Beethoven will make your wrist fall off! 🥵🤌 | John O'Conor
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2023
- John O'Conor's practice tip for Beethoven's Sonata in C Minor, Op. 13, Op. 13.
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Instructions unclear: my wrist fell off regardless
😂 I'm glad im not alone
What a great instructor to be able to explain a tortured soul like Beethoven, you can hear it in his music and the intensity.
Totally agree. This is absolute torture for the left hand. It hurts!
Hello!Thank You very much!🤗
if it hurts you're doing it wrong and should stop playing it until you can fix it. pushing through pain like this regularly leads to injuries. this goes not just for pain but also tension in general.
@@scronchman0146 Make a tutorial and amaze us. Like Mr O' Connor also says'' It's a hard nut to crack''' . Anmd if you notice it's about building the tension , actually. But ...again , amaze us with a recording :))).
@@cooltrades7469 I have nothing to prove to you. All i did essentially was repeat what was said in the video: if you don't play properly tension will build and that's bad. If you need a tutorial again just watch the video. Assume a proper posture, relax, and then rotate back and forth.
Wait a minute... Why?
I needed this advice when I decided to pick up winter wind. Too late now, I’ve already screwed up my wrist 😭
you ok?
do you have a teacher??
Ouch
The first time I tried this piece…felt my muscles contract and ache after just half the page
Rotations are a MUST
John O'Conor! Good to see an irish legend on here
Rattle the door handle! What a good metaphor!
I agree, never thought of it like that but it makes so much sense!
No pain, no gain. Remains an exceptional sonata to listen to. I’ll think of this every-time I listen to it performed.
I love these videos by the musicians. I am NOTA musician and it really adds to my appreciation of the performance. Just listening to a performance without even seeing what the musicians have to do to perform it certainly doesn’t give those musicians the appreciation they deserve. And having one tell you that they feel like their hands gonna fall off really brings that home.
Learning this sonata, and this advice is gold
Having played the violin, the motion of the vibrato on a violin also helps me w the left hand there
Love when musicians come up with clever analogies to get us to use our hands correctly. The doorknob example is great!
This is tried and true. My teacher Olive Perry certainly taught me the opening door technique. But a good idea to add the lighter thumb in gradually. And in this case the concept of rattling the round door handle is very appropriate.
This is so true
Even on mozart sonatas when the lh has nothing but 16th note chord figures and my wrist gets tighter
Ohh yess I have experienced this playing the left hand. So coming across this video has helped alot.
Wow he said exactly same as what my piano teacher told me
Yesss...this is a hard one. I thought it;s only me being lame. Now I feel much better . Really.
Hello! This technique of broken octaves is very important and sincerearly not easy for playing because it is half rotation for the hands,but especially for left hand.Thanks for this experience and education,oldou I have been practicing...Many regards, Marcelina
My dear friend,thank You very much!🎶🎶🕊️ 😊
Being playing this when your naturally left handed ❤
This piece tortured me an unbelievable amount due to exactly this
Love Beethoven. Thank you for sharing
That's the reason wrists ROTATIONS is very important!!!❤😊
forearm rotation*
Yes forarm rotation.
Never could do it and so wanted to play it
Try the accompaniment for Schubert’s Erlkonig!
I tried the Liszt transcription for piano and it's real hell, I can say it's one of the hardest piano pieces
@@LoserinoTheDumbWait till you play alkan's chemin le fer. Absolute hell
@@itsshrimp91Try his Symphonie on for size!!!😂
Thank you. I’m learning this song now this is very helpful
This technique will be used at least somewhat throughout repertoire especially in Beethoven. Sonata No. 3, Op. 2 No. 3 for instance
John! I love your recording of John Fields Nocture in B flat
I played with bad wrist pain for my exam. By the end of the first movement, my left wrist and forearm were SO sore 😣
Great analogy with door handle!!! I love it.
Sounds like a chase in an old B/W slapstick movie.
Excellent! This pearl - my neckless.
This is surely sounds like the best piece of piano technique advice I've ever heard in my life! I'm gonna try it. Been trying to play this sonata for years, but my wrist tightens so bad after only three or four bars...
Thank you kindly🤍
The key: let gravity do the work. When I learned this years ago, it dramatically changed everything for me.
Oh wow thanks so helpful :)
Fascinating
Masters advice!!
Love the door handle!
Thank you. Very valuable.
Es tan bella la explicación como Beethoven y la patética
My left hand started to hurt just watching this.
I have a problem with tension at the best of times. This made my left wrist hurt a lot!
This is why we need narrower key boards. You can get a smaller instruments for most but not the piano which was designed for men with big hands.
This guy said my friend looked like an "arrogant prick" in a masterclass one time. nice guy.
Did your friend deserve it though?
Beethoven makes me anxious
Welp there went my wrist regardless 😂
WoW ! and ouch 😳
If you can reach it, using 3-1 instead of 5-1 for this kind of thing is much easier on the wrist.
Do you have small hands or something? I do 2-1 😏
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Slowly I get it without any fatigue or pain but if I speed up it becamoes a mess. How can an increase the tempo?? Guapee hand separately I have the final tempo but together it can’t
It was not written for a modern piano, key action, touch and sound were mich lighter at Beethoven's time.
But tremolos are never regular but just an effect so the important thing is the RH right? I never know how to study Beethoven's tremolos
Beethoven was absolutely not a slacker! If he was an architect the Empire State building would’ve be in built in Vienna!
Never give up tune. I like Glenn Gould take. Tough music in music history ,most high quality Latin techniques is necessary and it is secret for Yamaha piano sales.
Así deben ser las clases en técnica para las obras de piano
Goonies jail break scene must have ripped off Beethoven, because I instantly thought of a black Jeep Cherokee with bullet holes.
Beethoven be like : "skill issue"
hey he was my teacher
As an Italian, I do not approve how he pronounced "Allegro di molto e con brio".
Can't wait to hear your Irish accent
What's the name of this piece? I've heard it a lot before but I don't know the name.
Beethoven, pathétique sonata 1st movement
@@TheNightFox919 thank you so much
Beethoven's piano had smaller keys and lighter action. Make Mozart, Bach and Beethoven play today's instruments and they'll be sitting in orthopaedic OPD in a line.
"If you don't feel enough pain, you don't play properly."
- Beethoven, masochist composer
He would say that !
🤣😂
Gradations....if Allegro con brio is very fast, how are vivace and presto ? May be - con brio - just means - epic - and not Allegro con presto
With Beethoven perhaps "intensity" : pushing forward - powerful feelings that he is trying to express through the keyboard. He had a pretty tough life after all.
Orchestra and Chorus singer doesn't like solo singing. 😮 It is same problem on keyboard. 🎉 One hand practice is most toughest rehearsal for any pianist. 😅 It doesn't matter if he is pro or not. 😊Both hands practice is most easiest way to escape facing his reality. ❤
My favorite pathetic
maybe Beethoven himself didn't play it that way.
...maybe he was just drunk and a little sadistic and decided to torture students and future generations.
😂🤣
What piece is this?
Pathetique
@@Alwaysneverwin1 thankss
Name of that piece, please?
Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata (1st movement)
The left hand is a problem for him, but most of us manage it just fine.
I like the advice but not the interpretation.
Really?
No sense of dynamics and expression in this playing. He ignores the emphasis on the second repeated chord at the top of the first climb and the sudden diminished volume of immediately following second climb. Even without checking the score i could tell something was wrong. Doesnt convey the urgency.
Beethoven: not worth it!
Heretic !!! Though I never played this particular Beethoven myself.
My teacher wanted me to employ some kind of hand contortion to accomplish octave legato in a Mozart sonata.
I replied very emphatically, in German, “I will not make myself a victim for Mozart!“
Instead I used the pedal.
I appreciated the attempt to speak Italian