The GRAND New Stations of Grand Paris Express! | Paris Line 15 & Line 18
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The Grand Paris Express is the western world's largest transit project, and we got to go on an incredible tour behind the scenes to see several of the sites that are fast progressing. Come along and enjoy!
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Years of hard work building your channel mean that people in the transit space take you seriously enough to organise a tour for you and for us. Congratulations!
Yes, I think RM Transit built a very nice channel! There aren’t many channels like his.
I was just thinking this. Well done to him and other infrastructure nerds like us ❤
Yeah it was a really special moment for me, thanks for watching!
@@RMTransit No problem, thanks for your Videos!
Hope the experts take his proposals for 'bad' cities seriously 😅🙏
I'm so utterly, unfathomably jealous of what's going on in Paris. They recognized a problem, smartened up, and are swiftly and efficiently fixing it. And in typical French fashion, it's stunning to look at as well.
Yesterday was the 100th anniversary of Gustave Eiffel's death. He set the precedent of making the utilitarian handsome.
It's just a very expensive and useless boondoggle. Most of the "grand paris express" goes thru slums. It was designed from the start for "social equity".... It's the most massive woke project ever, everyone pays for it, and a few happy ones will have the pleasure to vandalize it!
As of today, the things that have been built, even not in service for now, are already heavily vandalized... Can't wait for the 31 of december, wonder what will be arsoned on this night in this project!
@@Damien.D wow, that's a huge loads of bullshit! I don't even know where to begin...
@@Damien.D begone nimby
@@casquefou1535 I'm french and live near Paris, i'm pretty well versed on what the reality of the whole surrounding looks like....
That public engagement centre is amazing, why that isn't typical for major transit projects is crazy. I can't even imagine Toronto's new LRT line as - again - delays by Metrolinx or Bombadier.
Every GPE construction site has a contact person anyone can call, their name and mobile phone number is plastered on the boarding outside the construction site. When the first tunneler went underground they held a big event with singers, dancers and fun.
In HK or Singapore, opening of a new line is a big event with many fans being crazy about it, it's great to see
It really has to be seen, its very impressive.
I suspect because France wants to sell that knowledge to other countries and usually does which makes the investment sensible as a show room. It may also helps a lot with long term hiring of engaged young people.
As a Parisian i take the 14 everyday. It’s really fast and going through the whole city in less than 20 minutes always amazes me
Yeah, but I'm dreading the extension to Orly when it gets filled with tourists with too much baggage. :)
@@JohnHughesChampigny If the frequencies match the demand, problem (kinda) solved.
But most big luggage carriers will still keep prioritizing taxis or transfers, metro will appeal more to the carry on luggage tourists, who get in faster.
@@ruipeixoto5737 you should see the RER B... with the tourists and several rolling lugages.... taking a 4 seats space ( to keep the lugages at hand ) for one person... at peak hour. ( the RER B has both Paris Airports on the line )
It's a classic.
At least the line 14 will get all the Orly passengers ( and the humongous lugages ) out of the RER B.
It is a joke ligne 14 is always blocked during the day or late
@@ErickHumboldt It's not perfect but it works OK given how many people ride it everyday.
I hope that it gets better once the Orly extension is opened
as an american, I am sobbing in my hands and at the same time proud of France.
As an Australian, im the same. Both our countries are too far down the car centric rabbit hole unfortunately.
You shouldn't be.
Paris is a shithole.
(I'm french and I lived in Paris)
used to live in Paris and I agree. Stay in your capitals, ours has become a rathole@@Martin-sx4bx
always shocking to read comments of peoples shi/ting on their own city or country while complaining it's a shi/thole. Sad insular people.
@@Martin-sx4bx @RomainRiviere fermez vos gueules
The elevated section is amazing - it doesn't seem to impose on the skyline at all.
"The best way to beat NIMBYs is to build beautiful bridges" - 10/10 will use this IRL
Its really something to witness, beautiful
or build no bridges
So cool. Thanks for the insider tour!
As a parisian i feel lucky that i will be able to use the GPX in the near future. Btw, you should update your RER map, the juvisy-massy section is now part of the T12, and even though it change nothing for those using it, the massy- versailles section is now transilien V line.
That looks like a complete mess. Make everyone who wants to go that direction from Versailles change again at Massy.
Most of the people that go from any station in the Bièvres valley towards Massy stops in Massy, changes for the RER B or busses in Massy, that's also true for people coming from the stations between Massy and Juvisy.
It simplified the octopus that's the RER C and now if there's a problem in Pontoise, Ivry or Versailles RG - Chateau, it has no impact on the Massy - Versailles Chantier line. I use that new Transilien line regularly and between the added trains to increase the frequency and the regularity it now has it's a great change.
And last it cleaned the mess of trains that went from Versailles - Chantier to Versailles RG - Chateau ( and back ) that left tourists that took the RER C the wrong way stranded on the other side of Versailles and far from the Chateau.
Now OTOH, the T12 that replaced the Juvisy Massy branch of the C is undersized and already at peak hour it's filled to capacity which is not good.
@@tenalafel T12 is already packed at rush less than a month after opening?
Maybe it's due to the suboptimal number of trams, as there are delays in delivery and the line is apparently operating with a reduced fleet of trams while waiting for the remainder of the order to be delivered.
@@KyrilPGThat, and other issues.For example, even though I no longer use the Massy-Juvisy junction, I tried to take the T12 from Epinay-Sur-Orge to Massy and apparently, from what I have seen and heard from friends who use it regularly, there is a lack of drivers on this line, which leads to delays and a lower frequency than we were told.
@@fusionstorm2402 Yeah, that's the problem of opening a handful of tramway lines when there's also a great shortage of drivers. It becomes even more visible and problematic.
Canada needs to lure over more French designers to get those low prices.
Agreed! French designers to make stations look great. Japanese management to ensure projects are completed on time!
@@japanesetrainandtravel6168 the shinkansen was 2x over budget and years delayed
Ironically, Montréal needs them most
Try pulling the same stunt in the USA and see how quickly you get bombarded with cries of "globalism!!" from angry MAGAites.
Or lower barriers to becoming one, to train that many, you'd need many ongoing projects in north america.
The scale and vision of this project is truly impressive! 200km!, other cities sorely need to take note especially with cost control and ambition
Imagine New York or Chicago with 200km of new metro!
Actually it's more. 200 km that's only for the 4 new metro lines. They also extended lines already existing, created new tramway lines, remodeled the neighbourhoods next to those lines, retrofitted the entire network, changed the old trains for new ones etc etc. That's for the public transportation part but the Grand Paris Project that's also real estate. Building new housing everywhere, tearing down entire neighbourhoods and rebuilding them new. That's quite impressive to see.
200 km solely for Grand Paris Express. Don't forget many dozens of kilometres of new RER trains, tramways and classic metro lines expansions.
I currently work on this project. I confirm that it's a huge and an amazing project, especially the stations themselves.
I do hope the stations are beautiful and not fugly like Auber
How come Moscow has work of art stations and we don't ?
Vous pouvez être fier mais pourquoi les façades des gares sont elle si moches ? Le beau ne se conjugue qu'au passé dans notre pays ?
Thanks for all your work, it looks great!
@@varoonnone7159 Every station will be unique and beautiful. The notion of beauty is subjective. The metro of Moscow was built in a different era. Today in Moscow they don't built like in the past. Today we take in account many many other factors like thermal comfort, natural light, maintenance cost, etc etc.
Every era has to play it's role and leave it's mark for the future.
P.S I still believe that in more than 309 métro stations in paris, there only a few of them that aren't very "beautiful".
I take the bus you saw running under the bridge to go to the university, this is hell, I can't wait for it to open
Yeah I saw these busses' nightmare on Parigo TV show, they are beyond saturation aren't they?
Well... If you look at the theory things improved since the number of busses on time as the region ordered is increasing... However the issue is that a bus line is far from being enough... To be clear the busses were already exploding 2 years ago... Yet, they opened more and more labs, campuses. So much that what was hardly manageable is now out of bounds. This mess was yet to be expected since those new places I mentioned were built in anticipation for the metro line, which got delayed of a few years. The buildings got built in time However, that is the issue.
@@yannischupin7787 And yet there are still people adamantly saying M18 is useless, that it is a vanity project and that busses can do better and cheaper. 🤯
I think they have their head so far up their butt that they wouldn't be able to recognize the situation even if they had to use this bus every day... 🤣
I really don't understand the people who judge what's needed or not based mostly on their uneducated impressions and feelings. It's really obvious that the busses are not enough and impractical... Especially for a university excellence cluster like Paris-Saclay, with growing campuses and international crowds.
The opponents don't account for driver shortages, complex schedules, the prevalence of a large pool of non-motorized students, nor even the fact that many local inhabitants have been simply begging for years for an efficient rail connection of some sort.
Just like some of the environmental opposition to M18, spewing massively exaggerated claims, as if the pillars of the viaduct would completely wreck the hydrology of the entire region... while the roads in the vicinity are jammed to a standstill twice a day.
The infrastructure is built with ultra low carbon materials, low carbon fiber concrete, recycled iron rebars molten in electric furnaces, environmental mitigation features everywhere... And a real capacity to reduce road traffic.
I'm only worrying about one thing : that SGP / IDFM may have underestimated the ridership and that the line may end up saturated way earlier than expected at peak times.
Anyway, it wouldn't be Paris if it wasn't underestimated in some way, as it seems to be a tradition. (cf T2, T3a, T3b, T9... or the expected daily ridership of the GPE that was revised from 2 to 3 million rides, not exactly a marginal correction).
I hope you'll get to ride and enjoy M18 for long enough before the end of your studies ! Waiting for the solution of your daily hassles while looking at it everyday is a pretty vicious kind of torture.
I can't wait until Ligne 15 is operational. One of the stations is being built a stone's throw from my place and it will make commuting that much easier when it opens. To be fair, the tram ligne T9 has already been a massive improvement since it has entered service. I used to have a car but now I don't even need it anymore.
I love the really attractive design of the stations on Grand Paris Express. It has to be, given the ridership could be much higher than originally anticipated due to Parisians wanting to get around the city without dealing with the crowded center city. the new Line 15 will function like Tokyo's JR East Yamanote Line or Osaka's JR West Osaka Loop Line.
I wouldn't actually compare Line 15 to the Yamanote Line, the Yamanote Line is very central while Line 15 is quite suburban!
It's nothing like the Yamanote Line and the Osaka Loop Line which are about as "crowded center city" as you can get anywhere in the world.
@@tcookiem But what the Yamanote Line did was allow Tokyo citizens to travel between the wards near the center of Tokyo without having to go through the very center of the city itself.
@@Sacto1654 Paris already has such an inner ring though. This is further out by Versailles. If would be more like putting a metro from Yokohama to Saitama while passing Tokyo around Hachioji.
@@tcookiemParis and those close suburbs have a population density way higher than the center of Tokyo. That's not even counting the tourists and the visitors.
La Fabrique du Metro Is Exactly what we should have to show case the Ontario line. And Seeing as Toronto is no stranger to art installations, why not? The aesthetics of French trains like the new cars you rode on are on another level.
I agree, a centre of this scale to show off all of the projects would be great
Toronto is not a city of design and nothing creative. You cannot even buy wine or beers at the grocery store or convenience store.
@@user-iw4jl6bc8h 100% agree with you! Been living here for 24 years, and still nothing exciting. Just more boring condos that make the city so windy.
We got the Elizabeth Line but so many other projects were proposed and are in serious doubt now. I envy the French now, this looks amazing but this is what happens when planning takes a regional approach, they feed into each other. Paris becomes Ile de France for its suburban and satellite town areas but they appear to work together. London and the home counties seem to obstruct each other and rarely plan infrastructure together and get in the way so nothing happens. Paris' RER was basically 5 crossrails already without this new scheme! We really need similar orbital routes for the south east region (And the Northern cities between Liverpool and Leeds) as that's only way to relieve the Motorways and A roads. North of London there are few east to west routes by rail as everything is north to south which is a big problem. The other really impressive thing with France is the amount of new tramways they have opened throughout the country since 2010, they are decades ahead.
Buying the land and the resulting court cases is expensive here. In France the land owners don’t get any say. The government tells them that their land is going to be taken at a fixed price and there is nothing the landowner can do about it.
@@johnturner4400not true. Many go to courts and try to negotiate a better price in court. There are several steps before going on court, there is a mediation done by a specialized administration. At the end the state can be condemned to pay a higher price but it can’t block the project after “the declaration d’intérêt publique”
In the UK, before a project is officially announced, well-connected "informed" individuals start buying the land to be used for the project at market price, only to sell it to the authority in charge of the project at inflated price. They call that business, yet the rest of the world calls it profiteering. However, Brits don't question the attitude of anyone with nice clothing and a pretentious tone. Your country is being destroyed by classism.
I just recently took the newest tramway, the T12 from Évry to Massy
@@Sayitlikitiz101 I don't know who's worse, the landowners, speculators or the local council/ national government. They don't serve the way to the infrastructure we need so much. The effects of the green belt is just a side effect really but it don't help. You are right though, it seems like there is a lot of corruption about, it seems that way when I follow the developments in my area.
that stainless steel collar is a beautiful touch
Love that you were able to show us the behind te scenes of this project. One of the most exciting and transformative ones in europe if not the world. Lots of cities and countries could learn from Paris
With all the craziness that is modern Europe these days, I find it entirely refreshing that Paris and France look entirely sane in comparison when it comes to infrastructure builds and not wasting government $$. And I'm not just talking rail. When you compare power grids between say France, UK and Germany, clearly the French made the rational and wise choice to invest in nuclear power, not abandon it and treat it with the respect it deserves. Now it has the lowest emissions in Mainland Europe. Meanwhile in Germany? They killed nuclear, expanded coal and tried to make up the difference with wind and solar... Now it's emissions are the highest per capita and growing... And infrastructure projects seem to be planned and dumped as fast as here in Canada... And the UK? Well?????? Well all know the story there... YIKES!
France is actually so great
Can't wait to see this new system being built when I visit Paris next month!
Line 15 will be operational in late 2025 and line 18 will partially open in 2026, so we all need to wait a bit longer to see them.
*see it under construction
@@crowmob-yo6ry Then there are 2 locations you really need to visit:
1) La Fabrique du Métro, as shown in the video, but there might be certain days and conditions, check the site.
2) The expo about Paris metro and the Grand Paris Express in "La Cité de l'Architecture et du Patrimoine", located in the North wing of the Trocadero / Palais de Chaillot.
It's a temporary expo until June 2nd 2024.
It's called "Métro ! Le Grand Paris Express en mouvement", it's like 9 € for a ticket.
There's a giant real (and used) TBM cutter wheel erected in front of the entrance.
It's the building wing on the left when you're on the Trocadero plaza facing the Eiffel Tower, you can't miss it with the cutter wheel anyway.
They both perfectly complement each other, with great miniature models of stations and various displays.
La Fabrique du Métro is exclusively about the Grand Paris Express and like a showroom and trial center.
The expo is about both the historical metro and the GPE, covering architectural and design aspects.
Enjoy your visit in Paris.
You can have an idea of what line 15 will be on line 14 though. An idea of the new tramways with line 9 or line 12 which opened less than 1 month ago. An idea of the new RER on RER E.
A classmate told me of an optical research project on the campus of Paris Saclay, with lasers put on top of a giant stone slab to minimize any vibrations.
Allegedly, part of the metro project around the campus (seen at 11:24 ) was delayed for a few months because the risk of disrupting the experiment was too great!
As a frenchie from Paris suburbs I am so proud of this amazing project !
Paris will have the most extensive transportation network on pair with Tokyo simply amazing and great for Paris regions as it will create new neighbourhoods all over
The real luxury is to be at the country side
@@ErickHumboldtThere is the countryside in Paris and those towns are well connected to the local public transportation network as well.
I don't think the network will be as big as the Tokyo one in terms of lengths, Tokyo is huge. But Paris already has the densest network in the world, isn't far from the Tokyo network in terms of the number of lines.
As someone who lives in Tokyo I have to congratulate the French on that. What has been achieved here is amazing
I was recently at the architecture museum at the Trocadero in Paris, it has an expo on the Grand Paris Express with lots of models. They look amazing, i can't wait to see them built.
Love your videos
Nice idea for a visit, thanks!
I like that the trains have two tracks and the highways have two lanes in each direction with very little traffic at the time of video recording.
You won't find single-track rail lines outside of extremely remote rural branch lines.
@@katrinabryce Yes, I just like the train to car ratio. It is much better than in North America.
Meanwhile in the USA, the highway would be clogged and the train empty, all thanks to the suburbanites' stupid irrational fear of crime.
@@crowmob-yo6ry Yes, the reality is that people are much safer on public transit as compared to car travel. I have seen many car crashes that have resulted in death or serious injury. On public transit, I’ve never seen anything worse than a scuffle. It is also reflected in statistics.
Don't be fooled. At friday evening, this "highway" (not real highway, just a car road) if filled. It's one of the main road from some highways to paris. Also, sometimes there is some snow, and this road is closed (because of the slope), buses included. When this happens, it's a little drama in the area, so people tends to anticipate when a snow storm is coming.
I wish London (and UK in general) had matching ambition to building infrastructure as the French do!
Ah, but we have Network North [Circular] which is filling in potholes in London 🤪.
You forgot HSR 2😂
@@riderchallenge4250 The UK forgot HSR2 too.
Most Tories really wish they were Americans and, following the US lead, despise public transportation. That's what you get when you have Tories running the country for most of the last 45 years.
So London didn’t spend £18billion on the Elizabeth line?
Can we hire the French to build the Interborough Express in Brooklyn?
Yes you can. SNCF for example built the Morocco High Speed Rail line. RATP are working on regional train services in Johannesburh and Cairo, and loads of metro projects, including part of the Sydney Metro.
For local and regional services you would want to go with RATP rather than SNCF, and go with SNCF for intercity services.
Sure, because choosing light rail for the IBX is beyond me... It should be real metro, like the GPE, as orbital lines end up with massive ridership.
I wish, but we all know any attempt to cooperate with foreigners will immediately be met with cries of "GLOBALISM!!!" from angry MAGAites.
I can't get enough of your channel! I love your enthusiasm and how well you explain the detail that someone like me would miss. And as someone who is afraid of heights, I thank you for scaling the elevated guideway for me 🙂
Very exciting, and you haven’t seen the best looking stations yet! Saint-Maur - Créteil, La Défense, Porte Maillot and Saint-Denis Pleyel are going to be truly impressive and beautiful
They used marble for Porte maillot!
Saint Maur Creteil is a very nice station, the deepest in France in fact (I was one of the designers for the contractor building it). What's interesting is that Porte Maillot and La Défense have nothing to due with the grand paris express, it's a totally different project (RER E).
@@michaelmains6785 C'est vous le responsable de la façade du projet ? Pourquoi les designers comme vous font des batiment si moche, c'est fou quand même des gares comme Gare du nord ou de Lyon sont belles mais aujourd'hui on a le droit à des gares quelconque.
@@michaelmains6785Extending lines are part of the Grand Paris Project.
@@puccaland only Line 14. RER E (the Project with Porte Maillot) is delivered by the SNCF not SGP.
This is so grand that I can't believe they really went ahead with it! Other cities and countries are put to shame.
To be honest, the Parisians were also skeptical at the beginning. That was nearly 15 years ago.
How lucky Parisian are. The Line 18 is amazing.
Well they will be quite hungry in the near future. This line goes in the middle for crop fields that will soon be entirely urbanized.
Thank you for this video. To be honest, I didn't even know that this is being built till 6 month ago. This is super impressive. Other cities are fighting and struggling to build a new line with 5 stations, whereas Paris builds 200+ km of Metro lines in one go. I actually was in Paris 4 month ago and saw some work going on.
The project has been in the works for a long Time if you account for the administrative work ahead of any project, but the fact it is a sole actor (Societe du Grand Paris) to hold the project helped to retain its original coherence over all of the various municipalities and districts in the Paris region.
Paris is a great city
@@vekaras2667The project was announced 12 years ago, construction started few years later, most of it has been completed already. There is more than just the 4 new metro lines and their 200km.
Look the Paris plan is excellent but digs at other cities without understanding the context is unwarranted. Yes the new line in London only had 5km or so of new underground track but completing that in the heart of the City is a very different proposition to building in suburbs. London also already has good connections to suburbs, it has many different challenges that Paris does (or will) not but that is not the problem for London. Please praise the Paris project without needing to denigrate other cities
@@Robc--jd6yh you strike a point here. There is no "one size fits all" solution. All projects should be taken into context and not compared outside of it
It's really nice that you came over here! (I might actually have been in the field of view of the camera at Le Moulon, depending on when it was filmed)
Transit in Paris and Île-de-France actually had a lot of developments in the past two months: the opening of tram-train line T12 (and the Transilien V), the first public circulations of the new RER NG train (which is imo the best rolling stock for regional rail i've ever seen), and the announcement of 45 new express coaches lines for the most remote towns in the region
While Paris gets that attention, the metropolis of Lille (which is the 3rd in France in terms of inhabitants) is suing Alstom for a completion delay of at least 10 years just for an extension of capacity for its mere two lines of metro ... I wish the government started to focus on other cities apart from the capital.
Agreed from Aix-Marseille 😢
Marseille got 1B€ for transportation projects recently didn't it? And as far as I know Lille is going to build several lines of tramway and BRT in the very near future
So get out and fight. GPE was pushed by the petit couronne, not by Paris.
@@Danjuanfr announced. Many things are announced. Where I live we had a station announced since before I was born in 1993. Starts building next year (hopefully).
And honestly for the 2nd city of France, we are so behind 1B€ would only get us close to the other big French cities not better.
It's been the same problem for centuries, the elites always focus on Paris, the rest of the country is always an afterthought. The monstruous size of Paris is in any case unsustainable. We're wasting money on a 20th century project.
I started being a transit fan as a kid when I saw that they would build a station in my neighborhood in the proposals. I'm so excited for it to be completed and finally ride it
I love how the Grand Paris Express is far less flashy than British projects like Crossrail and HS2, which are massively overdesigned and have to look like ''the project of the century'' to get built.
What's left of HS2.
Is it really though?
Because out of 68 new stations on the GPE, 65 are totally unique and quite grandiose, with only 3 somewhat sharing the same general design (all 3 elevated).
There's an architect and artist duo for almost each of them, several stations have even more escalators than they have platform screen doors and they pretty much all look like the result of an architectural contest between top firms.
One has a monumental staircase inspired by the Loire Valley castles, another has a suspended garden over a man-made grotto, another is a giant cylinder acting as a light well crisscrossed by a forest of escalators while yet another is like a ridge or faultline with a large void bridged by zigzaging escalators.
Though there's less bragging and chest pounding than with UK projects, sure, but the design, materials and sizes are anything but low-key.
@@KyrilPG I was mainly thinking about the fact that Crossrail has massive cavernous stations, at least in the central segment, and from what I've seen of the Grand Paris Express, everything is less flashy and on a more reasonable scale compared to London. They are still clean and modern, but aren't so over-the-top from what I've seen. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
@@soj_89 Not really, cavernous stations are Paris specialty, from the gigantic cavernous "cathedrals" of RER A in the 70's (Auber, Nation, Charles de Gaulle Étoile), the central trunk of RER E in the late 90's (Magenta, Haussmann Saint Lazare) to the new ones or RER E West extension opening in spring 2024 :
The giant light well of Porte Maillot and the huge cavern of La Défense CNIT built via mole techniques under a huge expo center (they didn't have vertical access so they built laterally under the CNIT building, then extended its foundations to carve out a huge space.
Same for the GPE, many stations have very large boxes, with cavernous halls, only the platforms look more cozy.
So much that you can see them easily on sat view with a relatively low zoom.
Have a look at stations like Villejuif Institut Gustave Roussy, or Saint-Maur Créteil (equivalent to a 20 story tower but underground), or Saint-Denis Pleyel (the hub with a "ridge like" atrium), all on line M15.
The underground structure of Noisy-Champs, where M15 & M16 meet, is more than a kilometer long.
Or the grotto and garden roof of Ivry Centre...
And certain storage yards are mostly underground.
They also used more TBM's simultaneously digging, and for shorter distances, to speed up the process.
The website of Société du Grand Paris also exists in English, or use Chrome translate options, but have a look at the pictures of stations, they are very large.
And to be fair, stations on the Elizabeth line are multi tubular with side tracks, rather than cavernous, it would have been difficult to build them smaller.
The problem lies with the way procurement and designing / building tenders are done, the cost is unjustifiably inflated compared to other developed non-English speaking countries like France or Spain.
Have a look at the stations I mentioned, especially Porte Maillot and La Défense CNIT on RER E West extension (they are almost finished) which are the perfect example of very cavernous, underground cathedrals.
When they dug La Défense CNIT, it looked a bit like the Tokyo flood reservoirs...
Agreed with KyrilPG. Look up Gare Saint-Denis Pleyel (the GPE "central" station), Gare Pont de Bondy, Gare La Courneuve-Six Routes, Gare Vitry Centre, Gare Nanterre-La Boule, etc., and keep in mind that these are all out in the suburbs outside of Paris proper. The design brief *is* to be flashy, to counteract the perception that Paris gets all the nice things.
The scale of the GPE is incredible. Paris will probably have the best transit system in the world when it is completed.
It already has according to some studies.
Those aerial structures are so beautiful!
Amazing job, Paris! That life-size full-blown project engagement centre is something that we should have here in Singapore for our new metro projects, instead of those small ones located in the construction sites.
Line 15 will be a game changer in suburb to suburb transportation. Most of the big companies now have their office in suburbs really near Paris.
Many people will be able to reach their destination within few stations. It's incredible !
For example, I live in Boulogne, really near Paris. To go to La Defense :
- Today : 2 differents lines => 9 (12 stations) and then 1 (8 stations) => 38 minutes
- Tomorrow : 1 line => 15 (5 stations) => 15 minutes
I am planning visiting Paris in summer and I have always been amazed by European cities transport and planning, videos like this one help me to understand them even better and motivate my curiosity (and trip). I really love your content and hard work in making it! As latino I would also like to see more content from here and hope to see our cities more frequently in your videos, I specifically feel proud of Medellin system. Nice video and channel, greetings from Bogotá!
I don't think it's a good idea to visit Paris this summer..It ll be overcrowded and ridiculously expensive because of the Olympics plus full of grumpy-angry Parisians complaining (rightfully )for Paris being overcrowded and expensive..🤣
@@xcchrist8161 I had the opportunity and decided to take it (3 weeks before olympics)... it will still be a hard moment for my wallet hahaha
Gotta say - Super glad (and also envious hahaha) to see you get to visit these amazing projects! Best wishes
I live along the southern bit of the RER C line and didn't know much about the various new lines being constructed. This was really interesting, I might go take a look at la fabrique du métro!
Thank you for showcasing behind the scenes of the GPE project! Also What I do like about Paris is that they never stop when it comes to expanding the network around the capital:
From metro line automatization, to adding new tram lines, metro line extensions. Other cities should learn on this if they have the funds or any support from the government to promote such big projects like the GPE. Kudos to Paris
Thank you Reece and best wishes for a happy New Year!
Thank you Reece for another very informative and interesting video!
im a daily user of the arcueil cachan rer station and as a grew up so did my interest for transit related stuff, seeing you there now felt very cathartic ! Thank you for this video
this is so cool! I wish I knew about the fabrique du métro when I was in Paris earlier this year
Exciting! And at a reasonable cost!
I really like the platform screen doors. It will be easier to keep climate controlled on the platforms if the screens are as high as the construction ceiling. I would like to have these in my country, especially on outside platforms. At this moment you are exposed to all the elements, accept the rain because of the platform roofs. This will make waiting on platforms so much more pleasant.
Amazing content Reece. Im a longtime viewer and I'm so grateful that you've decided to put the effort into the chanel that it needed in order to be great. Keep up the great work!
So proud of my country !!!
Merci to you for bringing this to our screens.
Truely an epic project
Great video Reece!
The major extension of the (automated) line 14 south to Orly airport (and north to Saclay) is also a really big deal that will be a major plus both to Grand-Parisians and to visitors to the big town.
Awesome!
What an outstanding set of projects, the quality of the various structures is fantastic 👌👌👌👌
Great video!
Another fantastic video. One thing that was great is how you got into the details that Paris is using to make their newest rail lines efficient and future proofed. I ride and follow rail systems around the world and get a chance to talk to a lot of folks with a passion for rail. It amazes most of the folks I talk to how systems like those in California or New York (built and run by bloated bureaucracies) can be so inefficient, especially when there are world class systems that provide case studies on what contributes to their excellence. They continue to make common mistakes like not using automation. How do places like Los Angeles Metro, the California High Speed Railway and New York get away year after year with such high costs while delivering comparatively awful rail service? It'd be great if in a future video you could talk about how well run systems are built, run and funded - whether it be private or public - in a case study format. Keep up the great work!!
Super interressant, merci !
You're living every transit nerds dream! 😁
This is how you get people interested and excited about public transportation!
I just live at 2 stations of Arcueil Cachan on the RER B line. The line 15 will change a lot for southern Paris subburbs
Excellent......ça rappelle le REM (Réseau express métropolitain) de Montréal. Merci RM Transit pour une autre très bonne vidéo.
The Grand Paris Express has the merit of finally attracting RMTransit's attention to the high quality of public transportation in Paris but also more generally throughout France. One wonders why he mostly neglected it until now.
Being halfway across the world certainly doesn’t help
@@jdzl5 He lives in London...
@@JNSquire I though he was living in Canada 😅
@@JNSquire he doesn't.
@@cdrw92 he lives in Canada
Man I wish I saw you back when you filmed this video. You came within 1 km of where I live. I actually got the chance to visit one of the work sites of the gantry (which we call "lanceur" in French), unfortunately I couldn't go up on the bridge like you did.
In Québec we call it a "poutre de lancement". Lanceur is nice though!
A brilliant video each week is worth waiting for. Thanks for the love you put into your work. May 2024 be a further blessing in your life.😊
The station that's getting a major above-ground rework reminds me a little bit of a station under construction that I spotted via Google Earth. It's Hankyu's Awaji Station in Osaka, JP, where they're building a new station next to the old one in order to both be fully grade separated and give cross-platform interchanges using flyovers instead of forcing the lines to cross each other. The scale of the work involved is ludicrous, as the station is two stacked platforms with tracks splitting off to four directions.
I just discovered your channel today and the coincidence is amazing. I want to work in public transport and I'm strudying civil engineering at ESTP wich is the school at Arceuil Cachan you were close to ! I take the RER B everyday to go there and I see the daily evolution of the consrtruction of the ligne 15 metro. Overall great job on the video and funny coincidence !
Great video!
The M1 line in the Tel Aviv metro system will be 85 km long, and fully underground.
This is most likely the coolest thing I saw today
Canada needs High Speed rail in the Quebec City-Windsor Corridor.
Hopefully it won't be an epic fail like the UK London to Manchester HS Train.
We do need it, but Montreal Toronto should be the priority~
On the maps you are showing (which I find quite helpful to figure out where we are geographically) I wonder from where you get the overlay data from?
Neat! Bats!
Actually hoped to see my mother-in-law appear in your video, as she's one of the main architect project managers of La Fabrique!
Very well done video! You have a great eye for detail. Applause to the French for taking this seriously and planning for the future instead of just muddling along.
Proud 🇫🇷
This is really imoressive. I wish all of Europe would try to do something similar.
Here in Berlin we struggle to build anything for the U-Bahn.
The state owned company running the U-Bahn proposed a giant plan to expand the U-Bahn which would actually double the length of the network but everyone knows this won’t happen.
Unfortunately Germany takes ages to even start discussing important infrastructure projects.
I mean we have good network but it’s reaching its limits. It’s just frustrating to see our neighbors build such a masterpiece of rail infrastructure while we aren’t even ambitious enough to build more than some smaller line extensions.
That‘s true. Berlin is a great city to party and for culture but when it comes to infrastructure and service it is a disaster.
@@alexandervt641 I think disaster is too harsh. You can get almost everywhere in around one hour and especially the newer trains and the increased capacity in trains of the S-Bahn definitely made some things better. The newer part of U5 is also great but it’s definitely way worse than it could be.
Please also make a video of Tehran's underground network. It is one of the bests in kind.
You should do a deep dive video on how France is able to build these transit projects so cheaply, without cutting corners, and in a country with some of the highest labor costs in the world.
The answer is very simple. The French! (here the Parisians) They are no joke and keep their politicians on a tight leash especially when it's about spending their taxpayer money. Any project which doesn't make any sense budget wise like the HS2 in the UK would be cancelled in France and heads would roll. They follow everything, check everything and review everything. God forbid if one tries to con them. They either do things properly or they don't do them.
Then the French workers. Among the most productive in the world so how much labour costs isn't really an issue. And an infinite pool of skilled workers. My uncle is a civil engineer and worked on some lines of the Grand Paris. He told me that half the civil engineers in Paris work on the project.
France has a few very competent civil engineering contractors like Bourges, Vinci, etc. that are apparently capable of doing complex projects efficiently at reasonable cost.
We have a high labor cost indeed, but also one of the best workers efficiency in the world.
Thanks for this video! We get few deep inside looks like this one. @SocieteduGrandParis' videos are usually great but too short and not detailed on technical points (which could have nonetheless being used here for illustrative purposes like renderings, drone coverage of line 18 and construction of the crossing by the same line talked here)
Salut mon bada ! qui a dit que le web était un océan immense et anonyme ? les grands esprits se rencontrent à nouveau. Je ne sais pas quel est le lien entre le Grand Paris Express et Emmanuel Todd : la patriotisme peut-être... merci pour tes dernières vidéos de Manu (tu as certainement comme moi déjà dévoré son dernier opus...).
Every country has one or two things it excels in. Here in the Netherlands we are good with bicycle paths and everything water related, but the French are the rail champions. 200km of metro and the planning is that it should be finished in 2030.
well the project has been delayed several times. Financial problems of course, but also unexpected technical issues that are inevitable for such a large project. Building a 200 km railway network in a dense conurbation of more 10 M people is a challenge. The GPE will profoundly change Paris socially, culturally and economically. IN a sense, the GPE will create a new city as areas will be connected to each others and people will realize they live in the same city. For now, when we you live in the west suburb, cities in the north et east suburb, just 10 km away are like "terra incognita" unless you have to go there for professional reasons. I don't know whether it's the same in the Dutch Randstad
The GPE will completely reshape Paris and the entire region. Prices are already exploding near the stations, it's only a matter of years until everything is redeveloped around them, relieving pressure on historic Paris. I can't wait !
It has already happened. The Grand Paris Project that's not only the 4 new metro lines. Prices didn't skyrocket bar some towns but that's also for other reasons. They increased but steadily. Paris has been seeing its inhabitants leaving for the suburbs for the past 20 years already. That urban exodus was already there GPE or not.
Edmonton valley line is up and running have you checked it out yet?
I'm amazed to see how fast they are making this mega structure in Paris. Barcelonas L9 (may city ) has been under construction for 20 years, and it is dwarf compared to this.
That's because there was quite a long pause in the development of L9/L10 due to budgetary issues.
But in terms of real building time (minus the pauses), I think it is not that different from GPE. Tunnel building in Spain and Catalunya is very efficient.
L9/L10 is a great project with innovative techniques and great potential.
It's a bit like GPE, as it offers a cross-citly partially orbital line with automated trains.
I can't wait to go back to Barcelona and try the L9/L10 when it's completed, including the new train station (La Sagrera ?).
The thing in Paris is that they are building the project by cutting it in many different small parts that are built simultaneously.
They used more than 20 TBM's at the same time during the first phase of mass simultaneous digging, and there are hundreds of different building sites all over the urban area.
This summer 2023 they passed the 100+ kilometer milestone of new tunnels, with most TBM's digging between 2 and 6 kilometers during each run.
Then they extract the TBM and launch it from another entry point, and they end up with a huge distance of tunnels in a shorter time-frame.
The extremely strict (sometimes too strict) French tunnel safety laws require an emergency exit / entry shaft to the surface every 800 meters or less.
If you count roughly 180km of tunnels (out of 200+ km of new lines in total), it needs about 225 different exit points (180 000 meters divided by 800 meters = 225 exit points).
There are 68 new stations, let's say 60 of them are underground, that's still 165 emergency shafts (225 - 60 = 165).
So they used either a new station or one of the 165+ emergency exit shafts to launch or extract the TBM's and accelerate tunnel building by multiplying the number of simultaneous digging operations.
Currently : all of M14 extensions, the entire South section of M15, the entire Eastern section of M18 between the viaduct and Orly Airport, all of M16 and the South section of M17 from the split with M16 to the viaduct have been dug.
Now only the Eastern and Western sections of M15, the Northern section of M17 under CDG airport after the viaduct and the Western part of M16 between the viaduct and Versailles remain to be dug.
This second mass digging phase should begin in the coming months.
Right now, all TBM's are stopped and they should start digging the remaining sections when the preliminary works (utilities, etc.) will be finished in 2024 and 2025.
You should do an explaner of the basel S-bahn whitch is an 3 national s-bahn😃!
You should do something similar about Toulouse metro third line. This is only one line, but it is the same magnitude as line 18 for instance.
My city❤️
I need to know more about these pads. Like presumably they have some way to structurally isolate trains from future homes for vibration/ noise.
I'd guess the rails are laid on an insulating layer made of rubber or something... Note that the old school train vibration is not really the norm nowadays! When rails are continuously welded and wheels aren't worn out, there inherently isn't that much clanking in the first place.
Just to put things into perspectives in how huge that project is : in about 10 minutes of video, RMTransit talked about 3 of the new stations. If he wanted to talk about the entirety of the new stations at this rythm, it would take him 4 hours to go through all the stations, with 3.3mn per station (that’s 72 stations). Also, the grand Paris is aiming, in about 15-20 years, to double the metro track distances which took an entire century to build.
I really think it looks good, im french and honestly im proud of how it looks but what im a little bit worried about is how it’s goin to age, that white concrete in that paris weather is going to be green and gross in 10 years if they don’t do anything about it, which i feel like is often the case … still great project
4:59 The aquaduct stills provide Paris from water. (This aquaduct is built on the Roman one ) Roman aquaduct parts are stil visible and recognisable
These stations have a crossrail vibe to them, in that they're massive engineering projects, not too dissimilar in design
I saw the guideway hopper on the west side of the REM in Montreal. With a tunnel, you just keep patching it I suppose. Future replacement of an elevated guideway may been going over or beneath, I'm guessing.
For information, the huge machine used to build the bridge has been bought by the compagny in which I work for the construction of the metro of Toulouse
I hope this will really improve hte flow of transit, the biggest issue working in Paris right now is the commute, soooo many people through the main hubs. The full line 15 will be a blessing being able to avoid going through Paris alltogether
Fantastic video of the Grand Paris Express!
Glad you enjoyed it
Yes, France is the leader in Europe by building public transport, and they also build very beautiful (In my opinion)
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@@agagnechMaybe both
I love these videos but they also make me kinda depressed seeing what they have vs our clownshow in Toronto
Can you make a video about polish cities? We have a lot of tram nets which can be pretty interesting! I suggest Cracow or Gdańsk (including SKA trains)