16GB of VRAM on a 6 Year Old GPU? AMD RX 580 16GB
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- You can now buy a modded version of the AMD RX 580 2048SP with 16GB of VRAM. Not really sure why they would make this or think it's a good idea as the GPU is mostly too old for 4K.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:05 - Unboxing
1:41 - Similar to Sapphire Nitro Card
2:14 - Disassembly
2:50 - Specs
3:08 - Fixing and plugging in
3:19 - In windows
3:30 - Utilizing 16GB
3:57 - GTA V
4:29 - RDR2
5:29 - RE3
5:59 - Forza Horizon 5 1080p
6:37 - Forza Horizon 5 1440p
6:52 - Forza Horizon 5 4K
7:00 - Flight Simulator
7:56 - Star Wars Jedi Survivor
8:27 - 3DMark TimeSpy
8:46 - Kinda useless card - Ігри
Laugh all you want, but these cards were going up to $1000 in the era of ETH craze. Especially when DAG went over 4GB and 8 GB cards could not support 2 DAGs.
Seems like it would've been a good time for me to have a few to sell. Unfortunately I never did.
@@ArtisChronicles One of imperfections of this world are right events happening at the wrong time 😁😆
Its Scalping Time!
What is DAG?
@@lebbiiyy Directed Acyclic Graph . Somewhat complex thing, but basically it keeps record of transactions. And grows over time, naturally 😁
Use Lossless scaling, because if you got bottleneck form vram the upscales can't help you because it takes from vram so 8 GB won't help you in Forza horizon , Flight simulator nor Star Wars Jedi Survivors.
Those crazy Chinese.
I looked into these weird cards, along with the 16GB RX580 2048SP's I found mentions of an Frankenstein RTX 3080M with 16GB of VRAM! I made a few enquiries to the various Aliexpress/Alibaba sellers and yeah it does exist, the price was crazy though.
I still kinda want one. Supposedly there is a 16GB 3070M 16GB version too but I couldn't ever find one. What I do know is that there is something called the Frankendriver project which makes these weird frankenstein high VRAM mobile Nvidia cards actually usable.
theres also a 2080ti with 22gbs of ram
@@seanwood5443that one doesn't require any custom firmware though, it's legit just a 2080 ti with 16Gb GDDR6 modules instead of 8Gb ones. you also move a resistor around on the PCB to adjust the memory straps to accomodate the new memory chips
I guess those are mine card
@@user-yt9yg5se8u The 3080M 16GB would be a pretty good Stable Diffusion card, I think it's roughly the speed of a desktop 3060Ti but lots of VRAM is good for machine learning stuff.
I want one now. Lol.
Borderlands 3 launched with the parameter -notexturestreaming eliminates the game's notorious stutter by loading all the textures at once. Uses ~12GB of vram at 1440p and load times are longer (but stutter is almost completely gone).
Another older game with high vram usage is Far Cry 5 with the HD texture pack enabled. ~11GB at 1440p
Yeah Far Cry 5 is a good example. GR Breakpoint as well. A 16gb RX 580 would definitely benefit in these games if you just want higher res textures
Far cry5 is already an old game? 💀
@@BrenoAgmL 2018 iirc which is 6 years ago
@@abesmissioncontrol2013
6 years inst old.
@@BrenoAgmL it's pretty old
Now this is my kind of content. subbed.
imo, it's wrong to call that an RX 580, when it is clearly an RX 570
nobody asked
@@white_mage "nobody asked" you to comment either
@@RANDOMNATION907 yeah same
could you test Stable Diffusion or any LLM, these kind of applications need that vram
True ma boi
i was gonna say this i might get it as a second gpu just for that.. i have an 6900xtx atm
RAM doesn't matter if the GPU itself sucks for AI.
@@tendosingh5682 ik but its the Same for the opposite and for ~100 you get 16gb and are able to Run sdxl without running Out of vram.
No ROCM = bad time
2048sp is such a let down for an 16gbvram the original 2304sp is much better and i think this is a mining card that just refurbished to modified chips and boards and just putting some low quality heatsinks
I reckon even the full 2304 SP will not have the grunt to use 8GB of VRAM, let alone 16 GB.
That's why these only exist in the 7600XT, 6800 / 7800 and above for AMD and RTX 3090Ti, RTX 4070 Ti and above for nVidia, and the Arc 770 for Intel.
Well, it is a mining card 😁
2048 sp is a 570 rebadged as a 580 in chyna
@@MusicHavenSGNot even the 7600 is able to use the full 16GB in gaming scenarios
@@shadowopsairman1583 it's a 580, but the 2048sp makes the performance almost identical. The dye on both original 570 and 580 are the same, which means this is not a 570, it's a downgraded 580.
Use it for AI models, llama via ROCm setup, they typically use more VRAM and rely less on the raw speed of the GPU itself.
sus name for a gpu
LOL @ THS gpu not workingproperly hey China fix your sh it please.
Wtf are you talking about
@@AgentLazarusWatch the video.
@@JubbLaRacing no.
@@AgentLazarus, You don't want to Save A Dic?
These cards would be perfect for localised AI workload which must be the sole reason for their creation
that's exactly what i was thinking. So many people think that a gpu's sole purpose is gaming
I'm from China and as indie developers i heard there are fair amount of ppl using this for content creation/AI purposes.
im curious if these things are used in clusters for neural models given that vram is the status quo on artificial intelligence right now
You could have also used frame scaling in GTA 5 to push the VRAM usage even further, like much further absurdly further even
"All solid state design" Wowsers! No vacuum tubes or tape machines? Amazing.
Could you run some benchmarks between the 8g and 16g with OLLAMA and Mistral? Afaik this gpu should be powerful enough to run either model but, the 16g should be able to run either with less quantization for more relevant responses.
This card never used over 8GB. The first number is Allocated VRAM. The second one is the used VRAM and it never went over 8.25 GB. Not once. Now, if I am wrong and those numbers are reversed, which would still make sense, it means the game is being allocated the full 8GB but is using a little bit more as it's there. Either way, unless the driver knows the memory is there, it's next to useless. I would look for a modded driver for this.
Doom eternal can consume over 7GB on a RX580 / 1440p. Try it.
congrats on 1k ^_^ , good video .
you should have tested EFT (Streets of Tarkov map) or Gray Zone Warfare, both use up to 24GB of VRAM at higher settings and resolution, maybe in another video you can test that?
eft reserves vram it can get but actual used vram for me was under 10 gigs on 1440p high
I doubt that a game could even use 24GB of VRAM my friend
@@FireCestina1200 Brother it can! I have a friend with an RTX 4090 and he showed me the metrics and the VRAM usage was around 23GB out of 24GB especially in Streets of Tarkov map!
@@abcd-vk8zn But not when you enable streaming mode, Streaming textures in real time is heavy on the VRAM trust me
I don't play streets so I didn't know it was that bad
Are there settings in games where you can select high textures but lower resolution?
Seems that it is the preloaded textures which make a better look to objects vs resolution at the low end...?
Thermal pads on plastic backplate?
Dont you want your gpu to melt while gaming? Whats wrong with you?
I wonder whether it's down to the way RX580 manages its VRAM. It's possible that, knowing their cards will only go up to 8GB, AMD never bothered doing any optimization for handling (loading/clearing) large amounts of memory. Or it's just down to low-end memory chips.
Well, it's clearly just an RX570 that they decided to market as an RX580.
I didn't think the 2048sp was a guess. It was aimed at internet cafes in China specifically.
Video edit 4K Davinci Resolve ? Ok no hardware support for codecs in export but vram for effects ?
Honestly this sounds like it's a mining card rather than a gaming one, but I'm sure others will have suggested just that
Need 4070 with 24gb vram
FH5 and probably others start "skipping" items when out of VRAM. This is why the 8gb card handily outperforms the 16gb one even though it's "out" of VRAM.
I still support this existing, even if it's fundamentally a weird idea... Although not entirely unheard of, as AMD themselves stacked together two 16gb 2304 580s on a single card. Yes, you read that right. Two of everything, for a total 32gb of VRAM.
No.
16GB is seemingly a waste when paired with this GPU. It was only ever meant for mining with a large DAG and nothing else.
@@kingeling It's definitely a waste in the context of a 2048SP for gaming. But it's fun hackery and interesting because of it... And the potential of taking an actually-VRAM-constricted card and bringing it into the modern era.
Ohk so what's the mining performance on that
I think that it would be useful to try some FSR settings, as they eat up more RAM than standard.
Just subbed hoping for a 100k subs this channel is great
for vram test you can disable the antialiasing since this does not take vram but slow a lot the gameplay
i bought a couple of the to try and run large LLMs for super cheap, its a bit slow bit it works
Why you using msaa on 4k?
Keep running it , it will train in more
can you do transcoding tests such as Jellyfin, plex etc? I'm verry curious how many stream this can can handle with 16gb of vram. I've subscribed to your channel to follow if you make this kind of videos in the future! Good video btw
For my experience Plex n stuff is more CPU intensive. Since it fried the fuck out of my CPU. I might did something wrong though.
Interesting. Only this and the VEGA FE have both 16gb VRAM and Crossfire support.
The best case for these types of cards is for video editing and image rendering, CAD and other calculations
Rx 580 is a legend, still going strong ❤
What about laptop gpu ?! Can you upgrade vram ?!
Try max/med settings but at low resolution and use upscaller too. Then play an open world game that has a free flying camera mod and fly the map completely to max out vram.
Memory bound issues are seen as stutters, but when your gpu core is loaded at 100% you can't really see them.
I think doubling the vram isn't for gaming much, maybe for workstations whom use rendering applications? Those as am aware of require alot of vram to do their work despite what the card is.
This would be good for VRChat, as that game hogs RAM of any kind. VRAM or system RAM it doesn't care.
The extra VRAM can also help if a game just bulk loads the assets and doesn't require further loading, which can help with framerate stability. This could be useful for GPU enclosures with limited PCI-E bandwidths.
for VRAM test you need proper workloads focussing VRAM directly while being less impacted by unified core counts or speed, Blender 3D can be rly good for that on some 3D scenes, OCCT also have a VRAM stress test, generative AI workload of all kind can also be rly good to test out VRAM with models that would not fit into 8GB
From 10 fps to 13.5 fps on Flight Sim is large increase on performance! Dammmm
I would recommend testing older games that have UHD texture packs, such as Monster Hunter World, R6 Siege, and even Skyrim. They don't require too much compute but do necessitate a lot of VRAM.
You would be able to get the benefits down the line with newer games and improved fsr3 frame generation mods to where you could probably get over 30fps but not with 4k. Fsr3.1 will decouple frame generation so you could even use frame generation without mods later so yeah other than the sp 16gb vram would be useful.
Frame gen with a base FPS of 15 would look awful (interpolation artifacts stay on screen much longer) and feel worse due to increased input lag
I miss my Rx580 and 570. I wish i haven't sold them . I'm a distributor of these cards on my local area and never got the chance to save one for myself as they sell like hotcakes still to this day. I only get to used them during testing and benchmarks but it is one of the best cards i tested and sold.
THE DICA WHAT
The Dica Saver! You wouldn't want your Dica to not be saved, would you?
Lol, and here I thought it was pronounced dic-azz-vr...
dic a saver
Large Language Models ('AI') sometimes need more RAM. To the point where a hacked APU BIOS to give the iGPU more framebuffer is a valid way to run larger language models.
The 780m can already use 16GB
would've been good to see actual use cases. Yeah showing max settings is cool but even mentioning 1080p high would've been cool.
tbh I think this just makes it useful in stable diffusion as the 16gb vram will be actually used
The gpu might be made to use 16 gigs vram but it doesnt mean it can operate with all of it on 4k or 1440p... so its pretty hard to make it work with the 16 gigs vram on a aceptable framerate.
what are extremely tuned bios RX 580s
Most of the RX580 cards are limited to 180W of power consumption. With a "Tuned" bios you can unlock the power over 300W; ive owned a RX580, ran for years on watercooling and clocks beyond 1633Mhz with a voltage of approx 1.375v and temps below 60W. When i ramped up furmark, and opted for the most violent power stress that was available, i saw peak power spikes of well over 360W over one 8 Pin connector. They are fun to play around with but they lack any punch beyond 1080 or 1440p.
i think you will need custom drivers to make sure the system utilizes the whole 16 gb
Not all of the settings in games affect your VRAM as much. Texture quality, model quality, distance LOD, ect will use your VRAM, but a lot of post-effects and stuff are more load on the GPU itself than the VRAM.
Went pretty much as well as I expected - more VRAM does you little good when the GPU itself doesn't have the pixel-pushing power for how high details have to get cranked up to actually use it. If you prioritize getting to 60+fps (or 40+ with adaptive/g-sync) over eye-candy, 8GB is enough to cover most of the details entry-level (~$200) GPUs can handle.
Exactly. 16GB on radeon vii doesn't help it at all for gaming nor the extra on 1080ti. They are not man enough to power games and resolutions that require that extra vram. 3090 will be the same.
It’s like giving a decade old cpu more than 8 gigabytes of ram, once in a blue moon where it really benefits from it
Could be nice for NCNN based AI tasks but using it only for AI is not a good idea. It would be nice to see a comparison with emulators such as Dolphin.
If my original RX 480 8GB actually had 16GB I wouldn't be swapping to system memory in Conan Exiles years back. That game was regularly at 10GB of vram out of 8GB that I had.
Try running an LLM on these or run productivity, because that is where 16GB really shines
could you try putting them in crossfire? Since VRAM isn’t doubled but rather shared, maybe having the 16gb vram shared between that and the 8gb model could be a use case?
Hardly any new games support multi-GPU anymore. But the last time I played Overwatch, it did support my SLI GTX 1080.
I have two 8gb 2304 variants, and their performance in crossfire is dismal compared to a single card. About half the frame rate in most games that support multi GPUs...
Hang on, its a 570 with less SP and you compared it to a 580? It's actually doing very well then lol. To equal a 580 just with more ram is quite interesting,maybe faster ram too? Curious what straps were.
Why disassemble without benchmarking first, u could have just bent the io plate back in place.
i think they made it for mining ? maybe thinking who knows
16gb does not mean you can game in 4k, the RX series are made to game only at 1080p with a mixture of graphics settings but the video was nice to watch
test beamng shutoko or yakuza maps. those use well over 8gb of vram and run just fine on those cards.
You should try Black Ops 3, back in the day it ate the Titan's 6 GB VRAM for breakfast lmao.
I always wonder....I have an old 1060 6gb vram but it when I open it up there are empty slot for vram to be balled in wonder you can "upgrade" it hahaha
2048 sp is just rebrand of RX 570, so basically the real rx 580 will outperform the 2048 sp version
I think scenario to put more weight in vram is mod the game with ultra texture then you can try to compare
AMD Radeon RX 580 SP was getting aim during ETH mining in 2019 , 2020 & 2021
Maybe try using the gpu for stable diffusion or ai art work. Those applications use alot of vram. Sadly stable diffusion isn't easy to set up for amd cards
Same exact specs as a rx 570 so why did they bother calling it a 580 at all
I recommend using Beamng, it will definitely use more vram than these games. I got a 3060ti and on ultra settings 1080p and it runs out of vram.
the 16GB of VRAM might be useful (or it'd be proper to say nice to have) for doing stuff like 2D waifu generation using Stable Diffusion, 2D image upscaling and denoising using waifu2x, or 2D art and/or general image restoration using RealESRGAN
I would like to seeitovetclocked and watercooled
With this video then people would not getting fooled by taking a graphics card which not powerful engine but with more vram, cuz the vram it self is being made for decent numbers and for the chipset which can manage.
They should do this on more recent low mid level gpus.
Those extra vrams will help you a lot. By lot I mean A LOTTTT. In productivity applications such as Catia, Cinema 4D, Adobe primer and most importantly Photoshop that's solely dependent on VRAMs 💯✨ maybe it's for creative people on a budget. Because at that price range 16GB GPUs are basically non existent 😅
The memory is pointless in the games it can handle. But if you use it for things other than games. That extra memory does come handy. Things like running local chat GPT type of servers.
i love this cards sadly its not good because of no driver or gpu support. Though i did use it for my steam deck build since linux still support and updates these cards for long term use. I ran rdr2 75-85 fps 1440p.
This is done by using hex editor to edit the bios of an rx 580, quit easily as well.
For most close/over 200-250 bus speed card. Having more/faster memory can be very useful (especially powerful) for the RX580 speed so slow than you will not gain more performance. You might be able to max out more on graphics. But you still will have less FPS.
Additional note (especially for dumb Nvidia user or peopke with low knowledge) if a game need 9GB of VRAM and your card have 8GB. Even if the card will use less than 8GB it's just because it will cut some graphics. Or you will have less FPS. That's why if you compare a 4070 and a 7800XT. You can have the 4070 using 11 584 MB and the 7800XT 13 684 MB it's not the card managing worse his memory. It's the game cutting on some graphics.
Seems good for Davinci Resolve setup, hope "GPU Memory full" warning not happen anymore 🤣🤣🤣
The only thing this modified card would be good for is getting more life mining ⛏️ on the same card!! The extra vram would be definitely used even a modded Bios and using 2gb chips to equal 32gb vram would also be used up in a mining ⛏️ rig but for gaming the textures are just not big enough to use up the ram.
there is some point in time in which GPU might still push some game at min. settings but the minimal vram requirement of a given game will exceed the ammount of VRam that the GPU has...
let's take GTX 960 for example... the 2gb version it is very limited since way back in the day for modern tittles. The raw power of the GPU might me around 1050ti performance, but with only 2gb of Vram many games won't even start. On the other hand, the 4gb vram version can still play many games.
AMD never cheaped out in VRam, gpus like R7 370 already had a 4gb VRam version, and honestly in 90% of games a 4gb VRam setup will be just fine for 1080p. 8gb it is a need for very specific games (at this point in time, mid 2024) or higher resolutions BUT i'm pretty shure 3 or 4 years from now the 8gb version of the Rx 580 will still be running games that the 4gb won't...
that being said... the raw GPU power and driver support won't make reasonable to use a 16gb vram version of the card. Maybe an Rx 590... and just maybe...
Interesting if that's possible to try the similar with 5700XT? Its GPU is far more superior
I think what is most popular modified card at here is 2080ti 22g, it has cuda
The 580 was (still is) a 1080p card, absolutely not suitable for 2k or 4k gaming. When games like GTA V or rdr2 came out, 8gb of vram were almost overkill for 1080p gaming. I still have a 480 from Zotac, rocking on my daughter's rig.
Imagine upgrading the capacitors and all the other little components......
this would sell like hotcakes back in 2017 when eth mining was booming
This is the equivalent of putting mud tires on a geo metro.
Aliexpress really don’t want this card to die, huh?
That's an interesting company name...
Whoa.. that's one really weird name for their product.. WHOA...
No Last of Us and Harry Potter? I thought these two were the most VRam demanding ones..
AI :| you can do a benchmark using stable diffusion or comfy flow (AI uses lots of vram and it might be slower but still faster than using the bus)
-Buy 2 rx 580 8gb
-Get da ram
-Open the rx 580 16gb
-Put the ram there
-Now 32gb ram
if only u could see what happens when a vega series has double the ram :(
i guess it's nice for loading big AI models for cheap
It doesn't support rocm tho so it's basically useless for ai too
@@NobbGamingOfficial kinda, still can brutforce through directml, but yeah some used nvidia gpus would be better for not much more money
Nah, it's just for a huge DAG
You should test it in Hogward Legacy.
That may be more suitable for AI tasks.
For gaming people make VRAM such an issue when they can simply lower quality/resolution to reduce amount needed.