Take everything out. Use dry lubricate (I was told NOT to use grease on these parts as that will just attract dirt) and spray it in there along with on all of the parts you removed until everything is clean. (See a comment further down about blowing out the grease port and putting grease in there. )Then put everything back. Spray more dry lubricant on each part as you go. This solved my problem. Just make sure to note how every part was situated so you can put it back correctly. Hope this helps. If the author can advise on what grease to use and where though that would great. Again, great video!
@@teresaperlick3321 I have some lithium spray lube I will put on my keyway and spring. It's thin enough that it shouldn't cake up like the old grease did.
so the 'key' has the flat side up in the slot? I was given one FREE in nearly new shape and the only problem is 'with the self propel feature' per my neighbor. So the cable control to engage the propulsion or maybe a 'key' is stuck down in its slot with grease/dirt. I'll know soon.
I think I have, if not I've looked into it before and it's not good, support bushing wear on all three sides, and even cone gear wear. The last one I did, I just replaced the entire transmission
Yes I have a Toro lawn mower the self propel is in the back it works fine going forward when I pull it in reverse and let go of the lever the Wheels lock up what can I
Does the spring just sit on the axle under the key, so be sure it does not pop off or get flush out when cleaning. You stated, add grease to the pinion key? Should you not add a "little" to the key? Any idea why a spring loaded key? Is it for when pulling backwards , it gets recess allowing wheels to rotate freely. I have this problem, now on my 2011 Toro Personnal Pace Also wobbly front wheel.
My same Personal Pace Toro the left rear drive won't move forward when push with motor off. It starts no problem & moves forward. With motor off can't be push forward. Help please.
That rear wheel drive mechanism has a cable and some sort of guide piece near the hands that is broken on mine... but no clue what that is called or how to replace it or what it does...
@@HomeGaragechannel I don't think so. Once I can name the part, I believe it can be replaced, but I have to identify the name and how to replace it. The mower is nearly new and was given to me FREE; all it lacks is this one broken part, which I believe allows engagement of the rear wheel drive ...
The transmission is shot on mine. Thought I could replace it myself. Hell no. An absolute nightmare. Then I figured I could still use it w/o the self propelled system, but now the right tire won’t even turn forward while it’s off. It’ll go back but not forward. What is making it not go forward anymore? Left wheel turns fine. Ridiculous I can’t even roll it to the trash!
I have not seen you mention anything about premature wearing of the plastic Drive gear on the wheel of the Toro Personal pace. It's definitely a design problem because the steal drive gear does not set deep enough into the plastic gear on the Wheel and before too long you have to replace that wheel that still has plenty of plastic gear left on it!
oh I see what you're asking. you mean the plastic teeth on the wheel portion. I haven't mentioned it because I haven't come across it yet I guess But I know what you're talking about.
Well this was my third Toro that had this problem with,I was hoping that Toro had come up with something like a wheel with a larger diameter gear on it or a wheel bracket kit that put that wheel closer to the steel drive gear.These companies hire engineers to design flaws in the equipment to limit their life expectancy and this is one of them!
you are correct. the wheels were meant to only last a certain amount of time before the teeth wears out on the wheel. Yes I would have like to have seen an "extend" metal gear, to reach the fresh part of the plastic.
I have a problem with my troy built mower. When the wheels are off the ground and i don't put too much pressure on the self propelled lever the wheels will spin. But as soon as they touch the ground nothing. The belt seems good so do you think it's the transmission? And how do i go about fixing it?
@@eddiemaxwell7593 have you tried taking off the wheels to look at the axles? The only other thing it could be is wear inside the gearbox. The 2 gears are just barely touching and any load is causing the wheels not to turn.
@@HomeGaragechannel yes sir i even took one wheel off and tried it so i could see that the axle is what stops spinning. It really sucks because it's a really expensive part that i can't afford. Sorry to bother you man it's such a nice mower that i got for really cheap and really wanted to get it going. It even has electric start and runs perfect. I guess I'll just use it as a push mower unless i get lucky and find one at the scrap yard that i can get parts off of. I can't complain i paid 10 bucks and ordered a cheap battery for 15. I guess 25 for a mower with electric start that i have to push ain't so bad.
I have the same problem and was hoping this fix would correct my drive problem. Model 20332. Took off the wheel, snap ring and gear, to find the axle is different on mine. There is NO spring loaded cog! Where my gear fits, the axle is squared off. Can’t find ANY video showing my setup. Any advice? Ever hear of a different axle on these models?
I have a 20332 also. Won't back up. Installed new Toro drive belt and adjusted cable clamp. Pulls good then pulls softer till you need to adjust the cable again. Only thing left are the pulleys and trans.
Ever replaced the blade stop belt bearings and spacers on these? My bearings broke off into several pieces. Those parts are hard to find as is that belt isn’t even listed on toros site.
either the belt has stretched, or there might be a problem with the gears inside the gearbox. they maybe worn out, the gears will make contact when you life the mower, but when you put a load not the gearbox, the gears won't make contact.
Just bought my new Toro 20353 and notice the front wheels dont spin when I put the front wheels up with the drive system in gear. But the real wheels are going. Do I have a defective unit?
@@HomeGaragechannel Out of the box the tension cables to all 4 wheels was loose. I got them tightened and now the mower pulls me up the hill. Thanks for the response.
1. Don't use WD40 to clean it out. 2. Don't put grease back onto the axle as that's what caused the problem to start with collecting dirt and clogging everything up.
Thank you Justo Juez. If the front wheel is wobbly I'll assume its just worn out so to make it less wobbly take the wheel off and try using something to take the space up from the wheelaand the bolt. I would suggest using a pop can. Cut into a strip wide enough to fit inside the hole for the bolt and wrap the can around it once or twice to make up for the missing plastic. If not replacement wheels are 10-20 dollars online.
I've not yet seen a yardman 12av829c755 video yet so people must have either just threw there's away or never made a video like these The 2006 yardman self propelled mowers have similar problems as honda and that one and its still worth fixing when it was brand new it costed someone $399.99 and that's not cheap im gonna regrease mines little transmission and any other gear parts and smoothen the axle
@@HomeGaragechannel i know how to take it all apart and put it all back together fine. i just was looking to see if anyone else had any small problems with there's At first mine wasn't rolling backwards but after i used it a little it started working and now rolls backwards fine its still a little stiff when pulling it backwards i think its fine though I believe someone switched the tires on it at sometime and each side on the front of the frame needs 2 metal plates because it looks like someone cut the frame to get the front axle out so the front is loose
Anytime you grease that axle and that gear you're just attracting more dirt and grime I suggest taking the wheel off want to hear puff some graphite in there
Gotcha. Try something for me. On the left side of the handle there is a plastic piece that holds the cable for the self propel. Loosen the nut and pull the cable down about a quarter inch and tighten the nut. This will put more tension on the drive belt. If it helps but could be better still move the cable down another quarter inch. Let me know if this helps.
Home Garage Just bought a used toro recycler on Craig List just like that and think the transmission is starting to go 😡. Sounds like the gears are starting to slip/ grind. The tires both move okay and the personal pace is working fine. I suppose this is the first sign?
I was looking for some info before getting into it. It’s rear wheel drive so wasn’t sure there was even a belt. I gave 50 bucks for it. It runs great starts right up , has the key start . Hasn’t been used much maybe two seasons.
@@NoName-be5ir thanks for the reply. Yes check the belt under the deck. After that take the rear wheels off and see if the gears or roll pins are working like they're supposed to. Let me know
Thank for the comment. Remove the rear wheels. Remove the retaining clip and the take the gear off and put it on backwards. I have a video with a Honda in the thumbnail that has the same issue and that was the fix.
how do I get the replacement keys for the self propelled gear? I followed ur video and when I got to the key part my key literally crumbled to dust! lol
i have a toro from 2006 i believe and my self propel won't stop running lol as soon as i start the mower that belt is goin and the mower takes off. any suggestions?
I have a Toro Recycler 22" model #20340 needing some repairs. There are several Toro Recycler 22's for sale near me at reasonable prices, so I'm thinking of buying one. Do you know if parts would be interchangeable as long as it is another 22" RWD or do I have to do an exact match - another model 20340 to be able to swap out parts. Appreciate any guidance / input you can provide to help me with this. Thanks!
it's best to match up the model number and also make sure the serial numbers are in the same range. you'll have to look at a list online to find out the ranges.
Is it possible this is the problem with my mower. The transmission belt is turning when engaged but the wheels isnt turning. I have a similar toro model. I should also mentioned that the self propel just stopped working all of a sudden while cutting lawn.
Temujin Khan thanks for commenting. Is it rear wheel drive or front? The belt is hard to see on rear wheel drive models. The front wheel trannys have lots of gear problems.
Help, my front wheel toro wheels aren't turning. I took the cover off and I can see that the belt is spinning fine on the pulley but the gears on the transmission dont seem to be spinning. Could this be fixed or is the transmission shot?
Thank you Luis Trevino for the comment. The front wheel drive units are interesting. There are two types from what I can tell. One is the self propel bar will move the entire gearbox away from the engine and this makes the belt grab the crankshaft pulley and turns the pulley on the transmission. The other method is the belt is always tight and the self propel bar actually moves a lever inside the gearbox to make it work. Please squeeze the lever while the over is off the deck and see if the gearbox is moving or stationary. Then we can decide if the transmission is bad. If it's bad then you would buy a used tranny on Ebay but I had to say it it's not a fun job at all.
Home Garage thanks for the info. I did squeeze the lever with the cover off. I can see the pulley moving forward when I engage the lever and the belt is spinning just fine around it. I tried to spin the pulley by hand and I can see the gear closest to the pulley (the one that looks to be upside down in the transmission box) spins but it’s not catching the bigger gear (the one that is attached to the axle.
You did a great job in looking at it and telling me what you see. I have seen this problem before unfortunately it looks like the two gears have worn to the point that they are not touching each other. An unconventional fix is to remove the upside down gear and reinstall it with washer to move the upside down gear closer to the other gear. However it doesn't always work. I'm not sure if you can buy the gears separately and replace them.
INSIDE HOUSE GARAGE thank you very much I’m definitely going to try the washer first and see if that works. Otherwise I’ll get new gears. Thanks again!
your description is a bit confusing. Can you describe the situation again? you might also want to start a new comment because any reply to this one, will be lost from all the new comments I get.
@Home Garage my Toro had been grinding in the left rear wheel slightly and then just yesterday while I was mowing it became uber stuff to push. I realized the self propel is inoperable . It smoked slightly so I’m guessing it may be a belt and possibly something in the rear gear fir the wheel grind? Your thoughts? Thank you.
@@HomeGaragechannel today I will be looking at the belt and gears in the wheel. If those 2 things repaired do not fix the issues…transmission will be considered. Thank you for the video and advice.
@@HomeGaragechannel with the mower up right and wheels off, should both gears move freely and separately as well as for ward and back ward. Each gear only spins the axle to its own side. Is this normal?
Home Garage Thank you for the fast reply and helpful info. I will go to Lowes and get one. It's nice to find good and free help from people who know what they are talking about. Thanks again!
Something I learned yesterday. It is possible to install the gear in BACKWARDS without the gear looking backwards, resulting in the wheel not turning or not turning properly. Make a clear note which side of the gear is facing you BEFORE you remove it and when reinstalling make sure that the proper side is once again facing you. I learned this lesson the hard way.
Very well said. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Oh, Wow! (smacks forehead). THAT's why my mower would just spin in a circle after I reassembled! 🙂😀😀
Maybe put both of gears in backwards and the mower will go backwards
Thanks Home Garage for putting this up. Hondas have a similar design for their drive wheels. What was very cool is how you diagnosed the problem by raising the rear wheels and observing the left wheels erratic behavior. So eliminating the need to pull the carburetor. (that was a joke if you didn't quite get it) About the only thing you didn't elaborate on was paying attention to the direction of the gear because it can be put on backwards as well.
This was a great video, short and sweet, not wasting any of our time and right to the point. Thanks!
Thanks for the comment and the watch. Yes I did forget to mention the orientation of the gear being important. Good catch.
Actually very professionally made. Great job! To include the elevator music very upbeat and very complimentary with your video, 2 thumbs way up!
just a note on the video, be sure when reinstalling the pinion gear for that side that the letter L on the gear is facing you. there is right and left side gear. on right side of mower the R on gear should be facing you. thanks for previous video on oil pan repair with permeated sealent.
scott redmon thanks very much for the information .I appreciate it.
I've worked on many mowers .
Lots of Toros & had no clue ! Thanks !!
no problem
This was just want I needed, with the corvid-19 issues getting it in for repair is not easy, I did the cleaning and repair myself. I think my spring might need to be replaced but it's working for the time being. My unit is a 2008 so it still has the metal gears in the wheels so this baby could last many many more years! Thank you so much !
Thank you Brad Oliver for the comment I appreciate it
Thank you so much for this. I scored an awesome 1995 Super Recycler on craigslist and have fixed it all up with the exception of the self-propel feature. I replaced the v-belt already and the wheels spin (like they did before I replaced it) but no torque on the ground. I checked the gears on the wheels and they were still made of steel in the 90's, so that's not the problem- they looked perfect.
I saw your other comment here on adjusting the drive cable, so between these two tips I hope to have this thing pulling again soon. Thanks for taking the time to post this- it's really cool to learn how this stuff works and fix it yourself. I'll post another comment to let you know how I make out. Again, thanks so much!!!
Thank you Jesse H for the comment I appreciate it. Glad to help.
That mower this working? Did you find out the problem?
Thanks for posting this video.
That was exactly what was the only thing wrong with my 15 year old Toro that i didn't want to get rid of.
Thanks again!
No problem and thank you for your time.
I'm about to do this job myself, new wheels and new gears. I have noticed that the drive axle has side play of about 1/2 inch so the inside of the drive gear on the axle is worn away, another built in design flaw? I'm going to try some extra washers so that the gear on the wheel is more centred on the wheel gear on the axle. I can't complain too much as the mower is about 20 years old. Need a new battery so I'll probably change that while I'm at it.
Nice video by the way, very straight forward and to the point.
thank you Graham Charnock, and good luck with the trans
Good day HG I found mower like this , took back wheel & away went my c clip. Thanks My little key way is gone.
sorry to hear but the parts can be found at your local hardware store.
Will pull apart and fix this winter. Looks like a good fix. Exact same problem mine has. This mower has been great. First problem I have had.
Thank you Bikaholic51 for the comment I appreciate it. Yes these are worth fixing.
What a quick video fast and to the point great channel. Thanks man.
no problem
Thank you currently have this problem. See if this fixes,,plus the plastic inside of the wheel broke
Good luck M M
Thanks 👍 good job mate first class Dave love to see more Videos
Glad you enjoyed it
I got it.. Got the cable adjusted. works as good as new 12 years ago.. I think I stretched the cable when I folded the handle on it when I moved..
It's a possibility. Good work getting it working.
I 'carefully removed' the 'c' clip holding the drive gear and bendix from the main starter gear support shaft on the electric start and promptly had to go to the new auto parts for another one. I wasn't careful enough because when I put the screwdriver in the clip notch I KNEW it was going to do what it did. It did. With some Marvel Mystery oil and some 00 grease the starter spins a lot freer and ether made a dandy degreaser for all the crud on the outside. Good fix and Blessings!
I like that idea!
@@HomeGaragechannel Ether is pretty cheap but awfully flammable BUT if you do it outside and don't smoke too much it works right well. I use that and good old gas. My ultrasonic would end up being me shaking a parts brush from nervousness.
LOL.. thanks for the tip
@@HomeGaragechannel You know I try hard but guarantee nothing.
i just replaced my FWD Toro recycler transmission because the pinion gears were stripped. When I put the wheels back on, there was no friction to engage the wheels. These little springs and keys were not included with the new drive axle and were missing on the old one. I will order them from the dealer. Shipping will likely cost more than the parts ! Thanks for this video.
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment.
Update, I drove down to two Toro dealers to get these keys and springs (I bought spares as well). When i re-assembled the wheels it wouldn't propel the mower, the sprockets (cams) were on backwards - reversed 'em, re-assembled and it is working perfectly. Thanks so much for the video
That's great news. I'm glad it worked out for you.
Thanks for your very helpful video! As I was flushing out the gunk I noticed that the center of the axle shaft has a hole that leads to the spring/key assembly. That hole was still plugged with old grease when you reassembled the drive. It can easily be cleaned out with a toothpick or stiff wire of similar diameter.
Roger Johnson thanks for the comment. Yes it could have been cleaned better before reassembly.
Thanks for that. I cleaned the parts in the video but my wheel still locks when pulling the mower back. Looks like I need to do a deeper clean as you mentioned.
@@krehbein The drive gears on the axle should have the letters "R" and "L" and should be installed on the right or left. The letter should be facing the wheel for proper location.
@@grahamcharnock6453 thanks, I’ll check next time I take it apart.
For a Girl you made this a easy fix and saved me a few dollars
Thank you for the comment and the watch.
great content,outstanding video and audio quality
Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Thanks.Mine had the same problem on the left.
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it
Great video. I have an old TORO "Super Recycler" (23" model 20383) with the Self-Propel feature.
I've been dealing with a Self-Propel related aggravation for years, but now as a 76 year old senior, it's not fun anymore and need to fix it. Preferably DIY; if not, pay to have it fixed at a shop. The machine itself is a workhorse, always starts like a charm and don't want to lose it.
When I happened to find this video and saw how simple it was to diagnose a general "Won't Self-Propel properly" kind of problem, I'm definitely going to give it a try and simply see if it might also fix my specific Self-Propel problem.
Mine "Self-Propels normally when walking >>FORWARD"
Great Information. Fixed most of my problem.. I did check mine and they were really dirty and one was not coming out at all. Fixed it.. Took a really small flat screw driver. like the ones used to replace screws in eye glasses. cleaned the ROCK HARD grease and dirt out of the spring after carefully removing it, cleaned everything re lubed it and put it back together... Works much better But NOW i have a different problem.. It does work but only when I push the Handel hard all the way down.
How do I adjust the Cable to control the speed it moves?
Thank you Catfish 911 for the comment. Have you tried adjusting the self propel anchor on the left side of the bar? Loosen the nut enough so you can pull the cable down about an inch or so. Tighten the nut and try the self propel. If it's not better try adjusting the cable down again. Hope this helps.
Just what I needed you and UA-cam thank you very much for the time you took the post it
Thank you Working Man for the comment
Great how or why to tip. I’m getting ready to deal with the grinding and intermittent drive engagement but your clip showed me another possibility. Thanks again.
Mario in Alabama.
Thank you Mario Gabriel Jr. I wish you the best of luck in your repair.
Helped a little, however, a female on her own, more description please. What was that thing you removed the key with? What were you rinsing with. The little details matter to someone who has no clue
The retainer clip needs a snap ring pliers to get it off and I used brake cleaner or carb cleaner to rinse the dirt off
Regarding applying grease, would it be better to apply a dry lubricant?
Grease is a sponge for dirt collection.
yes you're absolutely right about the dry lubricant. Thanks for comment I appreciate it.
FYI, the hole in the end of the shaft should of been blown out with compressed air to open the grease port up, then reassemble the gear then shoot grease into the port, then put the wheel back on and grease that assembly every month.... Just a tip.
knighthawk86855 thank you sir i wasn't aware of that. It makes sense.
Help, my front wheel toro wheels aren't turning. I took the cover off and I can see that the belt is spinning fine on the pulley but the gears on the transmission dont seem to be spinning. Could this be fixed or is the transmission shot?
Can someone please advise what kind of grease to use please? And when you say “grease that assembly” do you just mean the port you mentioned? Sorry but I’ve had people tell me don’t use grease as it will just attract dirt so I want to make sure I do it correctly. Thx
@@trevino0405 usually when the wheels don't turn but the pulley spins, it means the spur gear inside the trans is shot.
@@teresaperlick3321 yes, ok in the end of the axel you will see what looks like a divit, it is actually a grease port, it needs to be cleaned out so the grease can flow freely into the axel key, and lube it, the assembly spoken of is the gear, and the toothed gear on the wheel, now usually you need to clean it really wheel, get all the crap out of it, some believe putting grease there will atract dirt, and make it wear prematurely but in my experience it doesn't really matter grease it or not, and it wears the same, so putting grease on those gears is up to you, but definitely clean the port out with a thin small pin and or compressed air, just don't lose the spring or the key that rides on the spring.
I'm thinking that the housing with the spring should be thoroughly cleaned out and regreased? If it came with grease in there, it should probably return with a good quality moly grease product.
you might have a point.
Thanks, that was very helpful also my belt was my problem, it popped off...BT
Glad it helped and glad you got it fixed
Very good info, haven't tried it yet but I'll definitely give it a try.
I hope it works out for you.
Thank you, very informative ! I have this same mower and I just learned something !!
You're welcome and thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Interesting how the Honda mowers they sell along side the Toro's at Home Depot have the exact same gear setup and have the same issue where the key will get stuck down like that. I haven't seen this issue happen yet on a Toro but I had a Honda come thru and it had that exact same issue and used the exact same gear setup. Coincidence, or did one of the two companies copy the idea from the other, considering both brands are in that same store? The honda mowers are built in the USA now and and the American Toro company builds those specific model mowers in Mexico. However even though Honda's are considered better in general on the mowers I have seen more issues, axles that lock up when pulling in reverse, wheels wearing out a lot faster than other brands. The Toro's are descent mowers and their have to be millions of them out their this style and the slightly newer style they make now.
Thank you Fearless. Great information.
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Excellent how to repair left wheel stuck pin. Thanks
no problem
Great helpful video. Thanks.
Music a bit distracting.
Sorry about that and no problem.
Thank you very much for the information. I have the same issue.. I will try it today
Good luck and thanks for the comment
I have a front drive toro. The gear box just gave out. So I just pulled all the drive train out of it and turned it into a push mower.
That's the best choice
I have the same issue. Bought the mower in mid April and was mowing the grass tonight and the front wheel drive stopped pulling and smoke came from under the the deck. Shut it down and lifted it up. Smoke was coming from what looks like a small gear box. It was 8pm already so tomorrow I will call Home Depot and they will replace this mower.
@@ragingmonk6080 that's amazing that it broke so soon. Yes hopefully they do the right thing.
@@HomeGaragechannel They will replace it because I will not let up. Not Home Depots fault so they can send the junk back to Toro on Toro's tab. If they say no, I will demand a refund and tell them that I will go to Walmart across the street.
Mower doesn't have scratch on it and broke. Smoked so bad I didn't try to continue without engaging the drive.
@@ragingmonk6080 hopefully they do. let me know how it goes.
Many thanks for your video. I am a novice, but decided I could handle replacing a broken drive belt on my Toro Super Recycler w/Personal Pace system.
I was successful in replacing the belt, but now my rear wheels lock up when I try to pull the mower backwards.
Can you offer any advice on how to fix?
Sure. Did you remove the wheels some point? If not you may have to adjust the cable on the self propel.
@@HomeGaragechannel No, I didn't do anything with the wheels just the belt.
The belt is now pushing my mower just fine, but the rear wheels won't disengage when trying to pull it backwards.
Would you say my cable needs tightening or loosening?
@@trearabie7291 sounds like you may have gotten the wrong size belt. There should have been slack in the belt. As you push the handle the belt tightens up. The belt is loose so you can push the mower until you activate the shelf propel.
Exactly what my toro self propel was doing. wuill try the fix
thank you Buddy Tate
On the shaft end is a small hole is that hole to be open so you can pump grease the spring I used a chain saw grease thing
I'll have to take a look at that. Thanks for the tip.
I have a rear wheel drive Toro recycler about 3 months old and drive wheels stuck running and do not disengage when you hold bar down
Is it the "personal pace" self propel system like the video? If so does the handle slide up and down or is it stuck in the down position?
I want to get a self - propelled mower. My Better Half thinks it would take away the exercise that our body needs. Those S.P. mowers might take a bit of upkeep that I don't know about. Please give me further input.
The exercise is good, but mowing the grass shouldn't be about loosing weight. Just the effort of walking behind it, and steering it enough exercise. Get the self propel
I am learning lots with your videos.
My rear toro axle is not rotating. What can it be?
Thanks fir your input in advance.
Thanks. Is the belt broken? Also is the self propel cable broken?
Great Video! Have you heard of cases where the rear left wheel locks up if you go forward when the engine is not running? But when you start the engine, it rolls forward as usual.
No I haven't.
Im. Having same problem with my toro fwd mower left front gear will not turn with engine not running
In case anyone else has had the same issue of the left rear wheel not moving forward when engine is off (guessing since this was 2 years ago yours has been fixed) this awesome video will still help you. Slight modification but this is how I fixed mine. First, disconnect the spark plug wire. Put a block of wood under the deck to allow the wheel to move freely. Then remove the wheel, retaining clip, washer, pinion gear. Like the video, I could also see that the key was stuck in the down position. What they didn’t also show was the tiny spring under the key that pushes the key up to engage the gear. Mine was so caked in dirt nothing moved and you couldn’t even tell it was a spring. Take everything out. Use dry lubricate (I was told NOT to use grease on these parts as that will just attract dirt) and spray it in there along with on all of the parts you removed until everything is clean. (See a comment further down about blowing out the grease port and putting grease in there. )Then put everything back. Spray more dry lubricant on each part as you go. This solved my problem. Just make sure to note how every part was situated so you can put it back correctly. Hope this helps. If the author can advise on what grease to use and where though that would great. Again, great video!
@@teresaperlick3321 I have some lithium spray lube I will put on my keyway and spring. It's thin enough that it shouldn't cake up like the old grease did.
so the 'key' has the flat side up in the slot? I was given one FREE in nearly new shape and the only problem is 'with the self propel feature' per my neighbor. So the cable control to engage the propulsion or maybe a 'key' is stuck down in its slot with grease/dirt. I'll know soon.
Yes. The notch is cut with a circular wheel so the keys circular side goes into the shaft and flat up.
Great video. Can you make a video on how to fix it internally, like if the self propelling wont work
I think I have, if not I've looked into it before and it's not good, support bushing wear on all three sides, and even cone gear wear. The last one I did, I just replaced the entire transmission
unfortunately non I don't have this mower anymore either
Easy with the grease. It will attract dirt and grit wearing the parts out.
You are correct thanks.
Thank you so much for doing this video this was the exact problem I had with my mower and now the self propel works excellent.
I'm glad it worked for you. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
great fix! I've never seen that on a Toro before. great info!
Yes I have a Toro lawn mower the self propel is in the back it works fine going forward when I pull it in reverse and let go of the lever the Wheels lock up what can I
not sure, not enough information
mine is not like yours at all... theres no woodruff key and no spring. The wheel gear is held on by a standard snap ring.
Okay then the self propel type isn't the same. Try looking for a different video. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Worked like a wonder. Thanks
No problem and thank you for the comment
Does the spring just sit on the axle under the key, so be sure it does not pop off or get flush out when cleaning. You stated, add grease to the pinion key? Should you not add a "little" to the key? Any idea why a spring loaded key? Is it for when pulling backwards , it gets recess allowing wheels to rotate freely. I have this problem, now on my 2011 Toro Personnal Pace Also wobbly front wheel.
Yes add grease where you want it. The spring loaded key works with the gear to allow you to freely push the mower without turning the transmission.
Hope this is my problem. Will try and sneak to the garage tonight once the wife and kids are sleep. Lol
Hope it works out for you. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Super video. Thank you for your assistance. This explained my problem perfectly.
Thank you for watching and commenting. I'm glad it helped you out.
My same Personal Pace Toro the left rear drive won't move forward when push with motor off. It starts no problem & moves forward. With motor off can't be push forward. Help please.
That rear wheel drive mechanism has a cable and some sort of guide piece near the hands that is broken on mine... but no clue what that is called or how to replace it or what it does...
You might have to find a parts mower and replace the entire upper handle.
@@HomeGaragechannel I don't think so. Once I can name the part, I believe it can be replaced, but I have to identify the name and how to replace it. The mower is nearly new and was given to me FREE; all it lacks is this one broken part, which I believe allows engagement of the rear wheel drive ...
The transmission is shot on mine. Thought I could replace it myself. Hell no. An absolute nightmare. Then I figured I could still use it w/o the self propelled system, but now the right tire won’t even turn forward while it’s off. It’ll go back but not forward. What is making it not go forward anymore? Left wheel turns fine. Ridiculous I can’t even roll it to the trash!
The broken transmission may the the reason. Otherwise take the wheel and look at the drive gear.
Home Garage Going to give it one more try, thank to your video. Much appreciated!
@@gatorr4life no problem.
Well done. Although I've replaced both rear wheels, I need to go back and take a look at cleaning.
Robert Blake great work and good luck.
I have not seen you mention anything about premature wearing of the plastic Drive gear on the wheel of the Toro Personal pace. It's definitely a design problem because the steal drive gear does not set deep enough into the plastic gear on the Wheel and before too long you have to replace that wheel that still has plenty of plastic gear left on it!
oh I see what you're asking. you mean the plastic teeth on the wheel portion. I haven't mentioned it because I haven't come across it yet I guess But I know what you're talking about.
Well this was my third Toro that had this problem with,I was hoping that Toro had come up with something like a wheel with a larger diameter gear on it or a wheel bracket kit that put that wheel closer to the steel drive gear.These companies hire engineers to design flaws in the equipment to limit their life expectancy and this is one of them!
you are correct. the wheels were meant to only last a certain amount of time before the teeth wears out on the wheel. Yes I would have like to have seen an "extend" metal gear, to reach the fresh part of the plastic.
Yes first it was the self propel then the blade slowed down to where it won’t cut the grass
Thanks for the information. I believe the blade adapter is broken and needs replacing. Specifically the key way is broken on th3 adapter.
Home Garage Thank you ! I’ll check it out and see.
I have a problem with my troy built mower. When the wheels are off the ground and i don't put too much pressure on the self propelled lever the wheels will spin. But as soon as they touch the ground nothing. The belt seems good so do you think it's the transmission? And how do i go about fixing it?
Thanks Eddie Maxwell for the comment is the mower front or rear wheel drive?
@@HomeGaragechannel rear wheel drive. It's the one where the cable pulls the whole transmission to tighten the belt.
@@eddiemaxwell7593 have you tried taking off the wheels to look at the axles? The only other thing it could be is wear inside the gearbox. The 2 gears are just barely touching and any load is causing the wheels not to turn.
@@HomeGaragechannel yes sir i even took one wheel off and tried it so i could see that the axle is what stops spinning. It really sucks because it's a really expensive part that i can't afford. Sorry to bother you man it's such a nice mower that i got for really cheap and really wanted to get it going. It even has electric start and runs perfect. I guess I'll just use it as a push mower unless i get lucky and find one at the scrap yard that i can get parts off of. I can't complain i paid 10 bucks and ordered a cheap battery for 15. I guess 25 for a mower with electric start that i have to push ain't so bad.
@@eddiemaxwell7593 no problem. I have seen these transmission go out on these and it's a real shame. Its a Push mower now.
Great job editing in the background music. Nice touch without it being dominant.
thanks but i have since removed all music because a lot of people didn't like it
Thanks for the great video! You saved me a bunch of money.
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it
Wouldn't lithium grease work better for that? Use gloves if you use lithium grease it has warnings on the can what is causes
I think you're right.
Run it DRY. Any lube unless it's a DRY LUBE, you are asking for trouble.
I have a Toro FWD that won't disengage. the wheels are always going even with belt very loose. looking for some advice. thank you!
take the cover off and make sure that the belt isn't tight
I have the same problem and was hoping this fix would correct my drive problem. Model 20332. Took off the wheel, snap ring and gear, to find the axle is different on mine. There is NO spring loaded cog! Where my gear fits, the axle is squared off. Can’t find ANY video showing my setup. Any advice? Ever hear of a different axle on these models?
unfortunately that means the problem is the gearbox
I have a 20332 also. Won't back up. Installed new Toro drive belt and adjusted cable clamp. Pulls good then pulls softer till you need to adjust the cable again. Only thing left are the pulleys and trans.
Ever replaced the blade stop belt bearings and spacers on these? My bearings broke off into several pieces. Those parts are hard to find as is that belt isn’t even listed on toros site.
sorry can't say that I have.
I just replaced my cabled and the wheels aren’t moving at all. I’ll have to see if this is a possibility
worth a shot
How do u remove FWD gear that will not slide off of axle... And yes i removed the retaining clip
Thanks for the comment I appreciate it . I'm going to look at it today and see if I have one and tell you then.
I was able to find one in my horde to look at. It must be seized on the shift so If it were me I would use a 2 claw pulley puller.
If only it was this easy an all mower brands. I’ve had a Honda commercial mower fail due to the transmission unit going out
Really? was it a hydrostatic transmission?
I have a Murray wheels turn except when it touches ground the self propelled stops altogether
either the belt has stretched, or there might be a problem with the gears inside the gearbox. they maybe worn out, the gears will make contact when you life the mower, but when you put a load not the gearbox, the gears won't make contact.
@@HomeGaragechannel i may need tge transmission
quite possibly
Just bought my new Toro 20353 and notice the front wheels dont spin when I put the front wheels up with the drive system in gear. But the real wheels are going. Do I have a defective unit?
Thank you for the comment. Have you checked to see if the front belt is off the pulley above the blade?
@@HomeGaragechannel Out of the box the tension cables to all 4 wheels was loose. I got them tightened and now the mower pulls me up the hill. Thanks for the response.
@@xtintit thank you for the update
How do you release a stuck key (last step of your disassembly)?
I've never had to deal with that, but I would using a small pick along with some brake cleaner.
1. Don't use WD40 to clean it out.
2. Don't put grease back onto the axle as that's what caused the problem to start with collecting dirt and clogging everything up.
Thanks
Clean it off for a good put some graphite on I don't do that as a part of maintenance once a year
How can I fix my wobbly front wheel tire on a Toro self propelled lawnmower? Lawnmower has real wheel traction. Front wheels are just held by screw.
Thank you Justo Juez. If the front wheel is wobbly I'll assume its just worn out so to make it less wobbly take the wheel off and try using something to take the space up from the wheelaand the bolt. I would suggest using a pop can. Cut into a strip wide enough to fit inside the hole for the bolt and wrap the can around it once or twice to make up for the missing plastic. If not replacement wheels are 10-20 dollars online.
I've not yet seen a yardman 12av829c755 video yet so people must have either just threw there's away or never made a video like these
The 2006 yardman self propelled mowers have similar problems as honda and that one and its still worth fixing when it was brand new it costed someone $399.99 and that's not cheap im gonna regrease mines little transmission and any other gear parts and smoothen the axle
I'll have to look up the model and see If I might have working one.
@@HomeGaragechannel i know how to take it all apart and put it all back together fine. i just was looking to see if anyone else had any small problems with there's
At first mine wasn't rolling backwards but after i used it a little it started working and now rolls backwards fine its still a little stiff when pulling it backwards i think its fine though
I believe someone switched the tires on it at sometime and each side on the front of the frame needs 2 metal plates because it looks like someone cut the frame to get the front axle out so the front is loose
did you ever check to see if the transmission fluid was low?
@@HomeGaragechannel im going to check to see if it is it might just take grease
Whats he spraying on it??
Carb or brake cleaner. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
Ever seen this same mower where the self propel works as should but the wheels don’t roll backwards?
I think I made a video on it?
I have both side don’t run for some reason
did you check the belt?
Anytime you grease that axle and that gear you're just attracting more dirt and grime I suggest taking the wheel off want to hear puff some graphite in there
good stuff.....but both of my wheels spin.. but have no PULLING power. It barely pulls on flat cement.
Gotcha. Try something for me. On the left side of the handle there is a plastic piece that holds the cable for the self propel. Loosen the nut and pull the cable down about a quarter inch and tighten the nut. This will put more tension on the drive belt. If it helps but could be better still move the cable down another quarter inch. Let me know if this helps.
It worked! thanks.. now, since I have a spare belt in the garage, should I just go ahead and change it cause the current one might be wearing out?
Cool. Honestly I wouldn't change it just yet but then again it's your mower. Up to you.
Home Garage
Just bought a used toro recycler on Craig List just like that and think the transmission is starting to go 😡.
Sounds like the gears are starting to slip/ grind. The tires both move okay and the personal pace is working fine.
I suppose this is the first sign?
neither wheelsare turning?
on your mower or the ones in the video?
Home Garage on my mower, neither wheels turn
I was looking for some info before getting into it. It’s rear wheel drive so wasn’t sure there was even a belt.
I gave 50 bucks for it. It runs great starts right up , has the key start . Hasn’t been used much maybe two seasons.
@@NoName-be5ir thanks for the reply. Yes check the belt under the deck. After that take the rear wheels off and see if the gears or roll pins are working like they're supposed to. Let me know
my problem is pulling the mower backwards the rear wheels wont turn?
Thank for the comment. Remove the rear wheels. Remove the retaining clip and the take the gear off and put it on backwards. I have a video with a Honda in the thumbnail that has the same issue and that was the fix.
@@HomeGaragechannel Hard to see which end goes up on the gear. Mark it after taking off and dont mix left and right sides. lol
@@MrClay57 good tip. Thank you for the comment
how do I get the replacement keys for the self propelled gear? I followed ur video and when I got to the key part my key literally crumbled to dust! lol
sure, go to Ereplacementparts dot com, put in your model number, cross reference with the serial number and the diagram will show up.
i have a toro from 2006 i believe and my self propel won't stop running lol as soon as i start the mower that belt is goin and the mower takes off. any suggestions?
was the belt replaced at some point? it may have been replaced with a smaller belt. tje belt is to be slacked until you move the self propel handlen
@@HomeGaragechannel thats what im thinking. i got the model number and correct belt should be here friday. thanks!
@@josephpederson7291 no problem and thanks for the comment I appreciate it
I have a Toro Recycler 22" model #20340 needing some repairs. There are several Toro Recycler 22's for sale near me at reasonable prices, so I'm thinking of buying one. Do you know if parts would be interchangeable as long as it is another 22" RWD or do I have to do an exact match - another model 20340 to be able to swap out parts. Appreciate any guidance / input you can provide to help me with this. Thanks!
it's best to match up the model number and also make sure the serial numbers are in the same range. you'll have to look at a list online to find out the ranges.
Great video, very helpful. Thank you.
Thanks for the comment I appreciate it
This was fabulous, but I am definitely a beginner. What brand grease are you using to re lubricate the drive gear?
Thank you for the comment. It's a universal red grease.
What was the mower model number on that machine please? 20332??
I'm sorry but I don't have this mower anymore.
@@HomeGaragechannel Appreciate it anyway sir.
@@rickjames6948 No problem.
Is it possible this is the problem with my mower. The transmission belt is turning when engaged but the wheels isnt turning. I have a similar toro model. I should also mentioned that the self propel just stopped working all of a sudden while cutting lawn.
Temujin Khan thanks for commenting. Is it rear wheel drive or front? The belt is hard to see on rear wheel drive models. The front wheel trannys have lots of gear problems.
Its front... possible springs but i cant imagine both getting clogged at the same time
Temujin Khan I'm just hoping it's not an internal issue in the tranny.
Thanks you have solved my problem
Thank you Djole for the comment I appreciate it
Can that fix the problem on a Craftman too? Thanks, I subbed as well.
Help, my front wheel toro wheels aren't turning. I took the cover off and I can see that the belt is spinning fine on the pulley but the gears on the transmission dont seem to be spinning. Could this be fixed or is the transmission shot?
Thank you Luis Trevino for the comment. The front wheel drive units are interesting. There are two types from what I can tell. One is the self propel bar will move the entire gearbox away from the engine and this makes the belt grab the crankshaft pulley and turns the pulley on the transmission. The other method is the belt is always tight and the self propel bar actually moves a lever inside the gearbox to make it work. Please squeeze the lever while the over is off the deck and see if the gearbox is moving or stationary. Then we can decide if the transmission is bad. If it's bad then you would buy a used tranny on Ebay but I had to say it it's not a fun job at all.
Home Garage thanks for the info. I did squeeze the lever with the cover off. I can see the pulley moving forward when I engage the lever and the belt is spinning just fine around it.
I tried to spin the pulley by hand and I can see the gear closest to the pulley (the one that looks to be upside down in the transmission box) spins but it’s not catching the bigger gear (the one that is attached to the axle.
You did a great job in looking at it and telling me what you see. I have seen this problem before unfortunately it looks like the two gears have worn to the point that they are not touching each other. An unconventional fix is to remove the upside down gear and reinstall it with washer to move the upside down gear closer to the other gear. However it doesn't always work. I'm not sure if you can buy the gears separately and replace them.
INSIDE HOUSE GARAGE thank you very much I’m definitely going to try the washer first and see if that works. Otherwise I’ll get new gears. Thanks again!
What spray did you use?
Brake clean or carb cleaner.
lol I change my cable but now when I push it stops she I pull it goes forward now I’m confused,help,,,,
your description is a bit confusing. Can you describe the situation again? you might also want to start a new comment because any reply to this one, will be lost from all the new comments I get.
Just the video I needed thanks!
Thank you for the comment I appreciate it
this lawnmower is only two years old and i have had repaired the drive three times
that's a shame
@Home Garage my Toro had been grinding in the left rear wheel slightly and then just yesterday while I was mowing it became uber stuff to push. I realized the self propel is inoperable . It smoked slightly so I’m guessing it may be a belt and possibly something in the rear gear fir the wheel grind? Your thoughts? Thank you.
try replacing the belt, it that doesn't work, then the transmission may be the problem
@@HomeGaragechannel today I will be looking at the belt and gears in the wheel. If those 2 things repaired do not fix the issues…transmission will be considered. Thank you for the video and advice.
no problem
@@HomeGaragechannel with the mower up right and wheels off, should both gears move freely and separately as well as for ward and back ward. Each gear only spins the axle to its own side. Is this normal?
this question require more information at different gearbox's work differently. I need the model and serial number, so I can pull up some drawings.
Don't do it out in the grass where you are going to drop one of those small parts and lose it
too late, it happens a lot. I've started to move towards the back patio, if I'm going to work on the smaller part though.
Thats all ive got to work in so i lay a tarp down
My little spring fell out and I lost it. Is it a big deal not to have it?
Gary Pierce thanks for the comment. Yes its important. I believe you find generic little springs at lowes, home depot and most hardware stores.
Home Garage Thank you for the fast reply and helpful info. I will go to Lowes and get one. It's nice to find good and free help from people who know what they are talking about. Thanks again!
No problem.
How to clean fuel line on toro self propelled
just replace the line,.