Does Victor Wembanyama Shoot Too Many Jumpers?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Victor Wembanyama on his way to becoming a superstar in the NBA. But are there limitations to his style of play?
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Popovich just basically gave him 3 plays the past year and let him do his thing to see his tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. Year 2 will be more of putting him in positions to succeed. He is on the right path.
My answer is NO! He is just a rookie. We need him to develop to a player that he thinks he can be. Limiting him to just take inside shots are not really ideal right now because he can still develop his outside shots. And if he truly wants to become the GOAT someday, he needs to become threats inside the paint and three point area. Maybe cut the shots in the mid range BUT he can put those attempts on 3s.
Why does he need to be a threat outside?? Answer that?? He is 7”6 he produces more stress closer to the basket I’m fine with him stepping out in the flow of offense. Maybe a Brook Lopez level or boogie but I would pushing him away from an kat or Myles turner type. I just think we say everyone needs to shoot idk why wbu would need to shoot. I would develop it but I think if you double down now and focus on inside transition to outside later he would better for it. A jumper is a bailout for defense and he should put max pressure on defense. With his moving ability and physical tools nobody. Should be able to guard him.
@@elijahhutchings7947 I get what you and Shaq mean, but he's still a rookie he can decide whatever his game will be... Steph has evolved the game with his outside shooting so much we already know how valuable having a great 3pt fg% is. If he's as lethal as Durant at threes while also being a DPOY-caliber player he'll undoubtedly retire as the GOAT.
@@elijahhutchings7947old head gotta learn that centers shoot 3s now. Why would I want a center that can’t/refuse to shoot shots? If I saw a center pass up an open 3, he’s getting benched
@@Km-ot4qf that simple not true we just saw isaiah hartenstein be one of the best passers and bigs tear up the league the get a pay day, Rudy gobert will be remembered as one of the best bigs of his generation, Jarret Allen and nic claxton have been high sought after talent that majority of teams want, Kevon looney won a chip and has went up against guys like sabonnis and made a difference in the series being a big and out rebounding, Robert Williams elevate the Celtics lineup. I can
Go on but you get the picture. There was a video called “the myth of the stretch big” by Alex hoops which illustrates it much better. It focused on guys who could both shoot 3s and protect the rim. In his criteria only miles turner, Brook Lopez, Chet, Joel embid,jjj, Al horrford, tingus pingus, and wemby. These are the only guys that both fit as a rim protector and 3 point threat. This is evidence this archetype is not as common as people think and Wemby is actually different. So water it. It’s a tool in his toolbox but it could become detrimental fast for him and his greatness. I never said stop shooting threes I just want to know what advantage that creates for his team??what does that do for him?? He should develop it but only take em when they are in the flow off the offense,set shots, mix some middys coming of actions, etc. I watched him this year try to size up guys like Kelly oubre or daris garland then take a fading three and airball. Thats a bullshit shot. Thats what I’m talking about. It should be constant pressure that’s a bailout. The discussion was never about if he should shoot em or not but if he should shoot less
Reasons he should shoot less
1.)pressure/playing advantage=
Wemby is 7”6. We would never tell a guy 5”9 post up. It’s away from his advantage and what he does well. When Wemby steps out even if it looks cute he is stepping away from his advantages. Based on his physical tools and ability to move Nobody should be able to gaurd him. He should offer the same thing pascal siakim does in being a mismatch for everyone every night. He is too tall for bringing guys or could use his speed. This is where some threes could come into play and going to wing to use even more speed. And he is too tall, moves too well, and to skilled for smaller bigs. He should optimize his stress and defense want him taking that jumper cause we all know there is not much we can do with a guy like Wemby. School yard shit. We also watched him put up 30pt games this year. He got em by having a stretch where he just decides to stand in paint not by making jumpers
2.) spacing/creation of wrong decisions=
Yes stepping out creates space but due to Wemby’s uniqueness he creates much more space than other players under the rim and in dunker spot. Trae young to capela or jokic to Gordon to get a mental picture. They role down the lane if Clint’s guy or AG guy help too much boom easy lob/dump down and if they don’t help free runs to the rim. Wemby is a bigger target and can go upstairs to a level others cannot. This makes defenders not come off him at all on help or if they come off slightly dunk. Teams will try to get smart and tag but because it’s Wemby there tags are much harder. He can develop to become a good screen touch passer etc to really punish teams for taging, also when you throw it to him in the post he already gets double and will develop if you get him to be phenomenal with post moves teams could do nothing. You don’t help dunk you do kick out to give his guard to play off the advantage he just created. Thats space
Injuries/ability to move=
Bigs get injured more. Partly what I feel is cause we ask em to move in ways they shouldn’t. Look at kemba and ish smith shins when they change direction. Look at the positions their bodies are in some bigs can do that. MPJ, JT, KD but some can’t like AD Joel Wemby. They make moves much slower less violent and grace full, less in these body positions,etc. we say he moves like a guard and he doesn’t he can handle the ball yes but point guard he does not move like. Also in the position you have to stop hard. A little guy undercutting you hitting your knees and you have to stop all your energy. Guys get under your landing spot shooting threes especially if you shoot over them like Wemby does,etc not to say he can’t get injured under the basket but on there I think it’s more likely.
He missed 11 games this year. Which I’m fine with I give guys 15 games of grace. That is roughly a month of basketball and if you do a simple non series roll of your ankle you could be out two. But I mention him missing 11 games because they load manage him and I except the numbers to rise as he plays. It’s something to watch for but it’s a way to mitigate the risk of injury.
I’m done sorry for the long thread j just like talking ball.
It’s not an oldhead. I’m just thinking. He does most his work down low not outside so that tells you he should be more down low. Get your one or two threes cool but don’t fall in love with it your advantage is point blank. There is a reason AD is shooting less threes. Yall do always look at the game and go off that. You go off talking points. Why is he shooting volume threes like what’s the benefit in that?? Would there be more value in him shooting volume threes or working and grabbing more boards offensively and bringing in a volume shooter so the two can work off each other??
Since it’s election time and you said centers just shoot threes and have to now imma say in my best Donald trump voice….
“Fake News”😂🤣
Feel free to share thoughts tho
@@elijahhutchings7947I agree and in the bigger picture if you have a big body even in this league most likely you're not a good 3pt shooter. Either you go the Embiid way, jacking up 3s but not being efficient or going the Lopez way taking shoots efficiently as a role player, and there's a reason why he made himself a name in the league again not many bigs can be like him and let's not forget that the star of the show in Milwaukee is not a 3 ball menace.
if you doubt that wemby taking high volume of 3 points is a good idea, here's wemby vs the player with the highest 3 point volume in the league rn (outside of steph ofc lol) :
in europe :
18yo Luka : 20.4pts per 33min, 57/33/82% (6.6 3PA per 33min)
18yo Wemby : 22.2pts per 33min, 56/28/83% (5.1 3PA per 33min)
in NBA :
Luka : 21.7 per 33min, 50/32.7/71% (7.3 3PA per 33min, +0.7 since europe)
Wemby : 23.7 per 33min, 53/32.5/79.5% (6.1 3PA per 33min, +1 since europe)
We can see that both were already the same kind of scorer and both were taking high volume of 3s in europe the year before their rookie season, then proceeded to make almost the same progression when going to the nba, lower 2p%, still inefficient 3p%, and a considerably higher 3pt volume.
Now lets break their respective NBA rookie seasons :
19yo Wemby :
-shot 32.5% on 5.5 3s per game (6.1 3PA per 33min)
-in his first 20 games shot 25.5% on 5.1 3s per game (5.6 3PA per 33min), (started the season with around the same volume than in europe)
-in his last 50 games shot 34.9% on 5.7 3s per game (6.4 3PA per 33min), (took 1.3 more 3pts per 33min than at 18yo)
-in his last 30 games shot 35.3% on 6.3 3s per game (6.6 3PA per 33min)
-in his last 20 games shot 33.8% on 7.0 3s per game (7.1 3PA per 33min)
-in his last 10 games shot 33.3% on 8.1 3s per game (8.1 3PA per 33min)
19yo Luka :
-shot 32.7% on 7.1 3s per game (7.3 3PA per 33min)
-in his first 20 games shot 38.3% on 6.2 3s per game (6.1 3PA per 33min), (started the season with around the same volume than in europe)
-in his last 50 games shot 30.7% on 7.7 3s per game (7.9 3PA per 33min), (took 1.3 more 3pts per 33min than at 18yo)
-in his last 30 games shot 27.3% on 7.9 3s per game (8.0 3PA per 33min)
-in his last 20 games shot 27.6% on 7.8 3s per game (7.9 3PA per 33min)
-in his last 10 games shot 21.8% on 7.8 3s per game (8.0 3PA per 33min)
In those stats we can clearly see that in their rookie season, both proved to be able to consistently shoot 35%+ on 6.5 3s per 33min or less, both % started to fall when they took a higher volume, both finished the season shooting around 8 3s per game (so high volume) inefficiently.
If we add that both are main options who take a lot of crazy shots, that both are way better off the dribble than on catch and shoot, and both are tall asf for big volume 3pt shooters we can conclude that they are as similar as it get as rookies 3pts shooters.
now what did luka did after his rookie season ?
started right were he left it at, in his sophomore season he kept increasing his volume even if his % was getting lower, and it paid, cause it instantly made him go from the low 20s to a almost 30ppg scorer, and that ever since this sophomore slump he's been a consistent high volume and efficient shooter and effortlessly around 30ppg every season.
clearly, even in europe, wemby been on the same exact track as luka scoring wise, if not better, why would he suddenly stop and become a one level scorer when luka's been the 2nd best scorer in the league at 24yo, and that his best weapon is by far his 3pt volume ?
we're in a league where the two best scorer are embiid and luka, scoring wise wemby is the closest thing you'll see to both, what would happen if embiid who was scoring 36pts in 34 minutes per game with midrange, fts and dunks was suddenly able to take 10 3s per game like luka ? what would happen if luka could score as fast and as reliably as embiid by being absolutely unstoppable in the paint and forcing fouls in every match up ? giving a response to those questions should be wemby's goal scoring wise. And I personally think he is on track to do it. even if he shoot 30% on 8 3s per game the whole next season, he'll still be on track to do it, but I think he might do even better.
Shaq always hating, if he was in a lakers jersey the glazing would be real.
Shaq only thinks of physical dominance.
He’s afraid someone will be considered more dominant than he was
@@Ascending11 true, and physically speaking, I don’t think anyone will surpass his legacy.
That's my thing with Shaq, he only shows respects for some past players and wants to put himself in this big boys club while trashing everyone he deems below him.
Sometimes it's not even fair criticism just hate and I wouldn't want to be in McGee or Howard's shoes having to deal with Shaq the media mouthpiece
Bro jus said the same sentence 40 different ways for 14 mins
bro didn’t watch the video
I enjoyed the video
Nah he just had alot of filler sentences that wasted time
He also edited some nice clips for us.
The idea is to create something the league has never seen and currently has no answer for. If the analytics still look iffy at the end of year 4, they'll play him more to his natural strengths. He'll definitely develop as a shooter in the meantime, the only question being how much.
as they said "be careful on what you wish for" get ready Shaq for Wemby's breakout season man that Kid is hungry
To respond to Shaq, when you're shooting jumpers at an high enough % you might have a night off sometimes but you'll always create spacing for your teammates. That's a big thing to take into consideration, having a 5 that spaces the floor is very valuable too for slashing teammates. Of course, best would be to master both.
Wemby will b top 3-5
Player in the NBA
This coming year
BASKETBALL is Ez for him
He's only Gonna get Better
agree
I know I'm crazy for saying that lol its a stretch right ..
But this kid can actually do it all,and he hasn't even reached remotely his potential
He can b all defensive for the next 15 yrs plus
Not to mention scoring will become easier and easier the more he sees each match-up time N time again
He has so much will to win like he is truly gonna b GENERATIONAL
🐐
Your doing too much no he want he is a good player and will be good for years but you can’t just throw guys over others cause we like him top 5 is silly top 10 is unlikely. Bron Steph Luka JT Giannis AD jokic ja Jalen Brunson shai kawhi trae Joel and really I can go on. He is good and will pass a lot of guys in his career but can we not jump the gun. We should give credit to guys who been doing it
Wemby should keep taking 3s until he gets stronger, his length puts him at high risk for injury in the paint.
Shaq already admitted he’s jealous of wemby and that if he had the chance to he’d shoot more so I think this is obviously just shaq getting some media attention
If Wemby misses a jumper, he's usually in great position to transition to defense. If he misses in the paint, the otther team is in better position to run a fast break; with Wemby out of the way.
Skyhook is the great answer to those midrange. Easy to undestand and make but master it will help him a lot, an unbeateable skyhook. His point of rellease will make mid range easy yse.
Victor is tall, not big. With that being said, he shouldn't bang with bigs all the time. He'll get injured. Let him play his game & bang more over time as he ages. He can impact the game in other ways Shaq couldn't like drawing fouls & making free throws, assist & making others around him better. He'll need to get stronger over time
Wemby is light im sorry but unless he is like 260 with no injury problem gaining that weight i dont see a world that he is gonna be a post player entirely
insane how his midrange is somehow worse than his 3-point, I guess he's too strong for the midrange that his normal jump shot is awkward, maybe he needs to do floaters instead normal jumpshots to offset his strength and length if he does decide to work on his midrange
Hes not in balance
No he got heavy contested from defender who are much stronger than him
You rock man
His rookie season was be design supposed to let him experiment. Limit his minites to limit his impact. He had no structure to his game by design. This year will be different. Chris and Pop will get Wemby way more in the paint.
We don't want Wemby become a player who stays near the rim!! We want dreaming with him and his great expectations! Don't limit him, at 20 years old he has time to increase all his tools ...
I mean he’s not 300 pounds like Shaq he does enough for his weight imo
With that logic, Curry has never been dominant. Wemby is not Curry, but Curry is not Wemby. The fact that he can shoot from long range for his height, he is a hybrid of big and small
Yes in terms of efficiency, no in terms of letting him play freely for his first year, he will make wiser choices along the way
Wemby is the type of player i imagine myself doing on a mini hoop
10:37 bruh obvious travel what are the refs doing
IKR, pick a pivot foot, one per customer
he does. Hes so young and this new generation soft. If he can develop a hook shot, it’s over
W video
appreciate it!!
You mean, Shaq is right?!
It's pretty simple.
nope...
W click bait bro this guy's team is literally trash who cares
He’s just a rookie. He’s in a learning phase, he still has a lot to learn to develop a wide range of skills, and in any case, it’s in his character. He wants to learn everything and not limit himself to staying near the basket and dunking.
It seems, Shaq's idea of being a dominant player is coming from a purely physical standpoint.
Someone needs to tell him that being a dominant player means you cannot be stopped, no matter what!
It worked for him. Look sometimes less is more. Sometimes it's better to lean on your strengths. Look LeBron, his whole career he struggles as a shooter but I like to think that if he was a better shooter, he wouldn't use his physical advantage as much. Just because you could do it doesn't mean you should.@@Ascending11
criticizing him as a rookie shows how great he is
I think he does. Can't tell you how many times a game I'm telling myself "victor get yo big ass in the paint" 😂
🤡🤡
This is my first time hearing a player get criticized for having a bag. 😂 Wemby did indeed shoot a lot of jumpers in his first NBA season but still, majority of his attempts/makes still came from less than 5 feet away from the rim, so it’s not like jumpers were all he did. He was amongst the top players with the most dunks in the whole league last season. 😂 I say let Wemby develop his skills. In this modern era, everyone can shoot jumpers now and I think it’s more helpful for any team if their bigs can do that. Also, these first few years are very integral to Wemby’s development so let him work and improve his skills as much as he can now when their team is not yet competitive because I reckon in a few years, the Spurs will try to contend for the title and it will be great for them if Wemby can develop into a 3-level scorer who’s also an elite defender.
He should lead the league in fouls drawn
wemby will never be as good as a porzingus
Who hasn't made a 7'5" Steph in 2k?
Wemby isn't Shaq. He doesn't have the body type, Shaq didn't have Wemby's IQ, Wemby doesn't have Shaq's ability to intimidate and physically overwhelm. They are different players and will play differently. Wemby's ability to shoot jumpers will help him since he's not going to be able to back people down.
Outside the paint, Shaq wasn't able to do much. Inside the paint, Wemby won't be nearly as dominant. It's apples and oranges. I want to see Wemby visit Hakeem and learn post play from the Dream.
Wemby doesn't have a ceiling. You said Wemby won't be as dominant in the paint as Shaq. Are you on drugs? I watched Wemby cook guys all year in the paint as a 20 year old, skinny rookie. You think they will have a chance when Wemby is more experienced and developed. Plus, unlike Shaq, you can't foul Wemby or double team him because he shoots 80% from the line and is a fantastic passer, I've seen him throw alley oops from half court.
I have no doubt Shaq would have been the GOAT if he could shoot jumpers and also be a threat beyond the paint. If he could knock down his free throws, he would have easily averaged Wilt numbers if we’re considering the amount of times he was getting hacked. But alas, he didn’t do that. He’s still the most dominant big man tho but just imagine if he did that. He would have been included in the GOAT convo.
I agree yes he takes too many 3s. He should take some in the flow but he has to know every jumper is a bailout. He needs to put pressure on the rim. Nobody should be able to gaurd him with his physical tools and ability to move. He needs a stubborn mentality when down low of imma do what I want and you can’t stop it. Like boogie or shaq had. I’ve watched him score 30 multiple times. Like you said he settles for jumpers then there is a stretch in the game where he stays close to basket and gets busy. He needs to do that all the time he is a unique case that it hurts when he steps away. Force the issue apply pressure. He should still work on 3 yes but your 7”6 play your advantage we don’t tell 5”9 guys to post up