Video idea: max out a 6.2 truck then put the same load behind a 7.3 for a mash up review. Is the engine "worth it" Edit: Upvote so TFL sees that we want them to do this mashup review
Justin Wells that’s cool, I get 23.7 highway and ave 18 city on my 2020 6.7, wait till I hit 1000 miles. It will get better and it’s winter. Ford killed it this year with trucks
Not particularly good at all but thats a product of what it is. No cylinder de-act, no active ride height, no active aero and no real effort towards mpg at all. Unloaded there is probably another 5mpg in that thing if some intelligence was applied but people would rather pay for a bigger touchscreen than something which would make a useful difference.
Scott I knew that, Diesels are more efficient and robust, this makes them the better choice for folks who tow. Gas engines aren’t nearly as efficient and they have to rev higher to stay in the peak torque. I’ve driven Semis, Dump trucks, Vac trucks, straight trucks. Most were Diesels one was a Chevy straight truck with a gas V8 and it felt like could blow at any moment +horrible mileage. When I drove my semi over the road I was able to tap into the low teens at one point, very lightly loaded and babying it. That was with a Detroit dd15 and anything over 10mpg is excellent imo, though nearly impossible to achieve with a 15 liter six cylinder semi engine and only 13 speeds.
@@EricFortuneJr. yeah this is JUNK , by that standard it will ONLY cost LOL $9,600 dollars @ 3800 Gallons of cheap gas, @ $2.50 per gallon "IF" all miles were highway miles, to drive this truck 50,000 miles, figured W/ avg 13 mpg (at best) that it WILL get. That's ONLY!! lol $4800 per year!! 25k miles to drive this truck hauling only AIR, Now let's contrast that with an Ecodiesel AVG'ed @ 25 miles per gallon of the 30 it gets on highway, divided by 50000 miles ='s 2000 gallons of Diesel compared to 3800!!.... and the Ecodiesel will far out- tow, So yeah.... NO, to the 7.3 good job Fraud doing what you do best Defying Logic....
Scott Well you can’t really compare large displacement gas V8 3/4 ton truck to a small displacement Diesel V6 1/2 ton truck with Eco in the name (Godzilla vs Ecodiesel)? Especially in terms of fuel economy. A gas powered 3/4 ton truck really isn’t meant to do the daily work of a diesel truck, it’s a better alternative for someone who wants a truck but doesn’t necessarily tow on a regular or even drive it every day. Different trucks are intended to meet different needs. If you only use it to carry your boat on the weekends or your camper a few times a year then the gas mileage won’t be much of a factor (for some). If you do daily drive it but only commute 1.5 miles to work (like I do) then mpg most certainly isn’t an issue. It’s just a simpler cheaper purchase option to a diesel engine.
@@EricFortuneJr. the Ecodiesel trimmed like this is about $38,000 you were saying cheaper alternative???? confused is there an alternative to more power longevity and cheaper operating costs???
Think about this... there are half tons that get worse gas mileage. That’s impressive for such a large truck with 4.30s. With the 10 speed transmission I think it really makes 4.30 gears more worth while of a purchase for most people. 1mpg average less could even be from variables like wind or user input. So really at 1mpg I call it about the same. So with the 10 speed you get the benefit of using 4.30s for towing while the 10spd makes up the difference on the highway when you’re not towing to keep fuel mileage the same as other rear ends. Can’t beat that!
EXACTLY. Insanely scalable performance. You have the gearing to move massive loads(up to 20k) and the overdrives to save fuel between jobs. Add in extremely nice interiors (lariat+) and you have a truck that makes the money during the day and can still take the family out in the evening.
EGGINFOOLS tundra gets garbage for gas mileage. The fact that it’s even close is embarrassing. This is what a 7k lbs truck? 15 is very very impressive with such a big motor and 4.30s.
That's about 0.5 MPG better than my 2019, 6.7, F350 dually gets with a 3:55 rear end. The drive from ABQ to Denver is all above 5,000 feet altitude with lots uphill sections, so that's really good mileage for a 4:30 rear end.
@effinghamhick exactly, even with only a 6spd my 2013 F250 6.2L with 3.73s was absolutely fine. Would walk up the N. GA mtns with 2 tons of gravel in the bed like nothing. Lighter aluminum body, 10sp, a 7.3L...4.30s shouldn't be needed unless you're gonna run 37+" tires on it or have a dually hauling 7800+lbs in it.
I drive a 2018 Ford F-250 6.2 V8 single cab 2wd with a tool bed on the back loaded with tools (I am a mobile diesel mechanic) and I average 14 MPG city and highway combined. If I go on long drives the best I got was 17.5 MPG in a 600 mile loop. When I idle a lot due the truck running for A/C or heat it goes down to an average of 10 MPG TO 12 MPG.
Suffice to say that the big 3 are no longer making their trucks for the average guy that needs a truck. They're making them for doctors and lawyers and SEMA fuckboys
@@truckcampertraveler7369 yeah except wages haven't kept up with inflation lol. And the truck market has definitely seen some artificial inflation way past market average
Ive stretched 14 mpg out of my 78 F150 Ranger with C6 2.75s and 35s on the rear behind a properly built 460 with 9.77 to 1 compression and a 600 Holley The 66 F100 in my Avatar ^^^ with a 352 FE 435np 2.75s and 265-75-16s ive got 16 avg 18 high My 72 F100 proper built 10 to 1 390 C6 2.75s and 35s All of them 2wd, all of them tuned for the task, all of them in Kansas at 800-900' all of them logged on repeatable This 7.3 10 speed should blow my junk out of the water and get better mpg like 20+ territory
MUCH better. 4.30 will allow 9th or 10th while towing. Because it will be able to load up at a lower RPM fuel economy should improve (idea being gearing is allowing the engine to run at a lower load)
@@evictioncarpentry2628 on 1st and 2nd generation overdrive transmissions, yes. With modern tow haul you can do it just fine. The powertrain is designed to and has protections in place to prevent damage. (Engine load sensors, torque input sensors, trans input and output speed sensors looking for clutch pack slipping, etc) Can you imagine a f450 locked in 7th gear towing at 70 (it would be approaching fuel cutoff)
Somehow no one mentions this fact when talking about the Tundra, which also uses a 4.30 rear end. No other half ton offers is, and its standard on the Tundra. Might get a mpg less real world but this is why. Also has no gimmicks to try and squeeze out a bit extra at the expense of a more complex and costly to fix set up.
As an owner of a 6.0 diesel that I still have, I recorded a back to back trip of 21 mpg loaded and 23.5 empty fuel mileage. The trick here is the speed that you are going. My speed was 95 klicks per / hr @ 3.73 ratio gearing. Ford and the other manufacturers need to stop with the big HP motor and get back to high return mileage trucks.
In 1998 i bought a new Dodge V10, 8.0 L, 488 CU IN., 2500 HD, 4X4, on the Hwy i got 15 mpg. So in 22 years with their 10 speed trans. with 3 overdrive ratio's 8, 9, 10 All their computers and sensors driving the price up they have improved mpg 0.
And the 98 Dodge didn't have all of the pollution controls required today and probably didn't weigh as much. Get a grip on reality. My 1971 Bronco with a 302 got 15.1 MPG average - and I thought that was really good. That truck weighed 3200 pounds, had 200 HP with zero pollution controls compared to probably 7,000 pounds for the F350. That's really good mileage for a crew cab with a 4:30 rear end and 445 cubic inch motor.
My 96 Ram 3500 DRW 2WD with the V10 has never recorded an MPG number higher than 13 (usually 11 or 12 when empty). It gets 7 when towing my 9500lb 5th wheel RV. I'd really love to see what this 7.3L would get when pulling my RV. Double-digit mpg while towing would make me all kinds of happy. It's too bad I'd have to spend $50K to upgrade just to get better MPG.
@@buckhorncortez Yes, emissions controls waste a ton of gas. They have to keep the cats hot to burn shit off. Just look at your 02 sensor waveform. It is a big tradeoff.
I thought the Ford would stay the same or improve on hwy mpg with 4.30 because of the extra gears. Still losing less than 1 mpg while gaining towing/load capacity and improving acceleration seems worth it. The 4wd up front isn’t helping mpg and I bet a 2wd version would do much better and the high curb weight doesn’t help, yet still the Ford did ok.
You don’t know the terrain at all. It’s all high elevation driving with plenty of hills. Raton pass is driving to the top of the mountain and coming down. Great fuel mileage for that heavy of a truck with the type of terrain.
@@Weatherby406 We were advised to avoid 4wd in our work veh’s by industry contractors who said heavy trailers provide excellent traction in snowy or slippery conditions. They were right as we mostly towed. My personal truck had 4wd as I drove it frequently unladen.
I have a 99 f350 7.3 diesel I'm considering this truck because no injectors no glow plugs less filters ,less oil at changes but seems same power and York maybe more
I’m in the same boat but I’ll be replacing a 00 v10 f250 ccsb. I’m a fleet mechanic and we’ve replaced all of our 1 ton and down trucks with gassers for lower maintenance expenses.
Yah my old 86 IDI got 17 on a 300 mile trip with 4 speeds BUT it was at 65 most of the time and nowhere near as capable as this truck. And it's only a 2WD. It's also kind of miserable after like 80 miles. 😏
In 1978 I put a 1970 Lincoln 460 (365 gross hp, 500 ft/lbs of torque) in a 1968 F-250 using the later 1973(?) 460 motor mount towers and a truck manifold on the right side. It had a C6 3 speed automatic and a 3.73 rear end. The speed limit was still 55, but at 60 on a long trip it consistently got 13.7 MPG.
Great video, thanks Andre. This drive was done during cold weather (denser air than summer air), so I'll bet you would have about .5-1.0mpg better results in the summer on the same route. Second, while your highway route was relatively flat, your TFL Mpg highway loop is REALLY flat, so the mpg might be better there. Third, setting speed at 70mph vs. 75mph is a huge difference when comparing the amount of air a vehicle is pushing. Fourth, it would be interesting to see if Premium fuel would get better mileage. Here on the East Coast we have 93 octane, and I have noticed fuel mileage increases on that change alone (it allows the transmission to "lug" a certain gear longer, hence keeping RPMs down and fuel usage slightly down). Thanks for doing these kinds of test between different engine and gear combinations, the EPA and most other media avoid this important type of vehicle information.
Especially since there are places between Flagstaff and Albuquerque that have some pretty steep inclines. In addition, there are places between Albuquerque and Colorado Springs that have relatively steep inclines as well.
I did some math. At today's gas/diesel prices if a gas F250 got 10mpg and a diesel F250 got 20mpg it would still take ~130,000 miles to pay for the powerstroke upgrade (8500$). My math didn't include DEF or oil changes.
Yup....i laugh Everytime someone asks what the mpg are Everytime they are thinking about purchasing....or asking what the affect like lifting it or putting monster tires in it....😂😂😂
I had a 2000 ford excursion with a v10 with 3.73s 2wd and it got about 16mpg on the hwy. I towed an 8000lb camper with it often. Eventually the rear axle needed a rebuild so I had 4.30s put in, it really woke up that engine and I lost about 1.5 mpg on the highway (empty) surprisingly city mpg got better and towing seemed to be unaffected.
So basically, no improvement over the 6.2 with a 6 speed. I was really hoping that the 10 speed transmission would improve fuel economy on our fleet trucks. We would run the 4.30 gears with level kits and 35" tires, so right back the mileage as the 6.2's. Maybe the transmission logic will adjust as you get more miles on the truck.
Wow what a great engine?? NOT, by that standard it will ONLY cost LOL $9,600 dollars @ 3800 Gallons of cheap gas, @ $2.50 per gallon "IF" all miles were highway miles, to drive this truck 50,000 miles, W/ avg 13 mpg (at best) that it WILL get. That's ONLY $4800 per year!! 25k miles to drive this truck hauling only AIR, Now lets contrast that with an Ecodiesel AVG'ed @ 25 miles per gallon of the 30 it gets on highway, divided by 50000 miles ='s 2000 gallons of Diesel compared to 3800!!.... and the Ecodiesel will far out- tow, So yeah.... NO, to the 7.3 good job Fraud doing what you do best Defying Logic....
I am surprised that the 10 speed transmission did not elevate the MPG. i have a 18 Ram 6.4 hemi with 4.10 gears and the old 6 speed. On a highway run like this I get just over 16.5 mpg. I will say that my MPG is very contingent on the temperature outside though. In colder temps the MPG does suffer. The last highway run I did similar to this was in about 35-40 degrees traveling over 70 mph and was still able to hit the 16.5 avg. In warmer conditions the fuel economy on the highway will easily go over 17.
Well considering that the old 460 gas that they used to put in F250's and F350's got around 8-10 empty and less than 8mpg loaded that is pretty good. Especially when you factor in how much smaller those trucks were. I've got a 1994 F250 supercab diesel and the title says right around 4700lbs plus or minus 50lbs (I want to say 4676lbs as it has been awhile since I looked at it) for curb weight and it got around 17mpg.
I really don't think that's horrible considering its brand new and the mileage will probably get better with break in. I only average 14.5 from Dallas to Carlsbad,NM. With 17 f-350 srw and 3.73 gears driving the speed limit so imo I would be interested in that combo in a year or 2 after some real world testing! I don't buy a truck for fuel mileage so to me it's going to be what ever it is but I also remember my old 78 Ford 400 modified only getting around 8mpg lol 😂. If the new combo holds up like 6.2 and 6 speed I would be happy with those results!
I have the same 2020 f250 crew cab 4x4 but with the diesel and 3.55 rear end (65-70 mph)- 22.4 mpg on the highway. Pulling my 10,000 lb 5th wheel on highway (62-65 mph)- 12.2 mpg
Speed limit on I-25 in NM is 75 for the most part, I’d say the real world speed is closer to 80-85 through these parts, wide open roads, wide open throttle. Hammer down and let’s see that Ford go!
I find the gearing difference to be very interesting. Ten years ago when we had transmissions with only four or five gears, the mileage difference would be significant. But now with all of the extra over-drive gears, you can drive the speed you want without a major drop in mileage.
I'd even go to a lower numerical axle ratio since you have a 4x4. Why? The transfer case has 4 LOW that you can use in that rare time that you'd need startability on a steep slope. You'd get even better fuel mileage with something like a 3.22 ratio and with the 4 LOW as safety you still have startability on steep slopes.
I really want to see how the 6.2 super duty does with the 10 speed trans. Towing, and mpg loaded/unloaded. I don't think the 7.3 will be worth it, but that is my speculation.
@@denverbasshead I'm not talking about Diesel. I'm talking about gas to gas heads up comparison maxed out on weight and empty. Nobody needs a diesel unless you are in F450+ territory. Diesel is just if you want to show off, of get somewhere FAST with a lot of weight.
Just bought a 2020. Super cab short bed 4x4 with the 7.3 and a 3.55 rear end. Around town I am getting around 12-13 around town and 17 on the highway down here in Houston. Just for comparison.
Should try it again with that big goofy front plastic air dam removed and see if it actually makes a difference in mpg, I hate the look of those things and it makes the truck loose so much ground clearance in the front.
High Octane I can’t speak for this f250 but I took the air dam off my f150 and don’t notice any difference in my mileage. My 5.0 was getting 24-25 on the freeway on long trips and still averages 19-20. I did see somewhere they remove easy for places that get tons of snow.
@@jeffreyrogers8151 Well that's a little crazy because a dually is a hassle to drive and F450 rides rough. Also, Limited = Platinum w/ Ultimate Package and Diesel. There are no options Limited has that Platinum doesn't except that white interior that I am not a fan of
I would have that truck like it is with 4:10 gears. And the mpg will get better as it gets more miles on it. My 18 coyote got 16.7 new in summertime and now I get around 18.4 with 20,000 on the clock. Winter is not as good with fuel additives they put in as antifreeze. Plus it isles longer on cold days.
Hey guys. Please compare the Chevy 6.6 gas and the ford 7.3 in a real world towing comparison test. I-gauntlet and maybe a loaded up o-60 test. PLEASE IM SHOPPING!
Two things to point out. #1 traveling in a colder climate. In most cases will lower fuel mileage. #2 I notice his speeds 75 mph area. Again, at least with trying to push a big boxy truck down the highway, your going to have lower MPG's. I would have to bet, both of those factors alone are knocking 2 mpg off.
Just made a trip from boulder to Las Vegas NM. That leg of the trip I got 18.05 on my 16 f350 cclb 4x4 6.7. Had a 15+ mph headwind too. The mpg monitor on my truck is way off from the hand calculation.
People are KILLING me talking about their diesel engine talk. Who cares. This is exactly as you mentioned. About an alternative to diesel and all its inherit problems for fleet and hot shot drivers.
I noticed you were doing interstate speed in Eco mode. I have a 2018 F150 4x4 2.7 Ecoboost with 10 speed. I found out early on it gets worse mileage in Eco mode above 55 MPH. Eco mode is supposed to be used in town to give better economy in stop and go driving. Like that wonderful start stop mode I disabled after 1 week.
@@GTOGregory he has to be idling his truck excessively or by city driving he's talking residential streets with stops at every block. Either way a 7.3L will get worse MPG in the same driving route. Laws of physics.... gas engines all need to maintain the same 14.7:1 air fuel ratio and the larger the displacement will always require more fuel in all driving scenarios.
@@hogrod Nope. I let it warm up for a minute before I leave. I have a 3 mile drive to work. Zero traffic (I start wok at 4a.m.) and it's a straight shot, 40 mph, only one stop sign. I bought the truck brand new. It's always been a gas hog. I love the truck, but it's hard to consider those mpg's as being acceptable.
@@Eyore82 its the short drive that's bring down your MPG. Your engine is always running rich because it's not up to operating temperatures. Your route is a worst case scenario for even a fuel efficient 40mpg economy car, probably would average less than half that.
@@Eyore82 yeah man, you should definitely be seeing higher numbers on the norm but since you aren't it's definitely your drive. The 7.3 would be lower than your 6.0 for sure. TFL did the new 6.6 Chevy on the same loop as the Ford 7.3 (3.55) and while unloaded the Chevy was 1mpg better and nearly 2mpg better than the Ford, same trailer, with nearly 3,000 extra lbs.
Two things. 1. Their mpg figures will most likely be higher then most people will ever get for two reasons. One reason is they are at elevations where the air is thinner so less air resistance and less air for the motor to mix with fuel to burn resulting in better mpg figures. 2. If you want to measure mpg most accurately, fill the fuel all the way to the rim everytime w/the fuel pump on to ensure all fuel passageways are full of fuel. There's an app name "Simply Auto" to input your current driving/riding numbers into when toping off to get your actual mpg numbers. If you fill to the rim Everytime, you get the most accurate results Everytime. Now I know there are people out there who feel that is harmful and you are entitled to your own opinion. I have 5 vehicles, one of them I've owned for 14yrs and it has been topped off to the rim since day one. I've never on any of my rides had any issues with anything relative to filling up to the rim. Filling up to the rim also gives me more range per fill-up. Most of my vehicles (except my bike and CRV) seem to take just about 2gallons more fuel after the nozzle stops on its own. One of my cars get 44-46mpg which gives me an extra 90miles per fill-up. I can go into a whole story about this type of stuff in details with my last 25+yrs of this method of filling up to achieve the most accurate results of how many mpg I am actually getting, but that's my input on these figures the TFL crew will get vs yours. P.S. if you live in higher altitudes then their testing routes (which would be cool if you guys listed your altitude operating elevations at TFL), you'll most likely see even higher mpg figures of you drive accordingly. O....one more thing. I have some seat time in a 18' F350 diesel and noticed 1-2mpg higher cruising at 75-80mph then I did at 65-70mph @ 1020-1140ft elevation on a rolling hills route for a 95-100mile distance. I have lots and lots of information. I love this shit!
Love my Prius. 50-60 plus mpg is a great feature. My 6.0 f350 has gotten over 20 mpg on a few occasions. The right tool for the right job makes all the difference
They bought their own. They don't have to wait. I'm sure they were being thoughtful though and waiting for the other journalist with the exception that they get to announce first.
lmao.....seems like too many want a god Damned living room in their truck..😂😂😂😂.....NO THANKS....standard interior is where it's at....no flipping heated steering wheel, seats, carpet or infotainment system....🙄🙄🙄🙄 I want a truck not a parade float ...
@@jesusgomez14163 He probably wants Rams overdone interior. I'm aways hearing so many complaining about how Ford's interior is not as good as Rams. I saw Rams interior. It does not look like a trucks interior.
I just get the feeling that this really is Ford's "Sleeper of the Year" winner. Unless you're a Ford Crazed Fool...which is not a bad thing, you won't understand just what this "Baby-460" is made for and made Of, and finally what it is intended for. Ultimate work truck motor with Steps that really do Stomp.
@@retiredafce3373 From what I understand it is rather narrow in comparison to a Coyote, so 600+ for a Fox Body is actually an easy task. *I guess it really isn't meant for that racing shit. This is for heavy duty work.
The 3.55 in your video did 15.05 (you rounded to 15.1) not the 15.5 you state in this video. So about .5 mpg difference between the two different axle ratios
hard to compare a loop with almost no elevation change to a one way trip where they have more elevation change so thats why it took one mpg more...plus add in different atmospheric conditions makes them about the same id say
@@josophschmo1585 Il help you by that standard it will ONLY cost LOL $9,600 dollars @ 3800 Gallons of cheap gas, @ $2.50 per gallon "IF" all miles were highway miles, to drive this truck 50,000 miles, W/ avg 13 mpg (at best) that it WILL get. That's ONLY $4800 per year!! 25k miles to drive this truck hauling only AIR, Now lets contrast that with an Ecodiesel AVG'ed @ 25 miles per gallon of the 30 it gets on highway, divided by 50000 miles ='s 2000 gallons of Diesel compared to 3800!!.... and the Ecodiesel will far out- tow, So yeah.... NO, to the 7.3 good job Fraud doing what you do best Defying Logic....
It helped enough to neutralize it, it's a bigger engine with more horsepower and more torque and it still gets about the same miles per gallon as the 6.2 l. So I would say it is doing its job.
Where do you get that idea from? My 2019 F350 with a 6.7, 6-speed, and 3:55 rear end got 14.2 from Denver to ABQ. So a gas motor with a 4:30 rear end got better mileage than a diesel with a 3:55 rear end. You figure maybe the transmission might account for some of the difference?
Andre, I wish you guys, when doing fuel economy tests that you would tell us what the RPM's are at Hwy speeds with whatever vehicle you are testing.....Thanks Steve
I get about the same with my 07 F250 with a 5.4L, so this could be considered a vast improvement, considering a 7.3L is a much larger engine. BTW, fuel mileage is a whole lot easier to calculate if you round the gallons off at the pump, we're not splitting hairs here lol.
My Tundra with the 5.7 and 4.30 rear end averages the same... It's max tow is 9k though... But I got it used for 22k ha... I'll take this Ford in 5 years
Video idea:
max out a 6.2 truck then put the same load behind a 7.3 for a mash up review. Is the engine "worth it"
Edit: Upvote so TFL sees that we want them to do this mashup review
Now this is a video I would watch
Dave 2019 while you are at it, ban mentions of any GM component.
Did somebody mention a Chevy!!!?
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15-16 mpg on the highway is respectable for an almost 7000 pound pickup with 7.3 liters under the hood
Justin Wells that’s cool, I get 23.7 highway and ave 18 city on my 2020 6.7, wait till I hit 1000 miles. It will get better and it’s winter. Ford killed it this year with trucks
Not particularly good at all but thats a product of what it is. No cylinder de-act, no active ride height, no active aero and no real effort towards mpg at all.
Unloaded there is probably another 5mpg in that thing if some intelligence was applied but people would rather pay for a bigger touchscreen than something which would make a useful difference.
Justin Wells - and 4.30 rear gears
@@FordF-Super No, no you don't.
@@FordF-Super if you have EGR in tact, there's no way in hell
Don't forget to make a left turn at Albuquerque
The land of entrapment
Haha. Bugs always seemed to forget
Okay, Bugs.
Bugs ALWAYS forgot!
Sad I can still remember the Bugs Bunny episodes but not where I left my car keys.
I have the same truck and after 814 miles I am getting 14.3 MPG. Half in town stop and go, interstate highway other half. It is an awesome truck!
You stayed the night in Albuquerque??? Man you’re lucky to walk out of your hotel and find the truck still there!!!!!
Dude, I used to live in Gallup. The literal anus of NM.
A 430hp 7.3 V8 HD pickup that gets 15mpg is actually good, especially for a gas V8.
any 5.9 cummins weights more gets 23 mpg on the highway ...you knew that??
Scott I knew that, Diesels are more efficient and robust, this makes them the better choice for folks who tow. Gas engines aren’t nearly as efficient and they have to rev higher to stay in the peak torque. I’ve driven Semis, Dump trucks, Vac trucks, straight trucks. Most were Diesels one was a Chevy straight truck with a gas V8 and it felt like could blow at any moment +horrible mileage. When I drove my semi over the road I was able to tap into the low teens at one point, very lightly loaded and babying it. That was with a Detroit dd15 and anything over 10mpg is excellent imo, though nearly impossible to achieve with a 15 liter six cylinder semi engine and only 13 speeds.
@@EricFortuneJr. yeah this is JUNK , by that standard it will ONLY cost LOL $9,600 dollars @ 3800 Gallons of cheap gas, @ $2.50 per gallon "IF" all miles were highway miles, to drive this truck 50,000 miles, figured W/ avg 13 mpg (at best) that it WILL get. That's ONLY!! lol $4800 per year!! 25k miles to drive this truck hauling only AIR, Now let's contrast that with an Ecodiesel AVG'ed @ 25 miles per gallon of the 30 it gets on highway, divided by 50000 miles ='s 2000 gallons of Diesel compared to 3800!!.... and the Ecodiesel will far out- tow, So yeah.... NO, to the 7.3 good job Fraud doing what you do best Defying Logic....
Scott Well you can’t really compare large displacement gas V8 3/4 ton truck to a small displacement Diesel V6 1/2 ton truck with Eco in the name (Godzilla vs Ecodiesel)? Especially in terms of fuel economy. A gas powered 3/4 ton truck really isn’t meant to do the daily work of a diesel truck, it’s a better alternative for someone who wants a truck but doesn’t necessarily tow on a regular or even drive it every day. Different trucks are intended to meet different needs. If you only use it to carry your boat on the weekends or your camper a few times a year then the gas mileage won’t be much of a factor (for some). If you do daily drive it but only commute 1.5 miles to work (like I do) then mpg most certainly isn’t an issue. It’s just a simpler cheaper purchase option to a diesel engine.
@@EricFortuneJr. the Ecodiesel trimmed like this is about $38,000 you were saying cheaper alternative???? confused is there an alternative to more power longevity and cheaper operating costs???
15.1* with the 3.55. I just watched it. So basically 0.5mpg. Absolutely negligible at best. Very cool reviews. Thank you all
DUDE FOR A 15 MPG FOR THAT SIZE OF VEHICLE IS NOT BAD AT ALL. I DROVE A TRUCK HALF THE SIZE AND I GET 15.3 THAT WASNT BAD FOR A V8
Think about this... there are half tons that get worse gas mileage. That’s impressive for such a large truck with 4.30s. With the 10 speed transmission I think it really makes 4.30 gears more worth while of a purchase for most people. 1mpg average less could even be from variables like wind or user input. So really at 1mpg I call it about the same. So with the 10 speed you get the benefit of using 4.30s for towing while the 10spd makes up the difference on the highway when you’re not towing to keep fuel mileage the same as other rear ends. Can’t beat that!
EXACTLY. Insanely scalable performance. You have the gearing to move massive loads(up to 20k) and the overdrives to save fuel between jobs.
Add in extremely nice interiors (lariat+) and you have a truck that makes the money during the day and can still take the family out in the evening.
@@KoolCordell If I had kids, them mofos would get the XL washout interior trim. They can spill ice cream and it wouldn't be a big deal. Lol.
Name a new half ton that gets worse in these same conditions!
@@EGGINFOOLS Tundra.
EGGINFOOLS tundra gets garbage for gas mileage. The fact that it’s even close is embarrassing. This is what a 7k lbs truck? 15 is very very impressive with such a big motor and 4.30s.
Please run the MPG towing loop with this truck/Cimmaron trailer to see how it compares to the 7.3 with 3.55 gears.
That's what SMART real world buyers would get. Nice
This is the 7.3
So, I have an old 2007 Expedition and it gets about 12.5 mpg around town and 15 mpg+ on the freeway. Great to see that mileage. Thank for the vid.
02 f250 crew cab 8'bed 5.4 with 380k ... 13.2 mph city average ... wish i had one of those new versions of what i have now diesel or gas
My expedition got 18 mpg lifted too but only ran 65 mph.
My 2010 5.4 3v f150 gets 19.6 mpg at 65 mph lifted 4 inches
That's about 0.5 MPG better than my 2019, 6.7, F350 dually gets with a 3:55 rear end. The drive from ABQ to Denver is all above 5,000 feet altitude with lots uphill sections, so that's really good mileage for a 4:30 rear end.
Why is your dually getting worse millage than a big block gasoline v8? Are F250's that much lighter?
@@erikkovacs3097 bigger and heavier
Yup and he is doing 75 for a lot of it. Every time it seemed he showed the dash he was flying. If you want to do a mpg test set it at 60.
@@hondarideralex nobody drives 60 anywhere. Interstates are 70 to 80 mph.
Ouch, my lbz got 18 mpg at 80 mph over 5 hours
I would take the lower gears for a 1mpg loss.....
Me too
@effinghamhick exactly, even with only a 6spd my 2013 F250 6.2L with 3.73s was absolutely fine. Would walk up the N. GA mtns with 2 tons of gravel in the bed like nothing. Lighter aluminum body, 10sp, a 7.3L...4.30s shouldn't be needed unless you're gonna run 37+" tires on it or have a dually hauling 7800+lbs in it.
Same...4.30s and big block ford sounds like all the truck I’d need
of course you would fan boi said the guy with a 6.7 cummins gets 20 mpg at 80 MPg all day 22 at 70mph i hope you buy one
@effinghamhick this truck cost $4800 per year to drive 25,000 miles EMPTY that's good deal LOL
Thank you, Andry for your due diligence.
You guys are awesome thank you for being so thorough and checking out so many different avenues and doing real world comparisons
LOVE IT!! thanks for considering the differential!!! SO often overlooked....
Not bad fuel mileage for a HD with the 4.30 hearing. That is what I get in the city with my diesel and have 3.73 gear. Thanks Andre for the review.
Richard West Thank you for being you Richard,,
@@jamescameron204 Thanks
For us using km and liters:
Trip was 1291.33 km
Fuel usage 208.14 Liters
Average fuel consumption 16.12 liters per 100 kilometers
Great video and thanks for the mpg numbers. Look forward to the towing videos!!
I drive a 2018 Ford F-250 6.2 V8 single cab 2wd with a tool bed on the back loaded with tools (I am a mobile diesel mechanic) and I average 14 MPG city and highway combined. If I go on long drives the best I got was 17.5 MPG in a 600 mile loop. When I idle a lot due the truck running for A/C or heat it goes down to an average of 10 MPG TO 12 MPG.
This will be really usefull information for me in about 12-15 years when I will be able to afford this actual truck....
Yean no kidding... base models now cost more than top trim 10 years ago. Couldn't afford a king ranch then and I can't afford an xlt now😒
Suffice to say that the big 3 are no longer making their trucks for the average guy that needs a truck. They're making them for doctors and lawyers and SEMA fuckboys
@@Hugh_Jarsole SOUNDS LIKE YOU BOYS NEED TO GET A BETTER JOB THE PRICE IS THE SAME AS 20 YEARS AGO AFTER INFLATION !
@@truckcampertraveler7369 yeah except wages haven't kept up with inflation lol. And the truck market has definitely seen some artificial inflation way past market average
@@Hugh_Jarsole my wages have
I would like to put this engine and trans into a 70s half ton truck.
Nate Young why
I love the body style of the older trucks and it would look awesome with this combo. Resto mod for the win.
Just zip tie the body panels to a new chassis. It'd be easier.
Also a truck that old only weighs around 3500-4000 lbs.
Ive stretched 14 mpg out of my 78 F150 Ranger with C6 2.75s and 35s on the rear behind a properly built 460 with 9.77 to 1 compression and a 600 Holley
The 66 F100 in my Avatar ^^^ with a 352 FE 435np 2.75s and 265-75-16s ive got 16 avg 18 high
My 72 F100 proper built 10 to 1 390 C6 2.75s and 35s
All of them 2wd, all of them tuned for the task, all of them in Kansas at 800-900' all of them logged on repeatable
This 7.3 10 speed should blow my junk out of the water and get better mpg like 20+ territory
Thats actually a decent mpg for a 3/4 ton truck 4x4.
My prediction before watching:
The 3.55 will get better mileage unloaded.
The 4.30 will do better when pulling a load.
MUCH better. 4.30 will allow 9th or 10th while towing. Because it will be able to load up at a lower RPM fuel economy should improve (idea being gearing is allowing the engine to run at a lower load)
@@KoolCordell you're not supposed to tow in OD gears anyway. I always lock mine out to whichever the direct drive gear is.
@@evictioncarpentry2628 on 1st and 2nd generation overdrive transmissions, yes.
With modern tow haul you can do it just fine. The powertrain is designed to and has protections in place to prevent damage. (Engine load sensors, torque input sensors, trans input and output speed sensors looking for clutch pack slipping, etc)
Can you imagine a f450 locked in 7th gear towing at 70 (it would be approaching fuel cutoff)
KoolCordell But 7th is 1:1 and the fuel pump is electric and the computer would tell it to send more fuel.
Somehow no one mentions this fact when talking about the Tundra, which also uses a 4.30 rear end. No other half ton offers is, and its standard on the Tundra. Might get a mpg less real world but this is why. Also has no gimmicks to try and squeeze out a bit extra at the expense of a more complex and costly to fix set up.
@Phillip Aubin yeah those pesky overhead cans. But seriously, dohc is extremely reliable, especially in a Toyota.
except its a half ton truck..
As an owner of a 6.0 diesel that I still have, I recorded a back to back trip of 21 mpg loaded and 23.5 empty fuel mileage. The trick here is the speed that you are going. My speed was 95 klicks per / hr @ 3.73 ratio gearing. Ford and the other manufacturers need to stop with the big HP motor and get back to high return mileage trucks.
He is doing like 130kph. That kills mileage. My 8.1 at 80 is lucky to hit double digits unloaded and I weigh half a ton less.
In 1998 i bought a new Dodge V10, 8.0 L, 488 CU IN., 2500 HD, 4X4, on the Hwy i got 15 mpg. So in 22 years with their 10 speed trans. with 3 overdrive ratio's 8, 9, 10 All their computers and sensors driving the price up they have improved mpg 0.
That's damn impressive. Everyone. I knew never got better then 10 with that engine
And the 98 Dodge didn't have all of the pollution controls required today and probably didn't weigh as much. Get a grip on reality. My 1971 Bronco with a 302 got 15.1 MPG average - and I thought that was really good. That truck weighed 3200 pounds, had 200 HP with zero pollution controls compared to probably 7,000 pounds for the F350. That's really good mileage for a crew cab with a 4:30 rear end and 445 cubic inch motor.
@@codyparker679 Thanks also back then you could get a manual trans.
My 96 Ram 3500 DRW 2WD with the V10 has never recorded an MPG number higher than 13 (usually 11 or 12 when empty). It gets 7 when towing my 9500lb 5th wheel RV. I'd really love to see what this 7.3L would get when pulling my RV. Double-digit mpg while towing would make me all kinds of happy. It's too bad I'd have to spend $50K to upgrade just to get better MPG.
@@buckhorncortez Yes, emissions controls waste a ton of gas. They have to keep the cats hot to burn shit off. Just look at your 02 sensor waveform. It is a big tradeoff.
Mine's gonna have the 4.30, so great to know! Thanks.
I thought the Ford would stay the same or improve on hwy mpg with 4.30 because of the extra gears. Still losing less than 1 mpg while gaining towing/load capacity and improving acceleration seems worth it. The 4wd up front isn’t helping mpg and I bet a 2wd version would do much better and the high curb weight doesn’t help, yet still the Ford did ok.
Doubt it would do "much" better. Maybe 1mpg like most other trucks (2wd vs 4wd)
You don’t know the terrain at all. It’s all high elevation driving with plenty of hills. Raton pass is driving to the top of the mountain and coming down. Great fuel mileage for that heavy of a truck with the type of terrain.
I don’t consider it a truck if it doesn’t have 4wd.
@@Weatherby406 We were advised to avoid 4wd in our work veh’s by industry contractors who said heavy trailers provide excellent traction in snowy or slippery conditions. They were right as we mostly towed. My personal truck had 4wd as I drove it frequently unladen.
@@Weatherby406 Semis don't even all have 4WD and when they do, it's all in the rear.
I have a 99 f350 7.3 diesel I'm considering this truck because no injectors no glow plugs less filters ,less oil at changes but seems same power and York maybe more
I’m in the same boat but I’ll be replacing a 00 v10 f250 ccsb. I’m a fleet mechanic and we’ve replaced all of our 1 ton and down trucks with gassers for lower maintenance expenses.
answer is 14.58 mpg. Video could have been 5 seconds long.
The 7.3L is for commercial fleet use. If you buy a $60,000 truck and have to ask what MPG vehicle will get then you cannot afford it!
Considering the weight of the vehicle, the frontal area, and trying to feed that many cubes that's actually pretty decent.
We could never get that gas mileage from our trucks 40 years ago with a big block/3 spd and no computer. Amazing what trucks can do today.
Yah my old 86 IDI got 17 on a 300 mile trip with 4 speeds BUT it was at 65 most of the time and nowhere near as capable as this truck. And it's only a 2WD.
It's also kind of miserable after like 80 miles. 😏
Not to mention the altitude toll and the subpar winter fuel toll. I'd bet this thing can easily get 18 at sea level in the summer.
@@justinluttrell1769 Probably. Maybe even 20s if you drive the speed limit or a couple ticks under.
@@dchawk81 Ya speed is a huge factor with these trucks. The difference between 60mph and 75 is EASILY 3mpg.
In 1978 I put a 1970 Lincoln 460 (365 gross hp, 500 ft/lbs of torque) in a 1968 F-250 using the later 1973(?) 460 motor mount towers and a truck manifold on the right side. It had a C6 3 speed automatic and a 3.73 rear end. The speed limit was still 55, but at 60 on a long trip it consistently got 13.7 MPG.
Just picked up a f350 7.3 and I got the 4.30s!
Great video, thanks Andre. This drive was done during cold weather (denser air than summer air), so I'll bet you would have about .5-1.0mpg better results in the summer on the same route. Second, while your highway route was relatively flat, your TFL Mpg highway loop is REALLY flat, so the mpg might be better there. Third, setting speed at 70mph vs. 75mph is a huge difference when comparing the amount of air a vehicle is pushing. Fourth, it would be interesting to see if Premium fuel would get better mileage. Here on the East Coast we have 93 octane, and I have noticed fuel mileage increases on that change alone (it allows the transmission to "lug" a certain gear longer, hence keeping RPMs down and fuel usage slightly down). Thanks for doing these kinds of test between different engine and gear combinations, the EPA and most other media avoid this important type of vehicle information.
Been waiting for these two videos thank you very much
Don't forget this is winter blend fuel which gives less MPG. Wait till summer when it gets warm and I bet it gets 2 MPG better!
I’ve been to Vegas, NM. If I had six months to live I’d spend it there. That way it would seem like ten years.
All of nm really
Agreed.
Ha Ha
I have a 2012 Ford F-250 XLT V8 6.2 that getting 15 mpg. Not bad for a 7000 lb truck.
4.30 vs 3.55 and only 1mpg loss over a very long trip with variables?
I'll take the 4.30 rear, thanks.
Especially since there are places between Flagstaff and Albuquerque that have some pretty steep inclines. In addition, there are places between Albuquerque and Colorado Springs that have relatively steep inclines as well.
Yeah in Pennsylvania we have a lot of hills so it helps.
My 2017 f350 with the 6.2 get the same mileage as the old regular cab 4.9 l 2wd. Me happy
the Duke says, there are lots of hills between Arizona and Colorado I'm surprised it did so well.
What did I teach you?
My 8.1 stays in overdrive and only goes up 200-300rpm in the mountains. Big block mpg in mountains stays the same.
South to north route he is on is quite flat actually
I did some math. At today's gas/diesel prices if a gas F250 got 10mpg and a diesel F250 got 20mpg it would still take ~130,000 miles to pay for the powerstroke upgrade (8500$). My math didn't include DEF or oil changes.
You didn't include me passing you up hill with my 45 ft trailer like you were standing still.
Don’t buy an hd truck with a big v8 if you are concerned with mpg. They don’t go together!
Yup....i laugh Everytime someone asks what the mpg are Everytime they are thinking about purchasing....or asking what the affect like lifting it or putting monster tires in it....😂😂😂
To be fair almost 15 mpg for a big gas v8 is pretty decent
@@twinx70 Yup....guys wanting 20mpg or more don't really want the truck for what it's supposed to be used for.
Richard Smith with 4.30 gears to boot!
We live in a world where instead of concern for capability and reliability Most “truck owners” care more about MPG and looks
I had a 2000 ford excursion with a v10 with 3.73s 2wd and it got about 16mpg on the hwy. I towed an 8000lb camper with it often. Eventually the rear axle needed a rebuild so I had 4.30s put in, it really woke up that engine and I lost about 1.5 mpg on the highway (empty) surprisingly city mpg got better and towing seemed to be unaffected.
Makes me appreciate my Honda Accord Hybrid. 750 miles on a 14 gallon tank
So basically, no improvement over the 6.2 with a 6 speed. I was really hoping that the 10 speed transmission would improve fuel economy on our fleet trucks. We would run the 4.30 gears with level kits and 35" tires, so right back the mileage as the 6.2's. Maybe the transmission logic will adjust as you get more miles on the truck.
Thank you for this video. Valuable info
Now that we know the differences in MPG between the 3.55 and 4.3 gears unloaded, It would be great to know that the MPG numbers would be loaded.
Wow what a great engine?? NOT, by that standard it will ONLY cost LOL $9,600 dollars @ 3800 Gallons of cheap gas, @ $2.50 per gallon "IF" all miles were highway miles, to drive this truck 50,000 miles, W/ avg 13 mpg (at best) that it WILL get. That's ONLY $4800 per year!! 25k miles to drive this truck hauling only AIR, Now lets contrast that with an Ecodiesel AVG'ed @ 25 miles per gallon of the 30 it gets on highway, divided by 50000 miles ='s 2000 gallons of Diesel compared to 3800!!.... and the Ecodiesel will far out- tow, So yeah.... NO, to the 7.3 good job Fraud doing what you do best Defying Logic....
I am surprised that the 10 speed transmission did not elevate the MPG. i have a 18 Ram 6.4 hemi with 4.10 gears and the old 6 speed. On a highway run like this I get just over 16.5 mpg. I will say that my MPG is very contingent on the temperature outside though. In colder temps the MPG does suffer. The last highway run I did similar to this was in about 35-40 degrees traveling over 70 mph and was still able to hit the 16.5 avg. In warmer conditions the fuel economy on the highway will easily go over 17.
MDS
The top gear ratio is the same in the 10 speed and the 6 speed... 0.63
Well considering that the old 460 gas that they used to put in F250's and F350's got around 8-10 empty and less than 8mpg loaded that is pretty good. Especially when you factor in how much smaller those trucks were. I've got a 1994 F250 supercab diesel and the title says right around 4700lbs plus or minus 50lbs (I want to say 4676lbs as it has been awhile since I looked at it) for curb weight and it got around 17mpg.
75 mph is some serious wind drag. Scale it back and get better mileage
But it is a realistic speed someone is going to drive on a daily basis. Good to know it can improve if driving differently though
Beautiful truck and scenery i just hope Ford fix the steering shaking problem that some newer 250's and 350's model have...
I really don't think that's horrible considering its brand new and the mileage will probably get better with break in. I only average 14.5 from Dallas to Carlsbad,NM. With 17 f-350 srw and 3.73 gears driving the speed limit so imo I would be interested in that combo in a year or 2 after some real world testing! I don't buy a truck for fuel mileage so to me it's going to be what ever it is but I also remember my old 78 Ford 400 modified only getting around 8mpg lol 😂. If the new combo holds up like 6.2 and 6 speed I would be happy with those results!
There really isn't any break-in on modern ICE engines anymore.
I have the same 2020 f250 crew cab 4x4 but with the diesel and 3.55 rear end (65-70 mph)- 22.4 mpg on the highway. Pulling my 10,000 lb 5th wheel on highway (62-65 mph)- 12.2 mpg
You were doing 75mph in Las Vegas, NM! Yeah it can do it but slower is better for MPG, more like 65.
DAM8658 yes but in the real world, people drive 75 plus on the interstate
Yeah my gfs 5.4 super duty gets like 9 unless you go 60mph then it gets 15
Speed limit on I-25 in NM is 75 for the most part, I’d say the real world speed is closer to 80-85 through these parts, wide open roads, wide open throttle. Hammer down and let’s see that Ford go!
Im from Baltimore and if you dont drive at least 75 on I95, your an asshole.
14.5 is good especially going 75 in the hills . my 2.7 f150 makes 18 going 75
I find the gearing difference to be very interesting. Ten years ago when we had transmissions with only four or five gears, the mileage difference would be significant. But now with all of the extra over-drive gears, you can drive the speed you want without a major drop in mileage.
I'd even go to a lower numerical axle ratio since you have a 4x4. Why? The transfer case has 4 LOW that you can use in that rare time that you'd need startability on a steep slope. You'd get even better fuel mileage with something like a 3.22 ratio and with the 4 LOW as safety you still have startability on steep slopes.
I really want to see how the 6.2 super duty does with the 10 speed trans. Towing, and mpg loaded/unloaded. I don't think the 7.3 will be worth it, but that is my speculation.
Depends on what the truck will do. If your only towing 10-13k pounds conventional, no need for the extra cost of the diesel
@@denverbasshead I'm not talking about Diesel. I'm talking about gas to gas heads up comparison maxed out on weight and empty. Nobody needs a diesel unless you are in F450+ territory. Diesel is just if you want to show off, of get somewhere FAST with a lot of weight.
As a former for most of my life, I am surprised the truck wasn’t stolen in Burque.
That's surprisingly good mpg for the gear ratio! Way better than the v10 with that gearing
Agreed. Huge improvement over the V10 it replaces. 15+/- mpg is a win-win, for Ford and for the consumer.
A lot of it has to do with the 10 speed trans.
Thats not bad considering the 460 got around 4 to 6 mpg technology advancement and emissions compliancy
The v10 that the 7.3 replaced got 12mpg with. 4.30 gears
So it gets the same mileage as a less powerful tundra.
I like how you conveniently forgot to mention it's bigger and about 1,000# heavier.
@@justinluttrell1769 probably closer to 1500lbs heavier.
@@justinluttrell1769 he was trying to compliment the Ford.
Spot on. My 5.7, 4x2 Tundra Crewmax gets 14.5mpg in mixed driving.
4.10 gear
Just bought a 2020. Super cab short bed 4x4 with the 7.3 and a 3.55 rear end. Around town I am getting around 12-13 around town and 17 on the highway down here in Houston. Just for comparison.
Should try it again with that big goofy front plastic air dam removed and see if it actually makes a difference in mpg, I hate the look of those things and it makes the truck loose so much ground clearance in the front.
High Octane I can’t speak for this f250 but I took the air dam off my f150 and don’t notice any difference in my mileage. My 5.0 was getting 24-25 on the freeway on long trips and still averages 19-20. I did see somewhere they remove easy for places that get tons of snow.
Then you'd fuk up the aerodynamics and cooling but ok
Good video, the difference between the two rear ends is something that many people think about.
Love these videos! You might want to correct the differences of mpg. The 3:55 ratio Ford got 15.1 mpg so that’s a difference of 0.5 mpg.
My 6 liter chevy 2500 gets about 12 or 13 unloaded. That new 10 speed trans makes a big difference.
Every time I see one of these new F250s on the road, the owner is not hauling or towing anything.
Saw a dually towing..
A bassboat 🤣
I own a 2019 F-350 Platinum Diesel with Ultimate package... never ever towed anything. Hauled a sofa once though
buying a certain truck just because you want it is as good a reason as any
@@usarealmanco i own a 2020 f450 limited. I got it just to drop the kids off at school.
@@jeffreyrogers8151 Well that's a little crazy because a dually is a hassle to drive and F450 rides rough. Also, Limited = Platinum w/ Ultimate Package and Diesel. There are no options Limited has that Platinum doesn't except that white interior that I am not a fan of
I would have that truck like it is with 4:10 gears. And the mpg will get better as it gets more miles on it. My 18 coyote got 16.7 new in summertime and now I get around 18.4 with 20,000 on the clock. Winter is not as good with fuel additives they put in as antifreeze. Plus it isles longer on cold days.
Hey guys. Please compare the Chevy 6.6 gas and the ford 7.3 in a real world towing comparison test. I-gauntlet and maybe a loaded up o-60 test. PLEASE IM SHOPPING!
You think for one second that they won't 😂
You obviously don't pay any attention at all to what these guys do.
They posted that video like 30 minutes before you commented that
556x45 mm I saw😂
Two things to point out. #1 traveling in a colder climate. In most cases will lower fuel mileage. #2 I notice his speeds 75 mph area. Again, at least with trying to push a big boxy truck down the highway, your going to have lower MPG's. I would have to bet, both of those factors alone are knocking 2 mpg off.
For a giant slab of metal thats not too shabby..
Just made a trip from boulder to Las Vegas NM. That leg of the trip I got 18.05 on my 16 f350 cclb 4x4 6.7. Had a 15+ mph headwind too. The mpg monitor on my truck is way off from the hand calculation.
News flash boys... wasn’t meant to get great mileage - it’s an alternative to a high dollar diesel -
People are KILLING me talking about their diesel engine talk. Who cares. This is exactly as you mentioned. About an alternative to diesel and all its inherit problems for fleet and hot shot drivers.
I noticed you were doing interstate speed in Eco mode. I have a 2018 F150 4x4 2.7 Ecoboost with 10 speed. I found out early on it gets worse mileage in Eco mode above 55 MPH. Eco mode is supposed to be used in town to give better economy in stop and go driving. Like that wonderful start stop mode I disabled after 1 week.
I'm seriously only getting 7.8mpg in town in my unloaded 2016 chevy 2500HD with the 6.0 gasser. This new ford is looking awfully tempting right now
Something is wrong. You should be in the 12-14 mpg around town empty.
@@GTOGregory he has to be idling his truck excessively or by city driving he's talking residential streets with stops at every block.
Either way a 7.3L will get worse MPG in the same driving route. Laws of physics.... gas engines all need to maintain the same 14.7:1 air fuel ratio and the larger the displacement will always require more fuel in all driving scenarios.
@@hogrod Nope. I let it warm up for a minute before I leave. I have a 3 mile drive to work. Zero traffic (I start wok at 4a.m.) and it's a straight shot, 40 mph, only one stop sign. I bought the truck brand new. It's always been a gas hog. I love the truck, but it's hard to consider those mpg's as being acceptable.
@@Eyore82 its the short drive that's bring down your MPG. Your engine is always running rich because it's not up to operating temperatures. Your route is a worst case scenario for even a fuel efficient 40mpg economy car, probably would average less than half that.
@@Eyore82 yeah man, you should definitely be seeing higher numbers on the norm but since you aren't it's definitely your drive. The 7.3 would be lower than your 6.0 for sure.
TFL did the new 6.6 Chevy on the same loop as the Ford 7.3 (3.55) and while unloaded the Chevy was 1mpg better and nearly 2mpg better than the Ford, same trailer, with nearly 3,000 extra lbs.
Two things.
1. Their mpg figures will most likely be higher then most people will ever get for two reasons. One reason is they are at elevations where the air is thinner so less air resistance and less air for the motor to mix with fuel to burn resulting in better mpg figures.
2. If you want to measure mpg most accurately, fill the fuel all the way to the rim everytime w/the fuel pump on to ensure all fuel passageways are full of fuel. There's an app name "Simply Auto" to input your current driving/riding numbers into when toping off to get your actual mpg numbers. If you fill to the rim Everytime, you get the most accurate results Everytime.
Now I know there are people out there who feel that is harmful and you are entitled to your own opinion. I have 5 vehicles, one of them I've owned for 14yrs and it has been topped off to the rim since day one. I've never on any of my rides had any issues with anything relative to filling up to the rim.
Filling up to the rim also gives me more range per fill-up. Most of my vehicles (except my bike and CRV) seem to take just about 2gallons more fuel after the nozzle stops on its own. One of my cars get 44-46mpg which gives me an extra 90miles per fill-up. I can go into a whole story about this type of stuff in details with my last 25+yrs of this method of filling up to achieve the most accurate results of how many mpg I am actually getting, but that's my input on these figures the TFL crew will get vs yours.
P.S. if you live in higher altitudes then their testing routes (which would be cool if you guys listed your altitude operating elevations at TFL), you'll most likely see even higher mpg figures of you drive accordingly.
O....one more thing. I have some seat time in a 18' F350 diesel and noticed 1-2mpg higher cruising at 75-80mph then I did at 65-70mph @ 1020-1140ft elevation on a rolling hills route for a 95-100mile distance. I have lots and lots of information. I love this shit!
After watching this video, my Prius went into shock, had a major heart attack and died.
😳
Good thing the Ford could pull it home
Wish they'd all die
Good. Burn what is left.
Love my Prius. 50-60 plus mpg is a great feature. My 6.0 f350 has gotten over 20 mpg on a few occasions. The right tool for the right job makes all the difference
@@ewingsharp8916 Tool. You said it.
Oh man! My dream truck
TFL, When will you be able to post video from the 7.3L towing up the Ike? Great vids, keep them coming!
Today is the day... doesnt mean they will post the video today but they officially can now
They bought their own. They don't have to wait. I'm sure they were being thoughtful though and waiting for the other journalist with the exception that they get to announce first.
@Joshua Beckett Possibly. But with them buying their own, they don't have to wait. Like I said before, out of respect I'm sure that's why they did.
This is almost exactly my results with a 4.30 rear end in a Tremor Package at about 65mph. Plus about 5-800lbs of equipment with me in the truck.
If ford upgraded its interior to the likes of Ram it would be a perfect truck. Great video Andre!!
Moses I want a base model. Not a fan on spending 30k extra on an iPad in the dash and extra buttons... just more to go wrong
@@freedomisntfree_44 Absolutely....
lmao.....seems like too many want a god Damned living room in their truck..😂😂😂😂.....NO THANKS....standard interior is where it's at....no flipping heated steering wheel, seats, carpet or infotainment system....🙄🙄🙄🙄
I want a truck not a parade float ...
What exactly do you want to do in the truck besides driving it?
@@jesusgomez14163 He probably wants Rams overdone interior. I'm aways hearing so many complaining about how Ford's interior is not as good as Rams. I saw Rams interior. It does not look like a trucks interior.
You should have purchased the 6.7l with 40gal tank. You could have driven the full 800 mile on about 3/4 tank.
I just get the feeling that this really is Ford's "Sleeper of the Year" winner. Unless you're a Ford Crazed Fool...which is not a bad thing, you won't understand just what this "Baby-460" is made for and made Of, and finally what it is intended for. Ultimate work truck motor with Steps that really do Stomp.
It's not a baby 460. It's not a "big block", either.
@@porkbuttrocks Are trying to start an issue here? I'm protected. Yep, that one's free. Move away from the flames!
@@gen-x-zeke8446 What?
The potential is HUGE with this engine.
@@retiredafce3373 From what I understand it is rather narrow in comparison to a Coyote, so 600+ for a Fox Body is actually an easy task. *I guess it really isn't meant for that racing shit. This is for heavy duty work.
The 3.55 in your video did 15.05 (you rounded to 15.1) not the 15.5 you state in this video. So about .5 mpg difference between the two different axle ratios
Only 1 mpg? I'll get the 4.30s.
why? according to Ford They tow the same weight with a F250. if you gooseneck then that is where to difference is in towing capacity per ford website.
hard to compare a loop with almost no elevation change to a one way trip where they have more elevation change so thats why it took one mpg more...plus add in different atmospheric conditions makes them about the same id say
@@josophschmo1585 🤔 good point, because it pushes harder and it's easier on the drivetrain...
@@josophschmo1585 Il help you by that standard it will ONLY cost LOL $9,600 dollars @ 3800 Gallons of cheap gas, @ $2.50 per gallon "IF" all miles were highway miles, to drive this truck 50,000 miles, W/ avg 13 mpg (at best) that it WILL get. That's ONLY $4800 per year!! 25k miles to drive this truck hauling only AIR, Now lets contrast that with an Ecodiesel AVG'ed @ 25 miles per gallon of the 30 it gets on highway, divided by 50000 miles ='s 2000 gallons of Diesel compared to 3800!!.... and the Ecodiesel will far out- tow, So yeah.... NO, to the 7.3 good job Fraud doing what you do best Defying Logic....
@@AmericanSurvival001, So what did you help me with?
Same as my 04 STD cab F150 FX4 w/3.55s!
That thing has to be an animal with 4.30 gears
Get a F250 two wheel drive reg cab work trim with 3.55's, bet big difference in number's, specially unloaded.
So the 10 speed trans did not help at all?
It helped enough to neutralize it, it's a bigger engine with more horsepower and more torque and it still gets about the same miles per gallon as the 6.2 l. So I would say it is doing its job.
Where do you get that idea from? My 2019 F350 with a 6.7, 6-speed, and 3:55 rear end got 14.2 from Denver to ABQ. So a gas motor with a 4:30 rear end got better mileage than a diesel with a 3:55 rear end. You figure maybe the transmission might account for some of the difference?
I like the sound of that. Wonder what it would do in a 3800lb Galaxie. Even more in a 3200lb Mustang.
15 mpg is unreal for a big block. My 7.5 used to get 6mpg ☠️
Small block.
the 7.3 is a small block .. but i also had a 79 460 ... i could watch the gas gauge move
@@premierautomotiveofclevela6423 A 7.3 is a small block?
@Thomas Greiwe might wanna check with Ford then .. according to Ford they are calling the new 7.3 a small block engine... not sure what to tell you
@Thomas Greiwe cubic inches has nothing to do with being a big or small block. Ford said it is a small block. It is physically not a "big" engine.
Not bad. My 2004 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 4X4 gets 13.5 with being easy on the throttle
I’d take the 4:30 over 3:55
Andre, I wish you guys, when doing fuel economy tests that you would tell us what the RPM's are at Hwy speeds with whatever vehicle you are testing.....Thanks Steve
I get about the same with my 07 F250 with a 5.4L, so this could be considered a vast improvement, considering a 7.3L is a much larger engine. BTW, fuel mileage is a whole lot easier to calculate if you round the gallons off at the pump, we're not splitting hairs here lol.
My Tundra with the 5.7 and 4.30 rear end averages the same... It's max tow is 9k though... But I got it used for 22k ha... I'll take this Ford in 5 years