Funny how some people claim this film is sexist on the fact that the actresses are all attractive, when the main male characters are played by Ryan Gosling, Harrison Ford and Jared Leto.
@@jl.7739 it’s sexist because the women are shallow and unrealistic to how women really think and Ryan gosling is a sex buyer aka rapist and trafficker
Actually, even though I don’t think it matters much, BR2049 doesn’t fail the Bechdel test. In the scene between Luv and Lt. Joshi they briefly talk about the child, the sex of whom they don’t know and turns out to be female, thus having a scene between two named women talking about something other than a man and therefore passing the Bechdel test.
1:01:49 I reject the idea that Joi is any way a “sexist” depiction. If she is sexist then K’s employment is misandrist. But no one will mention that. It’s human nature to want to be desired and find emotional connection. K, being an android, has to settle for Joi. Joi was was created to prey on the emotional needs of men. So she’d take that metaphysical form regardless. It would make no sense on any level for Joi to be anything more or less than she appears in the film. She’s designed to ease the mental and emotional burden of the customer. But let’s do a little thought experiment. What if K was homosexual? What form would Joi take? If your answer is anything but a dotting male companion you’re deluding yourself.
Seventeen views?! Dude, this is good stuff. Fantastic thematic breakdown and critical analysis. Thanks for drawing the line between objectivity and subjectivity. I still need to pour some thought into this one and give it a rewatch. But I really think this film holds up under objective scrutiny. You deserve more views and I can’t wait to see what you do next.
In the scene where Love just crushed Joy's emitter in the desert building, K was utterly defeated and broken on the ground. Love was done with K at that point. K wasn't her target, Decker was. That's Why I'm guessing Love didn't kill K outright at that point. He was simply an obstacle to get around, not destroy.
Regarding Rob Ager's criticism of replicants coming to know that their false memories are implanted - I disagree with his argument. I have actually experienced a false memory that had a significant impact on my life. Once I realized that the memory was false by verifying through an email chain, that false memory still has an emotional impact on me. Also, many people remember their dreams and nightmares upon awaking and some even journal about it. These dreams and nightmares still have an emotional impact despite being "false memories".
I think Westworld seasons 1 and 2 explore this question in depth. Sometimes it doesn't matter what's factually real. Sometimes what matters are the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves.
Just as I was thinking, too. The purpose of the memories was to engender emotional stability. The would not necessarily lose their function in that regard even if known-rationally-to be false, because the emotional effect happens at a deeper level.
The original film was something I had to watch a few times to appreciate, and 2049 is no different. As the years have gone on, the original is one of my favorite films, and 2049 continues to be a story I love more and more (flaws included). You did an absolute amazing job with this review!
at the end of the video you thank me???? Fuck off, mate! THANK YOU!!!!!! Excelent piece of work. A proper way to develop your ideas and share substantial criticism. Also enjoyed your "funny" review of Rings of Power... keep up, excelent stuff.
Im glad to see a positive review of this movie, I love this film and think it's underrated despite it flaws. There's so many hate reviews out there it's refreshing to see a long in depth well made critique of an "objectively" good film lol
Very good review. Only disagreement i really have is that you count Deckard's character change from 2019 to 2021 as a flaw with 2049. I think that Deckard having gone through the events of the original, plus 2 years with Rachel until her death would be enough time to change his opinion of replicants and their place in society
Agree. His interaction with Roy, and relationship with Rachel ; coupled with the realization that he himself is a Replicant and apparently being the father of a miracle would change his perspective ON Replicants role in the future. Especially since he was forced to retire (don't know how many) them. That is why his interaction with Roy is so profound in the first film retrospectively. He sees the humanity in him, then finds himself to be in the same shoes.
"When a simulation becomes indistinguishable from the real thing, does it cease to be a simulation?" Logically, no, it does not. The effect may become indistinguishable, but the cause remains different. It is still a good question, however.
Found your channel from your Hobbit videos. Then I checked out the RoP videos. Really enjoyed those. I also enjoyed this much older video, but it is certainly different. I actually really like the almost Dateline-y tone, especially from the critique critiquing section. Hope your channel continues to grow and I look forward to future videos.
Amazing video. I personally took Wallace's claims about putting Reachel and Deckard together as manipulation, just a lie to get Deckard to spill the whereabouts of his daughter. It's like Wallace telling Deckard: whatever love you had, it wasn't a coincidence what you think was a coincidence, it didn't came from there, that's why you should accept the Reachel I made for you... after all I made her for the same purpose. It seems to me that if Deckard thought that the new Reachel was as the same as the previous one, he would tell him the whereabouts of his daughter.
I never picked-up the idea that K being called "Joe" by the advert for the Joi somehow cheapened his relationship with his own Joi. First, all kinds of bots know my name without me knowingly telling them. Second, he already knew that she was a simulation from the beginning, a mass-produced one at that. My only criticism is that maybe you sell a few more of those things if you don't give them creepy all-black eyes in the advert. It is up there with the "buried in skulls" reel that Zod shows Clark to recruit him. I was fortunate enough to see both films on a big screen with a great sound system. For 2049 the experience was enhanced by a freezing-cold cinema and the volume so high that the THX-certified speakers were topping-out. The added misery made the film even more poignant. On DVD they are still both great films, but they are clearly meant to be watched in the cinema.
Even discarding the flaws of the Bechdel test… this movie doesn’t fail it. Love and Joshi are two strong female characters, and they have meaningful interactions which progress the plot.
i absolutely adore rings of power for introducing me to you and the little platoon. absolutely incredible content that’s distinct, and very very smart. keep it up man
I was stunned by how good looking 2049 was. Villeneuve and especially Deakins have got some god tier skills. Just found the channel... Great stuff! Accurate, well thought-out and brilliantly articulated insights. Subscribed and look forward to more content
great vid thanks! apparently there is a deleted scene where its revealed Wallace actually calls everyone Love because he cant be bothered to learn thier names. someone said blade runner asked if deckard was human or not, 2049 said it didnt matter. if you havent seen it "like stories of old" does a fantastic deep dive really interesting stuff. two souls, dreadfully distinct, perishing in conflicting dreams of being interlinked
I think despite of being quite decent sequel Deni Villeneuve managed to make it such through the consistency of the world and its visual narrative The atmosphere is almost the same... but darker. The Tyrell became Wallace corporation - slightly more ambitious building... and more sinister. Idea of androids is even more refined and subjugating yet even more abusive and obedient. K is not second Dekkard but a mix of Dekkard with a Roy Batty. Dekkard just a connecting line between these time periods and the ending of this movie But in the end it is a K's story - how the wish and will can overcome artificial slavery even it is programmed and that will mean oblivion. Overall it is my favorite film from 2019 - still worthy to watch, looks amazing and sound design is superb.
The 1982 movie is extraordinary and when they announced Blade Runner 2049, the prospect of revisiting that world and its themes again was pretty exciting. When it hit the cinema however I found it to be a disappointing experience. Though the movie is visually breath-taking, both the plot and protagonist felt hard to engage with and as a result it felt a cold and emotionally disconnected experience (which in itself should have told me something I guess), and as a result I felt little compulsion to ever rewatch it. However, as a result of finding your channel through your hilarious breakdowns of Rings of Power, and then digesting this excellent examination and analysis of 2049, I've come to appreciate the movie in a new light. Your in depth study here is truly impressive and, while such detailed material clearly takes considerable work (and Rings of Power will likely be occupying your time for the foreseeable future I hope, because your dissection of the show is awesome!) it would be great to see you breakdown and analyse more movies, because you have a remarkable talent for it.
Thanks, yeah I adore BR2049 but until I had the idea of judging it as a sequel rather than just gushing about it I didn't really have any urge to do a video on it. Same with RoP, I see so many people either trashing the show or praising it for bad reasons, and very few people are actually making the arguments, which inspired me to actually explore it!
Found you through the rings of power and the hobbit this last month, and working through your back catalogue. All great, thoughtful revIews mate. This one is no exception. Deserves more views!
Ana had to be female, because the whole plot of the movie is that there might be a replicant that’s capable of bearing a child. If the child were male, it wouldn’t be anymore special than Deckard, because a male replicant cannot bear children.
I'm amazed this only has 12K views, I'm pretty new to the channel, wondered in off the back of the Hobbit Trilogy and I am staggered by the thoughtful, well presented, coherent analysis and flow of all this content. Doubly so this coverage of BR2049.
My son said something very simple to me after we watched the Sonic movie. He goes, “you can tell the people that made this movie really love Sonic.” Out of the mouths of babes.
I haven't actually seen this movie yet...as a huge fan of the first, and given the climate of today's film, I honestly assumed they would just fuck it up...your review has made me want to go out and see this 💖💖💖
Just finished the stream and now I've got one more hour listening to you talk about one of my favourite films, but not my favourite sequel. Good algorithm Charlie.
I watched the sequel first, and It's a stunning departure from the superhero movies and sci fi movies I'd seen recently. So as someone who went from the sequel to the original. I like them both, but I think the sequel is just more well-rounded, but that of course wouldn't be possible without the original to back it up. I really enjoyed this video though, I may not agree with everything, but you're eloquent in putting forward your ideas. Good job.
If you haven't seen it yet, I recommend the Arrival, also by Dennis Villaneuve. It's got a similar ponderous style and monumental visuals, it can feel quite "detached" and cerebral, but there's a lot to unpack there and story-wise it's completely unlike most sci-fi movies I've seen. Not a movie that I've felt the need to rewatch a lot (it's not for mindless playing in the background), but one I cannot forget, having seen it years ago. Definitely worth a try (even if its understanding of what an academic linguist can do can be a bit funny in the opening scenes ;-) )
I had to go back and watch first again it’s been a while! But considering the year, concept and acting-it’s still a piece of art and I’m glad it has a worthy cult following it definitely deserves too☺️😜 (and I’m very sure I did not fully understand it all back then so happy for the articulate appreciative recap😇🥰)
Such a different style of review compared to your Rings Of Power reviews; and yet... brilliant. *So glad I am to have come here* after your RoP and Rise Of Skywalker reviews. The tone of the review is similar to the tone of the movie. Serious. Studied. Thorough. RoP is stupid slapstick and deserves the occasional-cocaine and even the faeces-references style you give it. As I type this, I see the comment below about the line between objectivity and subjectivity; the average person might not get that point (we certainly see that from people defending trash). It's essential for a reviewer of quality to understand this, *and you do*. Your response to the other critic saying it would be irrelevant/meaningless that Deckard had fathered a replicant child if he were human... and this is the point at which I've paused and am writing this - perhaps I've misunderstood and I should give THIS a second watch as well. The idea that a replicant was so perfect that it would not only reproduce with another replicant, but reproduce WITH A HUMAN... blurring the line between simulation/reality physically, with physicality, even more thoroughly than the question of simulated emotions being functionally real emotions... that sounds as if it would be a re-definition - or re-scoping - of what it means to be human. I haven't watched the other reviewer's video, maybe I need to. Eh. ... but mother of mercy, your analyses, the insights stolen, gleaned from your efforts... For various reasons, I haven't seen 2049. I... wasn't going to. This review, however, makes it sound as if this movie *needs* to be watched. Reviewers will never get the accolades directors do. Well... the names of Siskel and Ebert, David and Margaret, okay; but... how many such have there been in the history of cinema? And you're not even doing it in partnership with someone. You're not engaging your audience by bouncing comments off someone else, you're doing this purely through your own kinfe-sharp deep-dive. Beautiful. The Review As A Form Of Art; or at the very least, a work worthy of accolade itself.
Am so glad to have come across this because while I really enjoyed Blade Runner with Harrison Ford, i found the new BR to be incredibly boring because this sort of theme is tiresome to me. Also, was disappointing because I guess I was expecting something else. Very interesting analysis. Thank you.
This is the second of your videos I've watched. I think you have a unique and useful perspective. I'm glad to see your channel is growing, and I'm looking forward to consuming more of your content. Cheers.
Predator 2 definitely did not just repeat what it's predecessor did. Pretty much the only thing that they have in common is that they both advance through a series of murders and both end in a one-on-one confrontation with the main hero and the Predator. The different setting in Predator 2 is is not just a visual change but the whole film has been excellently built around it incorporating themes, plotlines, characters, scenery and general vibes of such a setting. Because of that it works as a standalone film which also gives more worldbuilding for the titular character but not much other fan service in a thematic way or from a film making perspective since all that has been crafted to fit the different setting.
Arguably the best film I ever saw in cinema. The experience blew me away. The sound design more so than the visuals even for me. It's a pure cinema film. And I agree it's not a good sequel at all. It's not even in my top 10 films. Buts its my no.1 best cinema experience.
There are actually examples of Cityspeak in 2049. The old lady accosting K as he climbs the stairs to his apartment and when the doxies are talking with each other when one recognizes K as a Blade Runner.
So what are the chances we'll ever see a sequel to 2049? Only if it was done right n thank you for your content, very thought provoking as a avid science fiction fan for 60 years
I love both movies, but have never seen such a great break down of 2049 outside it being a visual master piece. Really interesting to hear your take on a good sequel. Not as funny as the ROP video .. but that show wrote it's on comedy, so not really fair to compare.
@@randomft Still liked this a lot. Well thought out and interesting to watch. Funny how both are just fantasy stories that's main characters aren't human, but ... with a well told story, these robots make you think deeply about humanity ... and then we have elf's that make me worry deeply for humanity if art is truly a reflection of it
I absolutely love your content. Just watched your first arcane vid. Found you from your Hobbit Series. These long form videos scratch my movie fan itch and it’s something I can listen to on my headphones at work. And before I know it work is over! I am blown away by the consistency of the tremendous detail and quality of your content. Keep up the incredible work.
My main gripe with Blade Runner 2049 is that it didn't need to exist. There was zero reason to make a sequel to Blade Runner -- though I did like the interquel video game. They should have called it Cyborg Hunter 2049 or something and divorced it from Blade Runner, similar to how the Robocop remake would have been better if it wasn't called Robocop.
I know a lot about the original movie. Like many masterpieces it seems to have been lightning in a bottle that’s very hard to recapture. The original script was a mess and they managed to turn it into something amazing during filming. Rutger Hauer changed Roy Batty’s soliloquy the night before into what we finally see. What was written down was awful. Ford managed to include some detecting for the detective. I’m one of the people that seems to really like the voiceover version. Without it you lose the best line in the movie. Harrison Ford didn’t wanna do it and so he purposely read the lines is terribly as he could, and it just so happened that it was perfect for the world weary Deckard. It’s things like this that are impossible to recapture. I thought the sequel was worthy but a bit over the top in terms of the villains. You always run that risk when you cast Jared Leto. Visually it was stunning and it certainly had its moments. But I don’t have the urge to watch it 1000 times like I have the original.
Having several months to edit the original was perfect timing. Editors strike actually helped the original to be told as best as it could. Directors Cut at least.
Absolutely phenomenal video. I wish I was able to analyze media like this, is there any advice you'd give on how I can approach films and shows this way? Is it just a lot of work and research over a course of time while writing the script, or are you youtubers just geniuses lmao. I've seen my share of films yet I feel like this stuff ALWAYYS goes over my head, do i just suck at the thing I love the most (cinema)??
I mean I am by no means an expert, and two months ago this video had less than 100 views! I'd suggest watching slowly, so pausing frequently if you need to, and trying to dissect why a scene made you feel a certain way. If it made you sad, why. If it didn't make you sad when you think it should have, chances are there is something in there that caused this failure of a reaction. Couple of ideas :)
Lol I’m sure u are not alone this was a big story and world concepts all that-I’m happy to hear it get praise and it’s def not for everyone by any means it’s pace, concepts-def takes a few watches by me to get all the details and see favorite scenes again Don’t give up!(but yeah this guys a pro right!)
I think you have come up with a brilliant analogy. 2049 is to the original blade runner as aliens is to alien. Both dramatically expanded on the environments. Both of them continued the spirit of the story although not necessarily the direct events of the original. And know this is gonna sound stupid, but both of them were made with love. Not just passion and ambition but with actual genuine love for the source material. That’s what’s missing in today’s movies. In the place of that we have arrogance and narcissism of people that are not nearly as skillful as they have been led to believe by the participation trophy generation. But it’s this lack of love and respect for the source material I think that condemns the new movies and TV shows we watch into at best obsessive mediocrity and at worst, well… she hulk and rings of power.
the conclusion is articulated like word porn. relief. comfort. just amazing. i love when u decimated rings of power and barbie too you had some real important points that the world need to understand and needs more attention. you clearly have a passion for this and it shows. incredible mate
I saw you on BSUP recently and was impressed, so I’m going through your videos in order. I wasn’t a fan of this movie. I thought it would have been fine if it had just been its own thing and not tried to be Bladerunner. However, your thoughts have made me rethink a few things, and now so think I’ll be giving it a rewatch.
Jared Leto chewing up the scenery is so awesome contrasted against the very calm demeanor of Ryan gosling. And I honestly prefer 2049. Much more philosophical movie.
Let me ruin the movie with its massive plot hole. K has a serial code reader that he could have used on himself at any time to prove he was manufactured. He used it on Sapper at the start of the movie - we see how the scanner works. K is reminded again when Mariette says "why don't you look under my eye and find out?" when K asks about her model number. The scene with Coco finding a serial number on the remains yet again reminds K that all replicants are marked, even the older models. We also see his detective skills throughout the movie, so there's no reason to believe he wouldn't scan himself really early in the story.
My idea of that is that K wanted to believe so much that he was special, he didn't want to even try checking his eye in case he really wasn't (which tragically turns out to be the case). The moment he realized his memories were 'real', that's all that mattered; he was actually real, he had a purpose, and by God will he blindly believe it until the truth's too painful to ignore.
Holy shit your videos are good. I started with your recent Rings of power reviews but am going all the way back. I sincerely hope that you gain the subscriber base you deserve as you are well beyond some of the channels that have millions
How does this video have such few views? I gotta say I went into this disliking 2049, but your video has given me a lot of food for thought. Very excited to check out your other videos...
Really great video. I have no plan to watch this movie as I don't care to watch a sequel to a Philip K Duck story that wasn't written by him. You really made this a journey, however, brilliant breakdown, fantastic diction and the atmosphere and narrative were second to none! Amazing!
Well done. Subscribed. Thank you as well for your videos on the butchering of Tolkein's work, even though you admit to not having a grand knowledge, the effort shows and is appreciated.
Thanks for the interesting reflections. I have watched both "Blade Runners" and although the 2049 has its own value, the first one, from 1982, will always be one of my favorite movies.
absolutely adore this film. i actually like it more than the original on a story, acting, and aesthetic standpoint. still love the old, but completely agree its not a good sequel, in fact i don't tell anyone it is. its in my top five alone side No Country for Old Men, Sicario, Serenity, and Kingdom of Heaven (directors cut). it absolutely fails to match what the old Bladerunner said, but i really fucking felt for K. Thinking you are a robot then to find out you arent, to think you are special, you have value. then to find out you arent in many ways. he could have just rolled over and gave up. but he chose. chose to die to get Deckard to his daughter. and i cant help but draw parallels from this movie to todays... porn industries, and how women (and people like Andrew Tate) pray upon lonely men to make them feel special.
Bro I hope you see this comment! First of all great video I agree with most everything, however I just rewatched blade runner and I realized something. The first time Wallace ever mentions God (apart from calling himself God) is when he talks to Harrison Ford (sorry I suck with names, literally just watched it and idk his name) He says, "do you ever wonder if you were ment to meet the synthetic? Has it ever occurred to you that you were designed to meet her" he's not saying he orcasrrated their falling in love, he's asking if God is the reason for it. Wallace finally realized he is not God, and even wonders if God is responsible. He is one of the best villains I've read or watched. He has done everything to make himself God, however despite all of the power he has, God mocks him. He hates God, he wants to be God. He's perfectly written. My mind is blown. When I first watched I wasn't a Christian, and I had the same reaction " this is weird af, Wallace made them fall in love?" No, the symbolism is clear. Wallace can't control love(luv) The luv he created was a monster. The love he couldn't control is what he desired, but couldn't get. That's why he says that. He doesn't imply that he had any part in it. Thanks for the video brother
I think its safe to assume that whoever invented replicants did not want them to be fertile if the replicants are created with a purpose of being tools and are treated as such so it wasnt necessarily a design flaw or a technology constraint. Rachel strikes me more as an experiment done not officially because Tyrell knew what consequences this might have and expected backlash from whoever is supervising the whole thing.
Agree. If they can breed then who is going to buy them ? Along with the grand moral questions that would spring forth. Unless of course the off-world work is sponsored by Tyrell, then it would be feasible to have them procreate to save company resources.
I loved this movie and your very inspiring review❤-agree with you on almost everything especially the respect as a standalone gorgeous piece…and give you credit for taking on both oversimplified characters/concepts as well as refraining from overly critical on the very advanced “possibilities “ of a sci-fi universe that adds to your own respect and credibility that adds to the intellectual curiosity and avoids the potential for easily dismissing your thoughts and well explained arguments 🎉
Thanks for your analysis. Though I do disagree on some points (Joi _just_ being a program), I agree with a lot of what you had to say. But I don't hold that your main point that BR 2049 is not a good sequel to the original. I was actually taken by surprise by this film. Being a fan of the original, owning the original Criterion LD, DVD Briefcase set, and tripledipping with the Blu-Ray combo pack, I was severely underwhelmed when it was announced they were doing a BR sequel. This is coming off Ridley Scott's Prometheus, a "prequel" to Alien. The fact that Scott also believes the BR story works better if Deckard is a replicant also put me off. So I was curious what kind of trainwreck this would be. I was completely blown away. This was not a rehash of the first, but a continuation with the world of BR. The themes of what it is to be human/sentient are there, the dystopian future, dirty, used and dying, good stuff. The relationship between K and Joi is the highlight of this film, and K actually does a lot of detective work in this compared to Deckard in the original. Visually stunning in its own way, although my only gripe is the lack of clutter in Morton's house and K's apartment. You do get it in the scrapyard office though, an amazing setpiece. All in all, I find BR 2049 a much more rewatchable film than the original. To your point that Tyrell wouldn't make a replicant with both false memories and a functional reproductive system is misguided. If we take it on face value that Deckard is human, and it's not a set up to get two replicants to fall in love and procreate, Rachel would be the latest in a line of prototypes that Tyrell would feel comfortable to test in the real world instead of a laboratory. There could have been other "Rachels" but they, and the information on them, could have been destroyed in the Blackout. Obviously, Deckard Rachel's info and plans were lost. For me, BR 2049 is a very worthy sequel that didn't need to be made, but is entirely welcome. There's only a few other sequels that fall into that category in my book: Tron Legacy, Mad Max: Fury Road, and Top Gun: Maverick.
glad I found your channel because rings of power sucks and I watched your reviews. Your reviews are really good and it made me watch blade runner Ended up really liking it. Such a good film I'm for sure going to be reading the book many thanks for the good reviews I subbed!
I haven’t seen either “Blade Runners” (and plan on seeing them), but I’m watching this analysis. I love your videos, and have watched the ROP several times 😅
Charlie, i look forward to your Blade Runner reviews. This wil be my second I.P. examinstion of yours i came into the room listening to your takedown of the Rings of Power, something im perfectly happy not having to commit to. I grew up without reading Lord of the Rings, ny brother nrought me up to speed on that just before Fellowship of the Ring was released. I know of the things not included in the movie, snd i appreciate Jackson, Boyens and Walsh for their good judgement on what to leave out, AND what to return in the directors cut DVD BluRays. You mentioned youre looking for content to review, preferably bad..... Without looking over your body of work, I'm not sure if you've done anything for dune starting with the attempted properties (zjodirowski, Ridley Scott) and the actual adaptation by David Lynch, the expanded tv version with its hood and bad, the fan edits and then there is the 2000 SyFy cheapo sdaptation and its superior followup combination of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune, and now we have the Denis Villenueve adaptations. Thats a lot but not too much content to go over.... Just a thought. And im loving the blade runner coverage you have here. Looking forward to your channel.
'the idea of buying an idealised virtual girlfriend whose sole purpose is to be everything you want to see and say everything you to hear is of course inherently misogynistic', but is it ? And is it the point ? I don't think so. The point is that she is an AI programmed to be what K wants her to be which makes the entire relationship very ambiguous as you already explained. Her being a "woman" and K being a "man" is irrelevant in the thematic imo. And is it really misogynistic ? I fail to see how. The whole point of having an AI partner is that it can be what you want them to be without needing to openly instruct them to (if you need to then it's basically a sugar baby), so as not to broke the illusion of an authentic relationship. Otherwise, what is the difference with a human one ? Yeah it's twisted, but I think the desire to have a "perfect" partner isn't sex-related and if it is at all, given the research data on human mating I am aware of, I wouldn't deem it as mainly male-related. Perhaps I missed something but as you didn't develop much, I had to guess what the reasoning could be. Feel free to correct me if I did. Besides, I cannot prove it but I feel like, had it been an AI "man" and a replicant "woman", nobody would have uttered a word about it. That may even have been considered as empowering or whatever by some wannabe journalists. I truely wonder what mental gymastics would have emerged in people's minds if K was gay or bisexual and the AI a "man". As I understand it, K's partner being an AI has two purposes : one, exploring the relationship between a non-human and an even lesser human, two, K has no choice but to resort to a virtual partner because no human could accept K as a partner, much less an equal one ; in other words it serves to further deepens K's solitude, both on a thematic and concrete level in addition of questioning the nature of humanity and subjective human experience. Nothing suggests a link with sexism, furthermore the world of 2049 doesn't appear to be very concerned with sex issues as humanity issues are more of a concern, to the characters of the movie and to the real-world audience. At best, K imagining Joi as an hussy tells us that mayhaps his programming included misogynic bias. But seeing that there is a least a replicant "female" whose programming allowed her to become a high-ranking police officer, this hypothesis seems rather unconvincing.
Had to see this as I've just watched BR2049 again and I have watched your other reviews lately. It's very good and you demonstrate a high level of critical intelligence. What I really enjoyed, though, was the advice you gave to those who asked for it, to aid their cinema journey. Nice one bruv keep it up. Big love from northeast England ❤
I really like the movie Oblivion.... but I feel there are more people in that universe than in the 2049 universe. I feel the film is trying way to hard to be this grandiose experience and forgets to be a movie. In Blade Runner Decard was running around a heavily populated city but felt alone.... In 2049 they took all the people out and just left a vacant void that is supposed to be a major city. It was Cyber without the punks. Then you have the cast....... Jared Leto's character was comically evil to the point of try hard'ing by stabbing the replicant. Harrison Ford was checked out. And worst of all... our detective couldn't figure out that the human happened to be the one company employee that was the best at making up dreams. I really do like the 1st film in all it's many cuts and glory but the follow-up is nothing more than a really good sleeping aid.
I would posit that replicant memories (specifically, episodic memories; those memories of past events), even if they're known to be fake, provide context for the subject in relation to the surroundings, the universe, they find themselves in. Semantic memories; those of skills and aptitudes, are what provide the ability to accomplish. Both types would be imprinted directly to the hippocampus, with semantic skills filtering down through the proprioceptors located in the muscles and tendons. Coupled with the reflex response from the spinal cord (there are 3 different types of reflex action; superficial, like the reaction you get from being tickled under your feet; tendon/ligament, like the typical knee-jerk response; visceral, which is what the fight-or-flight reaction is based on). Proprioceptors are the neurons located in the muscles and tendons which serve to initiate a person's kinesthetic sense (the sense of how your body is positioned; if you had no kinesthetic sense, you wouldn't know your hand was placed beside your head unless you turned and looked to see it) and muscle memory, which the ability to perform repetitive actions without conscious thought, since muscles don't store actual memory.
yeah… Roy Batty was probably the most interesting character in either movie. I wish the original could’ve had more of him, and that he and Deckard could’ve had a scene together earlier in the movie… or perhaps there’s one more rogue replicant that Deckard can encounter early on and have a nice little convo with before being retired 🤷🏻♂️
Blade Runner is a beautiful movie…but, I’m really not a fan of it. I’ve seen all the cuts I know about…however, non of them increase my enjoyment of it. 2049 is stunning and such a better movie
51:58 no... she did not answer his question. She just said it was illegal, not that it wasn't done. I heard it as a slight nod to the positive affirmation of the notion it could be done, without admitting guilt to a robot police officer on the lamb with brain issues.
I saw the K/Luv paradigm differently… Luv wasn’t given a name by Wallace, he just calls everyone “love” as a folksy pet name, and Luv, wanting to desperately to be special, yet knowing she’s not, takes on the name Luv of her own accord. while K was perfectly happy being an average Joe, fearing and resisting the possibility that he could be something more, and only becomes invested in that identity after Joi encourages it 🤷🏻♂️
@@Sam_T2000 that could have worked, He could have added a musical number “Who knows? Not me We never lost control You're face to face With the man who sold the world”
I cant believe you had some a big time break between these older ones and the new rings of power ones. Shame you took such a break, would of loved a much bigger back catalogue.
Funny how some people claim this film is sexist on the fact that the actresses are all attractive, when the main male characters are played by Ryan Gosling, Harrison Ford and Jared Leto.
Some people are retards
@@jl.7739 it’s sexist because the women are shallow and unrealistic to how women really think and Ryan gosling is a sex buyer aka rapist and trafficker
Is MovieWeb secretly In Praise of Shadows?
Harrison Ford is no longer a silver fox, dude. I don't want to fuck him.
Actually, even though I don’t think it matters much, BR2049 doesn’t fail the Bechdel test. In the scene between Luv and Lt. Joshi they briefly talk about the child, the sex of whom they don’t know and turns out to be female, thus having a scene between two named women talking about something other than a man and therefore passing the Bechdel test.
1:01:49 I reject the idea that Joi is any way a “sexist” depiction. If she is sexist then K’s employment is misandrist. But no one will mention that. It’s human nature to want to be desired and find emotional connection. K, being an android, has to settle for Joi. Joi was was created to prey on the emotional needs of men. So she’d take that metaphysical form regardless. It would make no sense on any level for Joi to be anything more or less than she appears in the film. She’s designed to ease the mental and emotional burden of the customer. But let’s do a little thought experiment. What if K was homosexual? What form would Joi take? If your answer is anything but a dotting male companion you’re deluding yourself.
Just saw EFAP's clip about how 2049 is bad, so I had to come back here to remind myself I'm not insane for considering it my all time favorite film 😅
Seventeen views?! Dude, this is good stuff. Fantastic thematic breakdown and critical analysis. Thanks for drawing the line between objectivity and subjectivity. I still need to pour some thought into this one and give it a rewatch. But I really think this film holds up under objective scrutiny. You deserve more views and I can’t wait to see what you do next.
Thanks so much for the kind words dude, so happy you enjoyed the video!
Oh hey, funny seeing you here Evan
Even now at 24k views, this is still a criminally underrated reviewer. The man could be a film professor.
Wow man!!! This is the BEST Blade Runner 2049 analysis. Just wow man, why not many views?????
In the scene where Love just crushed Joy's emitter in the desert building, K was utterly defeated and broken on the ground. Love was done with K at that point. K wasn't her target, Decker was. That's Why I'm guessing Love didn't kill K outright at that point. He was simply an obstacle to get around, not destroy.
Yeah either way we definitely benefited 🥰😇
Regarding Rob Ager's criticism of replicants coming to know that their false memories are implanted - I disagree with his argument. I have actually experienced a false memory that had a significant impact on my life. Once I realized that the memory was false by verifying through an email chain, that false memory still has an emotional impact on me.
Also, many people remember their dreams and nightmares upon awaking and some even journal about it. These dreams and nightmares still have an emotional impact despite being "false memories".
I think Westworld seasons 1 and 2 explore this question in depth. Sometimes it doesn't matter what's factually real. Sometimes what matters are the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves.
Just as I was thinking, too. The purpose of the memories was to engender emotional stability. The would not necessarily lose their function in that regard even if known-rationally-to be false, because the emotional effect happens at a deeper level.
The original film was something I had to watch a few times to appreciate, and 2049 is no different. As the years have gone on, the original is one of my favorite films, and 2049 continues to be a story I love more and more (flaws included).
You did an absolute amazing job with this review!
at the end of the video you thank me???? Fuck off, mate! THANK YOU!!!!!! Excelent piece of work. A proper way to develop your ideas and share substantial criticism. Also enjoyed your "funny" review of Rings of Power... keep up, excelent stuff.
Im glad to see a positive review of this movie, I love this film and think it's underrated despite it flaws. There's so many hate reviews out there it's refreshing to see a long in depth well made critique of an "objectively" good film lol
Very good review. Only disagreement i really have is that you count Deckard's character change from 2019 to 2021 as a flaw with 2049. I think that Deckard having gone through the events of the original, plus 2 years with Rachel until her death would be enough time to change his opinion of replicants and their place in society
Agree. His interaction with Roy, and relationship with Rachel ; coupled with the realization that he himself is a Replicant and apparently being the father of a miracle would change his perspective ON Replicants role in the future. Especially since he was forced to retire (don't know how many) them. That is why his interaction with Roy is so profound in the first film retrospectively. He sees the humanity in him, then finds himself to be in the same shoes.
"When a simulation becomes indistinguishable from the real thing, does it cease to be a simulation?"
Logically, no, it does not. The effect may become indistinguishable, but the cause remains different. It is still a good question, however.
Found your channel from your Hobbit videos. Then I checked out the RoP videos. Really enjoyed those. I also enjoyed this much older video, but it is certainly different. I actually really like the almost Dateline-y tone, especially from the critique critiquing section.
Hope your channel continues to grow and I look forward to future videos.
I came here after your later videos. Glad to see your earlier work is getting some love too, this is good stuff
Amazing video. I personally took Wallace's claims about putting Reachel and Deckard together as manipulation, just a lie to get Deckard to spill the whereabouts of his daughter. It's like Wallace telling Deckard: whatever love you had, it wasn't a coincidence what you think was a coincidence, it didn't came from there, that's why you should accept the Reachel I made for you... after all I made her for the same purpose. It seems to me that if Deckard thought that the new Reachel was as the same as the previous one, he would tell him the whereabouts of his daughter.
I never picked-up the idea that K being called "Joe" by the advert for the Joi somehow cheapened his relationship with his own Joi. First, all kinds of bots know my name without me knowingly telling them. Second, he already knew that she was a simulation from the beginning, a mass-produced one at that. My only criticism is that maybe you sell a few more of those things if you don't give them creepy all-black eyes in the advert. It is up there with the "buried in skulls" reel that Zod shows Clark to recruit him. I was fortunate enough to see both films on a big screen with a great sound system. For 2049 the experience was enhanced by a freezing-cold cinema and the volume so high that the THX-certified speakers were topping-out. The added misery made the film even more poignant. On DVD they are still both great films, but they are clearly meant to be watched in the cinema.
Maybe all-black eyes are a fad in the future, like nose rings or eyebrow slashes.
Something bizarre to make the same old seem new.
Even discarding the flaws of the Bechdel test… this movie doesn’t fail it. Love and Joshi are two strong female characters, and they have meaningful interactions which progress the plot.
i absolutely adore rings of power for introducing me to you and the little platoon. absolutely incredible content that’s distinct, and very very smart. keep it up man
I was stunned by how good looking 2049 was. Villeneuve and especially Deakins have got some god tier skills. Just found the channel... Great stuff! Accurate, well thought-out and brilliantly articulated insights. Subscribed and look forward to more content
Deakins is the man!
Blade Runner 2049 is like an angel born again.
Denis Villeneuve is the the last bastion of quality movie making.
@@danis8455 bit of an overstatement don't u think lol
great vid thanks!
apparently there is a deleted scene where its revealed Wallace actually calls everyone Love because he cant be bothered to learn thier names.
someone said blade runner asked if deckard was human or not, 2049 said it didnt matter.
if you havent seen it "like stories of old" does a fantastic deep dive really interesting stuff.
two souls, dreadfully distinct, perishing in conflicting dreams of being interlinked
Genuinely one of, if not the best, film analysis video I’ve seen to date.👏
I think despite of being quite decent sequel Deni Villeneuve managed to make it such through the consistency of the world and its visual narrative
The atmosphere is almost the same... but darker. The Tyrell became Wallace corporation - slightly more ambitious building... and more sinister. Idea of androids is even more refined and subjugating yet even more abusive and obedient.
K is not second Dekkard but a mix of Dekkard with a Roy Batty. Dekkard just a connecting line between these time periods and the ending of this movie
But in the end it is a K's story - how the wish and will can overcome artificial slavery even it is programmed and that will mean oblivion.
Overall it is my favorite film from 2019 - still worthy to watch, looks amazing and sound design is superb.
The 1982 movie is extraordinary and when they announced Blade Runner 2049, the prospect of revisiting that world and its themes again was pretty exciting. When it hit the cinema however I found it to be a disappointing experience. Though the movie is visually breath-taking, both the plot and protagonist felt hard to engage with and as a result it felt a cold and emotionally disconnected experience (which in itself should have told me something I guess), and as a result I felt little compulsion to ever rewatch it. However, as a result of finding your channel through your hilarious breakdowns of Rings of Power, and then digesting this excellent examination and analysis of 2049, I've come to appreciate the movie in a new light. Your in depth study here is truly impressive and, while such detailed material clearly takes considerable work (and Rings of Power will likely be occupying your time for the foreseeable future I hope, because your dissection of the show is awesome!) it would be great to see you breakdown and analyse more movies, because you have a remarkable talent for it.
Thanks, yeah I adore BR2049 but until I had the idea of judging it as a sequel rather than just gushing about it I didn't really have any urge to do a video on it. Same with RoP, I see so many people either trashing the show or praising it for bad reasons, and very few people are actually making the arguments, which inspired me to actually explore it!
Found you through the rings of power and the hobbit this last month, and working through your back catalogue. All great, thoughtful revIews mate. This one is no exception. Deserves more views!
Ana had to be female, because the whole plot of the movie is that there might be a replicant that’s capable of bearing a child. If the child were male, it wouldn’t be anymore special than Deckard, because a male replicant cannot bear children.
I'm amazed this only has 12K views, I'm pretty new to the channel, wondered in off the back of the Hobbit Trilogy and I am staggered by the thoughtful, well presented, coherent analysis and flow of all this content. Doubly so this coverage of BR2049.
My son said something very simple to me after we watched the Sonic movie. He goes, “you can tell the people that made this movie really love Sonic.”
Out of the mouths of babes.
I haven't actually seen this movie yet...as a huge fan of the first, and given the climate of today's film, I honestly assumed they would just fuck it up...your review has made me want to go out and see this 💖💖💖
Just finished the stream and now I've got one more hour listening to you talk about one of my favourite films, but not my favourite sequel. Good algorithm Charlie.
Man I must admit, you have way with words. Great work my good sir.
I watched the sequel first, and It's a stunning departure from the superhero movies and sci fi movies I'd seen recently. So as someone who went from the sequel to the original. I like them both, but I think the sequel is just more well-rounded, but that of course wouldn't be possible without the original to back it up.
I really enjoyed this video though, I may not agree with everything, but you're eloquent in putting forward your ideas. Good job.
If you haven't seen it yet, I recommend the Arrival, also by Dennis Villaneuve. It's got a similar ponderous style and monumental visuals, it can feel quite "detached" and cerebral, but there's a lot to unpack there and story-wise it's completely unlike most sci-fi movies I've seen. Not a movie that I've felt the need to rewatch a lot (it's not for mindless playing in the background), but one I cannot forget, having seen it years ago. Definitely worth a try (even if its understanding of what an academic linguist can do can be a bit funny in the opening scenes ;-) )
I had to go back and watch first again it’s been a while! But considering the year, concept and acting-it’s still a piece of art and I’m glad it has a worthy cult following it definitely deserves too☺️😜
(and I’m very sure I did not fully understand it all back then so happy for the articulate appreciative recap😇🥰)
Such a different style of review compared to your Rings Of Power reviews; and yet... brilliant. *So glad I am to have come here* after your RoP and Rise Of Skywalker reviews. The tone of the review is similar to the tone of the movie. Serious. Studied. Thorough. RoP is stupid slapstick and deserves the occasional-cocaine and even the faeces-references style you give it. As I type this, I see the comment below about the line between objectivity and subjectivity; the average person might not get that point (we certainly see that from people defending trash). It's essential for a reviewer of quality to understand this, *and you do*.
Your response to the other critic saying it would be irrelevant/meaningless that Deckard had fathered a replicant child if he were human... and this is the point at which I've paused and am writing this - perhaps I've misunderstood and I should give THIS a second watch as well. The idea that a replicant was so perfect that it would not only reproduce with another replicant, but reproduce WITH A HUMAN... blurring the line between simulation/reality physically, with physicality, even more thoroughly than the question of simulated emotions being functionally real emotions... that sounds as if it would be a re-definition - or re-scoping - of what it means to be human. I haven't watched the other reviewer's video, maybe I need to. Eh.
... but mother of mercy, your analyses, the insights stolen, gleaned from your efforts...
For various reasons, I haven't seen 2049. I... wasn't going to. This review, however, makes it sound as if this movie *needs* to be watched.
Reviewers will never get the accolades directors do. Well... the names of Siskel and Ebert, David and Margaret, okay; but... how many such have there been in the history of cinema? And you're not even doing it in partnership with someone. You're not engaging your audience by bouncing comments off someone else, you're doing this purely through your own kinfe-sharp deep-dive. Beautiful. The Review As A Form Of Art; or at the very least, a work worthy of accolade itself.
Am so glad to have come across this because while I really enjoyed Blade Runner with Harrison Ford, i found the new BR to be incredibly boring because this sort of theme is tiresome to me. Also, was disappointing because I guess I was expecting something else. Very interesting analysis. Thank you.
This is the second of your videos I've watched. I think you have a unique and useful perspective. I'm glad to see your channel is growing, and I'm looking forward to consuming more of your content. Cheers.
Predator 2 definitely did not just repeat what it's predecessor did. Pretty much the only thing that they have in common is that they both advance through a series of murders and both end in a one-on-one confrontation with the main hero and the Predator. The different setting in Predator 2 is is not just a visual change but the whole film has been excellently built around it incorporating themes, plotlines, characters, scenery and general vibes of such a setting. Because of that it works as a standalone film which also gives more worldbuilding for the titular character but not much other fan service in a thematic way or from a film making perspective since all that has been crafted to fit the different setting.
Arguably the best film I ever saw in cinema. The experience blew me away. The sound design more so than the visuals even for me. It's a pure cinema film. And I agree it's not a good sequel at all. It's not even in my top 10 films. Buts its my no.1 best cinema experience.
There are actually examples of Cityspeak in 2049. The old lady accosting K as he climbs the stairs to his apartment and when the doxies are talking with each other when one recognizes K as a Blade Runner.
This needs more views. Great stuff even on second watch.
Excellent video. Great points made. Thank you!
Very good analysis, thank You for this! Have to watch BR 2049 again now...
So what are the chances we'll ever see a sequel to 2049? Only if it was done right n thank you for your content, very thought provoking as a avid science fiction fan for 60 years
Thank you for being self-aware of your critique. Carefully and cleanly done, mate.
I love both movies, but have never seen such a great break down of 2049 outside it being a visual master piece. Really interesting to hear your take on a good sequel.
Not as funny as the ROP video .. but that show wrote it's on comedy, so not really fair to compare.
Yeah I made this years ago with a totally different style. That style wouldn’t work here even if I had wanted it to!
@@randomft Still liked this a lot. Well thought out and interesting to watch. Funny how both are just fantasy stories that's main characters aren't human, but ... with a well told story, these robots make you think deeply about humanity ... and then we have elf's that make me worry deeply for humanity if art is truly a reflection of it
I absolutely love your content. Just watched your first arcane vid. Found you from your Hobbit Series. These long form videos scratch my movie fan itch and it’s something I can listen to on my headphones at work. And before I know it work is over!
I am blown away by the consistency of the tremendous detail and quality of your content. Keep up the incredible work.
I've watched it many times! It's great! The only real problem is that more intellectual than most people can handle.
What a banger, admittedly used it as mere background noise but had to pay attention at certain times, just could not help it. Good job!
My main gripe with Blade Runner 2049 is that it didn't need to exist. There was zero reason to make a sequel to Blade Runner -- though I did like the interquel video game. They should have called it Cyborg Hunter 2049 or something and divorced it from Blade Runner, similar to how the Robocop remake would have been better if it wasn't called Robocop.
I know a lot about the original movie. Like many masterpieces it seems to have been lightning in a bottle that’s very hard to recapture. The original script was a mess and they managed to turn it into something amazing during filming. Rutger Hauer changed Roy Batty’s soliloquy the night before into what we finally see. What was written down was awful. Ford managed to include some detecting for the detective.
I’m one of the people that seems to really like the voiceover version. Without it you lose the best line in the movie. Harrison Ford didn’t wanna do it and so he purposely read the lines is terribly as he could, and it just so happened that it was perfect for the world weary Deckard. It’s things like this that are impossible to recapture.
I thought the sequel was worthy but a bit over the top in terms of the villains. You always run that risk when you cast Jared Leto. Visually it was stunning and it certainly had its moments. But I don’t have the urge to watch it 1000 times like I have the original.
"You always run that risk when you cast Jared Leto." -- lol, that was a very contained delivery of a stinging barb 😀
Having several months to edit the original was perfect timing. Editors strike actually helped the original to be told as best as it could. Directors Cut at least.
Absolutely phenomenal video. I wish I was able to analyze media like this, is there any advice you'd give on how I can approach films and shows this way? Is it just a lot of work and research over a course of time while writing the script, or are you youtubers just geniuses lmao. I've seen my share of films yet I feel like this stuff ALWAYYS goes over my head, do i just suck at the thing I love the most (cinema)??
I mean I am by no means an expert, and two months ago this video had less than 100 views! I'd suggest watching slowly, so pausing frequently if you need to, and trying to dissect why a scene made you feel a certain way. If it made you sad, why. If it didn't make you sad when you think it should have, chances are there is something in there that caused this failure of a reaction. Couple of ideas :)
Lol I’m sure u are not alone this was a big story and world concepts all that-I’m happy to hear it get praise and it’s def not for everyone by any means it’s pace, concepts-def takes a few watches by me to get all the details and see favorite scenes again
Don’t give up!(but yeah this guys a pro right!)
I think you have come up with a brilliant analogy. 2049 is to the original blade runner as aliens is to alien. Both dramatically expanded on the environments. Both of them continued the spirit of the story although not necessarily the direct events of the original.
And know this is gonna sound stupid, but both of them were made with love. Not just passion and ambition but with actual genuine love for the source material. That’s what’s missing in today’s movies. In the place of that we have arrogance and narcissism of people that are not nearly as skillful as they have been led to believe by the participation trophy generation.
But it’s this lack of love and respect for the source material I think that condemns the new movies and TV shows we watch into at best obsessive mediocrity and at worst, well… she hulk and rings of power.
the conclusion is articulated like word porn. relief. comfort. just amazing. i love when u decimated rings of power and barbie too you had some real important points that the world need to understand and needs more attention. you clearly have a passion for this and it shows. incredible mate
I saw you on BSUP recently and was impressed, so I’m going through your videos in order.
I wasn’t a fan of this movie. I thought it would have been fine if it had just been its own thing and not tried to be Bladerunner. However, your thoughts have made me rethink a few things, and now so think I’ll be giving it a rewatch.
Loving your work
Absolutely nailed it. A stunning movie more than worthy of its title.
Jared Leto chewing up the scenery is so awesome contrasted against the very calm demeanor of Ryan gosling.
And I honestly prefer 2049. Much more philosophical movie.
Let me ruin the movie with its massive plot hole. K has a serial code reader that he could have used on himself at any time to prove he was manufactured. He used it on Sapper at the start of the movie - we see how the scanner works. K is reminded again when Mariette says "why don't you look under my eye and find out?" when K asks about her model number. The scene with Coco finding a serial number on the remains yet again reminds K that all replicants are marked, even the older models. We also see his detective skills throughout the movie, so there's no reason to believe he wouldn't scan himself really early in the story.
My idea of that is that K wanted to believe so much that he was special, he didn't want to even try checking his eye in case he really wasn't (which tragically turns out to be the case). The moment he realized his memories were 'real', that's all that mattered; he was actually real, he had a purpose, and by God will he blindly believe it until the truth's too painful to ignore.
Holy shit your videos are good. I started with your recent Rings of power reviews but am going all the way back. I sincerely hope that you gain the subscriber base you deserve as you are well beyond some of the channels that have millions
How does this video have such few views? I gotta say I went into this disliking 2049, but your video has given me a lot of food for thought. Very excited to check out your other videos...
Really great video. I have no plan to watch this movie as I don't care to watch a sequel to a Philip K Duck story that wasn't written by him.
You really made this a journey, however, brilliant breakdown, fantastic diction and the atmosphere and narrative were second to none! Amazing!
Well done. Subscribed. Thank you as well for your videos on the butchering of Tolkein's work, even though you admit to not having a grand knowledge, the effort shows and is appreciated.
This is a marvelous take and review. So far I'm ecstatic to have found your channel.
6:55 actually the budget was $150 Million. Looks better than Thor Ragnarok which had a $180 Million budget
Thanks for the interesting reflections. I have watched both "Blade Runners" and although the 2049 has its own value, the first one, from 1982, will always be one of my favorite movies.
ive been recommending this movies for years as "blade runner 2077" thanks to cyber punk
absolutely adore this film. i actually like it more than the original on a story, acting, and aesthetic standpoint. still love the old, but completely agree its not a good sequel, in fact i don't tell anyone it is. its in my top five alone side No Country for Old Men, Sicario, Serenity, and Kingdom of Heaven (directors cut). it absolutely fails to match what the old Bladerunner said, but i really fucking felt for K. Thinking you are a robot then to find out you arent, to think you are special, you have value. then to find out you arent in many ways. he could have just rolled over and gave up. but he chose. chose to die to get Deckard to his daughter. and i cant help but draw parallels from this movie to todays... porn industries, and how women (and people like Andrew Tate) pray upon lonely men to make them feel special.
Bro I hope you see this comment! First of all great video I agree with most everything, however I just rewatched blade runner and I realized something.
The first time Wallace ever mentions God (apart from calling himself God) is when he talks to Harrison Ford (sorry I suck with names, literally just watched it and idk his name)
He says, "do you ever wonder if you were ment to meet the synthetic? Has it ever occurred to you that you were designed to meet her" he's not saying he orcasrrated their falling in love, he's asking if God is the reason for it. Wallace finally realized he is not God, and even wonders if God is responsible.
He is one of the best villains I've read or watched. He has done everything to make himself God, however despite all of the power he has, God mocks him. He hates God, he wants to be God. He's perfectly written.
My mind is blown. When I first watched I wasn't a Christian, and I had the same reaction " this is weird af, Wallace made them fall in love?"
No, the symbolism is clear. Wallace can't control love(luv)
The luv he created was a monster. The love he couldn't control is what he desired, but couldn't get.
That's why he says that. He doesn't imply that he had any part in it.
Thanks for the video brother
Excellent comment, thank you!
I think its safe to assume that whoever invented replicants did not want them to be fertile if the replicants are created with a purpose of being tools and are treated as such so it wasnt necessarily a design flaw or a technology constraint. Rachel strikes me more as an experiment done not officially because Tyrell knew what consequences this might have and expected backlash from whoever is supervising the whole thing.
Agree. If they can breed then who is going to buy them ? Along with the grand moral questions that would spring forth. Unless of course the off-world work is sponsored by Tyrell, then it would be feasible to have them procreate to save company resources.
I dont udnerstand how is this channel so small ... Great work man, please keep going !!!!
Wonderful work as always
Love this film. Great analysis.. Hoping to see more of your views on other films soon
I loved this movie and your very inspiring review❤-agree with you on almost everything especially the respect as a standalone gorgeous piece…and give you credit for taking on both oversimplified characters/concepts as well as refraining from overly critical on the very advanced “possibilities “ of a sci-fi universe that adds to your own respect and credibility that adds to the intellectual curiosity and avoids the potential for easily dismissing your thoughts and well explained arguments 🎉
1:02:23 nailed it!
Great video. I love both the films but you make a great point the 2049 could well be part of the same universe rather than a true sequel
Thanks for your analysis. Though I do disagree on some points (Joi _just_ being a program), I agree with a lot of what you had to say.
But I don't hold that your main point that BR 2049 is not a good sequel to the original. I was actually taken by surprise by this film. Being a fan of the original, owning the original Criterion LD, DVD Briefcase set, and tripledipping with the Blu-Ray combo pack, I was severely underwhelmed when it was announced they were doing a BR sequel. This is coming off Ridley Scott's Prometheus, a "prequel" to Alien. The fact that Scott also believes the BR story works better if Deckard is a replicant also put me off. So I was curious what kind of trainwreck this would be.
I was completely blown away. This was not a rehash of the first, but a continuation with the world of BR. The themes of what it is to be human/sentient are there, the dystopian future, dirty, used and dying, good stuff. The relationship between K and Joi is the highlight of this film, and K actually does a lot of detective work in this compared to Deckard in the original. Visually stunning in its own way, although my only gripe is the lack of clutter in Morton's house and K's apartment. You do get it in the scrapyard office though, an amazing setpiece. All in all, I find BR 2049 a much more rewatchable film than the original.
To your point that Tyrell wouldn't make a replicant with both false memories and a functional reproductive system is misguided. If we take it on face value that Deckard is human, and it's not a set up to get two replicants to fall in love and procreate, Rachel would be the latest in a line of prototypes that Tyrell would feel comfortable to test in the real world instead of a laboratory. There could have been other "Rachels" but they, and the information on them, could have been destroyed in the Blackout. Obviously, Deckard Rachel's info and plans were lost.
For me, BR 2049 is a very worthy sequel that didn't need to be made, but is entirely welcome. There's only a few other sequels that fall into that category in my book: Tron Legacy, Mad Max: Fury Road, and Top Gun: Maverick.
glad I found your channel because rings of power sucks and I watched your reviews.
Your reviews are really good and it made me watch blade runner
Ended up really liking it. Such a good film I'm for sure going to be reading the book
many thanks for the good reviews
I subbed!
The addition of YzKronk was definite a good one :) still a good video though
I haven’t seen either “Blade Runners” (and plan on seeing them), but I’m watching this analysis. I love your videos, and have watched the ROP several times 😅
This was an incredible analysis. More please!
Charlie, i look forward to your Blade Runner reviews. This wil be my second I.P. examinstion of yours i came into the room listening to your takedown of the Rings of Power, something im perfectly happy not having to commit to. I grew up without reading Lord of the Rings, ny brother nrought me up to speed on that just before Fellowship of the Ring was released. I know of the things not included in the movie, snd i appreciate Jackson, Boyens and Walsh for their good judgement on what to leave out, AND what to return in the directors cut DVD BluRays.
You mentioned youre looking for content to review, preferably bad..... Without looking over your body of work, I'm not sure if you've done anything for dune starting with the attempted properties (zjodirowski, Ridley Scott) and the actual adaptation by David Lynch, the expanded tv version with its hood and bad, the fan edits and then there is the 2000 SyFy cheapo sdaptation and its superior followup combination of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune, and now we have the Denis Villenueve adaptations. Thats a lot but not too much content to go over.... Just a thought. And im loving the blade runner coverage you have here. Looking forward to your channel.
'the idea of buying an idealised virtual girlfriend whose sole purpose is to be everything you want to see and say everything you to hear is of course inherently misogynistic', but is it ? And is it the point ?
I don't think so.
The point is that she is an AI programmed to be what K wants her to be which makes the entire relationship very ambiguous as you already explained. Her being a "woman" and K being a "man" is irrelevant in the thematic imo.
And is it really misogynistic ? I fail to see how. The whole point of having an AI partner is that it can be what you want them to be without needing to openly instruct them to (if you need to then it's basically a sugar baby), so as not to broke the illusion of an authentic relationship. Otherwise, what is the difference with a human one ? Yeah it's twisted, but I think the desire to have a "perfect" partner isn't sex-related and if it is at all, given the research data on human mating I am aware of, I wouldn't deem it as mainly male-related.
Perhaps I missed something but as you didn't develop much, I had to guess what the reasoning could be.
Feel free to correct me if I did.
Besides, I cannot prove it but I feel like, had it been an AI "man" and a replicant "woman", nobody would have uttered a word about it. That may even have been considered as empowering or whatever by some wannabe journalists.
I truely wonder what mental gymastics would have emerged in people's minds if K was gay or bisexual and the AI a "man".
As I understand it, K's partner being an AI has two purposes : one, exploring the relationship between a non-human and an even lesser human, two, K has no choice but to resort to a virtual partner because no human could accept K as a partner, much less an equal one ; in other words it serves to further deepens K's solitude, both on a thematic and concrete level in addition of questioning the nature of humanity and subjective human experience. Nothing suggests a link with sexism, furthermore the world of 2049 doesn't appear to be very concerned with sex issues as humanity issues are more of a concern, to the characters of the movie and to the real-world audience.
At best, K imagining Joi as an hussy tells us that mayhaps his programming included misogynic bias. But seeing that there is a least a replicant "female" whose programming allowed her to become a high-ranking police officer, this hypothesis seems rather unconvincing.
Ha I remember when Cecil used to interview people using the voight Kampf test 😂
Brilliant video. I love the movie and your deep dive. I'm going to enjoy digging into your other videos.
Had to see this as I've just watched BR2049 again and I have watched your other reviews lately. It's very good and you demonstrate a high level of critical intelligence. What I really enjoyed, though, was the advice you gave to those who asked for it, to aid their cinema journey.
Nice one bruv keep it up.
Big love from northeast England ❤
You could say the spirit of PKD, UBIK, Horseloverfat, and much kipple is abound because nobody questioned Albemith, except, maybe, Eldrict. ;)
I really like the movie Oblivion.... but I feel there are more people in that universe than in the 2049 universe. I feel the film is trying way to hard to be this grandiose experience and forgets to be a movie. In Blade Runner Decard was running around a heavily populated city but felt alone.... In 2049 they took all the people out and just left a vacant void that is supposed to be a major city. It was Cyber without the punks. Then you have the cast....... Jared Leto's character was comically evil to the point of try hard'ing by stabbing the replicant. Harrison Ford was checked out. And worst of all... our detective couldn't figure out that the human happened to be the one company employee that was the best at making up dreams.
I really do like the 1st film in all it's many cuts and glory but the follow-up is nothing more than a really good sleeping aid.
This came up again on my feed and I’m still in love with this review and the movies esp BR2049😊
Huh?
I didn’t even know you cover Blade Runner!!! What? 4years ago?? How I’d missed the upload?
Thank you for this, these two movies have always rated high in my view.
I would posit that replicant memories (specifically, episodic memories; those memories of past events), even if they're known to be fake, provide context for the subject in relation to the surroundings, the universe, they find themselves in.
Semantic memories; those of skills and aptitudes, are what provide the ability to accomplish.
Both types would be imprinted directly to the hippocampus, with semantic skills filtering down through the proprioceptors located in the muscles and tendons. Coupled with the reflex response from the spinal cord (there are 3 different types of reflex action; superficial, like the reaction you get from being tickled under your feet; tendon/ligament, like the typical knee-jerk response; visceral, which is what the fight-or-flight reaction is based on). Proprioceptors are the neurons located in the muscles and tendons which serve to initiate a person's kinesthetic sense (the sense of how your body is positioned; if you had no kinesthetic sense, you wouldn't know your hand was placed beside your head unless you turned and looked to see it) and muscle memory, which the ability to perform repetitive actions without conscious thought, since muscles don't store actual memory.
19:15 oof that aged poorly. Anyway, great video! Absolutely adore BR 2049 😁
yeah… Roy Batty was probably the most interesting character in either movie. I wish the original could’ve had more of him, and that he and Deckard could’ve had a scene together earlier in the movie… or perhaps there’s one more rogue replicant that Deckard can encounter early on and have a nice little convo with before being retired 🤷🏻♂️
Blade Runner is a beautiful movie…but, I’m really not a fan of it. I’ve seen all the cuts I know about…however, non of them increase my enjoyment of it. 2049 is stunning and such a better movie
I love your breakdowns! Well done sir!
I've been binging your shit for days now. I love it. Want more... Need more... GIVE ME MORE!
51:58 no... she did not answer his question. She just said it was illegal, not that it wasn't done.
I heard it as a slight nod to the positive affirmation of the notion it could be done, without admitting guilt to a robot police officer on the lamb with brain issues.
55:45 this is the one I assumed, but I like the other one as well.
I saw the K/Luv paradigm differently… Luv wasn’t given a name by Wallace, he just calls everyone “love” as a folksy pet name, and Luv, wanting to desperately to be special, yet knowing she’s not, takes on the name Luv of her own accord.
while K was perfectly happy being an average Joe, fearing and resisting the possibility that he could be something more, and only becomes invested in that identity after Joi encourages it 🤷🏻♂️
@@Sam_T2000 in undisclosed backstory, Wallace was born the the north of England…
@@lsdc1 - is that a joke or what?
I think Luv is actually referred to as “love” by Wallace in the script…
@@Sam_T2000
humour is tricky. Cells.
especially across cultures. Interlinked.
@@lsdc1 - I heard the role of Wallace was originally written with David Bowie in mind 👍
@@Sam_T2000 that could have worked,
He could have added a musical number
“Who knows? Not me
We never lost control
You're face to face
With the man who sold the world”
the efap guys need to watch this one. good vid home slice
I cant believe you had some a big time break between these older ones and the new rings of power ones. Shame you took such a break, would of loved a much bigger back catalogue.