Because the only reason is that he(and everyone else who isn't a member) is a satanist trying to destroy the one true church(Pastor Bob's Bible Church)
As an Episcopalian, i'll clue you in on the real historic Anglican position. Anyone more reformed than me is too protestant, and anyone more anglo-catholic than me is too Catholic. As we can see from this analysis, I hold the true real and historic position of right and proper English Protestantism.
It is not all subjective, there is real history we can look at. The 39 Articles and the rest of the Formularies make it clear we are firmly Protestant and lean towards the continental Reformed. The 19th century Oxford Movement headed up by a guy who is now a Roman Catholic saint tried to rewrite history. I personally like the Anglo-Catholics, but they are not the historic position.
@@josephlockey6098 Look at your first reply, people will indeed take your joke seriously and as an admission of subjectivity. That is why I replied. It is really an historical question anyway, it is not about personal belief.
@clivejungle6999 I appreciate you replying to inform others, I figured the statement is so absurd that people would get the joke. Thanks for clarity for others though, it is important, especially for the Anglican tradition.
First Redeemed Zoomer was a closeted Catholic Then he was a closeted Lutheran Now he’s a closeted Anglican Closeted Southern Baptist Redeemed Zoomer when??
The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (1847) and the Southern Baptist Convention (1845) are the only two large historic denominations in the U.S. that successfully fought and drove out theological liberalism.
He should do a plot twist for the last two videos, "Why I'm not Reformed", and then, a couple weeks later, the final video in the series, "Why I'm Catholic"
Really the main reason for the 2 year old Anglican church plant I go to is cause there were no Anglican congregations close by. Only 2 years in and we've already come a long way! It was really needed in the community!
I am very confused on why you would accept any council based on your criteria. The first council of Nicaea was called by an emperor to address the Arian heresy and barely quoted any scripture. I think you would need to think of a better argument to deny the 7th ecumenical council because the one you gave is not sufficient
You give a good characterization of Anglicanism, especially highlighting its tendency toward compromise and lack of doctrinal consensus. I used to be Anglican (ACNA), but these weaknesses in part contributed to me becoming confessional Lutheran (LCMS).
I'm not being antagonistic, I'm genuinely curious: If St. Ignatius says to follow the bishop as Christ follows His Father, in what way can we reasonably say his opinion on church structure is unclear? 11:40 or so. And if the episcopal structure developed that quickly and was the norm for THAT long, can we really reasonably think this is out of step with apostolic thought? Genuinely curious of the reformed perspective.
The issue is in presupposing that when Ignatius says "bishop", he's talking about the actual episcopal office as defined in churches with an episcopal polity today. Paul uses the word bishop interchangeably with the word presbyter, and Clement for instance speaks of the two offices of bishop and deacon, before later using bishop and presbyter interchangeably. The terms themselves were not distinct or clearly defined in any way in the early church. And indeed, when we see Ignatius describe the office of bishop, he is speaking of it as an office of one person that has local jurisdiction over one congregation. This isn't what a bishop is defined as today - bishops have a regional, diocesan authority over multiple congregations. Ignatius' description of bishop is closer to that of a senior pastor or ruling elder. As for your second question, firstly the episcopate as understood today wasn't developed quickly, but as other developments in the church took place slowly and was adopted in some places before others. I don't think you can assume that developments cannot take place within a 200-year timespan. Secondly, just because the Church has developed the ordained ministry from what was present at the apostles, doesn't mean that development is necessarily bad or must be removed straightaway. Jerome for instance, while recognizing that the episcopate was a development, still said that presbyters should submit to their bishops, yet bishops should be mindful that "if they are set over the presbyters, it is the result of tradition, and not by the fact of a particular institution by the Lord."
@@boredgirl7418but St. Ignatius has a three fold office already. What he means by bishop is what people who believe in the episcopacy mean by bishop. It’s evident from his letters themselves.
@@boredgirl7418 Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I appreciate grappling with the issue rather than deflecting, so thank you! To offer light push back: are we sure that the term "bishop" in St Ignatius was strictly used for one man on one congregation? I think it's obvious that even Paul's letters, while addressed to a specific church, are largely intended for the many churches in a city or region. Can't Ignatius be directing a letter to "The bishop of the church in Smyrna" and that encompass several churches within Smyrna under one episcopate? Also, I understand the danger of funneling all our ideas through one lens of Ignatius or Jerome, but again the point that gives me pause is that the 3 fold office, as RZ mentioned, was universal from second century until the Reformation. Wouldn't it be outthinking ourselves to then reject this structure on the grounds that it isn't apostolic enough? Definitely open to push back on anything here.
Great video, love the work you're doing. Keep it up! A lot of good information here showing understanding not only of your denomination, but also others. One point which I do disagree is when you speak of only worshiping God in ways that the Bible says to. I would say that this contradicts Colossians 3:17 which states "Whatever you do in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father." This verse is stating that everything we do should be a form of worship. Yes, singing songs of praise, fellowshipping with other believers, and communion are all great forms of worship which we should all do, but that's only touching the surface. Through doing using the abilities which God has granted us to the best of our abilities and using those talents to serve those around us, we are worshiping God. It's not limited by any scripture, rather encouraged through scripture to bring it into every aspect of our lives.
I’m going to become ACNA in the near future. I would go Episcopalian but the local Episcopalian churches are off the mark, and I’ve vetted the local ACNA church and they’re solid. I will be attending a mainline Episcopalian church when in college though, since that one is on the RZ map and I vetted them to confirm.
My biggest issue with Anglicanism (aside from its founding) is that there's no doctrinal unity. Anglicanism allows for such a wide range of beliefs, you can believe virtually anything and still be part of the Anglican church. Now that I think about it, Anglicanism, in many ways, can be considered the first non-denominational church as they're the first group to not require adherence to a set of specific doctrines aside from the "basics" of Christianity.
I actually kind of like their big tent style because they can preserve communion with other believers of different understandings within one church structure
@MatthewBrender-lr3jk right, and I consider glossing over significant theological differences for the sake of a so-called unity to be a weakness. It's true that there was a church in England prior to becoming under Rome's jurisdiction, but the Anglican church of the Reformation was certainly founded by King Henry XIII.
@MatthewBrender-lr3jk yeah, they tell themselves that to cope. Their motives during the Reformation was not simply to return to the pre-roman church of England. And their theology is different as well.
@@ThebasedheriticAnglicanism to me has everything I love about christianity it has a very catholic aesthetic (for obvious reasons) which how can you not love old gothic and medevial church's?,with gorgeous stain glass windows and it has all of this without the overbearing authority of the catholic church it just has a far more friendly feel to it and a more laided back nature😊
If the regulative principle were true, Christ would have observed it during his life. We know Christ engaged in worship in synagogues. Such worship is not commanded in the Old Testament. Therefore, Christ did not observe the regulative principle. Therefore, the regulative principle is false.
I think perhaps the regulative principle should be used for the fundamentals of orthopraxy and liturgy, but does not need to be followed for components that flow from that. Agree or disagree?
@@bryanwalters9574 Fair enough. Just an idea I have, but it's not something I've thought through to a conclusion. Maybe a better way to put it would be use the regulative principle to define what the essentials of worship are, but then the normative principle is applicable to secondary components? I'm just not sure if this is an inconsistent position though.
“A Baptist Church from the 1800s looks so much more like gothic Cathedral then a Catholic Church built in 2010” This is factually incorrect, Catholic architecture has actually gotten really good and traditionalist over the last 20 years or so
Altar calls are also very unsettling. Especially for people who’ve already made professions of faith. They make you doubt instead of giving assurance. I answered lots of altar calls when I was a kid cause no one made it clear that it should only happen once.
I feel a draw towards Anglicanism. I'm English so I feel a kinship their, but other than that I'm a monarchist, and I'm struggle to reconcile my Presbyterian polity with monarchy.
the second commandment forbids making graven images and likenesses UNTO THEE. if its just a pictoral, non graven representation of Jesus, its not violaating the second commandment.
Friendly Counter-argument: The Chosen is pretty a pretty entertaining show and it has directly led to an increased interest in Christianity among people I know (we're all zoomers). These are people that have since converted to Christianity and accepted Christ into their heart. Are we really going to throw the baby out with the bathwater and treat Jesus like he's Muhammad or something? We're tasked with spreading the good news and zoomers hate reading. I've watched it twice with my friends, and I would pause at times to explain the textual biblical accounts (I've read the bible ofc) portrayed in the show to clear up any possible confusion or discrepancies. When watched in this way, I believe it can be an effective resource as my experience has proved to me. One of my converted friends has even bought a bible of their own and is reading through it faster than I did; coming to me with questions about scripture every day! Love your vids btw, Zoomer. You helped me a heck of a lot in bringing me back to the faith - God bless you and this community ✝
The second commandment is to not make any graven images of God. People kiss the icons and ask the saints to pray for them, well you kiss your family and ask them to pray for you too. This is the Orthodox Defense which is true and solid. There is no focus on the saints in prayer nor are you praying to them. You pray to God and there’s a little note at the end of the prayer of who to ask to pray for you after you’ve already completed your prayer to God.
I am a Presbyterian and I agree there are too many "John MacArthur" fanboys and fangirls. However, I am not sure if anyone from PCUSA can criticize John MacArthur or any other "reformed" Baptists considering how they allowed the Apostasy. That's "The pot calling the kettle black" or as Jesus said "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye".
I'm Anglican because i believe our Kingship replaces the Davidic line That the great Anglican cathedral replaced the second temple. That the apostolic succession of our priests are the replacement of a Levites. And that the Anglo-Saxons conquered Britain to resemble the Israelite conquest of Canaan. That isn't to say other Christian sects are wrong or other ethnicities don't have a place. But the mirrors and parallels between Judaism and Anglicanism exists and i feel that as the venerable Bede says, Jews and Gentiles (of all races) can know Christ. So why am i not Catholic? Because King > Pope. I respect the position of popes though because of Peter succession. Just as some Orthodox priests have succession from other apostles of Christ. My Anglicanism comes with very monarchal positions Fritz Imperial has a great video "Why i am a monarchist" And Sacred Kingship video "The Biblical case for Monarchy" I am very influenced by British Christian practices of Anglicanism but also the local pre reformation British rite of Catholicism and the old Celtic Church of Britain (which has problems but what doesn't) And im not Methodist but I respect Methodists. I am sadden that liberalism has grossly influenced the episcopal structure. Btw we had a Episcopal structure since the 200s AD. The longevity as respected as it is seemed to work. If not preserved by God himself. Nothing i'm saying btw is disrespectful to your opinion or position. I respect Presbyterianism which is a influential denomination today. And also comes from a imported Calvinist tradition influenced by British Christianity practices.
@@couriersix7326 spiritually, as a substitution, yes. Biologically. No. Anglo-Saxons are not the biological seed of Abraham let alone Jacob but of Japheth. I believe that British Christianity best replaced Judaism. Or a better evolved continuity. I don't believe the English are descendants of Israelites. Biological Israel are the Christians from Lebanon and Palestine. Lebanese and Palestinian Christians descend from Jews that followed Jesus. Aren't they by deduction the Israelites of Christianity? I think the English are used as a theological and historical gentile version of Judaism by showcasing God aids Christians as much as Jews. As I said with Bede, both Jews and gentiles and of any race and denomination are valid British-Israelism is heresy as it's racist towards non whites and thinks the gospel isn't for all mankind. And most of its adherents are Baptists which is a terrible denomination.
22:53: Hanukkah is found in the Apacrapha and Hanukkah has merit to it - it was dedication to the temple after they took it by from the Greeks who defiled it. Christmas however is a problem because of possible paganisic practices within it. The argument for Christmas being pagan is often dismissed by a lot of Christian scholars and they say there's not proof, but the argument for celebrating it and saying it is a Godly Holiday isn't convincing either - this also applies to Easter, Valentine's Day, and Halloween (Christians are usually willing to dismiss Halloween though). The problem isn't the holidays themselves, it's about doing traditions of man over the what God tells us - even saying that they are of God. Christmas is way to similar to the holiday of Yule and around the Winter Solstice, it's too much if a coincidence and people SHOULD be concerned. Y'all forgot about that holiday that was going on during Jeremiah's days, have y'all? Christmas isn't exactly the same as thar holiday, but there's a parallel and it's a concern.
By their fruits shall you know them: Have icons done more harm than good, on the whole? We can actually take The Chosen as a good example of this: it's been a sensation, and has even lead more than one person back to God, while not pushing anyone in particular AWAY from the church. If I may offer a bit of loving criticism (which may be foolish given I don't know you): you're a brilliant young man, very logical, and VERY left-brained. You need to connect more with the more emotional, right-brained side of religious experience--images, feelings, art, the esoteric and mystical.
Esoteric? Mystical? Cringe. The art? I'm literally a classical musician and am obsessed with churches being pretty enough. I just think we need to RESTRICT art to what's BIBLICAL
Unlikely. To be in communion with Rome means to accept the Pope as supreme bishop over the church and his infallibility. Two things the East strongly disagrees with.
In the episcopal church, the laity has a lot of representation. There's a half-joke in the church that we have to have episcopal polity because who else is gonna confirm us.
Clavin Robinson is not old catholic but part of the Anglican communion outside of England (the greater communion of anglicans) Nevermind I was wrong lol didn’t know he left that to be old catholic
I don't know. Conflating coveting your neighbor's things and coveting your neighbor's wife as the same thing kinda makes it sound like you think wives are objects or possessions. I don't think that's what you think. I would just be careful with that sort of thing.
Reformed Anglican here. Alternative title : "4 reasons I'm wrong" 😂In all seriousness; great video though. Love your content Zoomer, keep it up! I'd quibble with you about icons & prayers "to" the saints. To clarify - saints on their own don't have some sort of divine power beyond what anyone else as a christians already has - we're not ascribing idolatrous worship to them. Prayers "to" the saints are not worship or asking for help in the same ways that prayers to God directly are; we're doing something different. We're simply asking a fellow christian - one who is in a higher state of closeness to God & holiness than we currently are - to pray to God on our behalf. Which we as christians do for each other in life all the time, whenever we ask people or our church to pray for us - especially if we ask pastors to pray for us. And we know the saints are aware of what is happening on earth & are able to pray for us based on passages in the epistles of St. Paul & in Revelation where their prayers for the earth are described as rising like incense to the throne of God.
@@IamGrimalkin It certainly does! I'm no priest, so take my perspective with a grain of salt; but I'd say the distinction lies primarily in whether or not it should be held as dogma. Anglo-Catholics view issues such as prayers to the saints, as part of the (very roman) traditional, historical church that we MUST reform to (and usually tend to lean a lot more roman on their theological views as a result). Reformists say that they're wrong; that the ACTUAL historical church was one in which christians were okay with divine mysteries and having very different experiences from one another (a lot more like the eastern church). As a rule we generally do not REQUIRE anyone believe anything beyond what scripture teaches is necessary for salvation (which I should note, is also clearly explained and defined by the Articles of Religion within the Book of Common Prayer.) As such, Reformists can believe in prayers to the saints and still be perfectly comfortable being in communion with low-church anglicans (or any other christians) who do not; we simply acknowledge that God reveals himself to our brothers and sisters in vastly different ways at times; and try to be gracious & give each other the benefit of the doubt when differences do arise.
The least Anglican thing about me is i am also a iconoclast to a extent. Jesus, The Father and the holy ghost should not be depicted. But i have no problem with icons of Saints and Disciples. Your not going to hell because you erect a statue of Mary or Peter or George or whoever. As for praying to the saints it's only from articulation and vocabulary. If you talk to a saint like you ask your grandma to pray for you than it's not heretical. Even if it's impractical I'd say it's not heretical. But if you give them so much intercession to the point where you treat them as like a lesser god than i understand respectably why people think we shouldn't have art of biblical figures. Do you think a statue of king David will send you to hell?
I agree that the second council was kind of iffy. But the thing is the ark of the covenant had to pictures of angels on it. God said for them to make images of Angels on it. And graven images Or false gods the golden calf was a false God the Israelites were not worshiping the Lord they were worshiping something else. I’d also have to say that having icons helps humans understand what God is in gives them a way to view a glimpse of heaven. And also is a heat sink. If we can’t imagine what God is at all we’re not making things up and becoming weird. Often times you find God it’s starting to become you or humans instead of God himself. So icons help us keep rooted
Sir Zoomer I need some advice. Im in a non denominational church right now, as there are no other real and good churches around me, but ive gotten so used to how non denominational churches work that I cant place my finger on which denomination to go to. I watched your video and im thinking congregational? Thanks man, love your videos!
@@alfieingrouille1528 Because infant baptism is the correct and Biblical belief. Credobaptists are very widespread in America and need to be countered.
Hey Zoomer, could you do a video about Molinism? I heard InspiringPhilosophy mention he was a molinist on one of his streams and it seems like a middle ground between Calvinism and Arminianism. Curious what your thoughts/critiques would be.
I watch IP and I remember him explaining it in the context of the omnipotence/omjiscience paradox, where a God that knows and does everything can willingly cede sovereignty to one of His own in the form if a choice, and in the form of freedom of choice=/=maximal autonomy; whilst still being sovereign, omnipotent and omniscient
I'm gonna push back on the worship point. The normative principle of worship is simply that if something isn't against scripture, than its acceptable. Your representation of it wasn't very accurate. Other than that, this was a good video, although I still remained convinced of Anglicanism
@@redeemedzoomer6053you did an amazing job Also I’d like to add if you where to remake the theologian tier list where would you put Beza since you changed your views on predestination
Here in Hungary the Reformed Church has a Bishop. Recently their bishop got into a political scandal, causing dissent and harm to the church. (There's a big painting of John Knox at he local Hungarian Reformed Church. I asked the pastor who that man was on the painting, because he didn't seem like John Calvin. She said that it was surely Calvin. Turns out it was John Knox. Had they listend to Knox, they wouldn't have a scandalous bishop now.)
Love your videos. Recently subbed. Is there any chance you could make a video about Christian’s and gaming? As I am also an enjoyer of Minecraft, but has stopped playing certain games because of overly graphic content I just.. don’t enjoy anymore. Thank you and God bless ✝️
Yo this is kinda random but i just thought about it and your channel is perfect for this. Dont know if youll see this comment, but if you do, could you consider doing one of those explanation videos you do as summarized but for some of CS Lewis’s books please?
I’m considering converting to either Lutheranism or Anglicanism but am worried that if Catholicism or Orthodoxy is definitely the one true church, that I’ll go to hell, so Pascal’s wager is sort of telling me to just become an apostolic Christian, any advice to get over this feeling?
I suggest keep praying and learning about all these faiths and talk to people trained in those faiths to give you their input. God is already leading you closer to him, keep discerning.
RZ why should anyone become reformed? I always struggle with your videos because it seems as though Protestantism is a confederation of social clubs rather than the church of Christ. All these denominations have very different positions on seemingly important theological issues.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 sorry if my comment wasn’t clear, more confused about the ecumenical nature of Protestantism, for example you accept churches that participate in icon veneration? Idk how to broach this idea of invisible church, what’s the end goal of Christ’s mission, that all the world will be reformed and Christ will rein over a reformed kingdom? I don’t see that happening or really being the direction the reformed movement is taking.
The Roman Catholic Church still the best job resisting. I think even more so than the protestant denominations in the USA, the Catholic Church was under attack from liberalism from the inside. If you look at a lot of what was going on in the Catholic Church from the 60s to 90s, it was heavily liberal the clergy and all that were very liberal. But the top was conservative and a lot of the people who are conservative in the pews stayed. Now even with Pope Francis I would argue we say that the conservatives are very much winning. Meanwhile low church groups like the Baptist or slowly descending into nondenominational ism which is just a mess.
I disagree on your interpretation of the first and second commandments. The first commandment is about how we should orient ourselves towards the highest deal, and not confuse God for lesser powers. The second commandment is about how we should not seek salvation outside of God, looking towards institutions, technology, or anything else for salvation is the creation of false idols.
the golden calf was not a misguided worship of the one true god. They wished to return to egypt to worship molech (who is described as a calf of bull) and rejected Moses and God.
zoomer why did you ban the British Copt? there is an actual church called the British Orthodox Church that was part of the Coptic Orthodox Church but was granted autochephaly by said Church (like the Ethiopian Church actually) and you banned him for larping he was not larping he was just having a bad time of where he lives
The actual anglican argument for bishops and the 3 fold ministry is that bishops replace the leadership duties of the Apostles. The Apostles acting as bishops in the early church literally affirms episcopal government, and you can see as early as clement and Ignatius that this polity is in fact the immediate use in the church. And then bro's other argument of "uh it's not good cuz it makes things hard." I guess God made everything that was right really easy
I have a genuine question, RZ was going on a tangent about the regulative principle of worship, and he talked about how important it is to worship Yahweh the right way. Well, using Church of Christ tactics (which by the way, I steongly disagree with), why would there be any instruments at all in a church? God never commanded us in the new testament to worship with instruments, but he did command us to sing. I would say that using instruments isn't necessarily adding to the Lord's command to sing (which was in Ephesians I believe?), but if we're supposed to be careful, why use instruments?
I wish the Presbyterian churches in my area weren't all super woke. I'd like to attend one to try it out. I'm the more I learn about the S. Baptist Convention the more I want to try something else. Nearest PCUSA on your map is like 2.5 hours away. I have a big PCUSA church in town but it's got a lesbian pastor.
"They were trying to worship the one true god through the calf" except that they weren't. All of the translations use a plural noun. They tried to instill the pantheon of previous gods into one symbol. 4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. quas cum ille accepisset formavit opere fusorio et fecit ex eis vitulum conflatilem dixeruntque hii sunt dii [plural] tui Israhel qui te eduxerunt [plural verb] de terra Aegypti The hebrew: "'elleh (these) 'eloheka (your gods) yisrael (of israel) 'aser (that) he'eluka (brought [plural]) [...]" Now some versed in hebrew will know that the word for God, Elohim, is seemingly in the plural. Yet when used as a singular, the surrounding demonstratives, adjectives, and verbs will reflect that singular number, just as in English "these deer run" versus "this deer runs". The hebrew does not only use the plural of god, but also uses plural demonstratives (these) and plural verb endings. This distinction of the singular and plural uses of Elohim is maintained in every translation. So the verse is not a condemnation against using an image to worship the one true god. God himself gave instruction to build images in his tabernacle. The condemnation is that through the golden calf the israelites were attempting to return to their polytheistic ways, using the golden calf as a singular image as a loophole, a testing of God's commandments (and the Lord hates to be tested). That is ultimately the reason that the commandment against idolatry begins with the preface "thou shalt have no other gods besides me; for I the Lord your God am a jealous god".
I've seen movies and what not one depictions of the gospels but when I was young i was just watching them because that was what was happening even though I didn't pay the best attention, so when I got to be a pre old lady (at least in making effort to physically move) I didn't take watching those things as breaking a commandment because that was not in fact explained very well beyond "it's just a movie of what people think it was like but obviously it's just artistic interpretation" " viewer discretion advised" "use your best judgment" but I find that though there was failure in my upbringing with that so some degree, it was still fun to watch the prince of Egypt DreamWorks movie while comparing it to what was written in Exodus and wondering and just deciding they had too much fun with the artistic interpretation, eventhough DreamWorks isn't Christian so breaking then commandments was not going to be clear or important enough to not make the movie anyway, I still think if you are telling a story accuracy is key and most people can't do that in a movie. As far as wacth8ng the TV show goes I was told not to watch it because it wasn't accurate, not because it is affiliated with mormans on the grounds that God cares about Mormans and they are people too and the creator won't be using Mormanism in the show. He said the intent is not to make anyone or anything an Icon but that doesn't stop the human brain from subconsciously getting some very clear lines blurred, not that God can't make a movie or show about how things really happened all these years later and just leave it to the individual to discern and decide, but if you are worried about potentially breaking a commandment and don't agree with thinking that someone pretending to be Jesus is a form of worshipping in the wrong way then maybe just heavily scrutinize by comparing and contrasting what is in the bible with what you see being portrayed. That way you can be upset that Moses wasn't an old man in the second half of The Prince of Egypt and you can be glad that some of the music that gets stuck in your mind on loop randomly isn't cannon so it's not so bad to wish you never watched the movie in the first place.
ua-cam.com/video/vDhp9Ly1tzM/v-deo.htmlsi=QX8u7uA5KDYbVXuh Here's a video on the commandments incase you are worried about breaking them on a consistent basis.
The ACNA / TEC and the greater Church of England communion is Neo-Anglican. The low church is driven by the evangelicals (think Pres-Baptarians) and the high church is driven by the desire to look more Roman-ish / Ecumenical. The old ways before Vatican 2 but especially 1900 was to look at it this way: Anglicanism was moderately reformed in its doctrine but kept many traditional structures, some of the vestments, and the BCP was preserved. Low Churchman did not follow the BCP as closely while the old high churchman followed it to the letters of the rubrics, not necessarily bringing in tons of Roman ceremony. The PC USA and their Book of Common Worship is based on the CoE's Common Worship. I highly recommend you reach out to Peter Robinson, Arch Bishop of the United Episcopal Church in America. He grew up in England and is basically a walking history book of knowledge. I know it kills you inside not to be right, he will enlighten you far beyond anything you could ever ask for.
It's true that the episcopal structure of the church doesn't prevent liberalism by itself. But it's also false that it's somehow harder to resist theological liberalism than in Presbyterianism. The ACNA was largely formed when breakaway churches, led by straddled priests without bishops, were then re-gathered by African Anglican bishops who helped create a new province. So the episcopal structure means that, because "provinces" are artificial collections of dioceses, we can always appeal to conservative bishops in *some* part of the Anglican communion to help us out (since we actually are part of the same *visible* structure, organized by bishops, priests, and deacons). The ACNA is more of a new assemblage of dioceses in apostolic succession. Per Jerome--I argue why this is a wrong reading of history in my response to Gavin. Per Irenaeus, the bishops were instituted by the apostles. We argue that bishops are the ruling priests. This is why we consecrate bishops rather than ordain bishops; bishops are the priesthood perfected. So what the apostles instituted was a given form: a ruling priest who ruled over other priests, and summed up those other priests in himself. The *language* by which "bishop" came to denote "ruling priest" was a development, but not the form itself. Again, see my response to Gavin.
Re--regulative principle. The regulative principle isn't itself in the Bible, and everyone is actually making judgments that go beyond the regulative principle. For instance, some of your churches may use organs. Organs aren't in the Bible. "But music and hymns and instruments are"--okay, so you're extrapolating from Scripture to fulfill Scripture. Similarly, we would argue that practices which aren't in the Bible are good insofar as they help build the fruits of the Spirit. And we *all* do this in all areas of life--we all adopt extra-Biblical practices in order to (ideally) grow in our union with God through Jesus.
Hey, I dont think the middle way (via media) of Anglicanism between Reformed and Catholic is really a compromise. It is a middle way between two extremes but not a compromise
My first thought went to the 70s mini series "Jesus of Nazareth" I generally am not a fan of a lot of artistic depictions of Jesus and stuff like that, however if we are to "tell the story" I don't see a problem with a dramatization of that story. 😅
RZ is too scared to make a video about why he's not a member of Pastor Bob's Bible Church
Man, he is scared
He know Bob would destroy him. He will never debate Bob.
Who would win, Pastor Bob or Pastor Jim?
@@davidmckelvey2601But what about pastor Billy-Bob?
Because the only reason is that he(and everyone else who isn't a member) is a satanist trying to destroy the one true church(Pastor Bob's Bible Church)
Name the parrot John McCawthur
John Macawthur
That’s actually pretty fire
PLEASEEEEE MAKE THIS HAPPEN
Three-Self Parrotic movement
John MacArthur is the Taylor Marshal of Calvinism.
Is this an insult or a compliment.
As an Episcopalian, i'll clue you in on the real historic Anglican position. Anyone more reformed than me is too protestant, and anyone more anglo-catholic than me is too Catholic. As we can see from this analysis, I hold the true real and historic position of right and proper English Protestantism.
Facts
It is not all subjective, there is real history we can look at. The 39 Articles and the rest of the Formularies make it clear we are firmly Protestant and lean towards the continental Reformed. The 19th century Oxford Movement headed up by a guy who is now a Roman Catholic saint tried to rewrite history. I personally like the Anglo-Catholics, but they are not the historic position.
@@clivejungle6999 That's why I made a joke, not a serious statement of belief.
@@josephlockey6098 Look at your first reply, people will indeed take your joke seriously and as an admission of subjectivity. That is why I replied. It is really an historical question anyway, it is not about personal belief.
@clivejungle6999 I appreciate you replying to inform others, I figured the statement is so absurd that people would get the joke. Thanks for clarity for others though, it is important, especially for the Anglican tradition.
First Redeemed Zoomer was a closeted Catholic
Then he was a closeted Lutheran
Now he’s a closeted Anglican
Closeted Southern Baptist Redeemed Zoomer when??
No no no closeted traditional Methodist next
@@justanotheraccount5556I hope
Imagine closeted Oriental Orthodox RZ
@@justanotheraccount5556Then Closeted Baptist - though, probably not Southern Baptist.
Closeted Three Self Patriotic Movement when?
Bro.
Thanks to you i came back to Christ.
I am catholic.
God bless
I grew up Presbyterian USA and became ACNA a few months ago. I absolutely love our denomination and I’m so happy that I found our church!
Welcome on board!
Based. But why did you go Anglican over a different Presby denomination?
Because people would keep spamming you with “fat man divorce”
I mean… when the whole church was founded because of fat man divorce, it’s kinda hard not to.
@@John_the_PaulGod sent a weak man and gave him power to free us, and made him need us
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The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (1847) and the Southern Baptist Convention (1845) are the only two large historic denominations in the U.S. that successfully fought and drove out theological liberalism.
CRCNA is currently doing it, kicking out affirming churches
Funny.. I grew up LCMS and am now Baptist
@@MatthewN07 Right on! A very small, yet historic denomination (founded 1857).
@@runictellings1536 Curious, why did you leave the Lutheran Church?
Cause we already have @Young_Anglican.
As a southern Baptist I feel dissed
Any Baptist who watches redeemed zoomer has to be used to the hate by now lol
@@TheRoarkhow is it hate when it’s true
As a Southerner, I feel baptised 😌
I left the sbc the other day when they basically abandoned the Nicene Creed
@GospelOverCulture Wdym?
Being called a Southern Baptist is such a diss 💀💀💀
Unironically.
That's why your Churches keep falling to liberalism - disgruntled Southern Baptist
Unlike Presbyterians, Baptist are successfully resisting the liberal theologians that took over protestant churches.
Like how can you not accept the Nicene Creed? They’re actually pretty cool most of the time
RZ is such a tsundere for Anglicanism 😂 he's 5 minutes from being Anglican.
How should i present the Reconquista movement to my church elders? My church is on the brink of leaving the PCUSA and are becoming retreatists
Explain that that’s what conservatives always do and it’s what they always lose
@@redeemedzoomer6053Explain that’s what
You don’t need that that’s.
@@zacharyahearn4069he means that is WHAT conservatives always do and it never works
@@Jhd306ck I am just saying you never need “that that”, or “that that’s” when writing a sentence. The word that implies direction or identification.
After the Why I’m not series you should make why I am Reformed
He should do a plot twist for the last two videos, "Why I'm not Reformed", and then, a couple weeks later, the final video in the series, "Why I'm Catholic"
Really the main reason for the 2 year old Anglican church plant I go to is cause there were no Anglican congregations close by. Only 2 years in and we've already come a long way! It was really needed in the community!
I am very confused on why you would accept any council based on your criteria. The first council of Nicaea was called by an emperor to address the Arian heresy and barely quoted any scripture. I think you would need to think of a better argument to deny the 7th ecumenical council because the one you gave is not sufficient
Agreed. RZ's argument here is like quicksand. Why believe any council or creed instead of solo scriptura otherwise?
Holy Heretic has been very quiet since this dropped
You give a good characterization of Anglicanism, especially highlighting its tendency toward compromise and lack of doctrinal consensus. I used to be Anglican (ACNA), but these weaknesses in part contributed to me becoming confessional Lutheran (LCMS).
Fun Fact: this is the grand finale to the three self Patriotic Movement because zoomer said three self was "Anglicanism but Chinese"
I'm not being antagonistic, I'm genuinely curious: If St. Ignatius says to follow the bishop as Christ follows His Father, in what way can we reasonably say his opinion on church structure is unclear? 11:40 or so. And if the episcopal structure developed that quickly and was the norm for THAT long, can we really reasonably think this is out of step with apostolic thought? Genuinely curious of the reformed perspective.
Yeah if it developed that fast it’s almost certain the apostles put it in place
The issue is in presupposing that when Ignatius says "bishop", he's talking about the actual episcopal office as defined in churches with an episcopal polity today. Paul uses the word bishop interchangeably with the word presbyter, and Clement for instance speaks of the two offices of bishop and deacon, before later using bishop and presbyter interchangeably. The terms themselves were not distinct or clearly defined in any way in the early church. And indeed, when we see Ignatius describe the office of bishop, he is speaking of it as an office of one person that has local jurisdiction over one congregation. This isn't what a bishop is defined as today - bishops have a regional, diocesan authority over multiple congregations. Ignatius' description of bishop is closer to that of a senior pastor or ruling elder.
As for your second question, firstly the episcopate as understood today wasn't developed quickly, but as other developments in the church took place slowly and was adopted in some places before others. I don't think you can assume that developments cannot take place within a 200-year timespan. Secondly, just because the Church has developed the ordained ministry from what was present at the apostles, doesn't mean that development is necessarily bad or must be removed straightaway. Jerome for instance, while recognizing that the episcopate was a development, still said that presbyters should submit to their bishops, yet bishops should be mindful that "if they are set over the presbyters, it is the result of tradition, and not by the fact of a particular institution by the Lord."
@@boredgirl7418but St. Ignatius has a three fold office already. What he means by bishop is what people who believe in the episcopacy mean by bishop. It’s evident from his letters themselves.
@@boredgirl7418 Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I appreciate grappling with the issue rather than deflecting, so thank you! To offer light push back: are we sure that the term "bishop" in St Ignatius was strictly used for one man on one congregation? I think it's obvious that even Paul's letters, while addressed to a specific church, are largely intended for the many churches in a city or region. Can't Ignatius be directing a letter to "The bishop of the church in Smyrna" and that encompass several churches within Smyrna under one episcopate? Also, I understand the danger of funneling all our ideas through one lens of Ignatius or Jerome, but again the point that gives me pause is that the 3 fold office, as RZ mentioned, was universal from second century until the Reformation. Wouldn't it be outthinking ourselves to then reject this structure on the grounds that it isn't apostolic enough? Definitely open to push back on anything here.
bro your inventory is so unorganised is making me mad 😭🙏🏻
Facts and he plays Minecraft so inefficently
@@louannebvb No time to play minecraft when one needs to explain reformed theology
@@louannebvb trueeee
Great video, love the work you're doing. Keep it up! A lot of good information here showing understanding not only of your denomination, but also others. One point which I do disagree is when you speak of only worshiping God in ways that the Bible says to. I would say that this contradicts Colossians 3:17 which states "Whatever you do in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father." This verse is stating that everything we do should be a form of worship. Yes, singing songs of praise, fellowshipping with other believers, and communion are all great forms of worship which we should all do, but that's only touching the surface. Through doing using the abilities which God has granted us to the best of our abilities and using those talents to serve those around us, we are worshiping God. It's not limited by any scripture, rather encouraged through scripture to bring it into every aspect of our lives.
literally just listened to the og vid for the first time this morning
I’m going to become ACNA in the near future. I would go Episcopalian but the local Episcopalian churches are off the mark, and I’ve vetted the local ACNA church and they’re solid. I will be attending a mainline Episcopalian church when in college though, since that one is on the RZ map and I vetted them to confirm.
ACNA, so long as its one of the GAFCON Affiliated Churches connected to REC and FCE, are sound as a Pound.
@simeonyves5940 Gotcha. Just doubled checked, the one I’ll be joining is GAFCON affiliated.
@@hismajesty6272 Brilliant! enjoy the Sound Biblical Teaching and the Wonderful Worship :)
@simeonyves5940 Will do man. God bless.
The Anglican Province of America is where it's at. Better than GAFCON
My biggest issue with Anglicanism (aside from its founding) is that there's no doctrinal unity. Anglicanism allows for such a wide range of beliefs, you can believe virtually anything and still be part of the Anglican church.
Now that I think about it, Anglicanism, in many ways, can be considered the first non-denominational church as they're the first group to not require adherence to a set of specific doctrines aside from the "basics" of Christianity.
I actually kind of like their big tent style because they can preserve communion with other believers of different understandings within one church structure
@MatthewBrender-lr3jk right, and I consider glossing over significant theological differences for the sake of a so-called unity to be a weakness.
It's true that there was a church in England prior to becoming under Rome's jurisdiction, but the Anglican church of the Reformation was certainly founded by King Henry XIII.
@MatthewBrender-lr3jk yeah, they tell themselves that to cope. Their motives during the Reformation was not simply to return to the pre-roman church of England. And their theology is different as well.
@MatthewBrender-lr3jk that I agree with.
The Anglican church is by far my favourite denomination if i was to ever fully return to Christianity it would be as a Anglican 😊
Wait a minute you're not Christian? And why would you want to be Anglican?
Hi
@@ThebasedheriticI'm agnostic
@@ThebasedheriticAnglicanism to me has everything I love about christianity it has a very catholic aesthetic (for obvious reasons) which how can you not love old gothic and medevial church's?,with gorgeous stain glass windows and it has all of this without the overbearing authority of the catholic church it just has a far more friendly feel to it and a more laided back nature😊
Please do! We'd love to have you
Excellent! I have been awaiting this.
I love the in game problem solving going on as you are explaining these relatively complex topics
If the regulative principle were true, Christ would have observed it during his life. We know Christ engaged in worship in synagogues. Such worship is not commanded in the Old Testament. Therefore, Christ did not observe the regulative principle. Therefore, the regulative principle is false.
I think perhaps the regulative principle should be used for the fundamentals of orthopraxy and liturgy, but does not need to be followed for components that flow from that. Agree or disagree?
@@justanotheraccount5556 I don’t understand you well enough to agree or disagree.
@@bryanwalters9574 Fair enough. Just an idea I have, but it's not something I've thought through to a conclusion. Maybe a better way to put it would be use the regulative principle to define what the essentials of worship are, but then the normative principle is applicable to secondary components? I'm just not sure if this is an inconsistent position though.
@@justanotheraccount5556 I think what you just described is basically the normative principle.
Then why there was the iconography in early church catacombs in iii or as early as in the end off ii century?
“A Baptist Church from the 1800s looks so much more like gothic Cathedral then a Catholic Church built in 2010”
This is factually incorrect, Catholic architecture has actually gotten really good and traditionalist over the last 20 years or so
Your music is getting so good actually
This is the best channel on UA-cam ty for this
Altar calls are also very unsettling. Especially for people who’ve already made professions of faith. They make you doubt instead of giving assurance. I answered lots of altar calls when I was a kid cause no one made it clear that it should only happen once.
Damn...the beginning got respect for Anglicanism killed as soon as possible, including an at least A tier burn. Rare win for a Calvin minion.
I feel a draw towards Anglicanism. I'm English so I feel a kinship their, but other than that I'm a monarchist, and I'm struggle to reconcile my Presbyterian polity with monarchy.
If I took a picture of Jesus during the second coming, would I be violating the Second Commandment?
“You shall not make” not “you shall not take”😉
the second commandment forbids making graven images and likenesses UNTO THEE.
if its just a pictoral, non graven representation of Jesus, its not violaating the second commandment.
@@gambalomboso is my crucifix a sin? It has a metal Jesus
@@Bandikit don't venerate it or worship it. It's just a reminder of Jesus' real sacrifice.
@@dreadshells5611Nothing wrong with respecting the Crucifix, it represents the Lord Jesus Christ.
Friendly Counter-argument: The Chosen is pretty a pretty entertaining show and it has directly led to an increased interest in Christianity among people I know (we're all zoomers). These are people that have since converted to Christianity and accepted Christ into their heart. Are we really going to throw the baby out with the bathwater and treat Jesus like he's Muhammad or something? We're tasked with spreading the good news and zoomers hate reading.
I've watched it twice with my friends, and I would pause at times to explain the textual biblical accounts (I've read the bible ofc) portrayed in the show to clear up any possible confusion or discrepancies. When watched in this way, I believe it can be an effective resource as my experience has proved to me. One of my converted friends has even bought a bible of their own and is reading through it faster than I did; coming to me with questions about scripture every day!
Love your vids btw, Zoomer. You helped me a heck of a lot in bringing me back to the faith - God bless you and this community
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I will stand by Pristina until the very end (iykyk)
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@@Bandikit 🫡
The second commandment is to not make any graven images of God. People kiss the icons and ask the saints to pray for them, well you kiss your family and ask them to pray for you too. This is the Orthodox Defense which is true and solid. There is no focus on the saints in prayer nor are you praying to them. You pray to God and there’s a little note at the end of the prayer of who to ask to pray for you after you’ve already completed your prayer to God.
Listening to theology while watching someone play Minecraft. What more enjoyable and entertaining content can you watch. 😀
I am a Presbyterian and I agree there are too many "John MacArthur" fanboys and fangirls. However, I am not sure if anyone from PCUSA can criticize John MacArthur or any other "reformed" Baptists considering how they allowed the Apostasy. That's "The pot calling the kettle black" or as Jesus said "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye".
I'm Anglican because i believe our Kingship replaces the Davidic line
That the great Anglican cathedral replaced the second temple.
That the apostolic succession of our priests are the replacement of a Levites.
And that the Anglo-Saxons conquered Britain to resemble the Israelite conquest of Canaan.
That isn't to say other Christian sects are wrong or other ethnicities don't have a place.
But the mirrors and parallels between Judaism and Anglicanism exists and i feel that as the venerable Bede says, Jews and Gentiles (of all races) can know Christ.
So why am i not Catholic?
Because King > Pope.
I respect the position of popes though because of Peter succession.
Just as some Orthodox priests have succession from other apostles of Christ.
My Anglicanism comes with very monarchal positions
Fritz Imperial has a great video "Why i am a monarchist"
And Sacred Kingship video "The Biblical case for Monarchy"
I am very influenced by British Christian practices of Anglicanism but also the local pre reformation British rite of Catholicism and the old Celtic Church of Britain (which has problems but what doesn't)
And im not Methodist but I respect Methodists.
I am sadden that liberalism has grossly influenced the episcopal structure.
Btw we had a Episcopal structure since the 200s AD. The longevity as respected as it is seemed to work.
If not preserved by God himself.
Nothing i'm saying btw is disrespectful to your opinion or position.
I respect Presbyterianism which is a influential denomination today. And also comes from a imported Calvinist tradition influenced by British Christianity practices.
Cool
@@alfieingrouille1528 why?
So you are a believer in British Israelism?
@@couriersix7326 spiritually, as a substitution, yes.
Biologically. No.
Anglo-Saxons are not the biological seed of Abraham let alone Jacob but of Japheth.
I believe that British Christianity best replaced Judaism. Or a better evolved continuity.
I don't believe the English are descendants of Israelites.
Biological Israel are the Christians from Lebanon and Palestine. Lebanese and Palestinian Christians descend from Jews that followed Jesus.
Aren't they by deduction the Israelites of Christianity?
I think the English are used as a theological and historical gentile version of Judaism by showcasing God aids Christians as much as Jews.
As I said with Bede, both Jews and gentiles and of any race and denomination are valid
British-Israelism is heresy as it's racist towards non whites and thinks the gospel isn't for all mankind. And most of its adherents are Baptists which is a terrible denomination.
@@couriersix7326 demon UA-cam deleted my comment
22:53: Hanukkah is found in the Apacrapha and Hanukkah has merit to it - it was dedication to the temple after they took it by from the Greeks who defiled it.
Christmas however is a problem because of possible paganisic practices within it. The argument for Christmas being pagan is often dismissed by a lot of Christian scholars and they say there's not proof, but the argument for celebrating it and saying it is a Godly Holiday isn't convincing either - this also applies to Easter, Valentine's Day, and Halloween (Christians are usually willing to dismiss Halloween though).
The problem isn't the holidays themselves, it's about doing traditions of man over the what God tells us - even saying that they are of God. Christmas is way to similar to the holiday of Yule and around the Winter Solstice, it's too much if a coincidence and people SHOULD be concerned. Y'all forgot about that holiday that was going on during Jeremiah's days, have y'all? Christmas isn't exactly the same as thar holiday, but there's a parallel and it's a concern.
By their fruits shall you know them:
Have icons done more harm than good, on the whole? We can actually take The Chosen as a good example of this: it's been a sensation, and has even lead more than one person back to God, while not pushing anyone in particular AWAY from the church.
If I may offer a bit of loving criticism (which may be foolish given I don't know you): you're a brilliant young man, very logical, and VERY left-brained. You need to connect more with the more emotional, right-brained side of religious experience--images, feelings, art, the esoteric and mystical.
Esoteric? Mystical? Cringe. The art? I'm literally a classical musician and am obsessed with churches being pretty enough. I just think we need to RESTRICT art to what's BIBLICAL
As a Catholic who loves a reformer
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Can y’all stop pounding on a kid
What do you think about possible union if orthodox amd catholic church in 2025 as pope wants some ecumenical event...
Won't happen
Unlikely. To be in communion with Rome means to accept the Pope as supreme bishop over the church and his infallibility. Two things the East strongly disagrees with.
It would be a miracle if it happend
In the episcopal church, the laity has a lot of representation. There's a half-joke in the church that we have to have episcopal polity because who else is gonna confirm us.
Hi can you make a vid on different Catholic rites love your vids
I like it! 💀
@brushychuteshatco that's not how you use the skull emoji
@@alfieingrouille1528The flag
Clavin Robinson is not old catholic but part of the Anglican communion outside of England (the greater communion of anglicans)
Nevermind I was wrong lol didn’t know he left that to be old catholic
I don't know. Conflating coveting your neighbor's things and coveting your neighbor's wife as the same thing kinda makes it sound like you think wives are objects or possessions. I don't think that's what you think. I would just be careful with that sort of thing.
Reformed Anglican here. Alternative title : "4 reasons I'm wrong"
😂In all seriousness; great video though. Love your content Zoomer, keep it up!
I'd quibble with you about icons & prayers "to" the saints. To clarify - saints on their own don't have some sort of divine power beyond what anyone else as a christians already has - we're not ascribing idolatrous worship to them. Prayers "to" the saints are not worship or asking for help in the same ways that prayers to God directly are; we're doing something different. We're simply asking a fellow christian - one who is in a higher state of closeness to God & holiness than we currently are - to pray to God on our behalf. Which we as christians do for each other in life all the time, whenever we ask people or our church to pray for us - especially if we ask pastors to pray for us. And we know the saints are aware of what is happening on earth & are able to pray for us based on passages in the epistles of St. Paul & in Revelation where their prayers for the earth are described as rising like incense to the throne of God.
If you pray via saints how are you Reformed Anglican and not Anglo-Catholic? That sounds pretty Anglo-Catholic to me.
@@IamGrimalkin It certainly does! I'm no priest, so take my perspective with a grain of salt; but I'd say the distinction lies primarily in whether or not it should be held as dogma. Anglo-Catholics view issues such as prayers to the saints, as part of the (very roman) traditional, historical church that we MUST reform to (and usually tend to lean a lot more roman on their theological views as a result).
Reformists say that they're wrong; that the ACTUAL historical church was one in which christians were okay with divine mysteries and having very different experiences from one another (a lot more like the eastern church). As a rule we generally do not REQUIRE anyone believe anything beyond what scripture teaches is necessary for salvation (which I should note, is also clearly explained and defined by the Articles of Religion within the Book of Common Prayer.) As such, Reformists can believe in prayers to the saints and still be perfectly comfortable being in communion with low-church anglicans (or any other christians) who do not; we simply acknowledge that God reveals himself to our brothers and sisters in vastly different ways at times; and try to be gracious & give each other the benefit of the doubt when differences do arise.
Please we need more Anglicans in the Western States of the US! ✝️🇺🇲
Hell yeah
Yep
Agreed!
Oh boy if Redeemed Zoomer is low church what was my church in the 90's..........
The least Anglican thing about me is i am also a iconoclast to a extent.
Jesus, The Father and the holy ghost should not be depicted.
But i have no problem with icons of Saints and Disciples.
Your not going to hell because you erect a statue of Mary or Peter or George or whoever.
As for praying to the saints it's only from articulation and vocabulary.
If you talk to a saint like you ask your grandma to pray for you than it's not heretical.
Even if it's impractical I'd say it's not heretical.
But if you give them so much intercession to the point where you treat them as like a lesser god than i understand respectably why people think we shouldn't have art of biblical figures.
Do you think a statue of king David will send you to hell?
I agree that the second council was kind of iffy. But the thing is the ark of the covenant had to pictures of angels on it. God said for them to make images of Angels on it. And graven images Or false gods the golden calf was a false God the Israelites were not worshiping the Lord they were worshiping something else.
I’d also have to say that having icons helps humans understand what God is in gives them a way to view a glimpse of heaven. And also is a heat sink. If we can’t imagine what God is at all we’re not making things up and becoming weird. Often times you find God it’s starting to become you or humans instead of God himself. So icons help us keep rooted
Thanks! Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Redeemed Zoomer please make more videos on Evangelical churches please!
Ehhhhh I think Cranmer might be a middle way between Lutheran and Reformed.
Sir Zoomer I need some advice. Im in a non denominational church right now, as there are no other real and good churches around me, but ive gotten so used to how non denominational churches work that I cant place my finger on which denomination to go to. I watched your video and im thinking congregational? Thanks man, love your videos!
Congregational is good as long as they baptize infants
@@redeemedzoomer6053why are you so adamant on that?
@@alfieingrouille1528 Because infant baptism is the correct and Biblical belief. Credobaptists are very widespread in America and need to be countered.
@@alfieingrouille1528 infant baptism is that of gentile profession of faith.
Like circumcision was for the Jews.
@couriersix7326 john the baptist and jesus were baptised until they were adults
Hey Zoomer, could you do a video about Molinism? I heard InspiringPhilosophy mention he was a molinist on one of his streams and it seems like a middle ground between Calvinism and Arminianism. Curious what your thoughts/critiques would be.
I watch IP and I remember him explaining it in the context of the omnipotence/omjiscience paradox, where a God that knows and does everything can willingly cede sovereignty to one of His own in the form if a choice, and in the form of freedom of choice=/=maximal autonomy; whilst still being sovereign, omnipotent and omniscient
I don’t really know what Molinism is but Arminius’ Arminianism is between new Arminianism and Calvinism from what I understand
Made a video about Anglicans yet spent the majority of time making fun of John MacArthur and praying to saints.
I'm gonna push back on the worship point. The normative principle of worship is simply that if something isn't against scripture, than its acceptable. Your representation of it wasn't very accurate. Other than that, this was a good video, although I still remained convinced of Anglicanism
24:56 why does the background music go so hard here
It’s a track I wrote called “Iconoclasm”
@@redeemedzoomer6053you did an amazing job
Also I’d like to add if you where to remake the theologian tier list where would you put Beza since you changed your views on predestination
Here in Hungary the Reformed Church has a Bishop. Recently their bishop got into a political scandal, causing dissent and harm to the church.
(There's a big painting of John Knox at he local Hungarian Reformed Church. I asked the pastor who that man was on the painting, because he didn't seem like John Calvin. She said that it was surely Calvin. Turns out it was John Knox. Had they listend to Knox, they wouldn't have a scandalous bishop now.)
Love your videos. Recently subbed. Is there any chance you could make a video about Christian’s and gaming? As I am also an enjoyer of Minecraft, but has stopped playing certain games because of overly graphic content I just.. don’t enjoy anymore. Thank you and God bless ✝️
Yo this is kinda random but i just thought about it and your channel is perfect for this. Dont know if youll see this comment, but if you do, could you consider doing one of those explanation videos you do as summarized but for some of CS Lewis’s books please?
This is a brilliant satire
5:00 Theological Liberalism is also why people deny a global flood and accept 'Theistic Evolution' which RZ does. Seems inconsistent.
I’m considering converting to either Lutheranism or Anglicanism but am worried that if Catholicism or Orthodoxy is definitely the one true church, that I’ll go to hell, so Pascal’s wager is sort of telling me to just become an apostolic Christian, any advice to get over this feeling?
Convert to Orthodoxy lol
Seriously though, you should go to an Orthodox parish and speak with a priest. A conversion shouldn’t be a mental exercise
I suggest keep praying and learning about all these faiths and talk to people trained in those faiths to give you their input. God is already leading you closer to him, keep discerning.
Read the Word, don't make this decision based on feels.
RZ why should anyone become reformed? I always struggle with your videos because it seems as though Protestantism is a confederation of social clubs rather than the church of Christ. All these denominations have very different positions on seemingly important theological issues.
Protestantism isn’t a denomination or a church it’s just an umbrella term. Reformed IS a denomination that has CLEAR beliefs about EVERYTHING
@@redeemedzoomer6053 sorry if my comment wasn’t clear, more confused about the ecumenical nature of Protestantism, for example you accept churches that participate in icon veneration? Idk how to broach this idea of invisible church, what’s the end goal of Christ’s mission, that all the world will be reformed and Christ will rein over a reformed kingdom? I don’t see that happening or really being the direction the reformed movement is taking.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 "everything"
I'm pretty sure it doesn't say anything about fossil fuel.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682Every “important” theological issue
@@Weavileiscool you don't understand sarcasm
The Roman Catholic Church still the best job resisting. I think even more so than the protestant denominations in the USA, the Catholic Church was under attack from liberalism from the inside. If you look at a lot of what was going on in the Catholic Church from the 60s to 90s, it was heavily liberal the clergy and all that were very liberal. But the top was conservative and a lot of the people who are conservative in the pews stayed. Now even with Pope Francis I would argue we say that the conservatives are very much winning. Meanwhile low church groups like the Baptist or slowly descending into nondenominational ism which is just a mess.
Zoomer, what’s your opinion on the Fallen Kingdom series? Do you think the kingdom could potentially be Christian since the flag has a cross on it?
I disagree on your interpretation of the first and second commandments. The first commandment is about how we should orient ourselves towards the highest deal, and not confuse God for lesser powers. The second commandment is about how we should not seek salvation outside of God, looking towards institutions, technology, or anything else for salvation is the creation of false idols.
RZ you wouldn’t want to join my Anglican Church… we have contemporary music! 😱
yes I would never want to join a church with disgusting music like that
You need to go to a traditional Anglo-Catholic church that follows the 1928 BCP. Look for Churches under the APA (Anglican Province of America)
@@a.ihistory5879 I’m fine with the music, actually! And as I don’t live in America…
As a slight conservative southern baptist in asia, yeah, I kinda love you lol.
the golden calf was not a misguided worship of the one true god. They wished to return to egypt to worship molech (who is described as a calf of bull) and rejected Moses and God.
zoomer why did you ban the British Copt? there is an actual church called the British Orthodox Church that was part of the Coptic Orthodox Church but was granted autochephaly by said Church (like the Ethiopian Church actually) and you banned him for larping he was not larping he was just having a bad time of where he lives
I banned him cuz he's not a Copt, nor does he attend any Orthodox church
They're not in communion with the pope of alexandria since 2015.
@@redeemedzoomer6053I love that you’re so unapologetic to larpers. They are tolerated way too much in online Christian communities.
@@ObliviAce i was giving example
@@redeemedzoomer6053 when i was on he said i have attended a coptic church and how do you define a Copt? just any oriental orthodox from egypt?
If Trent Horn admits that the episcopate is a development, then he can't keep saying that the papacy is apostolic.
The actual anglican argument for bishops and the 3 fold ministry is that bishops replace the leadership duties of the Apostles. The Apostles acting as bishops in the early church literally affirms episcopal government, and you can see as early as clement and Ignatius that this polity is in fact the immediate use in the church.
And then bro's other argument of "uh it's not good cuz it makes things hard." I guess God made everything that was right really easy
Still waiting for the Why I’m not Three Self Patriotic Movement vid
I have a genuine question, RZ was going on a tangent about the regulative principle of worship, and he talked about how important it is to worship Yahweh the right way. Well, using Church of Christ tactics (which by the way, I steongly disagree with), why would there be any instruments at all in a church? God never commanded us in the new testament to worship with instruments, but he did command us to sing. I would say that using instruments isn't necessarily adding to the Lord's command to sing (which was in Ephesians I believe?), but if we're supposed to be careful, why use instruments?
RPCNA Presbyterians don’t use instruments for this reason
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Thank you!
I wish the Presbyterian churches in my area weren't all super woke. I'd like to attend one to try it out. I'm the more I learn about the S. Baptist Convention the more I want to try something else. Nearest PCUSA on your map is like 2.5 hours away. I have a big PCUSA church in town but it's got a lesbian pastor.
Maybe look for a PCA church. It’s not ideal but gotta make due with what you have on the table.
Why make a distinction based on style when proper understanding of the scripture is far more important? Im genuinely confused.
What do you mean?
Do you have a discord I can join? I’m about to go to seminary and looking to get closer with people who have more knowledge about this stuff.
Why I'm not Anglican: Henry VIII's wives not bearing a son is no reason to allow divorce. It is built on blasphemy.
"They were trying to worship the one true god through the calf" except that they weren't. All of the translations use a plural noun. They tried to instill the pantheon of previous gods into one symbol.
4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
quas cum ille accepisset formavit opere fusorio et fecit ex eis vitulum conflatilem dixeruntque hii sunt dii [plural] tui Israhel qui te eduxerunt [plural verb] de terra Aegypti
The hebrew: "'elleh (these) 'eloheka (your gods) yisrael (of israel) 'aser (that) he'eluka (brought [plural]) [...]"
Now some versed in hebrew will know that the word for God, Elohim, is seemingly in the plural. Yet when used as a singular, the surrounding demonstratives, adjectives, and verbs will reflect that singular number, just as in English "these deer run" versus "this deer runs". The hebrew does not only use the plural of god, but also uses plural demonstratives (these) and plural verb endings. This distinction of the singular and plural uses of Elohim is maintained in every translation.
So the verse is not a condemnation against using an image to worship the one true god. God himself gave instruction to build images in his tabernacle. The condemnation is that through the golden calf the israelites were attempting to return to their polytheistic ways, using the golden calf as a singular image as a loophole, a testing of God's commandments (and the Lord hates to be tested).
That is ultimately the reason that the commandment against idolatry begins with the preface "thou shalt have no other gods besides me; for I the Lord your God am a jealous god".
Could you make a video about why you reject the Catholic views on the Eucharist? They believe theirs is the true Eucharist
I've seen movies and what not one depictions of the gospels but when I was young i was just watching them because that was what was happening even though I didn't pay the best attention, so when I got to be a pre old lady (at least in making effort to physically move) I didn't take watching those things as breaking a commandment because that was not in fact explained very well beyond "it's just a movie of what people think it was like but obviously it's just artistic interpretation" " viewer discretion advised" "use your best judgment" but I find that though there was failure in my upbringing with that so some degree, it was still fun to watch the prince of Egypt DreamWorks movie while comparing it to what was written in Exodus and wondering and just deciding they had too much fun with the artistic interpretation, eventhough DreamWorks isn't Christian so breaking then commandments was not going to be clear or important enough to not make the movie anyway, I still think if you are telling a story accuracy is key and most people can't do that in a movie. As far as wacth8ng the TV show goes I was told not to watch it because it wasn't accurate, not because it is affiliated with mormans on the grounds that God cares about Mormans and they are people too and the creator won't be using Mormanism in the show. He said the intent is not to make anyone or anything an Icon but that doesn't stop the human brain from subconsciously getting some very clear lines blurred, not that God can't make a movie or show about how things really happened all these years later and just leave it to the individual to discern and decide, but if you are worried about potentially breaking a commandment and don't agree with thinking that someone pretending to be Jesus is a form of worshipping in the wrong way then maybe just heavily scrutinize by comparing and contrasting what is in the bible with what you see being portrayed. That way you can be upset that Moses wasn't an old man in the second half of The Prince of Egypt and you can be glad that some of the music that gets stuck in your mind on loop randomly isn't cannon so it's not so bad to wish you never watched the movie in the first place.
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Here's a video on the commandments incase you are worried about breaking them on a consistent basis.
Reformed baptists are from the Reformed tradition. They are descended from the Puritans and Presbyterian separatists. We can call ourselves reformed
Do you do sacrements/eucharist/communion/whatever the fuck like Presbyterians do?
No ❤
@@redeemedzoomer6053 exactly
The ACNA / TEC and the greater Church of England communion is Neo-Anglican. The low church is driven by the evangelicals (think Pres-Baptarians) and the high church is driven by the desire to look more Roman-ish / Ecumenical.
The old ways before Vatican 2 but especially 1900 was to look at it this way: Anglicanism was moderately reformed in its doctrine but kept many traditional structures, some of the vestments, and the BCP was preserved.
Low Churchman did not follow the BCP as closely while the old high churchman followed it to the letters of the rubrics, not necessarily bringing in tons of Roman ceremony.
The PC USA and their Book of Common Worship is based on the CoE's Common Worship.
I highly recommend you reach out to Peter Robinson, Arch Bishop of the United Episcopal Church in America. He grew up in England and is basically a walking history book of knowledge.
I know it kills you inside not to be right, he will enlighten you far beyond anything you could ever ask for.
It's true that the episcopal structure of the church doesn't prevent liberalism by itself. But it's also false that it's somehow harder to resist theological liberalism than in Presbyterianism. The ACNA was largely formed when breakaway churches, led by straddled priests without bishops, were then re-gathered by African Anglican bishops who helped create a new province. So the episcopal structure means that, because "provinces" are artificial collections of dioceses, we can always appeal to conservative bishops in *some* part of the Anglican communion to help us out (since we actually are part of the same *visible* structure, organized by bishops, priests, and deacons). The ACNA is more of a new assemblage of dioceses in apostolic succession.
Per Jerome--I argue why this is a wrong reading of history in my response to Gavin. Per Irenaeus, the bishops were instituted by the apostles. We argue that bishops are the ruling priests. This is why we consecrate bishops rather than ordain bishops; bishops are the priesthood perfected. So what the apostles instituted was a given form: a ruling priest who ruled over other priests, and summed up those other priests in himself. The *language* by which "bishop" came to denote "ruling priest" was a development, but not the form itself. Again, see my response to Gavin.
Re--regulative principle. The regulative principle isn't itself in the Bible, and everyone is actually making judgments that go beyond the regulative principle. For instance, some of your churches may use organs. Organs aren't in the Bible. "But music and hymns and instruments are"--okay, so you're extrapolating from Scripture to fulfill Scripture.
Similarly, we would argue that practices which aren't in the Bible are good insofar as they help build the fruits of the Spirit. And we *all* do this in all areas of life--we all adopt extra-Biblical practices in order to (ideally) grow in our union with God through Jesus.
@@anglicanaestheticsWhat is your response to this video on RZ Being an iconoclast and that the second council of nicaea was in error?
Hey, I dont think the middle way (via media) of Anglicanism between Reformed and Catholic is really a compromise. It is a middle way between two extremes but not a compromise
PLEASE give us the link to the denominations quiz you took. I can’t find any good ones
What about Passion Plays? Those depict Jesus as well.
My first thought went to the 70s mini series "Jesus of Nazareth" I generally am not a fan of a lot of artistic depictions of Jesus and stuff like that, however if we are to "tell the story" I don't see a problem with a dramatization of that story. 😅
Please do a video on the Shepard of hermas
Zoomer, your favorite European country?
Probably based Slovakia
Hes already stated its Czechia and loves prauge
Hes already stated its Czechia and loves prauge
@@SouICoffin Good choice
@@JoWilliams-ud4eu Slovakia preety good ngl, crossed the border with them once accidentally while mountain hiking.
@redeemedzoomer what are your thoughts on ruling v teaching elder?
We need X amount of reasons why you aren't Three-Person Patriot
Anglicans are in no way closeted Southern Baptists. Anglicans by there own admission are just slightly removed from the Roman Catholic Church