Bird Flu Spreads to Dairy Cattle, Farm Worker Infected, Virus Fragments in Milk
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The bird flu has spread to cattle in the United States. Inactive fragments of the virus have been found in milk. The World Health Organization rates the current risk for humans as low but epidemiologists all over the world are on high alert. I have the summary.
The WHO evaluation is here: cdn.who.int/media/docs/defaul...
The paper about the farm worker is here: www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...
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Should we stockpile toilet paper for this one too?
Get a bidet! I have a bidet attachment on every toilet. Do yourselves and your bottoms a favor!
Well, if it's on milk...
I wouldn't be surprised that people will fight in stores over some kind of supplies. The bets are open on what the product will be.
@@lancervi1762this! I just jumped in the shower in April 2020:)
Yes, and vote democrat - the real reason for these manufactured "emergencies."
The question mark is a cat, and many cats living and working in bird flu-infected dairies are dying of bird flu.
Nope!!
I was running out of things to be afraid of, so this has come along just in time. 😱
There is no need to be afraid. Theres nothing you can effectively do about it. Just live a healthy life and try to lower your stress level. That will do more then most things can
@@bramschoenmakers5071 Too true. I was just reacting with a little light sarcasm. If you can't laugh at stuff, stress levels do indeed rise I reckon 🙂
this is not bird flu,the cattle were vaxxed and are sick from that.
Just in time for an election.
@@MIck-MYou can do something ! Stay up to date on the current science regarding this threat, which is exactly what you’re doing. 👏👍🔬
Small nitpicking - that FDA logo was replaced in 2016. Probably an executive at that point said "I had enough of having people confuse us for SEGA".
Weird. SEGA has a better reputation
@@jeromegouvernel8552 Yeah, but there are no bribe monies in alien hedgehogs.
You know, I was actually confused about this when I saw the logo because it looked so unfamiliar, but then I looked it up and it seemed to belong to the right institution. Didn't occur to me that it was an old logo, sorry about that.
SEGA!
@@SabineHossenfelder It is possibly still the logo most people associate with the FDA. The first image results when searching for "FDA" are variations of it.
The bird flu? Yeah, they tend to do that.
You are a bit chirpy
Bullshit
@@bobdavis3357 Ah, I see you are an original thinker
Ugh.... Take your like and get out. 🤣
Facinating.
Old poem from the early/mid 1900’s. “It isn’t the cough that’ll carry you off. It’s the coffin they’ll carry you off’in.”
What happened in 1918 was not disastrous because it existed, rather that there was a war, and the military made it disastrous by shipping people all over the place.
The magic jab potion is "tHe OnLy" cure when people are complacent about how they live with their hygiene, and thats what people in the 1900's didn't want to acknowledge.
I made 1 comment before this one.
Unfortunately understood.
Like
It’s not the disease that will kill you.
It’s the treatment that will get you.
It's not the virus but the labs that concoct it.
@@Shellie-bf3wx It doesn't mean that at all. It means you're not dead til you're dead, but when you're dead, you're dead.
Basically, don't accept death until you're dead, live til you can't.
Industrial scale chicken and egg farming began in earnest in about 1910 and right from the beginning disease was a key feature of upscaling the size and intensity as farms developed. Assuming that during the first world war these new techniques were implemented across Europe and the USA, so it is highly likely that the post war pandemic of influenza had poultry farming as its source.
The terrible outcome of this monstrous industry we have grown worldwide is a hotbed of disease for the poultry and possibly for humans and other mammals, but we have seen widespread culling of free range flocks as precautionary measures even when there is no evidence of infection just because of proximity to factory production sites.
Blaming wild bird populations for the spread of avian flu seems such an injustice as they are innocent victims of a human problem and the environmental impact on air quality and water quality near large installations are causing grave concerns about those related issues.
This ought to be the pinned comment.
Pasteurization is really only necessary because of the giant dairy industry's horrible treatment of their cattle. They treat the cows just as badly as they treat their employees.
If you were buying milk from your neighbor and your kid got sick from it do you suppose they would just blow you off because they have a hundred million other customers and don't have to care about you? No. Their reputation would be destroyed and they would lose their income. Only a giant corporation can ignore that kind of thing. And they most certainly do.
Animal agriculture is also the top cause of deforestation habitat loss and biodiversity loss.
It's worth noting that the disease is manifesting as conjunctivitis in cattle, which could be telling of the mechanism of the spillover. The dairy farmer in the U.S. also presented the same type of symptoms, meaning it for some reason isn't causing severe disease within the respiratory tract. This may be good news as it could mean transmission is more limited due to the type of receptors available, particularly in the eye, across species. For more detailed analysis, This Week In Virology is a bi-weekly net cast hosted by Dr. Vincent Racaniello of Columbia and his cohorts. The episodes with M.D. Ph.D. Daniel Griffin are a good place for those new to virology as his episodes focus on evidence based science for disease outbreak and medical intervention.
As we know, these zoonotic viruses can learn new behaviors to allow spread. Once it gets into mammals, it's only a matter of time before it finds new vectors. The real pandemic starts in 6 months.
So... next time it's gonna be ski-goggles and rubber gloves. Something to look forward to.
this is not bird flu,the cattle were vaxxed and are sick from that.
@@Volkbrechtit depends... It might be mild in humans but bad for small animals like cats and dogs.
So yeah... Better wear globes and goggles if you dont want to see your furrie friends die...
@@Volkbrechtwith ski googles, those same delicate western society children shouldn't develop mental problems like they did when a mask covered the face. Some are still traumatized.😅
Pretty certain "No need for alarm" is the unofficial slogan of the Umbrella Corporation
😂😂😂
Rather than reacting with fear, consider how incredible it is that we actually have the capability to keep track of potential threats now. You don't have to go back very far in time at all to get to a place where we could only flail around in response to something once it was already dangerous. Increased awareness of danger leads to a greater feeling of danger, even though it represents a lower actual level danger. (due to preparedness)
yes it is amazing how humans survived for tens of thousands of years without complex intervention and testing. almost like nature tends to make viruses LESS virulent over time by way of environmental pressures. just remember nature has no ego
In the olden days of the last century, we had no such threats.
@@rupertchappelle5303 incorrect. we've had such threats at least as long as we've kept livestock. It's only recently that we've been able to properly attribute their sources.
@@rupertchappelle5303nonsense, pick up a book on virology or Epidemiology. We've had dozens of viral pandemics through out human history
Global depopulation means you too
Thank you for your time and hard work that goes into your responsible, well -researched show. I sincerely appreciate being able to keep up . Please feel free to break form with your topic selection. You have at least one guaranteed happy subscriber.
H5N1 has been giving virologists nightmares since 1990’s.
Birds flew?
& fled.
WHO Knew Birds flew?
And chimney swift's flue.
over the cuckoos nest
The problem: Gates etc. still walking on the surface of the planet. Follow the money. It all ends in Basel and the Zionists Bank for International Settlement.
Don't forget that the Case Fatality Rate only tells you how many people died who were known by doctors to have the infection. It doesn't tell you how many people died out of all the people who were infected, meaning those who didn't get counted as a case because had no symptoms, mild symptoms, or died without anyone knowing they had symptoms. The CFR might also not always make the distinction between those who died from the infection and those who died with the infection.
These banal infections cause serious illness in people who are somehow more susceptible or immunocompromised. According to the measurements, this is 0.2-0.3 percent of the population. They are probably the only ones who see a doctor when they get an influenza virus infection. In this very narrow group, mortality can be as high as 20-30%. That is, the number is correct, but the basis of reference is not correct.
Virus amount and method of transmission might be also a key in CFR.
Also doesn’t count people who were asymptomatic.
All the more cause for panic!
Will the Martians allow us to travel there knowing about the epidemy on earth?
The people were killed in the hospitals by Remdesivr and similar drugs causing kidney failure. That’s why they told you such nonsense like “the new corona virus migrates it from the lungs to the kidneys and causes kidney failure”. Total 100% bs. Tony Fauci, the FDA, NIH, NIAID, WHO, Johns Hopkins University, all committed first degree mass murder on behalf of the pharma.
I’m glad you do cover a wide range of topics that can concern us all. The way you explain your research and come to clear unbiased conclusions is really good and much needed when there is so much intentional misinformation about. Well done and thank you!
Dr. H., thank you for using your gravitas in this medium to let us know the essential facts in this matter. You may not be in public health, but your pov with a scientist's mind is quite valuable. Danke.
There's also no reason to think thay the actual fatality rate for that early strain was 52% as the only people who were documented to have it were those who had severe enough symptoms to seek medical care. Excluded from these numbers are those that didn't seek medical care, either because they didn't deem it necessary, or because of factors like lack of coverage, other costs associated with care, or general apprehension of doctors, which was fairly prevalent in completely informal polls(asking coworkers) that Ive done.
They like to use percentages because of how easy is to deceive people.
If only one person is infected by a virus in a city that has never had a virus . regardless if the population of 200,000 or 5 million. That's still 100% increase.
Thank you…you could have also mentioned that the virus mutates easily in large poultry farms, where an unnatural number of birds are crammed into miserable conditions.
Large amount of cattle cramped into miserable conditions is even scarier because then the virus will adapt to mammals, and yeas you are an mammal.
@@lubricustheslippery5028 Like cities . . .
Truth hertz, donut?
this is not bird flu,the cattle were vaxxed and are sick from that.
The 2002 bird flu killed about 70% of the wild birds in my area, but was only a minor nuisance to poultry farmers. It's possible that chickens in close quarters need and get immunity to more variations of avian flu.
It's as if large-scale animal farming and the overuse of antibiotics are growing threats to human health.
Antibiotics have zero effect on viral transmission or viral immunity.
At least there are humans alive to be affected. No food = no humans. People of Sri Lanka starved from food shortage just from not being able to use amonia nitrate. That's not even scaling back on farming. There is never gonna be a perfect solution to every problem. Everything is a compromise.
antibiotics don't affect the flu.
@@patricialee76not directly, but that's not the point. The overuse of antibiotics is mitigation for the impact of horrible conditions in farming, conditions that have helped incubate and spread this latest potential pandemic virus. The point stands.
If a farm uses an antibiotic on a cow, that milk can't be used for human consumption. There is a drug protocol that prevents it use for a fuxed period in days. The milk processors test the milk received from farms and they will reject the whole lot of milk if they detect an antibiotic.
There was a study published four days ago about a dairy farm where cows started getting symptoms that were later confirmed to be caused by H5N1. The next day, the farm cats, who usually drink spilled milk, started showing symptoms too. Three days after showing the first symptoms, over half of the 24 cats were dead, whereas most of the cows eventually recovered. According to the study, they found H5N1 not just in the lungs of the cats but also in the eyes, brain and heart.
Don't drink raw milk
Burrough ER, Magstadt DR, Petersen B, Timmermans SJ, Gauger PC, Zhang J, et al. Highly pathogenic avian influenza A(H5N1) clade 2.3.4.4b virus infection in domestic dairy cattle and cats, United States, 2024. Emerg Infect Dis. 2024 Jul
I'd heard cats were getting infected drinking the raw milk. But saw nothing in the news about the cats fatality rate. Thanks for the info. Let us know where the study is from so we have all the info. Thank a
@@tw8464 Can't put links but it's from the "Emerging Infectious Diseases" Journal, the title of the study is "Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza A(H5N1) Clade 2.3.4.4b Virus Infection in Domestic Dairy Cattle and Cats, United States, 2024"
And farm cats often fend for rhemselves on a diet of rodents and what else? Ah! birds that don't get away from the cats because they may be debilitated by some epidemic avian infection, which they have in a large infective inoculum in their bodies. The cats don't catch it from spilt milk!
It's not good for cattle, or milk-drinkers, but to me, as the owner of some of the sweetest little pet chickens in existence, this is DAMNED SCARY! Makes me want to go completely cover and seal my birds' pens to keep any wild birds away from mine!
Thanks, Sabine, I appreciate what you do - even when it's slightly terrifying for my pets.
It is NOT scary, there are 10,000 diseases out there and most people don't die of any of them. Relax.
The pro's of drinking raw is better than the cons when you practice a healthy lifestyle.
For millenia that has been the way to drink it, and all of a sudden in the past blink of time in history we want to pretend that pasterizing is the somehow superior; what a joke.
Your chickens will probably be just fine. They want to scare everyone that has backyard flocks. They were even putting hormones in a popular feed that would stop ovulation, but the it was caught on to.
livestock live in cramped spaces and allow for free access to disease carriers.
the number of them make mutations more likely.
and the farmers/meat plant workers are constantly exposed to them.
easy to see the link, no?
Thank you for sharing this. You absolutely should share this kind of information, so it's more widely known that this is happening and what (little) we can do to avoid contracting the virus.
No, don't quote Eric Feigl Ding....he is an internetmeme. Feigl-Ding is an expert in every current thing so he is probably now a Gaza and Ukraine expert, but next month he might be a bird-flu expert and in two months in expert in Nigeria.
Where do you get your info from? According to Wikipedia, he is an expert in epidemiology.
"Feigl-Ding's work focuses on epidemiology, health economics, and nutrition. He is the Chief of the COVID Risk Task Force at the New England Complex Systems Institute. He was a Senior Fellow at the Federation of American Scientists. He was a researcher at the Harvard Medical School, and at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.[1]
"Feigl-Ding is also the Chief Health Economist at Microclinic International,[19] as co-principal investigator of several intervention programs for obesity and diabetes prevention in the US and abroad. He developed a 130-year cohort study of Major League Baseball regarding the relationship between obesity and mortality in athletes.[20] He has also developed and led public health programs for Bell County, Kentucky,[21] the Danish Ministry of Health,[22] and as a report chairman for the European Commission.[23]
"In 2006, while completing his doctorate at Harvard, Feigl-Ding co-authored a study on COX-2 inhibitors that confirmed serious risks specifically associated with the drug, Vioxx, which Merck had withdrawn from the market two years earlier, in 2004, and which argued that Merck should have known about the risks.[5][24][25][26] He was one of over 3,000 researchers who participated in the Global Burden of Disease Study, funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.[27][18]"
What are you, some kind of expert expert?
He is en epemiologist.; This is about an outbreak. So you can listen to what an actual expert says or what politicians, commentators and barstools opine.
@@roydoorenspleet1548 "epemiologist" He's as much an expert in his supposed field as you are an expert in spelling.
@@roydoorenspleet1548 "epemiologist" Dingbat is as much an "expert" in his supposed field as you are an expert in spelling.
So... pasteurization works. Thanks for the update.
Apparently 24 cats on a dairy farm in Texas were fed raw cows milk late last month and half of them died from bird flu.
Apparently one million humans believed whatever they read and all commited suicide. No wait, that was you.
Cats should not be drinking milk (or eating dairy products) in the first place. Cat owners are ignorant of that it seems.
Humans and animals have been drinking raw milk for centuries...people have been eating raw eggs too...
Mission to inform accomplished. Well done, Sabine, thank you.
Yup:
“Unvaccinated are a danger to themselves and others. Of course, they should not have the same rights and freedoms as vaccinated people. Anyone who intentionally puts others in danger has to live with the consequences.”
- Sabine Hossenfelder, 2021, Twitter
Thank You Dr. Sabine.
Finally, I'd been wondering when covid 2 would come out.
I and many others predicted this. Here we go again. Episode 2 coming soon.
Covid 2? There has been dozens of viral pandemics through out human history
@@HumbleBee123 As long as there is money to be made and the perpetrators are not in prison...
I been saying Biden and the Demoncrats would come up with something like COVID before the November elections. They have to do Biden can campaign from his basement
Thank you for covering this. I appreciate your measured discussion of the facts and frank statement of the prognosis.
Dolphin in Florida was found dead in 3/22 of avian flu.
From or With?
@@mikeaugust with
watch the beggining intro of world war z they mention avain flu .
Just read that they also found it in Dolphins. 😢
They left . . . after thanking us for all the fish.
As if dolphins aren't having a hard enough time, now this.
@@TheMrCougarful Especially after the cows returned to the sea in 2020 . . .
If it's being surreptitiously sprayed in the atmosphere, you'll definitely find it in dolphins.
...no cause for alarm...its only the miami dolphins
Always cook any meat to temperatures of 160 degrees. Oven thermometers can help to check a temperature
Excellent report, Sabine! Thanks. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Thanks for tackling this issue so fluently.
I suspect foul play.
Fowl
@@croma4158 You guessed the double entendre correctly congratulations!
Unfortunately I have no prize for this wonderful momentous occasion but fear not, You get the best prize of all.
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Acknowledgement, In the form of golden star stickers and a entry into the school district spelling Bee.
which is the only prize that matters and if you disagree your getting a wet willy.
Everything we consume has been tampered with, deseeded produce so we cannot grow from saved seeds. I do save now from my foods. Trust nobody in media concerning food safety claims. Governments want absolute control of food we purchase to deny us freedom of choice. It is about absolute power over the worlds food supply chains, distribution, farming, exports and what we consume. The control over every aspect of life.😢🇨🇦🤷🏻♀️
All parts of the pen have flown through space. Come to think of it, all parts of the pen are flying through space
Explains why it's not a stationary
@@pandajfry the earth is moving through space.
@@pandajfry But it is stationery!
But you don’t know how the universe itself is moving, so can’t say for sure
Thank you for sharing Sabine!
Thank you for reporting on this issue. I had not heard anything from mainstream media.
Thank you for this report. I appreciate it a LOT 👍
Most DEFINITELY 👍🏻 spike food products with bird 🐦 flu 🤒 to prepare the populous immune system for the possible bird 🦢 flu pandemic 😷! It worked for Ebola, some populations in Africa had moderate immunity from unknown slight exposure!😅
Sales of raw milk have gone up in the USA. Here in Canada it is illegal to sell raw milk.
Sounds like Davos is not yet giving up.
You can turn a hover pen into a seismometer with just the addition of a laser and a photodetector!
Ah!
@@bryonfreeman3524 easier to put bells on the rhinos
That's actually pretty cool... I'd probably go with an electrostatic sensor though. Or maybe electromagnetic.
@@godfreypoon5148 Thinking about it, a Hall sensor might do instead of laser and photodetector.
At this point, The Who has more medical cred than the WHO.
Whom do you consider to be more reliable than the World Health Organization? By the way the who rock group are awesome! I saw them in concert with Keith Moon and it was the best concert I ever saw. Even better than the stones Eric Clapton or Santana.
Many thanks Sabine.... always interested to hear what you say...
Thanks for the info, boss.
My dog got bird flu and mites from putting her nose on a dead bird. It took the dog three weeks to get over the flu and nearly a year later I’m still treating mites.
That sounds unrealistic af
I didn't think we'd have another another pandmic this year until pigs fly... but now cows flu.
There is always something to fill the horror channel between wars.
Thanks!
I love watching Sabine read the ads
One set of 1st cousins had a different grandmother than me: theirs died in 1919 from the flu pandemic. She was in her early 20s and my uncle was a baby :(...
If they only had Eric-Feigl Ding to get advice from they'd still be alive today, sad!
So sad, she actually died from bacterial meningitis from wearing a mask. Masks are what killed most everyone.
@@notanemoprog Are you kidding?
Sabine:
“Everyone has a weakness, and mine is pants. No not pants, pence..”
Genuinely couldn’t tell what I was hearing 😅
I had to turn on the Closed Captions. Not auto-generated, Sabine does proper ones. Ahh, PANS. Why put eggs in them? I was focusing on the eggs. Anyway, all made clear now, confusion eliminated.
Thank you for the information on bird flu and its implications
We used to worry about dogs and cats sleeping together. Who knew we needed to keep our eyes on cows and birds!
I view a virus that’s capable of jumping from avians to mammals as highly adaptable and a total bummer.
You are urged to become VEGAN, since carnism (the destructive ideology that supports the use and consumption of animal products, especially for “food”) is arguably the foremost existential crisis.🌱
BOO! - Dr. Fauci
I view a government that can inflate fears in order to destroy its economy and hurt a president a total bummer.
Woohan has been hard at work!
Viruses have developed a lot of tricks across the vast stretches of evolutionary history.
☕🍩Stay on Top of it!☕🍩Thank you for the Report!☕🍩
Thanks Sabine.
I have a book reprinted in the 1960s it's about dairy farming management.
We are concerned about over use of Antibiotics. Routine in dairy Cows when drying off.
Residue detected in milk samples.
There is a disease called Bovine Seasonal flu, it hits whole dairy herds, and in some cases can be fatal but anyway definitely be economic effects.
But it's young stock which are most effected research points to calfs which have not had the opertunity to take their mother's milk are most susceptible and and has a high mortality rate.
Brought in calfs can infect other young stock so its important to isolate new batchs of calfs and make sure they have benefited from their mother's natural Antibiotics bank.
We know that a calf with a infection which can suckle its mother will cross infect its mother which will then use its immune system to produce a antibody which will pass onto its calf via her milk.
The importance of suckling our young in all species can not be over rated ,.
I thought the bird flu was Twitter .... now X to mark the spot it died.
Well, this sucks.
Every new telescope must take an image of the Horsehead Nebula - that's in the rulebook, right? 😂 LOL!
Yeah, I'm prepared for the loss of Hubble, but I'm STILL mad that it's not going to be salvaged for a future museum!
Ahh the F D A the paragons of truth and without a revolving door with big pharma, I’ll always trust those guys with my life !!!
It will arrive just in time for the US election in Nov.
Ice cream a risk ? Just as summer approaches.
just make sure to boil your icecream before eating and you should be fine
Bidens going to be devastated.
@@FunFindsYT Just put it outside the window, "climate is boiling", don't you remember? 🤷♂
Vegan ice cream exists (the Breyers ones don't even cost about the same)
Vegan ice cream exists (the Breyers ones even cost about the same as their forced-cow-lactation counterpart)
That pen looks like a rocket or something, lol. nice idea!
I saved this watch not realizing it was by you . Very nice!
I'm curious what method they're using for detection when they test things like milk samples, formula, powdered milk, etc. Are they using lamp or PCR detection? Also curious what type of media they're using
Last I heard, genetic analysis from the dairy worker that was infected did not match that found in any of the samples taken from cattle. And cfrs can be very misleading, unfortunately we seem to have a very hard time at figuring out ifrs - and that makes it easier to implement hysterical responces.
An administration with no capacity and China is an enemy on our soil with bio labs. Both the cause and the response are gonna threaten to kill us. Wow.
The Media lives from hysteria.
I had a look and can find no mention of this anywhere, where exactly did you hear this?
@@bishopdredd5349 From a report complaining about the lack of specific data needed to draw any half decent conclusions. I'll see if I can find it and point you to it.
@@bishopdredd5349 Having trouble posting you the location of the article!
I just bought a new Hover Pen Interstellar for my Sons Graduation. Thanks for the idea Sabine!
Question is, how does bird flu get from chickens to cows? Why are we feeding chickens to cows? Instead of grass?
Another informative episode, thanks Sabine.
just in time for the election cycle!
Thank you Sabine.
The Albert with a mask made me lose it
Although I'm not terribly worried about this at the moment, it was concerning that the USDA needed a kick in the pants from the international community to even share the genetic sequence data it had last month. Thankfully that's had the effect of finally getting them to do more of the testing they should've been doing all along, and there's pressure to keep monitoring the situation as it evolves (figuratively and literally).
Side thought: it'd be great if the companies making mRNA vaccines, e.g. Pfizer, would get a headstart this time around, and at least lay the groundwork for an H5N1 vaccine, if not make an actual working one for cattle. I'm sure more than a few farmers would be pleased.
Is this actually the cows being infected? Because dairies in America at least have an issue with European starlings dieing in animal feed. Not necessarily the cows being affected
The industry also admits to using "Poultry litter" as cow feed. They claim it's pasteurized but the razor thin profit margins and the energy requirement of pasteurization makes me question how often corners are cut.
No, only the flying cows
livestock live in cramped spaces and allow for free access to disease carriers.
the number of them make mutations more likely.
and the farmers/meat plant workers are constantly exposed to them.
easy to see the link, no?
Wicked cool pen. I wish I had a desk.
what if we just stopped raising animals for food?
Stopping animal agriculture would spare so many lives. And not even for the fact that animals eventually go to slaughter. The diseases it breeds and the ecological damage it causes make it absolutely unconscionable.
The lead author of The Oxford study done by Poore and Nemeck said that switching to a plant-based diet is the best way to minimize your Environmental footprint!
Standard practice in animal agriculture is overusing antibiotics which makes the development of an antibiotic resistant pathogen inevitable!
So 'Gain of function' research has finally given us the hovering pen! well worth waiting for.
Ir its a gain of function then its a failure for the moment.
Every time I look another of my texts has been taken off this video.
That was a decent summary of the situation. When official medical advice is that the risk of something is low the messaging is a balancing act between being cautious to not understate the risk, but also not wanting to create unnecessary panic. The message I get from the low risk statement is that the vast majority of people are very unlikely to come into contact with an infectious dose of the virus, but there is concern over the path the virus is evolving.
The other thing is we have an ongoing and permanent 'flu pandemic, it's why older and immune compromised people are recommended to get vaccinated every year. It's the vaccination of vulnerable populations that prevents a lot of deaths from happening on an annual basis. What makes a sudden bird 'flu cross over to easy human-human spread worrying is the lack of vaccine that can be quickly deployed across the world. It may be more deadly than the annual 'flu pandemic but it's the lag time to when there can be widespread vaccine deployment that will be the reason there are a lot more deaths than typical years.
the bird flue however will probably hit a lot harder, and would obviously spread way easier given that birds and now farm animals would all be potential vectors. Pair that with a potential high mortality rate and we would surly get global panic! Countries almost fell apart during COVID which only a 2-3% mortality
Not really... If its too dangerous a quarantine might be more effective at isolating cases.
Also, all countries in the world know how to deal with viruses now.
Finally, we have vaccines pre-approved and ready for mass production, just some touches here and there and DONE.
@@Rafael96xD 🤣🤣🤣🤡
@@Rafael96xD In the modern world quarantine is ineffective, COVID proved that. While it may be technically possible, socially people are terrible at following instructions and don't want to bear the very real costs associated with a real quarantine.
We got lucky with COVID that it mostly affected older/unhealthier people and we happened to have new vaccine technology that had already passed safety trials and just needed scaling. If we ever get a pandemic that mostly kills babies and working age people, the social reaction will be completely different.
Or as they say: once you've survived one pandemic, you've learned to survive that one pandemic. The next one will be completely different.
The Wuhan virus had even less mortality...that 2% is overinflated...
Covid didn't have 2-3% mortality. You are out by a factor of more than 10.
mRNA tech will probably never be used again for large scale vaccinations. It's simply too dangerous.
If non-experts in a field didn’t support good science in general, we would all be shooting bleach in our veins while insisting the earth is flat
"would all be shooting bleach in our veins " Who suggested that?
Btw nice botnet, congrats on your 44 likes in a second!
@@notanemoprog Donald Trump suggested that against Covid
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@@user-jd2gi7dy5d actual quote?
I am stockpiling wine this time...the toilet paper was boring
06:30 Re Hover Pen, Very cool, I do like the meteorite embedding. I just laugh because, Sabine, we're all flying through space! I have my own version of a pen with my fingernail clipping or baby-tooth embedded!
Is the fragments in dairy a kind of natural vaccine? How did this work in prehistory? How did getting cowpox help with smallpox? Natural
Probably not. Cowpox was the entire virus, so getting it it primed the immune system against when smallpox showed up. It is like COVID. The more virus particles you inhaled, the greater the chance of you dying, since the more you inhaled, the more had a chance to replicate inside you before your immune system had a chance to mount a defense. It is a race to replicate inside you - the virus, versus the immune system attackers. When you read how COVID works, it is amazing everybody doesn't die, since a single virus particle can produce millions of copies of itself after it takes over one of your cells and transforms it into a little virus factory. Before you know it, there are trillions of them inside you, with the number growing exponentially. Getting fever might kill a lot of them.
Wouldn't you *want* to drink milk from infected or past-infected cattle? I don't know how it works for cattle to human, but I at last know that nursing babies receive antibodies of current or past infections from their mother's milk, boosting immunity without having to get sick in the first place.
It might be different if the antibodies from the cow are unsuccessful or less successful than ones produced by the same species. But other than that, I wouldn't write it off completely without a deeper look.
That sounds like a huge roll of the dice.
@mygirldarby not really. Catching live and intact H1N1 from milk at the grocery store, dairy products, or even bovine colostrum tablets is unlikely, I'd argue more unlikely than getting antibodies, but that's just a hypothesis... and that's why we need a closer look at it, because you don't need to "roll the dice" when actual research and tests are performed.
Mother's milk is for babies. Cow milk is for cows. No, for the love of God, don't drink raw bird flu milk or give it to babies. Human babies aren't even supposed to drink cow milk. These people out there saying "infect everyone" are the ones making the human reservoir and going to cause the next epidemic. And they'll take no responsibility for doing so but shift all the burdens and costs onto the people actually holdinh society up on their backs. Do the internet nonsense pushers know how many people throughout history have died of infectious disease? How is it possible all these modern people "don't know" and pushing terrible completely wrong way of dealing with infectious disease via the internet? It's unbelievable.
Thank you.
"The Bird Flu" is now being treated in the USA by Tamiflu which anyone can get via prescription.
Plantbased should be the way to go. It is ethical towards animals, the most sustainable and it would defo drop the chances of zoonotic diseases. And some says it is helping to avoid common illnesses when it is a whole food plant based diet.
One day we will do the right thing. I hope 😅
Another drawback to animal agriculture is the standard use of antibiotics which makes the development of antibiotic resistant pathogens a certainty.
Totally random and probably incorrect comment: maybe us milk-drinkers are getting pre-vaccinated with the inactive/parts of the virus.
I'm ready to believe that one
I actually had that same though. But not sure if such a small amount would make it past the stomach enzymes into the blood stream. I would suggest ingesting your milk via the nasal passage for a better immune outcome :)
@@axle.student I de-ingested the milk via my nasal passage...
Same same, eh?
@@godfreypoon5148 Maybe if the stomach acids and enzymes didn't already neutralize the virus. Stomach enzymes work quit quickly to neutralize (metabolize) toxins etc. That's what we as humans can get away with eating a lot of toxic vegetable matter.
I'm not a scientist, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way.
Me: "Whoa..."
*chugs a glass of milk*
time to cuddle the birds more! 🙂
Thank you, Sabine! I hope there are no labs experimenting, again!!!
That's not very likely. The more common a virus is - the greater the likelihood of it mutating to infect something else. Bird flu has been going around for years, so this scenario was going to happen sooner or later - birds pass the flu from species to species, birds poop as they fly over fields, feed in fields, nest in fields, and cows, sheep, goats, pigs, bison, elk, llamas, kangaroos, deer, rabbits, hares, horses, zebra, impala and many, many more animals eat it, constantly giving the virus millions of chances to adapt.
You don't need a lab - we're all living on one.
Who needs labs when you have a bunch of factory farms cramming thousands of (sentient) animals together in unsanitary conditions, many of them dead or dying or rotting before getting disposed of in the local cesspool that drains into the local water supply? Labs culture small batches of mammalian cells with very strict sanitation and safety measures.
Who needs labs when you have a factory farm on every corner, cramming thousands of (sentient) animals into unsanitary conditions where many have open wounds, or are dead, dying, or rotting before getting thrown in the cesspit with their comrades' feces which leak into the local water supply? I don't think any lab could culture that many mammalian cells in such great conditions for viral infection and (uncontrolled and unobservable) gain of function experimentation.
The novium hooverpen with added meteorite is only £448.50 more than my bic. Bargain!!!
Might as well spend it before the next pandemic kills even more of us tho, saving for the future is so last century
Thanks SH excellent video! Very informative, please keep posting educational content.
Interesting Sabine. I have a Novium hoverpen as well.
So glad I don't need chicken or beef etc
Every major organization of experts in nutrition have confirmed that a fully plant-based diet gives us everything we need to thrive. B12 supplements not only benefit vegans but also those who assume they get enough from eating animals and what comes out of them.