Oh hell yeah! I have watched Changing Seasons so many times but didn't realise you had this behind the scenes. Good tips on mounting the mic to the bike for separate audio. In my head, I was trying to work out a way to record audio from the camera's perspective as it travelled down the zip line, but I think that would be way too difficult to get clean audio. This is a much better approach and it works so well. Thanks for your help!
Hey man, great video and great results ! I know this video has been out for a while so I don’t know if you’re gonna be reading this but I have a question about shutter speed Like do you stick to the standard « double the frame rate » or if you adjust depending on the speed of the rider etc.. ? Would love to know more about that
Cheers, thanks for watching. I generally shoot with a 180 degree shutter angle which will always be the equivalent shutter speed of double the frame rate. There are very rare occasions that I might make the shutter faster for a specific creative feel but I do that less than 1% of the time.
The film making process makes the raw film even more epic! Thanks so much for sharing. This video was absolutely fascinating to me as both a mountain bike and videography enthusiasts! So glad you shared. Also, thanks for sharing the sound capture strategy as well. Audio is something I want to improve on for my own filming.
Glad you found it interesting and I hope you can put the sound capture method to use! It's a nice low tech solution that gets the job done. Thanks for watching!
So good to see true artists given the time and resources to produce video like this. This shows you how hard and time consuming it is to accomplish this.
Just wanted to add 10/10 Scott & your team of collaborators. Many TALK (review gear & pitch selling gear for companies) FEW DO. You’re a doer & it shows- getting out in the field & making it work day after day - that takes massive commitment to the project. I love the fact that you show film makers & content creators all the ups & downs, the pit falls & highs of doing a rig shot which under normal circumstances wouldn’t be shown. It would just be all hype & high fives with loud Hollywood overlay scores (BORING). Your version of content makes you want to stay & see it through & that in my opinion is REAL CONTENT worth viewing.
@@ScottBell definitely. I’m going to try this with my zoom in my backpack and just run an xlr to a sm57. Not as hip but it’s what I have. Will be interesting to see what it does!
@@MagneticMTB Nice. I'm sure you'll get something. That was my original plan but we decided it was too dangerous for Mark to have the cable loose like that. After trying a few ways of routing it, we decided that a small recorder was the way to go so the cabling could be kept tight. If you aren't flying through the air it should be alright.
Thank you for taking the time to produce this stuff. Its really inspiring. brave move strapping that foley rig to the bike! also, the cable cam! that's a fair bit of kit flying through the forest!!!!
You're welcome, thank you for watching. And yes, it was pretty scary strapping all that stuff to bikes and cables but after a few test runs you get used to it haha. Only a few minor incidents :P
Great job all of you guys. Thanks for letting us follow the progress of the RAW EDIT project. I really enjoyed this BTS as well. Cheers from Copenhagen, Denmark.
Cheers thank you, glad you like the cable rig. I have a few more minor improvements to make to the setup and I think I'll call it done enough for now :)
Congrats Scott for this fantastic piece of work !! I also love that you've made a Making Of !! Pretty interesting as a fellow filmmaker but also good for the "riders" that some times don't fully understand what I takes to shoot this kind of project !! Keep up the good work team !
Thanks for watching Tom. I always use the 180 degree rule (1/[frame rate*2]) for my shutter speed. For this particular edit, everything was 24 frames per second but I will often use 60 and 120 frames per second when I want to incorporate slow motion.
@@ScottBell Thanks for the reply, I sometimes have a hard time with too much motion blur for fast paced shots using the 180 degree shutter rule is the only reason I ask.
@@TomsOutdoors Yeah I hear that, I think the best thing is to experiment. It's a rule but you can always break it and speed your shutter speed up a bit.
Very interesting to see you using audio captured ont he trail as opposed to the audio created using foley after the fact like the Red Bull speed of sound videos. Also, super brave putting a big mic like the MKE 600 on the bike! I would of been scared putting anything bigger than a Rode Video Micro in that position! But the result speaks for itself!
Haha thanks, it was a pretty scary endeavor between the cable cam and the on-bike audio. At the end of the day, they are all just tools for doing a job, and a job they did well! Thanks for watching.
Wow that edit was awesome. I'm an audio nerd so I was really curious how you recorded the audio and for a moment I didn't think you were even going to cover that part but it squeaked in at the end. Good job on the edit and this BTS video. You have the dream job.
Cheers, thanks for watching. You can crop in, just depends on your camera how it's going to look. If you are editing on a 1080p timeline you can use 4k footage at 100%, which will be very cropped in. On a 4k timeline you can't go too fair without starting to get some pixilation. I'd just suggest you render it, and decide for yourself if it looks good!
Great work Scott! Looks like a lot of time and effort was put in. I do have a feedback (after watching the video in Vimeo). This seems like a trend to me in a lot of people diving into "film making". I am talking about the sound perspective vs viewer perspective. The sound of the bike, tires, the ground etc at times does not match the perspective of the camera. If the I close my eyes and just listen I imagine being right there near the tires. If I watch, both visual and audio elements get disconnected. Again, this is something I have seen many times in videos/short films etc. In this case I would add more ambient noise and use volume and maybe reverb to create distance between the camera and the bike. Anyway, great work!
Thanks for the feedback, I definitely spent a lot of time trying to dial in the "location" of the sound to the rider but am by no means an expert. I used a combo of reverb, lowpass/highpass filters, eqing, volume, and panning. Just keep learning and progressing I suppose.
happy new year! appreciate your job. Can I ask , how did you use Panasonic gh5 in the motion shots, especially with cable, if gh5 autofocus almost doesn't work? I gonna shoot some races soon, so I think maybe better take Sony a7iii with great autofocus?
Happy new year, thanks for watching. I set my focus point before sending it down the line and I use an aperture that gives me enough depth of field that the rider stays in focus. I don't think I'd trust auto focus on any camera with it moving so fast and trees passing in front of the camera.
@@ScottBell thank you! yeah,really, moving trees is a big problem for autofocus. But for me it's a big secret how to run with a gimbal following riders or runners and manage manual focus))
@@oschepkovilyavideography3223 I think if you are a solo operator it's easiest to just maintain your distance from your subject as managing a gimbal and pulling focus is pretty tough.
Yay! Been looking forward to this episode, only wish it was waay longer... 😂 A very enjoyable and educational watch, thanks for sharing Scott! I have a question if you don't mind; that Mars 300 Pro (right?) - how is the latency paired with the GH5 over HDMI? I'm looking for wireless focus pulling options and I'm a bit reluctant to investing in something that doesn't quite work the way I want it to. Cheers bud, still one of my fav YT channels for sure! /Fred
Thanks Fred. Don't worry, I'll have a part two where I break things down on the editing side! That is the Mars 300 Pro (Enhanced). The latency is workable but noticeable. I think part of this is due to the known latency of the GH5 HDMI plus the added latency the transmitter has. If you want zero latency you have to look at Hollyland's higher end systems but they are significantly more expensive. You can watch my video on the Mars 300 Pro to see the latency in action.
@@ScottBell Ah that's great, looking forward to the next one then! Yeah I'm aware of the latency issue with the GH5. I've been told it's worse at certain frame rates and/or resolutions, but personally I think it's pretty consistently bad throughout. I've seen your video on the Mars (in fact I've watched all your uploads mate, avid follower here, haha ;) ) and it seems like a great product. I'm honestly thinking of upgrading my camera to something with SDI for that reason alone. But we'll see, still love my GH5.
@@fodsonmedia You could take a look at the Hollyland Mars 400s Pro if you upgrade to something that has SDI. Not sure how the latency is but should be better. I think I've settled on upgrading to the C70 soon. I was waffling between the Komodo and the Sony a7siii as well but I'm ready for something with professional audio, 4k120, and still in a small package. Still no SDI though!
Thanks for watching. Yeah it was a gnarly shoot for the length of the final video! Weather was not in our favour. I'd estimate it was 4-5 days at 8 hours per day. I was building the edit after each day of shooting so I knew what additional shots we might want to pickup that would connect sections of the trail together so by the time everything was shot, I was probably already a day into the editing process.
Amazing work, really impressive! I was wondering if you have ever tried using the force mobile feature of the Ronin S. You could mount the phone on a tripod and operate the camera as if it was on the tripod, you could be much more reactive to the bike’s movements. But maybe the phone connection wouldn’t be as strong for the whole length of the cable... Have you ever tried?
Hey Andrea, thanks for watching. I have tried the app, however, the range isn't enough for the length of the cable cam lin. Most of the lines in this film are 300-400 ft long so you need a more powerful signal device.
So awesome to look back on this. All the hard work paid off!
Yeah buddy, so much fun was had!
Dude you have no idea how helpful this video is for aspiring videographers. Tutorials don't compare to bts! THANKS
Great to hear Evan! Thank you for watching.
I've said it once and I'll say it again, this clip is just unreal! Congratulations to all the geniuses that made it happen!!
Thanks Pedro! Glad you liked the video and the BTS. I appreciate you watching :)
Thank you for the behind the scenes look!
Thanks for watching Logan!
Oh hell yeah! I have watched Changing Seasons so many times but didn't realise you had this behind the scenes. Good tips on mounting the mic to the bike for separate audio. In my head, I was trying to work out a way to record audio from the camera's perspective as it travelled down the zip line, but I think that would be way too difficult to get clean audio. This is a much better approach and it works so well. Thanks for your help!
Cheers, glad it's helpful. And stoked you have enjoyed Changing Seasons!
Changing Seasons is far and away the sickest edit I've seen Mark in and my favorite of the year.
Thanks Paul, I appreciate the kind words. We put a lot into this one and glad it's being well received by the community!
So great dude!
Thanks for watching man!
Hey man, great video and great results !
I know this video has been out for a while so I don’t know if you’re gonna be reading this but I have a question about shutter speed
Like do you stick to the standard « double the frame rate » or if you adjust depending on the speed of the rider etc.. ? Would love to know more about that
Cheers, thanks for watching. I generally shoot with a 180 degree shutter angle which will always be the equivalent shutter speed of double the frame rate. There are very rare occasions that I might make the shutter faster for a specific creative feel but I do that less than 1% of the time.
@@ScottBell thanks a lot man !
Thank you so much for the behind the scenes footage!!
No prob! Thanks for watching, glad they are enjoyable to watch.
The film making process makes the raw film even more epic! Thanks so much for sharing. This video was absolutely fascinating to me as both a mountain bike and videography enthusiasts! So glad you shared. Also, thanks for sharing the sound capture strategy as well. Audio is something I want to improve on for my own filming.
Glad you found it interesting and I hope you can put the sound capture method to use! It's a nice low tech solution that gets the job done. Thanks for watching!
So good to see true artists given the time and resources to produce video like this. This shows you how hard and time consuming it is to accomplish this.
Thanks for the kind words! This one was definitely a labour of love by the end of it but happy we put the extra work in to make it awesome.
Just wanted to add 10/10 Scott & your team of collaborators. Many TALK (review gear & pitch selling gear for companies) FEW DO. You’re a doer & it shows- getting out in the field & making it work day after day - that takes massive commitment to the project. I love the fact that you show film makers & content creators all the ups & downs, the pit falls & highs of doing a rig shot which under normal circumstances wouldn’t be shown. It would just be all hype & high fives with loud Hollywood overlay scores (BORING). Your version of content makes you want to stay & see it through & that in my opinion is REAL CONTENT worth viewing.
Amazing BTS. Thank you. The microphone taped to the bike kinda blew my mind.
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it!
@@ScottBell definitely. I’m going to try this with my zoom in my backpack and just run an xlr to a sm57. Not as hip but it’s what I have. Will be interesting to see what it does!
@@MagneticMTB Nice. I'm sure you'll get something. That was my original plan but we decided it was too dangerous for Mark to have the cable loose like that. After trying a few ways of routing it, we decided that a small recorder was the way to go so the cabling could be kept tight. If you aren't flying through the air it should be alright.
Wow Scott, just saw your vid on Vimeo and came here as fast as I could. Really awesome job and inspiring!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video and glad you found me here from Vimeo! Thanks for stopping by.
You did a great job on this Scott! It was a great learning experience to tag along with you, Mark and Jarrett! Keep it up buddy!
Thanks Ryan, really appreciate you coming out to film this BTS. It was great having ya!
awesome job Scott!
Cheers, thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed!
This is an incredible BTS!
Cheers Jared, glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching.
Man, that looks fun.
Was a heck of a lot of fun, glad to have the video out there in the world now.
WOW ! I’m just so happy for you guys.... MAKING creative content, flaws & all. But there in lays the beauty. Congrats 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🎥🎥
Thank you, we had a great success with this project, landing a Vimeo Staff Pick, which was pretty exciting.
Love the edit 👍👍 nice filming
Cheers, thank you for watching :)
So good mate! Great to see the hard work paying off! Epic vid
Thank you for checking out a bunch of my vids, glad you liked it!
That's amazing! The creative and high quality with that budget are endlessly inspiring🔥
Cheers, thanks for watching, appreciate the kind words.
really appreciate this BTS! The final video is a masterpiece! amazing job!!!
Cheers, thanks for watching Kyle! Glad you liked the final video.
Thank you for taking the time to produce this stuff. Its really inspiring. brave move strapping that foley rig to the bike! also, the cable cam! that's a fair bit of kit flying through the forest!!!!
You're welcome, thank you for watching. And yes, it was pretty scary strapping all that stuff to bikes and cables but after a few test runs you get used to it haha. Only a few minor incidents :P
Really liked the end result! Very wel done Scott.
Thank you friend, appreciate you dropping by!
Really like what you are doing on your channel !! bike + adventure + camera/video stuff and bts = love it !!!
Thanks for watching Renaud, glad you are finding value in what I'm putting out there!
Great job all of you guys. Thanks for letting us follow the progress of the RAW EDIT project. I really enjoyed this BTS as well. Cheers from Copenhagen, Denmark.
Thanks for watching as always Camilla, glad you liked the BTS!
Keep up with good work.
Cheers, thanks for watching!
Amazing guys 🤩😎🙏
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed!
Awesome thanks for recommending your channel the other day ! Def on to watch really enjoyed how you got the cable can setups
Cheers thank you, glad you like the cable rig. I have a few more minor improvements to make to the setup and I think I'll call it done enough for now :)
This video is great !! Thanks for the knowledge to apply to my vids
You are welcome, thanks for watching. Glad you found some value!
Congrats Scott for this fantastic piece of work !! I also love that you've made a Making Of !! Pretty interesting as a fellow filmmaker but also good for the "riders" that some times don't fully understand what I takes to shoot this kind of project !! Keep up the good work team !
Thanks for watching! Glad it was helpful.
So sick to see the behind the scenes of this. You really should have way more subs considering how high quality your vids are, keep up the good work
Cheers, thanks for watching Daniel, glad you like what I'm putting out!
If I could double like this video, I would! Nice work Scott & co!
Haha that's awesome, thanks so much Callum!
this is amazing!well done guys
Thanks Tony, glad ya liked it!
This is sick Scott! I love the suspense feel that the raw audio presents. Great work.
Thanks for watching Luke! Glad ya liked the edit, hope the BTS was helpful.
Dude this is dope! Subbed!
Cheers thanks dude! Can't wait to start shooting more bike stuff with the C70.
Great video! what frame rate and shutter speed to you shoot for the MTB stuff?
Thanks for watching Tom. I always use the 180 degree rule (1/[frame rate*2]) for my shutter speed. For this particular edit, everything was 24 frames per second but I will often use 60 and 120 frames per second when I want to incorporate slow motion.
@@ScottBell Thanks for the reply, I sometimes have a hard time with too much motion blur for fast paced shots using the 180 degree shutter rule is the only reason I ask.
@@TomsOutdoors Yeah I hear that, I think the best thing is to experiment. It's a rule but you can always break it and speed your shutter speed up a bit.
@@ScottBell yeah, thanks for your help mate!
Very interesting to see you using audio captured ont he trail as opposed to the audio created using foley after the fact like the Red Bull speed of sound videos. Also, super brave putting a big mic like the MKE 600 on the bike! I would of been scared putting anything bigger than a Rode Video Micro in that position! But the result speaks for itself!
Haha thanks, it was a pretty scary endeavor between the cable cam and the on-bike audio. At the end of the day, they are all just tools for doing a job, and a job they did well! Thanks for watching.
Hello scott ! Incredible video you made there. I have a question: how did you manage to remove the sound from the rear hub ?
Thank you. He has a Shimano hub and it is silent. Nice change of pace from the noisy hub edits haha
Wow that edit was awesome. I'm an audio nerd so I was really curious how you recorded the audio and for a moment I didn't think you were even going to cover that part but it squeaked in at the end. Good job on the edit and this BTS video. You have the dream job.
The audio for this project was critical, glad the mic on bike worked out! Thanks for watching.
You did a perfect job on this! Qvestion: Is okay to crop clips in post for better frame ? I shot in 4K 8 bit and want crop 10% - 30% for final render.
Cheers, thanks for watching. You can crop in, just depends on your camera how it's going to look. If you are editing on a 1080p timeline you can use 4k footage at 100%, which will be very cropped in. On a 4k timeline you can't go too fair without starting to get some pixilation. I'd just suggest you render it, and decide for yourself if it looks good!
Very cool to see how these videos are made. Are the cable rigs custom made or do you buy them?
Cheers, thanks for watching. It's a homemade cable cam. I've got a playlist on this channel about the process of building it.
Great work Scott! Looks like a lot of time and effort was put in. I do have a feedback (after watching the video in Vimeo). This seems like a trend to me in a lot of people diving into "film making". I am talking about the sound perspective vs viewer perspective. The sound of the bike, tires, the ground etc at times does not match the perspective of the camera. If the I close my eyes and just listen I imagine being right there near the tires. If I watch, both visual and audio elements get disconnected. Again, this is something I have seen many times in videos/short films etc. In this case I would add more ambient noise and use volume and maybe reverb to create distance between the camera and the bike. Anyway, great work!
Thanks for the feedback, I definitely spent a lot of time trying to dial in the "location" of the sound to the rider but am by no means an expert. I used a combo of reverb, lowpass/highpass filters, eqing, volume, and panning. Just keep learning and progressing I suppose.
happy new year! appreciate your job. Can I ask , how did you use Panasonic gh5 in the motion shots, especially with cable, if gh5 autofocus almost doesn't work? I gonna shoot some races soon, so I think maybe better take Sony a7iii with great autofocus?
Happy new year, thanks for watching. I set my focus point before sending it down the line and I use an aperture that gives me enough depth of field that the rider stays in focus. I don't think I'd trust auto focus on any camera with it moving so fast and trees passing in front of the camera.
@@ScottBell thank you! yeah,really, moving trees is a big problem for autofocus. But for me it's a big secret how to run with a gimbal following riders or runners and manage manual focus))
@@oschepkovilyavideography3223 I think if you are a solo operator it's easiest to just maintain your distance from your subject as managing a gimbal and pulling focus is pretty tough.
Huge props to your actual video on Vimeo, it was SICK! What cam was Ryan using for bts? damn it was sharp.
Sony a7iii, def a nice looking image.
And thanks, glad you liked the edit!
This is so insightful! Would love to see what post production for this looked like as well. I hope to make make beautiful work like yours one day.
Thanks for watching and the kind words. Glad you found it helpful! I will be making another video walking through the edit, colors, etc. Stay tuned!
Yay! Been looking forward to this episode, only wish it was waay longer... 😂 A very enjoyable and educational watch, thanks for sharing Scott!
I have a question if you don't mind; that Mars 300 Pro (right?) - how is the latency paired with the GH5 over HDMI? I'm looking for wireless focus pulling options and I'm a bit reluctant to investing in something that doesn't quite work the way I want it to. Cheers bud, still one of my fav YT channels for sure! /Fred
Thanks Fred. Don't worry, I'll have a part two where I break things down on the editing side! That is the Mars 300 Pro (Enhanced). The latency is workable but noticeable. I think part of this is due to the known latency of the GH5 HDMI plus the added latency the transmitter has. If you want zero latency you have to look at Hollyland's higher end systems but they are significantly more expensive. You can watch my video on the Mars 300 Pro to see the latency in action.
@@ScottBell Ah that's great, looking forward to the next one then! Yeah I'm aware of the latency issue with the GH5. I've been told it's worse at certain frame rates and/or resolutions, but personally I think it's pretty consistently bad throughout. I've seen your video on the Mars (in fact I've watched all your uploads mate, avid follower here, haha ;) ) and it seems like a great product. I'm honestly thinking of upgrading my camera to something with SDI for that reason alone. But we'll see, still love my GH5.
@@fodsonmedia You could take a look at the Hollyland Mars 400s Pro if you upgrade to something that has SDI. Not sure how the latency is but should be better. I think I've settled on upgrading to the C70 soon. I was waffling between the Komodo and the Sony a7siii as well but I'm ready for something with professional audio, 4k120, and still in a small package. Still no SDI though!
good job , il like the way you record audio
Thanks Amine, glad you enjoyed the video!
SICK! 9 days shooting, how many hours/days in post, Scott?
Thanks for watching. Yeah it was a gnarly shoot for the length of the final video! Weather was not in our favour. I'd estimate it was 4-5 days at 8 hours per day. I was building the edit after each day of shooting so I knew what additional shots we might want to pickup that would connect sections of the trail together so by the time everything was shot, I was probably already a day into the editing process.
Amazing stuff, Scott. I’m working my way through all your content as I love your edits and learning how you shoot them is invaluable.
Awesome, thanks!
Amazing work, really impressive!
I was wondering if you have ever tried using the force mobile feature of the Ronin S.
You could mount the phone on a tripod and operate the camera as if it was on the tripod, you could be much more reactive to the bike’s movements. But maybe the phone connection wouldn’t be as strong for the whole length of the cable...
Have you ever tried?
Hey Andrea, thanks for watching. I have tried the app, however, the range isn't enough for the length of the cable cam lin. Most of the lines in this film are 300-400 ft long so you need a more powerful signal device.
@@ScottBell ok, I got it, what a pity, it would have been so so easy!
Thanks a lot for replying, I appreciate it!
Good luck with everything!
@@anscia Yes, it would be nice if it could work in this context but since it's bluetooth/wifi it has limited range.
hello, how are you pulling the cable for the camera cable
I pull it up with a rope that gets clipped on.
Why does it record in 24fps and can it record in 60fps?
I'm not sure what device you are asking about.
For example, in the 5:30 minute shot, you record it at 24 fps. My question is: why do you record it at 24 and not 60?
@@bestchl I knew the entire piece was going to be played back at real time so there was no need to shoot higher frame rates for slow motion.
I understand, I thank you for your prompt response and congratulate you on your content. I'm amazed
8:56 The scotch doesn’t pull out the poiles of the bell?, is it special scotch?
It is gaff tape
First :D