@@niccollsvideo Italian Westerns! Yay. I can just imagine you wearing a stetson, chewing on a cigar and squaring up against Tony 'The Kid' Northrup outside the saloon, to see who was fastest. I reckon Northrup would be in line for a wooden overcoat.
@@niccollsvideo You should write two different scripts with the same information and then dub. That way it will be easier to do and still entertaining.
I want an episode of full overdub but with the voices switched. Chris’s voice coming out from Jordan’s head - Jordan’s voice coming out from under that hair. You should offer that as the reward for getting to 350k subs by the end of the year 🤪
@@petouser good image quality for stills doesn’t always translate to good video image quality. A camera needs good bit and data rates in addition to a quality sensor
Pentax made a variety of decisions that made the camera less than it could of been: 1. Even working within the confines of AVCHD, where Pentax could of encoded at ~25Mbps, they top out at ~20-21 Mbps. This has obvious consequences in image sharpness/detail. 2. The K-01 does record PCM audio, to bad the sample rate is 32 Khz. What were they thinking? Were they thinking? It would be nice to know who pulled that one out of their backside. 3. Attaching an external HDMI screen auto-switches the camera into playback mode. So you have no way of working around the lack of an EVF with an external monitor. Be aware the rear LCD screen is low resolution and very hard to see in sunlight. Please note all three of the above issues have to do with Firmware/Software decisions, not hardware.
The K-01 did amazing!! This may need to be DP Review TV’s video camera of choice from now on! As payback, it may be time for a vintage 35mm focal length shootout for Chris!!
Interesting! As long as the audio was bad, I was noticing the Pentax's low quality video. 10 seconds after the sound was fixed, I completely forgot about it.
@petouser Jordan explained the problems with this camera in a subsequent episode. In summary: - The image is soft yet oversharpened - The dynamic range is extremely small, so it takes a lot more work with lighting to shoot it outdoors - The IBIS is useless - You can only use lenses wide open - No headphone jack or audio level display (which reared its ugly head here with the audio clipping) Pros like Jordan can compensate for many of those shortcomings, particularly by artificially lighting a scene, but it's definitely a pain in the ass.
This is the kind of lens that might yet tempt me back into full frame.. I don't need absolute razor sharpness in a zoom and these results still look well-acceptable for my personal use, so I'd gladly pick this over a 24-70 2.8's extra bulk even at a bit of a compromise.
The lens looks fine and all, but what this episode really convinced me about is that getting a Pentax would be fun. I’m sure a lot of people besides myself would be VERY interested in a little behind-the-scenes discussing which lenses you are using on the K-01, as well as what post production is like compared to the S1H. For me, the most noticeable improvement in video tech in the past decade has had to do with how much more easily my computer can handle video footage-it used to struggle adding effects to a 5D II in 1080p, now a similar level MacBook can zoom through 4k with no stutters or setbacks. I imagine that for that reason, post production on the Pentax must be so much better than it used to feel circa 2012.
Reviewing this on my Apple Watch, the video looked great. At 1080p you can tell it's not very sharp, mushy details and lots of digital sharpening on the edges, was that the camera or post? Colours looked good enough. I'll bet most people would be focusing on the story and the quality from the reviewed product and not the output from the Pentax. From that perspective it worked just fine.
Am I the only one who didn't notice much of a difference in the video? This review would be far, far better with some comparison shots to the Tamron and larger Sigma as well as laying out the trade-offs: weather sealing, weight, magnification, etc. Honestly this was very light on information for someone to make a decision on.
@@gusatvoschiavon a normal person would the two stops greater noise, the equivalent measurement would be more useful for OP. No hate against mft, I use it myself
I agree that maybe that extra 200 is worth it for the 24-70 but I have been seeing a lot of stuff online about excessive dust getting in that 24-70 lens which leads me to stay away from it. I've seen it on tons of reviews on multiple websites and it is also on reddit as well with multiple users showing evidence of this being an issue with the lens.
This is basically where I am at. I would be content to deal with the extra weight in exchange for the extra features and improved sharpness but I'm not dropping €1100 on a lens I need to strip and self-service to remove dust, I don't want to deal with that. Also, while the 28-70mm is not weather sealed, the 24-70 sure as fuck isn't weather sealed very well if lots of dust is getting in after a matter of days in the case of some people I've seen.
I think we need much more challenging shots for the Pentax. That still looks way too good. Come on, give us something to work with here for all the subscriptions! Also, nice work on the intro. How much work went into that mock-up of the K-01 on the S1H?
I ordered on Amazon the Sigma 28-70mm F2.8 DG DN and the Sony 24-70mm F4.0 Zeiss in order to compare them on my a7c. I was convinced I would prefer the Sigma but I actually ended up keeping the Zeiss because the image quality is simmilar if not slightly better on the Zeiss, it also has a wider end and it's cheaper. I am extremely surprised about this, especially since I've read a lot of negative reviews about the Zeiss. I'm curious if anybody else had the same impression about these lenses? PS: I've also tried the Sony 24-105mm F4.0. It's definetly a better option in termes of image quality. The only downside is the weight and size.
The dub over brought back memories of late nights watching Japanese obstacle course shows on comedy center AP. I forget the name of the show. Hilarious.
Hi Chris, just watched this review and your concluding comments where taken on board. The two lenses reviewed were pretty good but I decided to go with Sigma 24-70 2.8. thanks excellent review.
@Jordan - K-01 audio is only 32kHz, and yeah, you're over driving it. Did you shoot on the DA40XS? Read my comment on the previous video for tips on the colour profile settings that work best with the K-01. Also, where in heck did you blokes find the Black on White body? That thing's rarer then the Smurf!
I have to ask was that 28mm and 70mm edge curve test done with internal camera correction on? Has Sony or adobe put out the camera corrections and the Lightroom corrections yet?
The K-01 was a good camera with great image quality and a design that wasn’t for everyone. I happen to like it. Video quality was alright for 2012, which, as we can see here, is still fine for youtube. No, I can’t reach the green button either.
We were only expecting visual change, but they give us bonus on audio change as well xD Love how Jordan uses Jurassic Park font styling to let you know it's 'ancient' ;D
Correct me if I'm wrong but the close focus distance on the contemporary version is significantly closer than the Art version, right? I believe the contemporary approaches Macro range
K01's image quality is still great, and Chris and Jordan's skill on audio dubbing is amazing. Can you please do a small interview and let Jordan talk about his experience with K01 after these episodes? :p
I'm all about smaller and lighter lenses but so far it really seems like this is Sigma's weakest performing lens. I was hoping this would be the perfect lens for my A7c but I'm not convinced that this has the Sigma IQ I've come to expect! Great job with the dubbing btw - spot on!
24-70 is better but much heavier, so guess depends on which body you use. For A7C, 28-70 is a perfect pair, but for the bigger A7? 24-70 is well balanced. I bought this 28-70 to use on A7C, it works great, but if I need to use a zoom on my A7R4 I stick with 24-105.
Is it linear manual focus on the sonys tho? This is THE biggest downfall of the tamron imo...(the tamron is unlinear and its almost impossible to manually pull focus in video...)
The video actually looks pretty decent! Frankly hard to see any difference between it and previous videos. Full HD is plenty for UA-cam videos. No doubt it though took more of an effort than with a modern camera. The audio was of course terrible - but it should not have been. I have shot video using either the internal microphone on a K-01 or an external one and the outcome was reasonable, far better than what they got. So there must be something wrong with this particular camera or some weird compatibility issue with the camera and the microphone.
Please dub all of Chris' parts from now on. I am enthralled.
Doing that ADR was brutal. If we make Italian westerns we can overdub, otherwise never again.
@@niccollsvideo Italian Westerns! Yay. I can just imagine you wearing a stetson, chewing on a cigar and squaring up against Tony 'The Kid' Northrup outside the saloon, to see who was fastest. I reckon Northrup would be in line for a wooden overcoat.
@@niccollsvideo You should write two different scripts with the same information and then dub. That way it will be easier to do and still entertaining.
Seriously. I’m imagining James Earl Jones himself coming in to lay down some Vader Mufasa vocal action.
I want an episode of full overdub but with the voices switched. Chris’s voice coming out from Jordan’s head - Jordan’s voice coming out from under that hair. You should offer that as the reward for getting to 350k subs by the end of the year 🤪
The overdubbing is hilarious :D Next time Jordan should overdub Chris and vice versa. ;-)
That was like hello from the 80s ))
Love that idea 😂. Make it happen guys!
Omg do it!!
2010 era UA-cam audio quality is my jam.
I’m genuinely shocked at how good the video quality was and how well Chris did with his voice dubbing. It was pretty convincing.
why would the image quality be not good? pentax makes decent cameras with good sensors. you probably shouldn't expect the best autofocus.
Weed be legal here too breh 👍😉
@@petouser good image quality for stills doesn’t always translate to good video image quality. A camera needs good bit and data rates in addition to a quality sensor
Pentax... not the camera we want, but the camera we deserve. Remember, we asked for this...
Pentax made a variety of decisions that made the camera less than it could of been:
1. Even working within the confines of AVCHD, where Pentax could of encoded at ~25Mbps, they top out at ~20-21 Mbps. This has obvious consequences in image sharpness/detail.
2. The K-01 does record PCM audio, to bad the sample rate is 32 Khz. What were they thinking? Were they thinking? It would be nice to know who pulled that one out of their backside.
3. Attaching an external HDMI screen auto-switches the camera into playback mode. So you have no way of working around the lack of an EVF with an external monitor. Be aware the rear LCD screen is low resolution and very hard to see in sunlight.
Please note all three of the above issues have to do with Firmware/Software decisions, not hardware.
Switch to the Pentax! The Audio is really oldschol youtube
The K-01 did amazing!! This may need to be DP Review TV’s video camera of choice from now on! As payback, it may be time for a vintage 35mm focal length shootout for Chris!!
Probably the best footage you've ever shot. What camera is that Jordan? :-)
Pretty sure that it is the Sony A7R III as we can see the name at 8:20 in the top corner right
@@killian2826 did you feel that go over your head??
Interesting! As long as the audio was bad, I was noticing the Pentax's low quality video. 10 seconds after the sound was fixed, I completely forgot about it.
I'm gonna say it. The Pentax wasn't that bad. Hats off to Jordan.
I'm gonna say it as well. Pentax sucked more than a black hole inside a black hole.
@Nic - It can do better then this.
Yeah, nah, it sucked.
@@kaimelis what makes it so bad?
@petouser Jordan explained the problems with this camera in a subsequent episode. In summary:
- The image is soft yet oversharpened
- The dynamic range is extremely small, so it takes a lot more work with lighting to shoot it outdoors
- The IBIS is useless
- You can only use lenses wide open
- No headphone jack or audio level display (which reared its ugly head here with the audio clipping)
Pros like Jordan can compensate for many of those shortcomings, particularly by artificially lighting a scene, but it's definitely a pain in the ass.
This is the kind of lens that might yet tempt me back into full frame.. I don't need absolute razor sharpness in a zoom and these results still look well-acceptable for my personal use, so I'd gladly pick this over a 24-70 2.8's extra bulk even at a bit of a compromise.
will there be a RF version?
The pentax quality combined with the audio really reminded me of your old videos from the Camera Store days. Keep up the good work!
The Pentax quality is actually better than I remember!
Should we expect another attempt at a BMD Ursa 12K video?
I'm so glad you guys got to 300K just so Jordan suffers by filming with a Pentax
I can not imagine how many hours Jordan has to spend to get this production
I’m rly sorry, but it’s many* not much
@@thomastewksbury39 corrected
@@thomastewksbury39 a canadian detected 😏
Honestly I just want a side by side comparison with the Tamron 28-75 F2.8.
P.S. I love the improvisation for the audio issues.
Yep. The Pentax image quality looks fine to my eye, at least for YT. Please do this with a Pentax Q when you guys reach 400,000!
Wow! Pentax footage looks great. Very stylish. Soft, but with a distinct feel. Good job, Jordan!
ever since the pana s5ii I am getting interested in the L-mount with sigma lenses.
You two are by far my fav on UA-cam for camera related videos. How you don't have 3M+ subs is beyond me. Thank you for doing what you do
So is the Tamron better overall apart the busier bokeh?
The lens looks fine and all, but what this episode really convinced me about is that getting a Pentax would be fun. I’m sure a lot of people besides myself would be VERY interested in a little behind-the-scenes discussing which lenses you are using on the K-01, as well as what post production is like compared to the S1H. For me, the most noticeable improvement in video tech in the past decade has had to do with how much more easily my computer can handle video footage-it used to struggle adding effects to a 5D II in 1080p, now a similar level MacBook can zoom through 4k with no stutters or setbacks. I imagine that for that reason, post production on the Pentax must be so much better than it used to feel circa 2012.
The potato audio and video quality is perfect. I feel like I'm in the early 2000s all over againi
Lockdown here in the uk....I have been so looking forward to the K-01 episodes!
That was the best. The reviews are always great, but the dubbing was so good.
Video quality on that Pentax not as horrible as I had expected. The overdubbing just made me realize how fast Chris talks
Reviewing this on my Apple Watch, the video looked great. At 1080p you can tell it's not very sharp, mushy details and lots of digital sharpening on the edges, was that the camera or post? Colours looked good enough. I'll bet most people would be focusing on the story and the quality from the reviewed product and not the output from the Pentax. From that perspective it worked just fine.
Make a Pentax review after you're finished filming with it. I wonder what are your thoughts :D
The video of the pentax is far better than I thought it would be.
Since the audio was messed up just means they need to do another review with the Pentax 😂
Filmed with Pentax, video watchable in 4k. Gotta love it. 😁
I have the panda and bumblebee K-01 bodies. I got my second K-01 for $180. I love them.
Am I the only one who didn't notice much of a difference in the video?
This review would be far, far better with some comparison shots to the Tamron and larger Sigma as well as laying out the trade-offs: weather sealing, weight, magnification, etc. Honestly this was very light on information for someone to make a decision on.
keep shooting with the Pentax K-01 i like the vibe
Sigma or Tamron for gimbal? A73
This Iron Chef dub is something which every future Episode should have. It's an instant Classic, this Video!
Can we all agree that companies need to invent 20-55 2.8 instead of this and 12-24
20 - 50 f2 id say
Panaleica 10-25 is a 20-50 3.4 equivalent
@@1fareast14 DOF will be f/3.4 in FF equivalent terms but shutter speed will be about twice as fast as f/3.4 on FF for a given ISO setting.
Just call it a f1.7 lens like a normal person
@@gusatvoschiavon a normal person would the two stops greater noise, the equivalent measurement would be more useful for OP. No hate against mft, I use it myself
Fukui-san! Can you tell us what the Iron Chef has going into that pot?
Another great demonstration that you can get away with a bad picture quality but not with bad audio...
I agree that maybe that extra 200 is worth it for the 24-70 but I have been seeing a lot of stuff online about excessive dust getting in that 24-70 lens which leads me to stay away from it. I've seen it on tons of reviews on multiple websites and it is also on reddit as well with multiple users showing evidence of this being an issue with the lens.
This is basically where I am at. I would be content to deal with the extra weight in exchange for the extra features and improved sharpness but I'm not dropping €1100 on a lens I need to strip and self-service to remove dust, I don't want to deal with that. Also, while the 28-70mm is not weather sealed, the 24-70 sure as fuck isn't weather sealed very well if lots of dust is getting in after a matter of days in the case of some people I've seen.
🤣😂You guys are the best!
the K01 had the K5 sensor and I have used this camera for years with very good feeling!!
I think we need much more challenging shots for the Pentax. That still looks way too good. Come on, give us something to work with here for all the subscriptions! Also, nice work on the intro. How much work went into that mock-up of the K-01 on the S1H?
The over dubbing sounded almost as bad as the clipped audio. At least the image looked better than the Ursa mini 12k
What happened to that video? They took it down.
The Pentax video looks fine, I'd say you found Jordan's new camera.
That overdubbing killed me! 🤣🤣🤣
You guys are putting out INCREDIBLE content! 🙏🙏🙏
I ordered on Amazon the Sigma 28-70mm F2.8 DG DN and the Sony 24-70mm F4.0 Zeiss in order to compare them on my a7c. I was convinced I would prefer the Sigma but I actually ended up keeping the Zeiss because the image quality is simmilar if not slightly better on the Zeiss, it also has a wider end and it's cheaper. I am extremely surprised about this, especially since I've read a lot of negative reviews about the Zeiss. I'm curious if anybody else had the same impression about these lenses? PS: I've also tried the Sony 24-105mm F4.0. It's definetly a better option in termes of image quality. The only downside is the weight and size.
Bought the Sigma solely because of the compactness on a7c and the 2.8 aperture
The dub over brought back memories of late nights watching Japanese obstacle course shows on comedy center AP. I forget the name of the show. Hilarious.
MXC! Get it onnn!!
@@Brentbrussellthat was it! I think the funny episode for me was the Halloween special and the shark guy in the “Lilly pad” course.
the video quality (including audio) really brings me back to the old days, not in a bad way though.
Literally just watched the live stream from sigma haha. Nice work guys
Hi Chris, just watched this review and your concluding comments where taken on board. The two lenses reviewed
were pretty good but I decided to go with Sigma 24-70 2.8.
thanks excellent review.
the dubbing was actually quite refreshing :)
@Jordan - K-01 audio is only 32kHz, and yeah, you're over driving it.
Did you shoot on the DA40XS?
Read my comment on the previous video for tips on the colour profile settings that work best with the K-01.
Also, where in heck did you blokes find the Black on White body? That thing's rarer then the Smurf!
The blackmagic review was very weird. Hopefully you atleast publish a statement or something
I am curious how the Sigma e mount 24/70 f2.8 Art compares with the new Nikon 24/70 f2.8 z lens.
Is the distortion easily correctable in video editing programs such as Premiere Pro?
How is it the Pentax footage somehow looks over sharpened, and mushy at the same time?
Means Jordan used the wrong colour profile, and then copped one of the issues Pentaxians know about with the CoDec's bit rate.
Yep. Exactly my thought process as well. I'm going with the Sigma 24-70 instead. Better performance.
I have to ask was that 28mm and 70mm edge curve test done with internal camera correction on? Has Sony or adobe put out the camera corrections and the Lightroom corrections yet?
The K-01 was a good camera with great image quality and a design that wasn’t for everyone. I happen to like it. Video quality was alright for 2012, which, as we can see here, is still fine for youtube. No, I can’t reach the green button either.
Too bad you couldn't test the burst rate on A1,
was the sample images also filmed om thePpentax or directly added to final video.?
Has Sigma made the 28-70 f 2.8 for the Nikon z?
I'm surprised to find the 2160p option on this video...
As a former Pentax shooter, this gets a huge thumbs up. 😁
Why does it click images of file size 10mb - 15mb in JPEG. Although my camera is 42mp ?
We were only expecting visual change, but they give us bonus on audio change as well xD
Love how Jordan uses Jurassic Park font styling to let you know it's 'ancient' ;D
Correct me if I'm wrong but the close focus distance on the contemporary version is significantly closer than the Art version, right? I believe the contemporary approaches Macro range
Yes
K01's image quality is still great, and Chris and Jordan's skill on audio dubbing is amazing. Can you please do a small interview and let Jordan talk about his experience with K01 after these episodes? :p
To eliminate sound clipping, reduce in camera menu Recording Sound Level below middle point (two bars are OK).
Saw the Paper Camera - I laughed hard.
Then the Jurassic Font - laughed harder and spilled my coffee ☕️😂
Struggling to find prices for this, I think it has to be fairly inexpensive in order not to be tempted up to the 24 70 Art
I feel like if people ask for something to be shot with the Pentax they should have to get the whole experience, bad audio and all. LOL
What happened to the ursa 12k video?
The overdub is making me LOL so hard!! So incredible hahahahaha
Omg dub everything from now on.
Love this youtube duo!!!!amazing videos very funny and awesome to watch!
who the hell is gona buy this lens instead of the sigma 24-70 or the tamron ?
This is the best...excellent effort!!!
Was hoping that Jordan dubbed Chris, that would have been awesome.
I think I want to buy that Pentax from you when you are done with it.
I'm all about smaller and lighter lenses but so far it really seems like this is Sigma's weakest performing lens. I was hoping this would be the perfect lens for my A7c but I'm not convinced that this has the Sigma IQ I've come to expect!
Great job with the dubbing btw - spot on!
have no reference for the weight, how many nocts?
24-70 is better but much heavier, so guess depends on which body you use. For A7C, 28-70 is a perfect pair, but for the bigger A7? 24-70 is well balanced. I bought this 28-70 to use on A7C, it works great, but if I need to use a zoom on my A7R4 I stick with 24-105.
Vs 24-70 gm ii please 🙏🏻
Guys, is a Nikon Z 50 1.2 review in preparation?
Hilarious plus an excellent and thorough review. Thanks!
Is it linear manual focus on the sonys tho? This is THE biggest downfall of the tamron imo...(the tamron is unlinear and its almost impossible to manually pull focus in video...)
Making me laugh .5 seconds into the review is always a win
Amazing this K01 is in focus all the time! My K01 is out of focus in photo mode half of the time.
The video actually looks pretty decent! Frankly hard to see any difference between it and previous videos. Full HD is plenty for UA-cam videos. No doubt it though took more of an effort than with a modern camera. The audio was of course terrible - but it should not have been. I have shot video using either the internal microphone on a K-01 or an external one and the outcome was reasonable, far better than what they got. So there must be something wrong with this particular camera or some weird compatibility issue with the camera and the microphone.
and i JUST got the Sigma 35mm f/2 for my S5 ugh. the L-Mount alliance is heating up!
Oh I'm sorry, does "recording using a pentax k1" mean only recording video using a pentax k1? NO IT DOESN'T. Gimme that sweet pentax k1 audio.
K-01*
The video and audio quality of this channel is slowly going back to the StoneAge and I kinda like it lol
Finally!! Pentax is making it into the UA-cam community !! Gotta love Pentax SLR !
Great video and content. That camera seems a bargain. One for the camera bag. The 28-70 was ok but completely overshadowed by the K01, result!
if the dub's aren't harder to implement please do it in every video. I love the 90's hong kong movie feel of the video !
It is probably shorter than the Tamron 28-75?
That dub work was solid 👌
Better image quality than the Blackmagic they shot with a few videos back!!