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This is a problem with the world in general, not just in music. Everyone has to feel so strongly they're right, that they don't care to think there could be another way.
Lack of cognitive or critical thought. Keeping an open mind makes a great engineer
People fall into the false dichotomy trap very easily these days... the media knows this and the social engineers use this fact to force people into their narratives... but in reality, things are rarely black and white.
Tribalism. Like the old Mac Vs PC argument. These camps have existed and thrived for decades. Probably much longer. Even in digital you get the 24bit, XYZKHz debates. Or whether two plugins that move data points around using ones and zeros have a better character! Most of the time it’ll be the engineer rather than the tools anyway!
This is why I follow you man, you give NO NONSENSE advice from a NEUTRAL and KNOWLEDGABLE stand point. Keep it up!
im a professional mixing and mastering sound engineer with our tracks in Lac and millions and what david is saying is completley right and professional
Well said. So much pointless argument from a lot of people who don't have a clue, just take a stance. I'd rather learn and continue to move forward
When you broke down the recording process vs the mixing and mastering processes that hit home. I don’t believe you have to record with hardware but it’s DEFINITELY needed for the other two processes for sure
The magic of analog is real! Hearing the direct analog signal in the studio is something truly special. Capturing all nuances converting from analog to digital again is a challenge. The infinite nonlinear details of true analog are being sampled into a relatively limited format with A to D conversion. I haven’t been inside a fully analog studio since the early nineties but I won’t forget the sound (and the smell and smoke ;)
Agreed David! The whole digital vs analog is so tedious at this point. There's so much proof out there today that showes that it truly doesn't matter what you use, only how you use it matter. As always, love your content!
Hell yeah! SO much needed! Compare music and movie industries: no matter how cheap cameras get, you don't see productions shooting movies on their iPhones because "it doesn't matter what you use" or they will watch it on a phone. So dumb
From my experience, when everyone has decided they are a music producer, there’s no way to talk truth about this, without offending someone. Nice seeing you address these things. You hit most points quite well. Really glad you mentioned devaluing of music and art. It’s very true and I hope you post that video, though I understand why you might not.
Seems there’s a weird digital religion of jealousy appearing. A small group of in the box producers, demanding everyone hate all things analog. They usually ignore the subject/context of a video/conversation. They remain ignorant of simple terminology, physics and electronics, so they can tout falsities. As if no one has degrees concerning the technology or experience in the field to know better. They act like analog is blaspheme, insisting no one acknowledge hardware dose things different and sometimes * gasp * better. Their doctrine demands all tools be digital and free of charge, if possible. Eliminating financial mountains to climb or skills to expand/sharpen. It’s like they hate anything they find hard or people say is better. They'll call you an elitist snob for investing in your own art. The conflict of “us verses them” allows avoidance of facts that would make it a non argument in the first place. This all leaves people on the “other side” wondering if, in the face of an analog loaded professional world/history, these religious zealots aren’t just consumed with petty anger over their own insecurities. It’s weird, misleading and they attack anyone who points these things out.
It’s different technologies but all tools, with advantages and disadvantages. It's not crazy to say, you will probably need both to reach full potential. Use what works best for the given task/budget and don't limit your self with a "religious" mindset.
I'm using a hybrid system. The Best of Both Worlds. That makes sense to me. David, you are the man. I ain't mad...😎
Here's a funny one: I recently was playing with a mix and i was using my UA plug in Massive Passive (mastering unit) together with my ANALOG physical Massive Passive unit (not the mastering version) and it sounded pretty freaking amazing! It felt so goofy looking at the screen and seeing a picture of the unit while i was carving with the actual knobs on the unit 🤣 but whatever works, just have fun and stop the damn nonsense! 👍🏽👍🏽
Great video man, I work completely in the box but I like gaining information from engineers that work OTB so I can add their workflow and perspective to my approach while working in the box.
It’s crazy that people argue this when listeners that have no engineering experience don’t care whether you mix digital, analog, or hybrid.
Listeners care about good records.
Man. Straight as an arrow... love your channel for your honesty. Your knowledge you share with us on your channel and your courses is so well appreciated
soon these people will start comparing fifa online to real life fifa games lol love your videos brother im an independent artist im learning a lot from you thank you
I’ve been mixing in the box ever since I started mixing. I still don’t have any analog but can honestly say that this channel is the only channel that inspired me to want to get analog. Not only that but want to mix on a professional level, I can’t say how much I thank you for your tutorial videos, it’s a really enlightening work flow that I really try to use my ears to get the sound I’m after. As he said in the video just use what you’ve got, if I can’t even mix good digitally what reason do I have to buy analog?
Lmao David said "fuck it!" 🤣 gotta love that dude..real shit 💪💪💯💯💯💯💯
We defend certain positions because of our egos. People can't accept the truth, so they only see things that fits into their "reality". Great video.
David, we love you. Complete truth! Thank you
I have one "mix friend" ... He said to me a few years ago: "Why are you buying this old synth..., I sold all of mine's (analog synths and other gear), sotfware today is 100 better then old hardware analog gear?" I was thinking ... Yes, for him it's easier to work (he has a lot of clients that have low expectations - Tirol music style...) "in a box", but I''m interested in "the best sound possible", so I will buy "what I hear (with my own ears) is best. A few years later he again starts buying gear, hahaha ... But It's the same story now: "No, software is way better, you just need knowledge, it's all matematics ..." Yeah right... 😄 Great video again. So true. Make max. with what you have. Everything has its pros and cons, uses ...
I know this is an old video, but I just wanna salute you for telling it like it is. People who deny the differences between analog and digital or try to invalidate the differences have contrived, unsubstantiated 'arguments' about how 'nobody will tell' etc, etc. They just want to downplay the better thing to make themselves feel more secure.
I think most engineers whose work with both analog and digital would agree with you. I think the a vs d war has been over for quite some time. Its more so a new golden era because we've never been blessed with so many ways to make great records. Everyone just needs to find their balance. Good video as always.
I appreciate and have a lot of respect for your advice and input with your experience. Thank you for the videos you make.
For me, the best out of your channel is your common sense, and this video is a good example. That's the factor that made me suscribe a few years ago. Please, keep on doing awesome stuff.
Awesome video. You know exactly what you’re talking about. You clarified a lot. Thanks man.
Appreciate all the info you give. I work completely in the box, however I do want to eventually move into some hybrid mixing. Just not financially there yet, but great mixes will come from a great mix engineer whether analog or digital. Thanks Dave.
4:40 i allways said that the virtual synth and the analog one sounded the same. But... When I tried analog synths, dispute the fact that the sound was so so close, it feels the same in 2 different aspects.
1 The analog one feels fuller
2 The analog one makes me "automate" knobs and make it not so static.
Btw, these synths were the bassline, the ms1 and the Juno 106. Oh! And the Jupiter 8
@@PreviousAccount528 yeah, diva has a little but fuller sound but don't fell natural
@@shadowminer9439 I prefer to use Diva for regular "static" sounds. Analog I like to use for hands on programming and CV input to bring liveness. So for beds/solid sounds - digital emus. For live expressive sounds with human input analog. Have played with most of the best HW synths in the world by this point and would never trade HW for SW or the other way around. Both have their role and place. But I agree my life would be poorer without physical instruments
I really love the way you use words to get your point across. Great topic , David 👌🏻😊
great video and discussion. agree with you 100%
Well said David Always inspiring
Amazing information. Truly accurate!!!
Very well put brother! It’s all about how you use it!
I've picked up 6 units in the last 12 months, before that I was totally ITB. With hardware it instantly felt easier to get the result I'm looking for, but that probably has as much or more to do with the tactile nature of than the fact that it's analog. Recalling a mix though... Ugh.
This here!! I get so distracted trying out stock plug ins so I know I'd be "testing" my analog gear as opposed to creating
@@4brotroydavis no you wouldn't and if that is the case,then you probably aren't ready to mix anything, can't keep second guessing your self.
Ohhhhh you might love Wesaudio! Hybrid on steroids. Digital recall of your analog work you dial in on the gear! Super cool stuff and you can create your presets so if you go back to a session you don't need to try to find what you were doing on the dials etc.
Well spoken! i started full analog back in the days and then i got all digital and now i am hybrid. I love both worlds and i do not understand the fuzz at all. Use what ever you got, it's perfectly fine. Thanx for awesome videos David. Cheers!
Always loving your honest words, David! Can't be more true than what you mention. Normally, successful people with a winning attitude are curious and wanna learn from people thinking completely the opposite way, so I can't either understand this clan war between the pro-analog and the pro-in-the-box. It's not a sports competition lol, nobody has to choose a team here! 😂 Awesome video, I rarely watch such long videos but this one is worth it!!! Best Regards from your friend François in Montreal, Canada! 🎼🃏🎵🎶🙏💯👌😁🌠
David, you are a gem. thank you for always sharing intelligent and thoughtful content
You always got the best and the right points David! all of your words are true! thank you so much for open up people's minds and eyes! You are super great person!
This video reminds me to the vlogs you used to make. I love this type of “gossip”. Nice insight on the subject! Great video as always David
Love what your doing I went from ITB to hybrid because of you and I love both.. you absolutely know what your talking about because my results are exactly what you say they are going to be.. thanks and screw the close-minded haters
I love his honesty ... always has a unique twist of wisdom ...
amazing exposition Bro , i agree , thanks for your honestic words
Great point on how some confuse mixing and mastering with song formatting
TY U BROTHER,UR SO REAL
Thank you, David for making my thoughts feel validated. You’ve done so in so many ways. You’re a godsend lol
Absolutely agree. I know people with SSL consoles that do a lot of mixing in the box. Some are on UA-cam. Sometimes they run the mix through the console to get the analog vibe. Also, it´s been proven by top engineers that if a mix is great, no one will hear if it was mixed on analog, or plugins. Even the top mixers of today like Pensado, are mixing in the box using analog, and plugins. People are making hits on a laptop. The biggest difference is the sound of recording on TAPE. It sounds totally different than recording to DAW, and almost no one is recording to tape anymore. Hybrid is definitely the new direction.
Fortunatly, people can make the biggest difference... 😊. DAVID IS BOSS. thank you for your amazing videos❤️
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Bravo David!:) That’s the truth!!! Very good video! Thank you!:
Very realistic . Thanks for your videos . Always a pleasure and inspiring .
Man, so much good advice in this one. Especially from 25:30. Love it. Got me inspired too.
David, I know this video is old but I agree 100% on what you are talking about. I am happy you are here on UA-cam showing us what you know. Please keep it up. I have a ton of your videos to watch since I just recently discovered you.
Welcome aboard!
I highly recommend "Loudness Is NOT in Mastering"; that one was a major eye-opener for me!
Love this video, I have been a succesful visual artist for many years, and as with me I suspect I like knew challenges and I get bored at somewhat the same ole things, my career has evolved through the years from medical illustrator to a bronze and wood sculptor. Now I take my senses into the auditory realm and it takes time to learn. Discipline myself learning to make music and mix what I feel works for me. Really its another way to communicate and express oneself through whatever medium one enjoys. Thank you for providing a posiive and clear video that allows others to express themselves without conflict.
Very very very well said!!!!!
Seeing ur Gear is inspirational!!
I learn about Quality Gear, i was unfamiliar with...until seeing it in ur Studio!! I appreciate u Bro!
Thanks David!!!
Thanks David cheers mate.
Thank you. They are two different things. I work with both every day. Everything is just a tool for servicing a song. Whatever works is what works for me.
Amen! keeping it real!
Your attitude is a rare, rare example of a clear vision.
Thank you for this video!
Hi David… I really and truly appreciate you and what you do… most of all your honesty on these matters. You’re ‘arguments’ are solid… I find that everyone just wants to say what’s in their minds about our industry and there are a lot of videos on here in particular that really don’t cover what needs to be covered. Keep up the great work
You do a great job!! I feel like there is so much tension in the air and it manifests in so many weird ways. Including, complaining about dope music info demo.
I 100% agree with you!
Thank you David.
You are definitely right. That's all because of very many people don't have that experience.
This is the greatest channel about music production on the internet, period. Host is passionate, highly knowledgeable about his craft, and dispenses his wisdom for free.
I like the part where he mentions how the hardware and the software emulation of the respective hardware IS NOT a 1:1 ratio. So true. And this is something that so many without hardware experience are just not understanding.
I also like how he points out there is A Standard, which is indeed why professionals have spent thousands upon thousands on analog tools. While simultaneously not discrediting the overall place, or general importance of plug-ins for What Plug-Ins Do Well.
And then, most crucially, puts emphasis on THE ENGINEER with the experience, and the ears, as the ultimate factor with these tools.
This guy is amazing. If I wasn't interested in producing my own material, I'd be having him do it for me every single time.
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Excellent video!! Sometimes very funny on the views people have. Thanks again.
Great advice!
Great video as usual!
I'd love to give this video a million thumbs up!
I agree 100% David! I remember when guitarists had a similar debate re: digital amp modelers vs "traditional" (which almost universally meant 'tube driven') amplifiers... I always found it entertaining because then, as now with the plugins vs analogue, 98% of audiences a) can't tell the difference , b) won't notice a difference, and/or c) won't care.
Well said!
DOPE VIDEO!!! When you said “Home Studios are not a Threat to professionals” @23:52 That was a mic drop bro! I’m now a subscriber!
this is a wise video.
i appreciate you fighting the good fight. "divide and conquer" is ALL over the world right now...
thank you!
like you said - i personally dont have the money or a studio to use hardware, so i do everything in the box for 16 years. and im fine with it. people like it, so... whatever. the most important thing is - making good sound and good music! period.
Great advice and well said. I've got a few pieces of gear on my wishlist, just gotta save my pennies and dimes.
I'd be interested to see that unreleased video you mentioned too. Your videos are great, keep it up.
I remember hitting that wall when I started producing and then learning how to mix and master my own tracks in the box. I released and signed two albums, which was my goal, however I was not proud of the end result! So now I have more respect for the mixing and mastering processes, I learn Fab Filter inside and out. And I enjoy seeing what is out there in terms of hardware and software. Really dig your channel. Cheers.
Thanks for addressing this, it's never made sense to me either! Why anyone would argue about this, is odd hahaha Cheers
Finally, someone that knows what there talking about.
Totally agree with you on this!! As a songwriter who has turned home audio engineer. Songwriting only get you so far period. The standard for quality sounding music is extremely high in this day an age. If you want more people to hear your track, your gonna pay for it. Either upgrading gear and or hiring a mix engineer. 100% I’ve been working on mixing for years and still pay for mixes on some tracks here and there.
I've been mixing ITB for 12 years but when I upgraded my conveters I was blown away by the things I could not hear or notice .I made better mixing discission. When I added analog gear I was instantly blown away again it was easier to archive that record sound it sound not saying plugins are bad it's just cant give you that sound unless you past your samples through hardware and back into the DAW that alone will make plugins react and work way better than using raw digital audio within the DAW. I can hear the compression with vst but it's always feels veiled. With hardware you can hear instantly and feel because it's real voltage and not zeros and ones that plugins use to immitate. So to me going hybrid is the way if you can afford it mixing ITB will only get you so far .
I'm currently in a caravan with no heat and I'm not changing truth to suit my situation.
You channel and your character is healthy for people.
I will be back in the studio at some point building from the beginning and also needing to learn quite a lot still... I'm going to UA-cam that journey.
People can then see my discoveries.
I worked hip hop people before that couldn't understand the suggestion of getting their own mics and a way to record to hone their skills but happy to use me for cheap.
Anyone can create, they can make things people will like... to blow up after they've been herd they will need that little add
❤️ u Bro. Always Speaking Sensible Truth.
Absolutely right, David. The mixer can make a very big difference for even an excellent song. For those who don't know about it; search the mixes for Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Butch Vig (he was the engineer during recording) and the one that got to the album by Andy Wallace. Same raw tracks. Mixing is the hardest part to 'finish' a song. It takes thousands of hours of experience to get really good at. I'm just getting started, using both plugins and hardware as much as I can afford. And I still have got a long way to go. But, my God... it's such a wonderful journey!
which hardware units did you go for?
@@dirkchurlish4074 I'm a fan of the Focusrite ISA's, so I got the 428 and the 430MkII. I would love to get API one day, but for now I've settled with the WA12 Tone Beast and the WA273-EQ. Gives me 8 channels I'm pretty happy with plus my UAD Apollo (another 8 channels). Futher more I have Drawmer's 1973 and 1978 plus a Nekotronics SL4000Mk2 for (buss) compression and the Drawmer 1974 for EQ. And there's an BSS-DPR402 (very nice compressor and de-esser imo) and a Drawmer DS-201 gate. That's it, for now... 😉
Now I dare to say something: I bought two used Behringer 1952 compressors. I exchanged the tubes with some mellow sounding ones and used them for the first time on a kick. I was impressed. It might be possible to generate that hard-to-describe sound itb, but it's about the time needed! With the hardware I turn three, four knobs and I'm there.
OMG Thank YOU bro! I use both....the comparison is ridiculous. It's not apples to oranges....It's more like comparing Fruit and vegetables.
You taught me how to make smart buys and hybridize my mixes. I obtained the sound I've always been looking for by going back to the drawing board and getting the tube preamp right. Then I learned eq then compression etc. Before i was all digital mic to usb interface. Thanks for a wealth of knowledge bro.
Glad to help!
you are right on
I spy an X Touch One. Got the same my desk. Cool little control surface!
You are right, the mix engineer itself is the key.
People keep comparing digital and analog are definitely newbie.
#1 mix engineer in my country is using ITB.
Only 1 clue that he gave it to me, FEEL it.
Well said sir, it's all a matter of personal taste and what the mix calls for impo.
David, making me a better person every day.
Always a very interesting topic.
I was on that same path. I mixed several years ITB till I felt I hit a wall and started adding analog gear to my setup and it was a game changer. Mind you, not every piece of analog gear i bought was. I sold the ones that didn't do what I had hoped or fit in my work flow and kept the ones I thought brought something special to the mix that plugins weren't doing. And it doesn't have to expensive either. For instance, those analog FMR audio compressors you reviewed years ago (that I still own, including the PBC (yellow one) are cheap, sound amazing, and to my ears sound better or behave better than most of my plugins. Not to mention that turning actual knobs is far more intuitive and enjoyable than using a mouse. And that is a big part of mixing, having fun and staying inspired.
Ha! This is ironic. I had a buddy that was on my ass not to long ago for wanting to tinker with hybrid mixing and drum recording. Swearing ITB was the way to go and the only way to do things now. I think to each his own ain’t it?
You’re fucking awesome dude!
Great Advice!
Too much opinions and not enough objectivity in this world. I perfectly agree with you!
Please publish the video you mentioned, like to hear more. Thanks for all the great videos you have made
I totally agree with you. 200%.. it's like buying a car... what does a car offer you? TRANSPORTATION!!!! It gets you from point
A to B However you can buy a GAS ... Diesel... Hybrid.. Full Electric... an economy ...a luxury sedan ... a sports car... I all boils down to preference and budget... the argument is mute... there are sooo many ways of working in terms of approach and workflow... they all have their strengths and weaknesses and drawbacks.. My personal set up is modest however I chose to have a Hybrid set up but that's just me as it affords me several options of either staying ITB or go partially OTB or fully OTB so really it's all personal preference in taste and your professional skill. Hat's off to you for stating the actual logic behind it all! At the end of the day it boils down to the skill and talent of the mix engineer in what they can do with the set up that they have BASED on as well thier Acoustic environment and Monitors/speakers these are all factors.. Hi end to low end gear ... a good room.. a bad room... Hi end monitors to cheap... It all boils down to all of these factors.. yes tools and software etc..etc.. can help but at the end of the day... it's the engineer that provides the final result.
This video made me like you more than I already did. Good job all the way around. Hybrid is king. Functionality/flexibility/speed/efficiency/beauty/quality/feel over symmetry/sameness. There's only AND not OR. OR is for people who want to pander to like-minded people who setup factions that hoard power to themselves and pontificate about what's proper. Your studio and gear choices are beautiful by the way. You've definitely influenced a couple upcoming purchases. #WesAudio #MathewLane
Love this video.
Great video.
I am big Hell Raiser fan to. Chaught my eye right away.
your 100% right . I love of my outboard gear but I started at a time when you really needed it. But its a different world. I use both . But have been mixing for 30 plus years. You can get great results itb . But i would never give up my hardware. But some plugins are money. Its a great time to make music.
😂😆🤣😆😂🤣 Why must we have this argument with people?!
💯💯💯💯💯exactly sir!!! Use what we got. It’s all designed to help the Engineer get the job done, however they decide to use “the Tools” we have. Simple as that.
Love this discussion!!!
It’s the Skill of the Engineer that makes all the difference.
All Engineers are Engineers at the end of the day. Getting music to sound the best it can. No right or wrong to get the end result.
Great video!!!! Great advice!!!!
I really like your philosophy and point of view, it goes to show why your mixes are so good: because you have the right mindset in the first place. Keep up the good work, man