actually think about an insight chassis. cheap as fuck, steering rack is already electric... i've paid as little as 120 bucks for clean title examples in shit condition, especially the cvt ones, which we don't need anyway... rear suspension is already able to tolerate WAY too much weight, so modern ev batteries would be no problem.
I'd also like to point out, during the 90s the government held electric cars in many fleets. I've seen Chevy S10 pick-up trucks, government built, electric. Believe me, that's a shitty car in today's means, thus, perfect lemon. The average price on this example is roughly $800/$1200 asking, so it's possible.
@@alecfleming373 with the ev s-10 , getting that 1200 down to 500 would be possible selling off the bed and stock batteries and rear suspension during the conversion to modern batteries. or it could be simpler to just cop a rear-ended 94-97 s10 for basically free and doing the conversion from scratch. especially considering the ev was front drive and probably handled like a civic pulling a trailer full of batteries.
That's actually a J1772 adapter. And it had never been tested before that 15,000mi road trip. If we ever do it again (sigh, and we will), we'll also have one of the 80A Tesla blocks -- because Teslas chargers almost always work, and we can get twice the power out of them. The first "APU" was a sams club generator, and it did not like being run at capacity inside an engine bay. The big orange trailer rig is a 25k generac "work site" generator. It went to Amelia Island and back without issue. So when we get that exemption to tow a trailer in a race, this thing will dominate other EVs.
You know if you grow your own potatoes, corn, sugar cane, whatever and then distill your own alcohol and run the generator off it , its is running on renewables.
Heh. In our "trailer race" you definitely do not want your trailer hit as it's your power source... and there's 6gal of gasoline back there. We had a 5gal boat gas tank on the roof rack to run the onboard for the Florida Man rally. (Jay won't approve that either. What could possibly go wrong with a pressurized plastic tub of gas over your head.)
You should put the engine from the generator in the car and drive the wheels through a transmission! I've seen it done a fair few times, and it works great.
Do you guys have a huge spreadsheet of teams, cars, speeds, all that type of information? I would love to see a press sheet of your best a worst cars at the track!
Teslas are heavy. Find something old, light and aerodynamic like a Saab Sonnett and you'll need less energy to overcome drag and friction to cruise at a given speed and less energy to accelerate (though you could get about half of that energy back via regen). A track and car combination that allow a good driver to carry momentum through the corners would be ideal, and a driver who lifts before catching traffic rather than racing up to the bumper would be more efficient. The $50k may be effectively worth less by the time it happens, but I expect one day there will be an EV lemon that can at least compete on laps.
A great deal of mass can be removed from a Model S. (see also: Spec Model S) But yes, battery swaps are the killer. It would be nearly impossible to build a system to rapidly swap out the 1600lb battery module that wouldn't also be infinitely unsafe. (you do NOT want that module falling out.) Tesla's abandoned plan was quite slow, and not exactly something one could drag around to race tracks. (it's basically a piece of the assembly line.)
The best thing would be a small helper battery where you could drive the car straight into the new battery. One station to remove the battery, then just enough battery power in the auxiliary to drive to the hot station with some form of quick plug with easy aceess hatch and the battery at the right height. Preferably battery in the front so you can see it too. And still this would require a lot of money, and/or time and engineering, to get right. And you still have to find a drive train and battery pack for 500 dollars. You can't lax the rules just because it's an EV.
@@JohannesKonow Nope, the EV exemptions are what makes it doable. It's just a matter of someone taking the time, and finding the money. The electric motor, batteries, and charging system are exempt from the $500 limit according to the official race rules. "3.L.2.a All EV-drive-system chargers, batteries, motors, controllers, connectors, and cables do not count toward the $500 price limit. (To inquire about price exemptions for other EV drive-system components and almost certainly be rejected, contact Lemons HQ.) 3.L.2.b All mechanical components adapted from ICE vehicles for your build (examples include motor mounts, transmissions, differentials, driveshafts, and suspension components) do count toward the $500 price limit." You just have to retrofit a beater with a tesla drivetrain and find a way to swap batteries to win. They do maintain that they will somehow find a million nickles (five and a half tons) to pay the prize in though...
Already finished EV Tractor. I sent Jay an email some time ago with a list of demands but I'll get right on an EV lemons build as soon as the Road Atlanta loophole is permitted.
What are the "swapping" rules for the $50k prize. In the early years of formula-e, drivers could switch entire cars. You clearly allow swapping engines and batteries. basically, what parts other than the transponder have to stay with a team entry in order for it to count. I know you have allowed teams to switch cars when the one they brung done blows up. Do they lose their original laps when this happens?
The spirit of the rules... you can return to the paddock and do anything up to placing the transponder on a different car. In many cases, if your car blows up to the point you have to buy/borrow/steal a different car, you've already wasted hours and can't possibly win, so they usually allow it. Driving into a trailer, moving the transponder to a fully charged and otherwise identical car, while highly amusing, would not be allowed. (even if you could win, which you couldn't.)
We're using BMW technology now, so it's "RANGE EXTENDER". (but, ya' know, lemonsy) The full quiet hour session is on my channel, btw. (thankfully, none of the volunteer corner workers mooned me as they hinted they would.)
with no price cap on the ev components, a tesla small drive unit gives you a lot of power in a small and efficient package. Use chevy volt batteries in the engine bay, and build them into a hot-swappable battery box. Make the entire box swappable so it's easy efficient and safe to swap them around
Jay, I know Hong Norr only finished ONE of the many CMP races we entered with our first gen CRXs but I'm pretty sure this whole electric thing will be our jam. No more swapping out blowed up D15s! Remembering the time we did THREE engine swaps over a weekend we have made the motor in our "crap from the future" CRX very easy to swap out. All we have to do now is figure out the whole battery, wiring, controller, BMS, swap, and charging stuff.....should be pretty easy since we have a bunch of electric RC car experience, right??? Respectfully, we WILL want the $50k in nickels as initially promised. See yins soon!!!!
Some do. And for some, it's more the constant elevation changes that make them sick. (I had an instructor at VIR lose it after riding two back-to-back sessions on patriot course. He was fine all day with hour +/- breaks between sessions.)
I could read the rules. Or I could just ask here if the spoiler can be made of a solar panel. And if the whole car body can be made of spoilers. And if the car itself can be made of bicycle parts. And if 18650 battery cells fit inside DOM cage tubing. Thanks!
Solar panels on a vehicle won't contribute much since the area's quite small and the panel won't be perpendicular to the sun's rays much, making the effective panel area even smaller. If your car weighs under 3000lb, you can use 1.75″ x .095″ tubing for the cage, and you can fit three 18mm cells within the 39.6mm ID of that tubing with a little space left for cell spacers. On the other hand, it's a butt turrible idea, and an EV lemon probably won't be under 3000lb.
We did once joke about using security door magnetic locks to attach to another car and use regen to recharge while still on track. Jay didn't like that idea very much.
It you want to go the solar route... you'll need over 75 square meters of panels. (and that's with insanely expensive 400w/m2 panels) 18650s are absolutely the worst option. The round shape is volumemetricly inefficient. And the thousands of steel tubes encasing them add up to a significant mass. (Telsa went this way because they were cheap and abundant at the time.)
@@jfbeam Thanks - well aware of the energy needs here, just kidding around. At this point, in order to win overall for EV, a factory battery sponsor will have to get on board with multiple swappable high power density packs - and a badass charging system cranking out around 10 million fire ants (maybe 100KW continuous throughout race for a tiny car). Still lots of fun to build up to that point!
So what accomplishment is needed to win the $50k? That wasn't clear. Also, how does budgeting really work with EVs? All those controllers, motors, batteries, very $500 my ass! Others are commenting that EVs are exempt from the budget restrictions (probably because EVs haven't been around long enough for there to be many $500 electric turds), but does that mean someone could just enter a stock straight-from-the-showroom Tesla Model S P100D? What are the rules of what makes an EV a "Lemon" if not the $500 budget (which I feel is ignored by many teams with gasoline cars too)?
To win the $50k, you have to win a Lemons race overall. The way that the official rules read on the website essentially say that the $500 budget rule still applies to the car itself, but anything EV related (motor, controller, batteries, charger, etc.) are budget exempt. Even a showroom fresh Model S wouldn't be able to win, as it can't charge quickly enough (all least not at the track anyways...). Pretty much the only way to win the way I see it is to have multiple battery packs that can be very quickly hot swapped. That said, I'd really like to try it, even if it's unlikely I'd win...
It varies by track, and race day conditions. (i.e. how many hours is the track closed to hoover up bits of an E30, or wash off 36gal of oil.) The basic numbers... run for 14hrs at "race pace" (some cars at some tracks exceed 120mph), less than 2min pit stops, at least 2hrs apart. (and you'll still be beaten by a 3cyl miata with a fuel cell, or _anything_ diesel.)
Maybe use a saabaru as a base or have enough components to sell from a 92x aero as subaru parts to try to negate the price for batteries and motors? Not that the prize money would matter in the end honestly, just about penalty laps
ICE cars replaced EVs that were actually better cars until 1905. A stock 1.7 liter Plymouth Horizon TC3 can cover more miles in 24 hours than the most expensive Tesla or Taycan.
The earliest Dodge Omni 4 Dr was literally a Volkswagen Rabbit... The Rabbit was considered a marvel, while the Omni a POS.. I believe the Volkswagen owners maintained their cars better....
You have to consider that Dodge isn't really known for it's build quality or quality control while back in the days german manufacturers were known for their incredibly high standards. And we have to remember that VW Golf/Rabbit was quite advanced for econobox of it's time. Advanced technology and shit quality usually means a lot of problems. I also believe that service was way better for Volkswagens as dodge mechanics propably weren't familiar with VW's design and it took them some time to learn how to work on them.
Please Please PLEASE paint this car to look like the Interceptor from mad max, You could do a fake supercharger that instead of blowing air to what would've been an engine, down to the electric motor to keep it cool. ;)
Due to pollution in afraid that it'll be more and more difficult for you to do that. Manufacturers are becoming more and more interested in EVs and Volkswagen has even said that they were going all electric by 2026. Even if the other manufacturers aren't really interested, Volkswagen is, and because of how massive Volkswagen is they would need to make a vehicle to compete with them.
0:42 Literally all the time. For instance, Konigsegg has free-valve tech that lets a 3 cylinder make 600+HP, and Mazda is using deliberate knocking tech to make their cars more efficient. Also, it's I.C.E., not "ice".
This is kind of my problem with the attempt to switch to electric. (saw the pun?) They never seem to match the performance of the IC car. In 20 years maybe when there is a rotten enough tesla to buy a genuine tesla drive train for 500 dollars and have a good working hot battery swap system you could potentially win this. I have said many times, when the electric car can win the Dakar rally, it is truly a match for the IC car. Until then, I'll wait.
@@Joesolo13 if you live in a city, sure. If you however have some distance to work or shops or similar because you live in a village or in the country side, they are crap. And you'd have to get one as a second car rather than only car.
The real trick here is that the $500 rule doesn't apply to anything that is part of the EV drive system (motors, batteries, etc.). So effectively as long as you start out with a $500 rolling shell as your platform you could potentially have an unlimited budget.
The rules for homologation for Lemons are incredibly rigorous and difficult to fulfill. Rule 1: The vehicle must be a car. Or at least something that resembles a car. Unless it doesn't. Rule 2: See Rule #1.
I feel like electric cars are the definition of "$500 my ass!".
actually think about an insight chassis. cheap as fuck, steering rack is already electric... i've paid as little as 120 bucks for clean title examples in shit condition, especially the cvt ones, which we don't need anyway...
rear suspension is already able to tolerate WAY too much weight, so modern ev batteries would be no problem.
Actually electric cars, especially old ones, depreciate as fast as a burning hay bale, so it probably wasn't too hard tbh
I'd also like to point out, during the 90s the government held electric cars in many fleets. I've seen Chevy S10 pick-up trucks, government built, electric. Believe me, that's a shitty car in today's means, thus, perfect lemon. The average price on this example is roughly $800/$1200 asking, so it's possible.
@@alecfleming373 with the ev s-10 , getting that 1200 down to 500 would be possible selling off the bed and stock batteries and rear suspension during the conversion to modern batteries. or it could be simpler to just cop a rear-ended 94-97 s10 for basically free and doing the conversion from scratch. especially considering the ev was front drive and probably handled like a civic pulling a trailer full of batteries.
@@jasonfifi Eh, they used a forklift motor and the existing factory 4 speed
The Chevy Volt batteries from the Electricia now power my house. :D
... right down to the ground. :-) (two of our drivers did cook a few of those modules.)
jfbeam If you guys take that car out for another run... You could probably get some more runtime out of the batteries if you build a KERS / MGU-K.
Oh, switching out that four speed transmission for a CVT might also allow you to get more top speed, acceleration *and* runtime out of the car.
And maybe soon, the Mk IX i3 batteries will be there, too. (gotta clean those up and sort out the ones that "burned")
That's actually a J1772 adapter. And it had never been tested before that 15,000mi road trip. If we ever do it again (sigh, and we will), we'll also have one of the 80A Tesla blocks -- because Teslas chargers almost always work, and we can get twice the power out of them. The first "APU" was a sams club generator, and it did not like being run at capacity inside an engine bay. The big orange trailer rig is a 25k generac "work site" generator. It went to Amelia Island and back without issue. So when we get that exemption to tow a trailer in a race, this thing will dominate other EVs.
Did you say "Trailer race"? Yeah, I've watched those videos... :)
You know if you grow your own potatoes, corn, sugar cane, whatever and then distill your own alcohol and run the generator off it , its is running on renewables.
Heh. In our "trailer race" you definitely do not want your trailer hit as it's your power source... and there's 6gal of gasoline back there. We had a 5gal boat gas tank on the roof rack to run the onboard for the Florida Man rally. (Jay won't approve that either. What could possibly go wrong with a pressurized plastic tub of gas over your head.)
You should put the engine from the generator in the car and drive the wheels through a transmission! I've seen it done a fair few times, and it works great.
spend $65,000 on a electric car over the next 5 years to get said car to finally win a race and collect said $50,000!
"To be fair to the mouse, an EV converted Plymouth Horizon is a good place to build a nest. I mean what's it gonna do, move?"
🤣
Do you guys have a huge spreadsheet of teams, cars, speeds, all that type of information? I would love to see a press sheet of your best a worst cars at the track!
the story about the fire ants was hilarious! I cracked up when I got to that part!
"Why are we doing this?" We want to keep our $50k.
Even if you had a Tesla with hot swap batteries you can't "hot swap" fast enough when you Have to drive back to the paddock a dozen times in a race.
Teslas are heavy. Find something old, light and aerodynamic like a Saab Sonnett and you'll need less energy to overcome drag and friction to cruise at a given speed and less energy to accelerate (though you could get about half of that energy back via regen). A track and car combination that allow a good driver to carry momentum through the corners would be ideal, and a driver who lifts before catching traffic rather than racing up to the bumper would be more efficient.
The $50k may be effectively worth less by the time it happens, but I expect one day there will be an EV lemon that can at least compete on laps.
A great deal of mass can be removed from a Model S. (see also: Spec Model S) But yes, battery swaps are the killer. It would be nearly impossible to build a system to rapidly swap out the 1600lb battery module that wouldn't also be infinitely unsafe. (you do NOT want that module falling out.) Tesla's abandoned plan was quite slow, and not exactly something one could drag around to race tracks. (it's basically a piece of the assembly line.)
The best thing would be a small helper battery where you could drive the car straight into the new battery. One station to remove the battery, then just enough battery power in the auxiliary to drive to the hot station with some form of quick plug with easy aceess hatch and the battery at the right height. Preferably battery in the front so you can see it too.
And still this would require a lot of money, and/or time and engineering, to get right.
And you still have to find a drive train and battery pack for 500 dollars. You can't lax the rules just because it's an EV.
@@JohannesKonow Nope, the EV exemptions are what makes it doable. It's just a matter of someone taking the time, and finding the money. The electric motor, batteries, and charging system are exempt from the $500 limit according to the official race rules.
"3.L.2.a All EV-drive-system chargers, batteries, motors, controllers, connectors, and cables do not count toward the $500 price limit. (To inquire about price exemptions for other EV drive-system components and almost certainly be rejected, contact Lemons HQ.)
3.L.2.b All mechanical components adapted from ICE vehicles for your build (examples include motor mounts, transmissions, differentials, driveshafts, and suspension components) do count toward the $500 price limit."
You just have to retrofit a beater with a tesla drivetrain and find a way to swap batteries to win.
They do maintain that they will somehow find a million nickles (five and a half tons) to pay the prize in though...
Already finished EV Tractor. I sent Jay an email some time ago with a list of demands but I'll get right on an EV lemons build as soon as the Road Atlanta loophole is permitted.
It makes me smile seeing a challenge like this up for grabs!
I could win this.
Join the church next door and convince them that they need to have 4 hours quiet time.
What are the "swapping" rules for the $50k prize. In the early years of formula-e, drivers could switch entire cars. You clearly allow swapping engines and batteries. basically, what parts other than the transponder have to stay with a team entry in order for it to count. I know you have allowed teams to switch cars when the one they brung done blows up. Do they lose their original laps when this happens?
The spirit of the rules... you can return to the paddock and do anything up to placing the transponder on a different car. In many cases, if your car blows up to the point you have to buy/borrow/steal a different car, you've already wasted hours and can't possibly win, so they usually allow it. Driving into a trailer, moving the transponder to a fully charged and otherwise identical car, while highly amusing, would not be allowed. (even if you could win, which you couldn't.)
3:08 Haha, just noticed the music selection, epic.
We're using BMW technology now, so it's "RANGE EXTENDER". (but, ya' know, lemonsy) The full quiet hour session is on my channel, btw. (thankfully, none of the volunteer corner workers mooned me as they hinted they would.)
Love the Electric Six soundtrack for this video.
Volkswagen microbus, converted to electric powered by a small army of hamsters in the back, the only fuel needed is food
*pushes glasses up nose
The two door Dodge Omni was called the 024. The TC3 was the Plymouth version.
with no price cap on the ev components, a tesla small drive unit gives you a lot of power in a small and efficient package. Use chevy volt batteries in the engine bay, and build them into a hot-swappable battery box. Make the entire box swappable so it's easy efficient and safe to swap them around
They should cut out a slot in the rear so they can just slide the batteries out onto a lift table and slide the new set in.
Jay, I know Hong Norr only finished ONE of the many CMP races we entered with our first gen CRXs but I'm pretty sure this whole electric thing will be our jam. No more swapping out blowed up D15s!
Remembering the time we did THREE engine swaps over a weekend we have made the motor in our "crap from the future" CRX very easy to swap out. All we have to do now is figure out the whole battery, wiring, controller, BMS, swap, and charging stuff.....should be pretty easy since we have a bunch of electric RC car experience, right??? Respectfully, we WILL want the $50k in nickels as initially promised. See yins soon!!!!
Is it just coincidence that that old Escort looks like a Talbot Horizon?
I have a really long extension cord
You may have cracked it. Set up a power outlet in the centre of the track and run it like a tether car. Sorted!.
Is that the elevator music version of Danger! High Voltage! by the Electric Six?
First one was electric Avenue second was the sound of silence
Oh dang, I didn't know y'all are in the Bay Area! Hella dope!
Do competitors need sea sickness tablets to cope with those wobbly ass cars?
Some do. And for some, it's more the constant elevation changes that make them sick. (I had an instructor at VIR lose it after riding two back-to-back sessions on patriot course. He was fine all day with hour +/- breaks between sessions.)
I could read the rules. Or I could just ask here if the spoiler can be made of a solar panel. And if the whole car body can be made of spoilers. And if the car itself can be made of bicycle parts. And if 18650 battery cells fit inside DOM cage tubing. Thanks!
also are we allowed to hot swap AA batteries from a trailer while on the track
Solar panels on a vehicle won't contribute much since the area's quite small and the panel won't be perpendicular to the sun's rays much, making the effective panel area even smaller.
If your car weighs under 3000lb, you can use 1.75″ x .095″ tubing for the cage, and you can fit three 18mm cells within the 39.6mm ID of that tubing with a little space left for cell spacers. On the other hand, it's a butt turrible idea, and an EV lemon probably won't be under 3000lb.
We did once joke about using security door magnetic locks to attach to another car and use regen to recharge while still on track. Jay didn't like that idea very much.
It you want to go the solar route... you'll need over 75 square meters of panels. (and that's with insanely expensive 400w/m2 panels) 18650s are absolutely the worst option. The round shape is volumemetricly inefficient. And the thousands of steel tubes encasing them add up to a significant mass. (Telsa went this way because they were cheap and abundant at the time.)
@@jfbeam Thanks - well aware of the energy needs here, just kidding around. At this point, in order to win overall for EV, a factory battery sponsor will have to get on board with multiple swappable high power density packs - and a badass charging system cranking out around 10 million fire ants (maybe 100KW continuous throughout race for a tiny car). Still lots of fun to build up to that point!
So what accomplishment is needed to win the $50k? That wasn't clear. Also, how does budgeting really work with EVs? All those controllers, motors, batteries, very $500 my ass! Others are commenting that EVs are exempt from the budget restrictions (probably because EVs haven't been around long enough for there to be many $500 electric turds), but does that mean someone could just enter a stock straight-from-the-showroom Tesla Model S P100D? What are the rules of what makes an EV a "Lemon" if not the $500 budget (which I feel is ignored by many teams with gasoline cars too)?
To win the $50k, you have to win a Lemons race overall.
The way that the official rules read on the website essentially say that the $500 budget rule still applies to the car itself, but anything EV related (motor, controller, batteries, charger, etc.) are budget exempt.
Even a showroom fresh Model S wouldn't be able to win, as it can't charge quickly enough (all least not at the track anyways...). Pretty much the only way to win the way I see it is to have multiple battery packs that can be very quickly hot swapped.
That said, I'd really like to try it, even if it's unlikely I'd win...
I hope Rich Rebuilds gives it a shot. :D
His whole channel is about restoring/swapping EV junkyard parts.
That would be amazing!
should have let them use the trailer to race
"Stuff happens that's new"... Sorry to burst your bubble, but EVs have been around for over 100 years now.
It will be me....
I don't know *how* you're gonna get that thing anywhere near the $500 mark, though? Lithium batteries aren't cheap.
Electric cars are budget exempt.
@@ronvickersjr1703 And batteries are "fuel".
P90D, no shit!
What's the basic target of this prize, i.e. what's the average lap count for past overall winners at any particular track?
It varies by track, and race day conditions. (i.e. how many hours is the track closed to hoover up bits of an E30, or wash off 36gal of oil.) The basic numbers... run for 14hrs at "race pace" (some cars at some tracks exceed 120mph), less than 2min pit stops, at least 2hrs apart. (and you'll still be beaten by a 3cyl miata with a fuel cell, or _anything_ diesel.)
Is there an electric blue colored car loophole?
Maybe use a saabaru as a base or have enough components to sell from a 92x aero as subaru parts to try to negate the price for batteries and motors?
Not that the prize money would matter in the end honestly, just about penalty laps
Please talk about the NSFs old Pontiac.
I’m psyched!
Will this purse also be payed out in shrapnel
If it’s 50k in quarters ima shit my self
Is the p90D the diesel tesla?
Lithium batteries are freaking expensive
ICE cars replaced EVs that were actually better cars until 1905. A stock 1.7 liter Plymouth Horizon TC3 can cover more miles in 24 hours than the most expensive Tesla or Taycan.
The earliest Dodge Omni 4 Dr was literally a Volkswagen Rabbit... The Rabbit was considered a marvel, while the Omni a POS.. I believe the Volkswagen owners maintained their cars better....
You have to consider that Dodge isn't really known for it's build quality or quality control while back in the days german manufacturers were known for their incredibly high standards. And we have to remember that VW Golf/Rabbit was quite advanced for econobox of it's time. Advanced technology and shit quality usually means a lot of problems. I also believe that service was way better for Volkswagens as dodge mechanics propably weren't familiar with VW's design and it took them some time to learn how to work on them.
No, the Omni was a Simca design. Some of them had VW engines, though.
@@judgephil6456 I'll take that....
50k..... in nickels
Over 2 tons of nickles brought to your house in a dump truck to paraphrase the Lemon website
@@1mariomaniac yeah
Does it still have to be a $500 car?
EVs are exemppt from the $500 rule. Spend as much as you want, we did.
I wouldn't use the word "want", Bob. (we don't talk about how much has been spent on Sparky; we just keep spending.)
Has anyone won this yet?
Wait till you have to replace the batteries in a Tesla
I see some college doing this lol
Please Please PLEASE paint this car to look like the Interceptor from mad max, You could do a fake supercharger that instead of blowing air to what would've been an engine, down to the electric motor to keep it cool. ;)
$500 My Ass!!
(I'm so happy to be the first with that)
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So rlly what you're saying is that if you can spend less than $50k to build a butt turrible EV and win 24oL, you get your money back and then some?
I wouldn't drive a Electric car if it's the last one on earth
Trust me. You _WANT_ to drive the Electrica!
Due to pollution in afraid that it'll be more and more difficult for you to do that. Manufacturers are becoming more and more interested in EVs and Volkswagen has even said that they were going all electric by 2026. Even if the other manufacturers aren't really interested, Volkswagen is, and because of how massive Volkswagen is they would need to make a vehicle to compete with them.
0:42 Literally all the time. For instance, Konigsegg has free-valve tech that lets a 3 cylinder make 600+HP, and Mazda is using deliberate knocking tech to make their cars more efficient. Also, it's I.C.E., not "ice".
For that comment you are never allowed to pronounce an abbreviation as a word for the rest of your life.
😍❤️⚡️ 🔋
This is kind of my problem with the attempt to switch to electric. (saw the pun?)
They never seem to match the performance of the IC car.
In 20 years maybe when there is a rotten enough tesla to buy a genuine tesla drive train for 500 dollars and have a good working hot battery swap system you could potentially win this.
I have said many times, when the electric car can win the Dakar rally, it is truly a match for the IC car. Until then, I'll wait.
Really depends on what you're doing.
You getting a little econobox to fart around for errands? EVs can do that no problem. They're a great daily.
@@Joesolo13 if you live in a city, sure. If you however have some distance to work or shops or similar because you live in a village or in the country side, they are crap.
And you'd have to get one as a second car rather than only car.
The real trick here is that the $500 rule doesn't apply to anything that is part of the EV drive system (motors, batteries, etc.).
So effectively as long as you start out with a $500 rolling shell as your platform you could potentially have an unlimited budget.
What are the homologation rules for Lemons? Could someone build say 9 electric cars out of plywood and then one that's fast?
The rules for homologation for Lemons are incredibly rigorous and difficult to fulfill.
Rule 1: The vehicle must be a car. Or at least something that resembles a car. Unless it doesn't.
Rule 2: See Rule #1.
It must be a real, mass-produced car. Tube frames and other boutique production methods (read: timber frames like a Morgan) are not Lemons legal.
Welp, I guess if the need is an overall win, there's always sabotage...
@@ronvickersjr1703 so just find ariel atom after fire convert to EV don't work??