Playing 30000 Marbles - Marble Machine X
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UA-cam made this video available in 4K finally! There have been some issues with youtube not displaying our recent videos in 4K but if you have a 4K screen you can now take a look at the clean floor in hi res.
You're so freaking COOL! LIKE OHMYGOSH I WANT TO BE AS COOL AS YOU ARE
Can't wait for the marble machine
CONGRATULATIONS!
can you play 696,969 marbles next?
Good morning mar bremachinegood sou nd.
Ah, so that's what it was. Hurray for higher bitrates! :D
Martin learned that geometrically balancing the wheel isn't the same as balancing its mass :D
That's what I was thinking too... it's a lot like balancing car wheels, and with flywheels in particular, mass balancing matters a whole lot more. I've once seen in person what happens when an unbalanced mass of only about 5kg is spinning up to a targeted 3000rpm. The outcome was not pretty. No injuries, but frightening carnage to machinery.
Don't confuse Martin with facts.
All of us who owns a lathe knows this very well.
The second he showed the angle grinder contraption, I knew this would end in tears.
it was really grinding my gears
Martin: breaks both of his angle grinders
MMX: Finally, a moment of respite
Martin: Fixes angle grinder immediately
MMX: DEAR GOD NO
severely underrated comment. I lol'd
MMX: Surprised Pikachu face
Dear UA-cam: please don't recommend super awesome and fascinating videos in the middle of the night, when I'm just searching for something to lull me back to sleep.
Welcome to the MMX rabbit hole. There's no escaping until Martin finishes the machine
And there is always room for improvement
Middle of the night piss break trapped me here.
😊
🤣 Yes cos you know if you save to watch later you rarely do.. Sleep well x
100% engineer, 100% musician, 1000% artist.
I wanted to write similar comment and I found this just below pinned comment 😮
1000000% OCD
Martin: "this is my best idea EVER!"
Martin 2 minutes later: "this turned into a nightmare"
Actually, it was his best comedy idea ever.
*idee
@@Talaxianer I don't know where you live, but where (in a form of english language) is it pronounced idee?
@@SinclairWest It was pronounced like that by Martin, my comment was just a joke
@@Talaxianer ah okay, just curious ^^ as he is originally from Sweden it's no big wonder. I'm from Germany, we also write "Idee" but pronounce it completely different.
Martin: uses Excel to document reliability %
also Martin: doesn't use the main feature of Excel...
It is weird to see the cell linking feature to not be used with maths like this. It is so much easier and reliable to just construct the formula once and then copy it to the rest of the rows instead of risking inputting incorrect variables.
Seeing the spreadsheet used like this gave me brain hemorrhage.
As he has said in one of his earlier videos, he isn't a spreadsheet wiz.
Isn't he using Google Sheets? Not sure if that has the cell linking.
@@eclipse-music can corfirm due to online class that it does. Is just a pain in the ass to do more complex functions
I love how this whole series seems to be a guy saying "There was an easier way to do it... but that wasn't nearly as fun."
People like this need all the support we can give.
True
Also cool name dude
The whole machine isn't easy. It's just fun.
This comment aged terribly
@@lienzo250 We wouldn't still be on the journey with him if he had done it the easy way because, where's the fun in that?
Это потрясающе! Это сродни созданию космического корабля! 😊💖
This man’s techniques are... unique
How is there 50 likes but only one comment
Tunique should be a word, no?
@@northlandgaming8460 no
Unique techniques for a very unique project
That grinding wheel decision was…..interesting lol
If "Angle Grinder" isn't played live during the world tour, then I'm not going
Was going to say the angle grinder needs to be part of the Machine.
Or in other words "What this song needs is more angle grinder!"
For sure a potential best seller!!!
If there is a lesson to the channel other than the machine itself, It should be it!
@@DesignedbyWill2084 why have a state of the ark electric motor driving the mmx when you can just use the angle grinder?
LOL!!
As an engineer who has worked many years in “Quality and Reliability”, you cannot put the six in the FAILED column. They did not fail for what you were testing. They are a “new failure mechanism”. Analysis shows a design defect in the feed mechanism for not limiting the flow for such a small flow of marbles to the main mechanism.
It's a FEATURE!
I think he counted the 6 in the count because he's not just counting marbles that escaped the machine where the marbles were let loose to hit the instruments. This was an overall whole-machine stress test (except for the unplayed portions) and those 6 lost marbles showed there was a specific set of conditions that need to be addressed.
As a QE. Martin’s Definition of a defect was a marble on the floor. So it counts. The cause of the failure is different.
If writing a FMEA it would have the same effect but different cause.
@@calvinthedestroyer actually it is a feature when you think of it: it's a damage free fail-safe which allow for the continuation of the feeding loop, at the expense of losing x marbles from it. I really would have put a tray and let it stay were it for me: fixing it would probably make it worse if something happened
My favorite part was the slow transition from the drumbeat to music. I can listen to it all day.
ikr! Would love to hear a full version
25:59
Wintergatan: I'm so happy this will be 100% success
That 6 marbles: Let us introduce ourselves
"I'm not here to make things easy for myself" is probably the best description for this channel I've ever heard lmao
Look at his spreadsheet use!
especially when you think that out of ballence does not mean i has to be straight on the otuside. the inner parts need to be balanced too. how true it spins has less to do with shaking than mass distribution, so yeah, he is making it harder on himself. But it's still fun to watch
Life isn't easy.
im beggining to believe hes losing sanity by the snare sound
Martin when you play 1 million marbles you should livestream it
We all wanna watch and be there for that success
Totally agree!!!
Wow, I never thought of this, sounds focking cool!
Make it the count down for a new year 2021?
On the other hand it might make an already-stressful test even more stressful. Just thinking Martin may not enjoy that so much.
@@clonkex Yeah that's true. But so far on this journey we have been with Martin throughout all his wins and fails. So it would be really good to be with him as he achieves one of the biggest milestones ever on the MMX
That AI voice describing progress and saying how clean the floor was felt so wholesome :')
I read this comment as the AI was speaking lol 😆
Gave me Portal vibes (which is a video game)
@@resonantwoods you really dont need to mention that that is a game lol
When wealth meets _genuine_ musical talent and enginee-uity. Brilliant.
I love how this channel began as a music channel with cool instruments, then turned to an engineering channel with a musical sidedish of music and is now slowly combining both
Swedish sidedish? LOL!
I came here for the mechanical solutions in the first place, so for me they channel has improved a lot :)
>keeps data in a spreadsheet
>calculates data by hand
Martin pls
*Matt Parker wants to know your location*
Lol I loved that... im like "you put the data in cells... just to use it as scratch paper??" Haha
This. So many do not understand the true power...of the spreadsheet.
I hovered round the unsubscribe button when I saw him bring up the calculator to do calculations for the spreadsheet!!! The data cells are just beside the percentage cell!!!
@@heitman78 I mean I'm not gonna pretend I'm anywhere near an excel expert, but this is simple formulas. Literally just type = in front of the formulas you already have and it'll do it for you, martin!
This vid really shows how much work went into this music machine. Its almost overwhelming to see all the little tweaks and adjustments needed to make this brilliant piece of art work. Its crazy.
This is an absolutely beautiful blend of music, engineering, and art! The average person has no idea how complex this machine is!
I'm glad to see Wilson taking a more active role in the build.
Even if that role is popping balls in his mouth for 4 hours?
@@henrysteinway_ Buddy, that's even worse!
He looks like he’s enjoying it
I swear his problem solving begins with, "how can I use an angle grinder for this?" I love it.
Some people are known as "hammer-mechanics", Martin is an "Angle-grinder-mechanic"!
@@thomasboese3793 I think thats more the machinists equivalent to hammer mechanics
@@litrick5471 I've known so-called-pros who grab a hammer and start hitting before thinking to fix any-and-every-thing...
Martin tends to grab the angle-grinder first and can almost fix anything with it.
This is evident through him having TWO downed angle grinders!!!!!
Maybe the angle grinder ISN'T the solution every time.
Who would dislike this? Dude puts so much energy into a machine that’s only purpose is to entertain us.
Some people only like machines whose purpose is to pass butter
Yeah, 1.3k dislikes is about 1.3 to many.
You are like the most inspirational engineer/musician. I love that you don't stop at easy, but you design for maximum functionality as well as aesthetic. As a wannabe musician/mathematician/computer scientist, I love watching your videos and they make me want to apply my knowledge the way you do.
Btw, if you had stickers in your merch store, I'd buy some.
Martin, the purpose of the squished cable in the angle grinder is strain relief. My guess is the issue was in the plug, but I recommend putting the strain relief back in because if you don't the cable might pull out of the internal switch, short, and in the worst case start a fire.
Omg imagine a fire destroying the mmx...
If it's to squished too hard and it gets too hot, the wires melt together and short. However, could also just be that this will happen with any grinder (or any machine) that gets used beyond its duty cycle and load.
@@cjansson It can't be "squished to hard". The inbuilt plastic crimp is sized to compress the insulation sufficiently to prevent cord pull out under normal wear and tear but not compromise the insulative properties of the jacketing.
If it shorts out, it will pop the breaker. Just one strand of copper is enough to start a low impedance arc which will trip the breaker in tenths of seconds. A short circuit does not cause fire, unless the electrical installation of the building is bad (or if you reclose a breaker with the fault still existing - that can pit contacts and eventually weld them together...)
Intermittently arcing contacts to the load can cause fires, but in this case you'd immediately notice if the grinder is not running smoothly and most of the times the plastics are flame retardent.
I agree there should be strain relief, otherwise it'll just work itself out of there quickly.
@@williamcchinworth7367 I'm pretty fucking sure the inbuilt plastic crimp was never "sized" for anything, it has just been thrown in there to "looks fine" standards. Which may easily include "it's not fine at all you idiot" situations.
this episode was so entertaining
Hi
It’s the UA-cam, omg.
Yeah, so what you wanna do here is a 360 reverse b-hop into the marble funnel and assert dominance over the machine.
are we gonna get a glitches and tricks with winter gatan's marble machine now
Do a 360 off these marbles here, try not to slip on them..
I love how mechanically inclined this guy is. The spray bottle cooling the flywheel was a good idea
You're trully a remarkable engineer and musician, me myself as an engineer find difficulties to comprehend your remarkable creation
I admire this man and his attitude so much. I hope he never forgets he’s doing so much more than building a machine, he’s motivating millions of people.
„Millions” is too exaggerated but he definitely inspired lot of people...
@@chillfill6512 I guessed I’m just going off the fact that he has millions of subscribers and assuming that they have all been motivated by him.
I certainly have been.
When the angle grinder failed I thought “what is he going to use next? The disk sander?” The next moment, I burst into laughter
I was the opposite! I thought, he won't burn that machine up, he'll just grind the wheel down to nothing!!!! I was actually frightened, then even more so when he says 3 days.....AHHHHHHH!!!! Then the magnets come out to balance things, oh thank goodness!!!
Yes😂🎉
*Spoiler alert*😢 😅
Some of the most beautiful and entertaining engineering I've seen!
This guy is the master of optimism. You can learn a lot from this guy. Wow
Martin: builds worlds most impressive mechanical musical instrument
Also Martin: uses a calculator instead of formulas to fill out his Excel spreadsheet
Martin I will gladly give you a 30 min tutorial on how to do this properly
This
I won't panic till he uses Word Perfect to do his taxes
Truer words have never been said
Lol right exel can calculate itself
Exactly what I thought when I saw it too!
10 year after: we have some temperature vibrations, so we freeze mmx to absolute zero) 1 fail of 10000000000 marbles, next vieo we stabilized gravitation and playing in vacuum
We also can’t observe it because of quantum uncertainty so maybe that one marble failed or maybe it didn’t. Next we'll test 10 billion marbles
@@fmga schrodinger's marble
Loving the electronic voice which comments on the clean floor! You're the KING, sir!
I was impressed when I thought the title was 3000 marbles. Imagine my surprise at the extra zero
I am genuinely concerned with such levels of precision being needed that this will not be repeatable when transported without significant setup time
You know, there is always some setup time before a show ... Installation, tuning, tests, and so on ... I'm sure that, with all the works done now, it will cut down on setup time and will be manageable in the end !
Also, having such a high reliability in perfect conditions gives some headroom for errors when the setup is suboptimal on tour. As many have pointed out it's not the end of the world if some marbles escapes during a concert. If 1/10'000 escapes in the studio it might be 10/10'000 on stage with limited setup time. But it makes sense to get it as good as possible now.
At least it could be perfect for studio recordings when je will have the time to adjust everything
Yeah, setting the machine up to be exactly the same each time might be quite the task. I can see different venues having different temperatures and humidity, the machine may also need to acclimatise. I don't know how this would affect the machine working but I'd probably want to do some long running tests in different environmental conditions.
@@isakefternamn it isn't the fact that the machine has high reliability in studio conditions that worries me...it is the fact that it needs high reliability to work properly. As we have seen already, minuscule deviations from "perfect" cause a cascade of issues. It is this very narrow "operational window" that gives me anxiety.
Martin: Uses google sheets to record test numbers like a reasonable human would
Also Martin: ALT TABS TO A CALCULATOR TO DO THE COMPUTATION AND FILLS THEM IN
Why are you doing this to us Martin? T_T
i think he enyojing it at this point :D
*command tab
I was talking to my wife about it right now, she said (both engineers): "Geniuses and their crazes "... HAHAHAHAAHA
Was looking for this comment. I cringed so hard... what is seen, cannot be unseen.
I got the same feeling. Ignoring the greatest power of sheets.
I love watching your process and progress. And the floor! What a clean floor!
This is the most complex and demanding DIY one man project I've ever seen online, your dedication is outstanding, people like you are just so precious for all human race, never stop sharing your genius!!!!
Can we stop for a moment to just appreciate how wicked cool that music is? I was listening to the snare drops trying to understand the rhythm of the two 16th note beats in succession and was delightfully surprised to see how it all worked in the song. Martin, you're a genius!
I concur!
martin: bad news and good news!
me: oh dear
martin: bad news is the flywheel is unbalanced
me: oh dear
martin: good news is *pulls out unholy angle grinder rig forsaken by god*
me: OH DEAR
OH DEER
OH REINDEER!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
This made my day. Thank You!
O.o
Well, I must say, you executed that with precision, and brilliance! In all my years I have yet to see someone as focused as you are my friend. The way you were approached with a challenge, and excepted it, with enthusiasm and vigor. Yes, you cleaned that floor perfectly! Oh, and that music thingy, that’s cool too!
"I'm absolutely floored by how clean that floor is" 🤣
"THIS IS THE BEST IDEA IVE EVER HAD" turning into "WHO COULDVE GUESSED THIS WOULD GO SO WRONG"
Is the relatable story of my life m8
💥💥IMPORTANT SNARE INFO💥💥(coming from concert band percussionist) - I’m not sure if you’re aware of this already but the snare is similar to the vibraphone in the sense that you almost NEVER hit a snare dead center as it gives you a much more dead/less crisp sound and is know as.....THE DEAD SPOT (optimal striking position is usually a few inches from the center). I would be extremely intrigued to see you do some basic tests regarding drop placement on the snare as I think this could greatly improve your sound quality in performances but especially recordings. I hate to be that guy but I feel that this is important since snare is in nearly everything. To anyone who reads, please like and reply to this so he can take this into consideration!! Much love Martin❤️
Been thinking the same thing for a while🙄
+1
I have absolutely no idea if what you're saying is true, but I guess it is, so I'm commenting this hoping that Martin will read this :)
Jibbert
@@CupcakePump I'm also a percussionist and can confirm it's definitely true. It's not as big a deal with a snare drum as it is with a tympani (those you _never_ hit 'em dead center because it won't resonate at all), but the sweet spot is almost always about halfway between the center and the rim. Compare that to mallet instruments where you DO want to strike near the center because that's how their resonance works.
What can you say about a guy creating a machine and his quest for perfecting movement... AMAZING!!! Unique way to show love for music.
You are using your brain and life in the exactly the way you where ment to. FREE. I love to hear you talk, the freedom in your voice is remarkable. We all have stressful lives your no exemption. But your contribution to our world will live on forever. You are so appreciated, it makes my heart joyfully for you. Be well and never stop
Martin: runs angle grinder for a whole day non stop and grinder quits
Also Martin: "Look how they squashed the cable. Now there's your problem!"
It was the other grinder, my blind guess.
Yeah I think he was repairing a different grinder. The other one he cooked with this episode’s shenanigans.
Haha, who put this goofy strain relief here?
Comment of the year!
You are showing the dirty little secret of engineers: Trial and error engineering. Thank you so much for sharing both your failures and successes.
The old adage "one physical test is worth a thousand expert opinions"
That is why physicists and mathematicians are not engineers
@@dbptwg I agree with your sentiment. We mostly see the successful final product, not the failures that formed the foundations of that success.
@@NotAGoodUsername360 I am curious to hear why?
@@Ryan6.022 In school, I caught flak because I always figured "Data is bullshit until you actually go do the test."
Talk about over-engineering and over-thinking. I love it. This is absolutely amazing.
I like marbles 🐢
In all seriousness, you my friend are one of the most talented individuals I have ever had the pleasure of seeing in my 35 years of life. Thanks for sharing your talents.
At some point, the marbles that miss are going to be caused by a slight breeze coming through the window, and Martin will engineer something to counteract it
Yes. It will be a mechanical fan attached to the planetary gearbox that produces a breeze in the opposite direction of the window.
Quite simple, actually. Just contain the MMX within a vacuum so there's no air to make a breeze! Thinking about it, that might also solve any humidity or temperature change problems. Huh
Connor McInerney there will be no sound in a vacuum tho, having the MMX in its own controlled micro climate might be the go though.
@@alvardo3000 That actually wouldn’t be a problem for most of the MMX’s instruments. The bass has pickups, so it doesn’t need air, and Martin mentioned someone’s suggestion to use magnets with the vibraphone bars which essentially gives them pickups as well. The kick uses a contact mic, so again, no air needed. The main issues would be the snare, hi-hat and cymbal, because those don’t use pickups or contact mics. You can still give them all contact mics, but they likely won’t sound the same or as good. So if you didn’t care about getting a perfect sound, a vacuum wouldn’t be an issue
But... making a vaccum that big is practically impossible, especially on the go in the world tour. He also would need to stand inside of thr vaccum to operate the machine, killing him due to lack of oxygen.
Six marbles failed, in a way that is completely harmless to the machine, and you know exactly why it happened. I see that as a total sucess.
Completely harmless? One day a marble will get stuck between moving mechanisms and jam up the machine. The only safety feature in this case is the fly wheel disengage mechanism which will probably put to much force on the jammed mechanism and locally destroy the machine. Failing marbles are always a risk for this machine as long as there are almost no safety features in place. Martin is going to find this out someday. So sadly enough failing marbles are not so harmless in my opinion :(
@@FrankyieFrank I think in actually practical usage he would be able to look for the errors and stop them before they happen. Well, that's what I think.
@@FrankyieFrank Yeah but the thing is that the cause of the fails is not a part that is going to snap of a desing flaw that needs some plastic surgery. It's just a interchangeable part (and too many marbles in my oppinion) that caused the overflow to, you know, overflow.
If one of those stray marbles would cause something to break would absolutely suck, but compared to the other things he had to do this far, I would't even call this a fix. Just a bit of fine tuning.
@@FrankyieFrank Sure, I agree that it could cause a jam somewhere else, and I also agree that the machine needs more failsafes.
But I still think the test was a roaring sucuess.
@@FrankyieFrank I think what was meant is that only six marbles failed due to the test setup: If all instruments are playing, the line of marbles will never back up far enough to flood the stair elevator.
This man can absolutely take a punch in life with a smile. Amazing engineering, I love it!
Don't know how this video popped up on my list, but I'm glad I watched it. Very engrossing about the flywheel, and how Martin tried to solve it. As a physicist, I appreciate that the centre of mass of the flywheel should be positioned at the centre of the axis of rotation, and making the wheel externally circular would probably not be the way to do it because the flywheel isn't homogenously uniform. Luckily he managed to add magnets to change the CM. Love his boyish enthusiasm for solving problems. Keep it up, Martin!
Well Lordy, we discovered something Martin doesn’t know about- how to balance a car tire!!!!!
Yes, I would have thought balancing the wheels to start with but less entertaining hah
Well ... now he knows 👍
Or how to make use of spreadhseet formulas.
@@Mikenperu how does one do that ?
"This is my new song, Angle Grinder"
*hellish screaming*
How about "Angel Grindr"? XD
Music is art, is math, is engineering, is art , is music...breath, relax, laugh, cry, shout, learn.
What a marvelous journey/exploration/experiment. It gives me hope for humanity that we can be this close to the Creator and kissed by humility enough to see difference. Shalom!
I appear to have wasted my life not doing this sort of thing all the time. Literally amazing.
Not sure if lighting or actual baggy eyes.
Martin, there is no marble machine without you. Take care of your body.
Yes, please take care of yourself! There is only one you! :-) Maybe not always aim for the stars is also important. :-)
no pain no gain
@@ColossalZonko That's a common but dumb phrase (for some situations).
It's easier to work more efficiently when you are comfortable.
Please sleep sir. Recharge.
@@dominic0305 I agree, was just goofing ofcourse. health comes first
Martin takes out the angle grinder to balance the Flywheel: Me (working for a reasonable time in a balancing company) - thats not how balancing works. I suggest using magnets.
2mins later: Martin uses magnets.
The funny part about this: It wasn't 2 minutes, but 3 days for Martin.
I was just thinking about the little clips they put on tire rims to balance new tires.
@@dmdeemer Same here. I just noticed my tires getting out of balance yesterday. Today I see this and I see the grinder and cringe. Then he fixes it proper and I sigh in relief.
Exactly. It didnt matter if the flywheel was true, it mattered that it was balanced. He was equating true with balanced. At the machine shop they true flywheels so the clutch mates, and then balance them so they rotate smooth and dont shudder.
@@MrAntimonty i
Dante can't imagine the depths of insanity you must have created for yourself creating this instrument/machine. I truly applaud your resilience, persistence and commitment, it's awe inspiring.
I can't wait to see this machine's beautiful song when the day comes!
Something that may help with those vibrations. To reduce "ressonance", try cutting a couple of holes at the top of the square tubing and filling the frame with sand. Sand will add mass to the supporting frame and absorb part of the vibrations. I recall ToT also did that on his CNC building series.
I'm pretty sure they do the same thing to rollercoaster tracks.
Just like Roller coasters! uh wait... MMX THE RIDE!!!!
@@timbo11 yes they do, according to the Rollercoaster God ua-cam.com/video/Qx4RnlsXAV0/v-deo.html
Btw filling the frame with sand seems to me a wonderful idea to absorb vibrations
@@timbo11 I was going to say the same thing
Martin, it's a good thing those marbles fell off at the end. A perfect test teaches you nothing. This test identified a failure mode.
Loved the video as ever!
I totally agree. This is a 30000-marbles worth failure, gotta enjoy !
I honestly can't believe that I had enough control to watch the entire video and not fast forward to the part where you started the test. So from what I'm gathering, you actually did get 30,000 marbles to play before the 6 hit the floor? That's pretty damn amazing.
A+ for effort on balancing the flywheel with the angle grinder. I actually liked the song "Angle Grinder". Maybe a future music machine could involve a.more industrial sound featuring tools and equipment
MMX: does a sub-millimeter wobble
Martin: break out angle grinder
Me: oh god oh no not again
Magnet: fixes wobble
Wheels on cars are similarly balanced if I'm not mistaken
@@riddixdan5572 yup, in Cars they use small lead weights to Balance the wheels. whenever you get a new tyre, the weights have to bei adjusted so the wheel is balanced
@@nilswegner2881 Came here to say the same thing.
Basically the same as car wheels.
Chances are that the magnets wouldn't have been nearly enough if he didn't remove all that unbalanced mass before putting them on.
@@qwasdninja this^
After seeing this I now envision the angle grinder being part of the world tour. It goes like this: music reaches a crescendo, Martin throws a lever up top, angle grinder sends sparks across the stage while a large LED display behind him flashes "Pain is temporary."
I love it
Glory is forever.
I've said this before, but he absolutely has to write a pair of songs for the MMX of which one is called "Pain is temporary" and the other one "Glory is forever"
@@IbakonFerba With build clips of the MMX playing on the screen behind. Massive effort to develop, install and perfect, only to be cut off for the next, better, version.
@@IbakonFerba The first song of the album: "Pain Is Temporary"
The last one: _"Glory Is Forever"_
Looks like a mechanically-operated time machine that runs on marbles!
Great simple music that can relax your mind...
im a mechanical engineer and i find this video mesmerizing, can remember why i got here, but i acctually stayed because i find it too interesting to watch, and i would love to work on something like this one day
Same here - MechE I love this stuff.
2120:
"So, according to my last countings, the perpetual motion engine will not withstand our infinity+1 marbles test and today we will fix it."
Let's appreciate for a moment the character it takes to publish days* of personal failure and a moment of success with that flywheel. He could have skipped that and we would not have known, but he shared it.
Viele denken dass deine bemuhungen ermutigend sind , Persistenz zahlt sich aus, um deine Fahiqkeiten. 🔐 Du wirst dein Hauptziel errichen!! 🔓🧐
how did you add that gear, lol
How can you add wilson?
So true, the way he makes fun of his own mistakes makes me truly believe he will pull this off in 2021! Well maybe I am at 55% :p
@@PeterEnis69 it's there for the person being a member of this channel.
You are not only a Genius but a ingenious entertainer!
It’s so inspiring to look at you troubleshoot your creation to perfection! Looking forward to hearing the final masterpiece!!!
Honestly, even though 6 marbles fell, it actually wasn't 6 failures. The reason being that it was loading multiple marbles and they all fell at the same time as part of the same overflow failure. So reliability is actually higher
There's also the fact that the failure happened obviously outside of normal operation ie. several hours of uninterupted use of a single instrament. If it were me, I would note it down as a possible point of failure while moving forward with the rest of the instuments. It's possible that using more gates at once would prevent this from happening again, or even just the breaks between songs. The cause of the failure may even just be that MMX had more marbles in circulation than it could handle when only playing the snare.
@@DeathOfLife3764 Exactly. Unless you plan on playing it for over four hours, there would be zero issues the way it is.
Using triplet notes will avoid this for the next test.
@@Sorestlor that is why he should do a calculation of minimum number of marbles needed for the machine to play smoothly. As well as calculate maximum number of marbles that the machine can support.
While the probability is low. This was just one of many future gates each with the same potential failure point. So the real failure probability is actually quite high, almost to the point of being certain over the course of an entire concert. In addition, the marble loss is a minor symptom compared to the potential failure of several instruments downstream of the blockage from receiving any marbles at all.
"I'm going to improvise some music to this."
*Proceeds to make a masterpiece of song*
I rewinded and listened to that part multiple times , especially when the guitar comes in at 23:48, beautiful, I needed that
@@Mythrael1 hell yeah
whats it called tho? did he ever upload it separately? i need this
It reminds me of space, aliens and advanced technology.
@@CYBORGV11 That's a question to Martin :) I think he just jam-improvised and picked what worked, sounded good and polished it
@@Nevict Or nostalgia inducing old russian/soviet movies, due to the xylophone
Excellent work Sir! Thank you so much for both such wonderful creations and for sharing the labor involved!
Your magnet solution for the flywheel is GENIUS! Well done!
We need a “Look At That CLEAN FLOOR” shirt.
Also, be wary, Martin. It feels, right now, like everything is perfect; but I think there’s a flaw in your logic. You’re testing for stability in an unfinished product. There’s going to be a lot more mass, and shifting of mass, one *all droppers are installed.* Testing for stability before you have initial stability measured is going to make you sad later on, when additional active and installed gates change the dynamic of the whole machine. I recommend focusing on that aspect before running any extreme amount of marbles; especially because it’ll make that test a lot faster and, most importantly: realistic.
I also worry about the world tour. A lot of stages will be portable stages, resting on soil or something. Won't there be lots of vibration in the stage floor with half a dozen people moving around, moving instruments around, etc.? How will he eliminate that?
@@thanbo He won't. The occams razor solution which is easier than everything in the video: Bigger marble catches
@@thanbo The vibration from the audience might be the one need to be careful about. For the vibration from the technician moving around on stage and other musician moving around on stage, there is a simple solution. As the MMX is centerpiece, using a dedicated stage for it is good enough. You know, just like DeadMau5 concert where just for him they made a dedicated stage. MMX don't need that large of dedicated stage, so I think its possible to make a "portable-ish" dedicated stage for it on world tour. For vibration from the audience, yeah it needs more expertise to deal with it.
To be fair though, I think that's one of the reasons he only considers it 0.15% complete. He still has a long way to go!
At least we're getting the angle grinder x flywheel video now, instead of near completion of the machine :P
"So how do you tune it?"
"It's... complicated"
takes 3 days to tune lol
oh ya know, 6 magnets
@@conradkai9705 It's actually the same concept behind car wheels. Basically none are perfect, which is why mechanics add balancing blocks on the inside or outside of the rims to stop them from shaking
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Angle grinders and sand paper 😂😂😂😂
It is so beautiful to see that science and mechanics can make this wonderful and enchanting to listen at
I really love when art and science join forces to make something amazing, and I don't know that there's a better example of it right now than the marble machine.
Hi Martin, some thoughts from me:
-I think the missing thunnel hit occurs when you have a fast double bounce on the snare, one marble is landing on the snare when the drum skin is moving up from the previous marble. It is like beein two people jumping on a trampoline, with a perfect pace you will get an extra high bounce caused by the other guy. You should therefor test the dropping with all different intervals you can set on the programming wheel. Maybe this phenomen is even worse on the vibrophone??
-A belt tensioner shouls always sit on the slack side of the belt, look at a mountain bike chain as a example. You will loose efficiency by having one on the active side and therefore add drag in your system. And if you weld it onto your frame, make sure the tensioner is ajustable with a sliding slot!! Another cool way to solve a tensioner is a "ring tensioner" google it, would look realy cool on your machine.
-I see a big risk with the gates. There is a long leverarm down to the gate from the actuator. Even if you make this gate work fine, you will have problem when you start install the other gates bechause you dont have the same height between the actuator and the gates. Therefore the leverarm will have different length and that will affect the traveling lenght of the gate opener, also affect the pull out force on the gate opener. To solve this you need to redesign the gate. Instead of having a lever arm you should having a vertical pull from the actuator and a link in the gate to pull it out. That would make equal force and traveling lenght independent of the height between the actuator and the gate.
Thanks for you amazing work so far an to share it to us!
/Johannes
I never heard about a ring tensionner, very smart idea, but it works with chain gears only I guess...
From Johannes to Johannes, so much this!
Especially the last point. My mechanical engineering heart hurts more and more because I feel like martin it slowly but surely digging a whole he can't get out of.
I sincierly hope he can fix the flaws and get over the whole reliability thing.
The "bouncing problem" you describe can maybe also be adressed by tuning the snare to a different note, so the vibrations of the drumskin have a lower probability of positively interfering with double marble drops
@@GoelWCS A flanged sheave would work too for a flat belt/timing belt, probably.
sherlock_norris I concur totally, as a drummer I know the different actions of bounce on different tensions on the drum head, my first thought on the last video was, the double bounce on the snare is causing the miss, this is the only variable change from the video where there was no misses
I feel like martin needs a crash course in statistics. Also, the simultaneous use of spreadsheets to display information, while using a pocket calculator to calculate things makes me crazy.
Spreadsheets are just boxes to put text and numbers in don't you know...
THIS. Someone teach the man how to calculate with copyable equations
But I like doing my math in paper
My head was exploding on why he didn't use excel to do the formulas. Martin if you're reading this and need help with Excel/Google Sheets, hit me up! I'll be glad to help out :)
Reminds me of my mom who does the exact same.
A spreadsheet is just a handy table to out numbers in, all calculations are done on her physical calculator. No adjustability whatsoever.
W I C K E D
I came here to see a clean floor, and was not disappointed.
I have to say that you are certainly an amazing musician and have seen you become a very very very good ‘unofficial official’ engineer. You will certainly be remembered in history. And we haven’t even seen the full potential of this amazing art machine instrument yet 🤩
Just remember this as well: theoretically some problems, especially those with the marble divider, should be less likely once you start using more channels!
Imho I would argue that this is actually good test case to refine for.
We wouldn't want a break/slow down in the song, or if we just shut off a ton of channels for a while, to become an issue. I'm still nervous when i look at the marble divider in terms of capacity. If you ask me, the marble divider should be able to hold *all* of the marbles that could be in the entire machine while running. MM1 had massive marble divider space.
@@sunray501 I mean, it took gradual build up over FOUR hours of constant playtime for the failure to occur, and that was in the edge case of only one channel being played. With more channels seeing use over, let's say, a 10 minute song (probably generous) I don't think it even counts as an issue.
May be an issue if too many marbles are in the machine. Take a few out so there's no chance of that backlog. Or maybe have a reservoir somewhere other than the top of the machine
an overflow condition must be accounted for. depending on the conditions it may actually be *more* likely to happen because of the total number of marbles in the machine; a high "marble flow rate" could cause a failure to cascade much more quickly and cause new/more problems
Everything about this. The design, trial, error, solutions. It's absolutely beautiful and I am so happy that you are able to share this with us. Thank you so much!
yes
Statisticians have a formal way of denoting reliability based on sample size. Seeing the flywheel become balanced is so beautiful.
would be cool to see this in some kind of laser light show with like, multi colored marbles
The tools in Wintergarten Wednesdays have more character development than most animes.
For your final test, you should play your song made by your first marble machine, to honor how you got to the day the machine is finished
That would be epic.
Subscribed because of your insane amount of perseverance
Delightful video! Awesome end result too, 30,000 marbles is astonishing progress! I am completely enamored with your fantastic musical marble machine.
Martin took 500 psychic damage from the sound of those 6 fallen marbles
It is StarMachine Saturday my dudes...
Indeed it is my fellow starmachine friend!
Yessss my second favourite song by him (first being either multiverse, moon and star, sommarfågel, or vastenburg)
What a wonderful day it is.
*sacrilegious screech*
Ayy found you again! Only a small window of time before you get buried by the bazillion other comments hahah!
You are the Nikola Tesla of music machines !! ⚡️💥