Is a SHORTER DRIVER Better? With PXG Gen 5 Driver
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Driver Shaft Length - 44" Driver Shaft vs 45"
Is a Shorter Length Driver Better for Your Game? Driver Length Distance & Accuracy Test Using a PXG Gen 5 Driver
PXG 0311 Driver PXG Gen 5 Driver PXG Gen5 0311 Driver
I just ordered a PXG 0211 and had them shorten the shaft to 44", so now watching this video helps me validate that choice :) I play a 44.5" shaft driver now, and I end up choking down on the grip quite a bit (i am 5'8" tall, so not super tall). My only worry for this is how much it will reduce the swing weight with the shorter shaft.. I'll try it as-is to start, but am prepared with some lead tape to get it back up to a more normal weight.
Lead tape or aftermarket weights if you want to keep the cosmetics...
If you've ordered it shorter, they should swingweight accordingly from factory 🙃
I've played my driver at 44.5 for years. Just works for me.
Nice! Me too ....I think it could help many more golfers :)
New subscriber, love the content. Keep it coming bro. I play 44", I find it much easier to hit the sweet spot more often. God bless
Niiiiiice... Love That!! Welcome aboard :) comments really help the channel, much appreciated
Waiting arrival today of Gen 4 PXG 7.5°XT driver with 60 gram HZRDUS Smoke Yellow X stiff 6.5 length at 44.75 ". The club fitters at PXG recommended the shorter shaft with 110-115 club speed and 165+ ball speed. Let's go!
Niiiiiiice ....loving that combo ...I may have been able to handle that 10 years ago but not any more ....Working on getting myself fitter and faster to keep up with you big dogs next year :D
Good video. I’m working through this same thing at the moment. I cut my shaft back to 44.25”and immediately realized it affected my swing weight, and have been experimenting with lead tape to get it back up a bit. I’m finding adding the lead tape is increasing the smash factor and is more consistent. Once I get to a point where I’m satisfied I’ll remove the tape and add the correct weight in the head. To me, it’s easier to control the shorter shaft and be more consistent.
Love it ...what driver are you using?
@@FredzGolf it’s a PXG 0211 head with a Fujikura Pro 2.0 5R shaft cut to 44.25”. I also have a PXG gen 4 driver on a project x riptide cb 50 5.5 shaft cut down to 44.5”. I am mainly using the 0211 head because it had only 1 weight in the back compared to the 3 weights on the gen 4. Trying to keep it simple with the head, and I prefer the fujikura shaft as I have had great success using it in my hybrids and fairway wood
@@RonnieHymes Nice!! And there might be scope to swap the weight in the back for a permanent fix on the swingweight.. be it stealing a weight from the other head or aftermarket off ebay hehe
I’m still experimenting with weights on my gen 4 driver head to get it back to a good swing weight for me, after cutting the shaft down to 44.5”. I increased the weight on the rear from 10g to 20g and this feels really good to me. My question is if I wanted to set it up draw biased, would I just move the 20g to the heel and 2.5g in the front and rear? Or would it be better to put 10g in the rear, 10g in the heel, and 2.5 in the front? Any input would be greatly appreciated
@@RonnieHymes ooh that's a great question...
If you go [10g, 10g and 2.5g]... it's 2.5g less than [20g, 2.5g and 2.5g] 🤔 so would change the SW
Most forgiving place is to have that 20g in the back in terms of off centre strikes ...I'd say try that in the heel and the back and see if you can tell a difference on the course direction wise
The science is trial and error. Ive experimented with heads, shafts, grips, length etc and ended up with a Callaway B21 with Hzrdus smoke yellow playing at 45". I sometimes do on course head to head with pro shop demo's and havent found anything better, even with expensive upgraded shafts. My B21 came with a Riptide shaft and the combo was terrible for me..."trial and error"..
That's what all my videos are 😁 keep testing and see if something good comes about!
Long shaft adds too much spin (and some substantial lateral spin too, ending in more slices) for me, I hit my 44" 280-310 2800RPM spin and the 45.5" that came with it like 230-250 4500-5000RPM spin.
I know that is likely just an exaggeration of the flaws in my swing, but the 44" is usually in the fairway and 300 yards out, so I don't see a reason to address my swing when addressing the equipment worked.
Great video.
Ah Nice...yes sounds like that's a very good way to go ....especially if the rest of the bag behaves ok and you can treat it in a similar way swing wise
Lateral spin? The ball tilts rather than has side spin and that's caused by the face being miles open to the path which is much easier to do with low loft
@@mofojohnson1 Ahh, I see you are a true exper of semantics. I would suggest you speak to every instructor and Launch monitor manufaturer then, as side spin/lateral spin (lateral being a synonym for side) is the actual term used. Spin axis is obviously measure as well and is implicated as you meantioned, but I think it is obvious I just meant I slice it more, I will make sure to get every physics measurement for you next time.
WEBSTER'S:
Synonyms for lateral
side
@@thesetzers8952 my main point is that your slice is from face path rather than a high spinning driver
@@mofojohnson1 It's measured in backspin and sidespin (lateral) on launch monitors
Often in golf, you can't change one thing without affecting at least one other thing at the same time.
More loft on its own may increase backspin and reduce sidespin/curve (ie, a wedge doesn't curve much). Lower spin was what the chap above needed to increase distance
On this occasion it seems the length helped direction and distance, perhaps confidence and centredness of strike as well
I use my Mini 300 at 43.75, and consistently hit it well over 300 yards. I rarely use my driver anymore.
Nice! Proper weapon :)
I use a acer mini in at 43 in my Sunday bag and can hit it almost as far as my driver. I'm a little shorter than you at 215. About the same distance off the deck so I occasionally use it in tournaments to replace my 3 wood.
If it's the Acer thriver mini that's one great club! I've used one for six years now and haven't found anything to replace it!
Gonna try this at free PXG Black Ops $200 driver challenge fitting (thru 4/30/24). Bob upped his bet to $200 now to test my TaylorMade Stealth vs PXG for distance/accuracy. Def going to ask the fitter to try shorter shafts but same swing weight. I tried a 1" short driver for a bit a long time ago and didn't like the feel/swing weight. Maybe it was not set up right for me though. ~95ss usually roll out around 260-270yds but fight a bad pull/hook miss. PXG site claims avg 12yd gain and 97% win rate vs competitors. I'm looking forward to the fitting experience. Grip it and rip it, baby!
Nice! Yes theyll be able to balance up the swingweight so it doesn't feel too light :) ...Also gets more mass in the head which is good for MOI and ball speed
I got a fitting at PXG and not once did he give me a shorter shaft. I kept hitting out of the toe as I guess I was used to my shorter shafted Ping.
I know that extra inch doesn't mean that much but I really have to get used to it. Hit a simulator this past weekend and it definitely outperforms my Ping Max by about 10yds, and WAY less backspin which is why I switched.
Length is often overlooked and untested... to be fair there's so many parameters in a fitting, they should take half a day to do properly... I was chatting to a long term tour pro and his fitting was a week long for full bag ....we don't have the time for that and most people get tired tired after an hour and start making tired swings
The fitting textbook says if you're out the toe, then longer will bring the strike more central... The real world doesn't always fall in to place the same way otherwise you'd also miss the ball with every club less than a 3 wood
Glad you've got the extra yardage and better spin rates! Much more control in the wind as well ...Enjoy :)
Last season Had a SIM max at 44.5”
This season had a rad speed at 45.5”
Last week received a PXG at 46.5”
Based on launch monitor numbers the 46.5” has produced best numbers I have ever seen.
I know different models, but will be sticking with the long driver moving forward.
Ah nice ...glad that working nicely! thats what we all want :)
is it the XF head by any chance?
As long as your playing partners don't mind. Legal driver length has been 46 inches for sometime now.
@@jlnew10 I think it may be a local rule so depending on the club or competition?
@@FredzGolf Exactly, a couple of buds won't care it your driver is 70
inches but I play in several leagues a week and when everyone tosses $20 in a pot before the round you had better be USGA conforming with $300 skin on the line. Because you will get called out.
@@jlnew10 ah nice!! Hope you pick up some dollar there on the regular!!
Swing wieght difference will be at least 6 points tbf
Not quite 6 ... I debated doing the same swingweight in the test, but realistically, most people do it after the fact and get the swingweight drop 🙂
If I'm custom fitting a new driver, I'll change the swingweight in the test as it'll be ordered at the right swingweight from factory 🤓
Good video it is interesting to see the difference.
Yes I agree ....Length is often overlooked in a Driver fittings ...granted there is so many details to go through nowadays and the knowledge of the fitters vary!
Secondary to that it's worth considering it for Drivers already in the bag
Did you adjust for swingweight? This is very important
It is important, however, 90% of people doing this are cutting down their existing club and not accounting for swingweight
If you order from manufacturer (or a club builder like myself) swingweight will be accounted for and standardised
The shorter shaft, playing a little stiffer does in a way, do well playing at a slightly lighter swingweight
Never seen any issues that damage a golfer with swingweight after doing this while I was in a pro shop/retailer years ago... but would depend what the initial swingweight is before reducing the length (for example if it's already really light)
I keep a few various weights for various drivers to balance things out
Hi Freddie....just come across this video and I'm considering sacrificing a shaft to try this. Did you use same shaft flex & weight and trimmed from the butt end by 1 inch? Also....do you think that if you added heavier weights to the sole of the PXG....say 5g heavier each....would it reduce the left draw shape a little and straighten that grouping up a little? I'm doing plenty research on this as some suggesting it is better to go down a flex in shaft and use a heavier shaft by 10g say before trimming from the butt end. I'm not sure trimming 1 inch of a reg flex shaft (I currently play Stiff Flex) will change the flex too much without tipping it also....what's your thoughts? There is conflicting information out there about this but swing weight seems to be crucial to this, so it is easy to trim a shaft 1 inch shorter but may need to compensate that with weight on the head either using stock weights or lead tape. Curious to hear your thoughts 🙂
Hiya Hedgie 😁
The shafts were from the butt end, Yes
I didn't manipulate swingweight as the most common thing is for someone to simply cut the club down
It's a good idea to add weight to the head if the club in question allows / like adjustable weights in the PXG
Heavier swingweight can hold the ball to the right for a right handed golfer but in reality it does that for 7/10 golfers and once you get used to it you may just adjust naturally without knowing it anyway
Going down 1 Flex and up 10g in weight makes sense too as the shaft is stiffer once shortened and lighter so that balances it out - however I think the same Flex and weight playing shorter is part of the benefit as the shaft playing slightly stiffer can be what makes the dispersion better for 9/10 people I do it with in the studio
Hope that helps :)
@@FredzGolf Many thanks Freddie. I will give it a go and see how I get on. I have a Rogue ST Max LS and I can buy 3rd party weight cartridges to increase headweight if i find i need to. Very helpful mate, thanks 🙂
@Hedgie-zq4wf My pleasure 🙏 exactly what I'm here on UA-cam for!!
If you shorten the shaft do you need to add any weight to the head?
You don't "need" to ...99% of the time a club is cut down, there are no adjustments made for swingweight by the pro shop or retailer doing that kind of work
I do adjust the weight when I can here but sometimes depends on the head and the availability of aftermarket weights
In a way, the extra stiffness from playing shorter can mitigate the extra release from a lighter swingweight
If the club is adjustable or has weight ports to tinker, then that's ideal to get some extra weight in the head if you feel the need
I'd say reduce the length and then hit it and see how it goes to start with :)
What you didn't account for was the swing weight change. Dropping a full 1" likely dropped the SW by ~6 points, likely placing you into the C range and is probably the reason you were swinging faster. PXG's make it easy to add weight, so I suggest another video increasing the SW to match what it was at 45" and then see the difference.
I hear you... most golfer hit it right and most pro shops wont change the swing weight so it's relevant to the general consumer
I have just bought a pxg driver and it slices terribly, its not just me anyone who has tried it has the same slice, could there be something wrong in the set up if the club??
Ooh wasit new or 2nd hand?
Have you looked at the weight placement and loft settings?
I got shafts at 44.25”, 44.5”, 44.75”, 45, and 46… I hit em all 270 yds
Oooooooh there must be a difference somewhere :D ....peak height? spin? longer good down wind / shorter good in to wind?
@@FredzGolf I don’t jerk from the top as hard with the longer shafts lol
Does the length include the tip or without?
Length is the playing length with tip and head attached ...the raw shafts with adapter normally measure 1" less than they play when attached for most brands
So the shafts with adapters in this test were 43" and 44" before putting the head on
Creating 44" and 45" playing length hitting balls :)
nice trick, now reverse it and hit the longer shafted club second.
The video is already done 🙈 will bare it in mind next time
If swingweight isn't mentioned in this video, this test is irrelevant.
Lots of factors come in to a test like this, the direction of the ball went further left which is likely a factor influenced by the lighter swingweight
If someone were to CUT DOWN their existing driver in their local pro shop, they would likely ignore swingweight and have the same factors as this video... which is where the relevance is for those watching as it is consistent with that scenario.
@@FredzGolf personally I'd be making the point of how the swingweight needs to be corrected if this was going to be the direction someone was going to go down. All the major custom fitting outlets/UA-cam channels stress importance of swingweight
@@jonnydaniel195 Thanks, will bare it in mind
Will find the stress on swingweight and match or better others info moving forward
Still a young channel relatively speaking and cut out more than half of the recorded information to keep it more digestible
@@jonnydaniel195been hitting a 44 Paradym triple diamond with nothing done but cut the shaft down to 44. I am 55 and straight to 245 all day. You don't need swing weight. Also have another driver with a autoflex shaft and they recommend a lighter swing weight. Swing weight is irrelevant
So my man, in reality with head on, you’re hitting a 46’ and a 45’ set ups ?
Nope... In reality they are measured with the head on at playing length.
The test is the test. 44" vs 45" as per the title and thumbnail :) ...To clarify it's the playing length with head on :)
Would choking down an inch accomplish the same?
I think it would get close;
You get down to a thinner part of the grip so there's a hint more chance of higher, lefter shots from that (hint)
There's also still more shaft contributing to the overall ability for the shaft to bend, albeit past your hands so it may not quite have the same impact
Worth a try for sure, next time you are playing or practicing!!
One of the biggest impacts I find for a client is tipping a shaft and spine aligning it ...always had REALLY good feedback from that ...maybe next video 🤔