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1. Because of the way that our brains work It's very hard to measure learning without also impacting learning. 2. Measuring learning is complicated than it appears, as immediate learning measures are usually deceptive. 3. Prior knowledge is REALLY important. 4. Order matters.
really thought provoking as always. I think in addition to the effects of recall a test is likely to promote (and the difference in presentation/importance) there's also something about the selectiveness of the questions asked that can help guide us to what's most important. Sometimes I think the hardest part of learning for folks is realising they have to be selective about the information they prioritize and not treat every fact as equal. But a person making a test often has an idea of "at least I want them to know this".
That sounds like exactly the sort of thing that ppl who already learned a topic have learned intuitively but might not even consider is important to call out for novice learners.
Order matters Prior Knowledge is very important - is often what is missed by Active recall over-dependent people. Justin Sung calls this technique order control, as in going through a text in multiple rounds/ pass - focusing only on ideas what sticks to you/ or feel relevant in the initial pass ( a reflection of information connected to prior knowledge ) - so in the next pass, you have more prior knowledge to attach more info, and this web of prior knowledge grows substantially with each pass and the amount of material retained too, making learning feel intuitive and natural. You get aha moments when you learn in this way. This should be supplemented by Active Recall . Only very few UA-camrs explore the concept of Prior Knowledge, unfortunately.
Great to see you! I just went back to school for a clinical informatics certificate. It is sad to me that teachers don’t incorporate knowledge about learning and use it to structure their curriculum.
Could you make a video about long exams and what to do during and the day or night before the exam in detail ?? I have a collage entrance exam in june months and I have been preparing for it for 6 months and it really is stressing, and I am sure that the night before it I won’t be able to sleep, could you please make a video about what to do then. Great video as always btw ❤
God damn this has been my view on Learning Science, that prior core knowledge is the most important hack you can know about learning, also Scott Young also agrees with this idea. The hard part is identifying the prior core parts for some domain. For example: - Learning Math and grasping it intuitively transfers to a lot of other science domains (Physics, CS, Chemistry) - Learning Psychology and Neuroscience - transfers to learning about UX and Graphic Design (colors, etc...), Game Design, AI, Leadership, Project Managment - Learning Programming - transfers sometimes even inversely to some Math concepts Also can I ask you about how writing impacts learning, what is the research? It would be great to make a video on that topic, or if you already have can you share it?
I have some questions with Fact #4 .How could somoene know which order is better to learn something? Not refering to things too far apart in knowlege but to things/topics closer like the example given in teh video.
Hey take this with a grain of salt, but I think regular testing is extremely beneficial, I think with something as hard as a math degree, you really need to push yourself hard right
Look up the forgetting curve. There’s a service called Anki that has an algorithm based on that and will show you a “test question” right when it believes you are about to forget it (algorithmically)
yes, I often experience how chapters much later in my computer science or math courses helped me understanding concepts in the first chapters. For example: The Last big Unit of my math course is Logic. In the first unit, we shall learn about logical statements and proofs. But the in depth explanations how this stuff works come 300 pages later. from there on, I always try to get the big picture in a unit, so I have all the big Concepts available at once and dont end up so confused, because important information, at least for my brain, comes much further down the content. anothet example: my math course on linear Algebra starts with a technical introduction of Gaussian Algorithm. then its about solving multiple equations amd then the course talks about Vector Spaces. I watched the series "essence of linear algebra" by 3 blue 1 brown and immediatly understood, that I first want to understand the abstract theories about vector spaces and then train solving equation systems. Im like wtf why am I supposed to learn extremely detailed technical stuff, when we didn't even talk about why it is important in the big picture? 3 blue 1 brown taught me in 2 minutes how to multiply matrices, where as my textbook needs 5 pages with very very technical explanations
Fact #2 was "immediate measures of learning are usually deceptive". However, the discussion that follows Fact #2 meanders elsewhere, mentioning that study methods which feel good are often less effective. To me, that seems like a(n almost) completely independent phenomenon. I would love to hear about concepts, evidence, and experiments that more directly relate to Fact #2, however.
hello master benjamin😁😁.. just want you to know that Im grateful for your new upload. are you still going to continue your learning how to learn course?
@@Adonis-d5p an analysis that would be accurate as in able to go through a character or the whole thing deeply (accuracy does ofc vary because art is subjective but yes)
@lol987-fr I have no experience but based on my knowledge, I would probably read 3-5 good analyses of a certain piece of fiction then read it with those in mind then write your analysis and compare and do it again and again until you get closer and closer to whatever you’re trying to approximate
What happened to the "Programed Instruction" techniques based on Skinner's work that was popular in the 1960s? Was it just teacher hostility that held it back? I found it very effective, but an ex-teacher colleague hates it.
Hey Benjamin i have been waiting for your video for a long time. Just watching your old video again and start to understand what they real means, even after repetition every time i feel i have learned something new. But i am having problem, if you see this comment plz reply me. Problem is regarding using Hard method to learn things always constantly using active learning it creates so much load that after some times i am not being able to being consistent with my studies. Since i avoid passive learning technique now i end up someday where i don't even study properly. I have been preparing for upsc cse exam ( India 🇮🇳 Administrative exam) . The thing is i know the importance of spacing, Interleaving and free recall but due to wastness of syllabus and so much to study and reading the notes. I am not been able to use active cognitive learning. My question is very simple how to convince myself to use scientific learning method when i use properly, i will not be able to complete the syllabus on time. Can you also tell whats the real reason behind that why we can't apply spacing and interleaving when we actually study in real conditions?
You mentioned that order matters for learning what would then be the ideal approach for a person who is learning a completely new topic to find the correct order of learning(acc to your 3rd point it should vary but what would it generally be)? Is the order of learning personalized to some extent as well?
Question: Are there good strategies for deciding what representations to start from when introducing, say, a physics concept like the one noted here (I teach physics so am glad you reference it in many of your vids)...? For velocity and acceleration for instance, my gut is to use a motion diagram (dot diagram) at the outset, then use that to build a table of v and t values first, then a graph of v vs t, then an equation v(t) constructed from said graph, and then an interactive graph where students can change intercept and slope and see the equation of the line changing dynamically. But this is purely me guessing! And it doesn't necessarily tell me anything about how to scaffold other concepts via layered representations constructed one at a time. Any research I can read on strategies for ordering representations?
Speaking about fact one: taking a test would help, but who us gonna give is a test? It's not like a test is gonna magically appear in front of us 😅 how is it possible to test if no tests are available?
Meanwhile my school district is making the math teachers have us tested on very tiny parts of the subject at a time, so we learn something one day and test on it the next. I knew that was a horrible concept, but now I have the science behind it (fortunately I’m able to actually learn math through alternative faucets).
althugh i apreaciate your general effort to clear up misconseptions about learning i highly doubt that this video will break out of the "learning bubble" and those who will see this propably already know these "surprising fakts" (or at least I didn't learn anything knew) were these fakts genuinly surprising to you? or was this rather an attempt to break out of this bubble?
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1. Because of the way that our brains work It's very hard to measure learning without also impacting learning.
2. Measuring learning is complicated than it appears, as immediate learning measures are usually deceptive.
3. Prior knowledge is REALLY important.
4. Order matters.
really thought provoking as always.
I think in addition to the effects of recall a test is likely to promote (and the difference in presentation/importance) there's also something about the selectiveness of the questions asked that can help guide us to what's most important. Sometimes I think the hardest part of learning for folks is realising they have to be selective about the information they prioritize and not treat every fact as equal. But a person making a test often has an idea of "at least I want them to know this".
Excellent point.
That sounds like exactly the sort of thing that ppl who already learned a topic have learned intuitively but might not even consider is important to call out for novice learners.
Good to see you back, mate!
Merry Christmas to you and yours
Great to see you back!
Order matters Prior Knowledge is very important - is often what is missed by Active recall over-dependent people. Justin Sung calls this technique order control, as in going through a text in multiple rounds/ pass - focusing only on ideas what sticks to you/ or feel relevant in the initial pass ( a reflection of information connected to prior knowledge ) - so in the next pass, you have more prior knowledge to attach more info, and this web of prior knowledge grows substantially with each pass and the amount of material retained too, making learning feel intuitive and natural. You get aha moments when you learn in this way. This should be supplemented by Active Recall . Only very few UA-camrs explore the concept of Prior Knowledge, unfortunately.
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4:34 Wow! This additional representation really helps give me a better idea of what this concept is about!
Babe, wake up! It's not Santa, but Benjamin is here, and he has a gift for you. It's educational, too!
Great to see you! I just went back to school for a clinical informatics certificate. It is sad to me that teachers don’t incorporate knowledge about learning and use it to structure their curriculum.
Could you make a video about long exams and what to do during and the day or night before the exam in detail ??
I have a collage entrance exam in june months and I have been preparing for it for 6 months and it really is stressing, and I am sure that the night before it I won’t be able to sleep, could you please make a video about what to do then.
Great video as always btw ❤
Thanks for coming back.
God damn this has been my view on Learning Science, that prior core knowledge is the most important hack you can know about learning, also Scott Young also agrees with this idea.
The hard part is identifying the prior core parts for some domain.
For example:
- Learning Math and grasping it intuitively transfers to a lot of other science domains (Physics, CS, Chemistry)
- Learning Psychology and Neuroscience - transfers to learning about UX and Graphic Design (colors, etc...), Game Design, AI, Leadership, Project Managment
- Learning Programming - transfers sometimes even inversely to some Math concepts
Also can I ask you about how writing impacts learning, what is the research?
It would be great to make a video on that topic, or if you already have can you share it?
Hi Benjamin! Good to see you back
Always happy to watch a new video of yours !😊
I have some questions with Fact #4 .How could somoene know which order is better to learn something? Not refering to things too far apart in knowlege but to things/topics closer like the example given in teh video.
Omg you are backkk, thank you so much for your conten!!! It's always really helpful an interesting
Thanks for the amazing videos and the amazing facts you are introducing every time.
This totally makes sense. I never thought of it this way before but I'll totally make sure to teach multiplying fractions first
Wish you a wonderful holiday! 😊🧡
Would you say that tests at spaced intervals would be the optimal approach?
HOw would you recommend studying for a math degree?
Hey take this with a grain of salt, but I think regular testing is extremely beneficial, I think with something as hard as a math degree, you really need to push yourself hard right
Look up the forgetting curve. There’s a service called Anki that has an algorithm based on that and will show you a “test question” right when it believes you are about to forget it (algorithmically)
Great video! Peace out
yes, I often experience how chapters much later in my computer science or math courses helped me understanding concepts in the first chapters. For example: The Last big Unit of my math course is Logic. In the first unit, we shall learn about logical statements and proofs. But the in depth explanations how this stuff works come 300 pages later.
from there on, I always try to get the big picture in a unit, so I have all the big Concepts available at once and dont end up so confused, because important information, at least for my brain, comes much further down the content.
anothet example: my math course on linear Algebra starts with a technical introduction of Gaussian Algorithm. then its about solving multiple equations amd then the course talks about Vector Spaces. I watched the series "essence of linear algebra" by 3 blue 1 brown and immediatly understood, that I first want to understand the abstract theories about vector spaces and then train solving equation systems. Im like wtf why am I supposed to learn extremely detailed technical stuff, when we didn't even talk about why it is important in the big picture? 3 blue 1 brown taught me in 2 minutes how to multiply matrices, where as my textbook needs 5 pages with very very technical explanations
Welcome back again
years after graduating and I remember my wrong answers on tests more than anything else
Fact #2 was "immediate measures of learning are usually deceptive". However, the discussion that follows Fact #2 meanders elsewhere, mentioning that study methods which feel good are often less effective. To me, that seems like a(n almost) completely independent phenomenon. I would love to hear about concepts, evidence, and experiments that more directly relate to Fact #2, however.
There’s a complete bibliography in the description that goes into a lot more detail on all the points
hello master benjamin😁😁.. just want you to know that Im grateful for your new upload. are you still going to continue your learning how to learn course?
how would one learn to efficiently analyze fiction or more accurately make sound interpretations ?
What do you mean by sound interpretations?
@@Adonis-d5p an analysis that would be accurate as in able to go through a character or the whole thing deeply (accuracy does ofc vary because art is subjective but yes)
@lol987-fr I have no experience but based on my knowledge, I would probably read 3-5 good analyses of a certain piece of fiction then read it with those in mind then write your analysis and compare and do it again and again until you get closer and closer to whatever you’re trying to approximate
The way Calculus is introduced in textbooks, makes use of these facts
should we underline the text in the book for feedback when using cued recall? Can you make a video about this pls or should we use just free recall
What happened to the "Programed Instruction" techniques based on Skinner's work that was popular in the 1960s? Was it just teacher hostility that held it back? I found it very effective, but an ex-teacher colleague hates it.
You got a favourite link to that? Thanks
@@bizopca Sorry, no. I haven't seen any reference to it in years.
@@parrotraiser6541 Thanks.
Hey Benjamin i have been waiting for your video for a long time. Just watching your old video again and start to understand what they real means, even after repetition every time i feel i have learned something new.
But i am having problem, if you see this comment plz reply me. Problem is regarding using Hard method to learn things always constantly using active learning it creates so much load that after some times i am not being able to being consistent with my studies. Since i avoid passive learning technique now i end up someday where i don't even study properly. I have been preparing for upsc cse exam ( India 🇮🇳 Administrative exam) .
The thing is i know the importance of spacing, Interleaving and free recall but due to wastness of syllabus and so much to study and reading the notes. I am not been able to use active cognitive learning.
My question is very simple how to convince myself to use scientific learning method when i use properly, i will not be able to complete the syllabus on time.
Can you also tell whats the real reason behind that why we can't apply spacing and interleaving when we actually study in real conditions?
You mentioned that order matters for learning what would then be the ideal approach for a person who is learning a completely new topic to find the correct order of learning(acc to your 3rd point it should vary but what would it generally be)?
Is the order of learning personalized to some extent as well?
Skim through your study material to find new keywords and read on them for the start
Question: Are there good strategies for deciding what representations to start from when introducing, say, a physics concept like the one noted here (I teach physics so am glad you reference it in many of your vids)...? For velocity and acceleration for instance, my gut is to use a motion diagram (dot diagram) at the outset, then use that to build a table of v and t values first, then a graph of v vs t, then an equation v(t) constructed from said graph, and then an interactive graph where students can change intercept and slope and see the equation of the line changing dynamically.
But this is purely me guessing! And it doesn't necessarily tell me anything about how to scaffold other concepts via layered representations constructed one at a time. Any research I can read on strategies for ordering representations?
is that a go board behind you??
Guess who’s back!
Speaking about fact one: taking a test would help, but who us gonna give is a test?
It's not like a test is gonna magically appear in front of us 😅 how is it possible to test if no tests are available?
AI can help here
Meanwhile my school district is making the math teachers have us tested on very tiny parts of the subject at a time, so we learn something one day and test on it the next. I knew that was a horrible concept, but now I have the science behind it (fortunately I’m able to actually learn math through alternative faucets).
Begging you to adjust how you pronounce the word 'measure' Ben. :p
Where's the quiz for the video?
althugh i apreaciate your general effort to clear up misconseptions about learning i highly doubt that this video will break out of the "learning bubble" and those who will see this propably already know these "surprising fakts"
(or at least I didn't learn anything knew)
were these fakts genuinly surprising to you?
or was this rather an attempt to break out of this bubble?
Wow! I'm so happy! Glad to see you back, Benjamin.
I thought you are dead
WT* 😅
I thought he was murdered, but he wasnt!
I thought he was AI
@@BashBash-x2m Lmaooo 🤣
Is Obsidian good app
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Second lol