History Primer 196: Spencer 1886 Shotgun Documentary | C&Rsenal
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Othais and Mae delve into the story of this classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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Additional reading:
Gun Report
August 1869
The Spencer Shotgun - Martin J. Keane
The Gun Report
Feb, March, April 1978
Spencer Slide Action Weapons - James Bates
Spencer Repeating Firearms
Roy M. Marcot
The History of C.M. Spencer, Syl H. Roper, and Their Pump Shotgun Designs
Seth Newman
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Spencer lived till 1922!?! So as a boy he lived in a world of muzzleloading muskets and lived to see Browning's machine guns. Wow. From single shots to many, many shots.
Definitely the best timeline to be alive, born in a world of black powder, cap and ball muzzleloaders and flintlocks and leave it at smokeless, center fire metallic cartridges in fully automatic guns.
there are way more things that would actually impress spencer in 1922 and you chose browning hmg LOL like he could die in 1899 and still be aware of machine guns
My great grandma (on my father's side) lived long enough to ride in an ox wagon as a kid, and fly in a jet airliner as an old lady.
The 1850-1950 period was disruptive in ways that we're just not used to anymore. Not innovation or evolution, but invention and revolution.
@@sangomasmith Orville Wright lived long enough to see supersonic airplanes. If a 10 y/o kid had seen the first flight they'd have been only 66 when they watched Apollo 11 land on the Moon.
As a young officer Winston Churchill led lancers in a cavalry charge. They had lances, he was armed with a sword and pistol. When an old man, in his second term as Prime Minister in the early 1950s, he was armed with nuclear weapons.
Yeah, pretty incredible.
from the first train to the first airliners
I call all Hunt Showdown players to this masterpiece of a video 😍
Not playing the game, but - thanks to a certain museum employee from england - I am aware of it containing a number of interestng firearms of the mid-to-late 19th century period.
I'm still holding some hope of us getting an episode on the Vetterli before the sun starts to burn helium.
Bloke on the Range has done an extensive video on it, but I'd love to get Othias' and Mae's take on it.
Howdy partner
I can't believe the shotgun series is finally starting!
Insane to think it was in the making even before the pandemic hit.
sweet!
...sort of. It was intended to be an offshoot series, but there wasn't enough time. Now they're making the ones that can stand on their own as full episodes
series is dead...only certain one off episodes and the bigger ones will be done
Being 60 i wonder if i’ll still being around enjoying this channel when the Stengun shows up
You will my brother keep on trucking we made it to the 1911 video we can make it to that lovely piece of engineering
@@SasoriZert Thats reassuring 👏🏽
Hang in there buddy!
@@SasoriZert Tube
Wow! The Hunt Showdown (Spectre 1886) Says Hello!!
The slate is better
@@kingmichealthefirstofroman2278 If we talking only about slugs shots then maybe it's better but for just using regular ammo on the spectre spread cant be beat with the long barrel version
Bruno is a great name for the mysterious entity entrusted with production magic.
Had to snicker when Othais and Mae talked on the problem on how to capture the clay hits for the video. I remembered on the DVD of the 2003 film "Second Hand Lions" in the behind the scene extras they told of the problem in the scene where Micheal Caine and Robert Duvall was suppose to shoot corn cobs out of the sky. Well corn cobs don't break when hit with shotgun pellets, so they had to rig the corn cobs with explosives to blow up dramatically to save the scene.
The little factory where that Spencer was made still stands. Its in Windsor, Ct, currently in use as offices & storage for a local HVAC company.
I got invited to a black powder shoot. Hadn't done it before, but Othias showed how Ballistol can clean my shiny "Fairy Dust" revolvers, so I gave it a go and enjoyed. I'm still not a regular BP shooter, but I'm still using the Ballistol. Thanks Othias!
I liked the swinging clay shots. I think you guys did well.
I love how you guys make seemingly complicated but ultimately just unconventional mechanisms understandable.
Bruno's animation: The Complexity of Simplicity. Well done gang
I'm another one who found Ballistol through this channel, and have been using it for my muzzleloaders. It works wonderfully at keeping out rust, and doesn't seem to gum up like some other commercial gun oils.
It‘s also fantastic at neutralizing corrosive salts
You must be reading my mind. A week ago or so i became interested in Spencer's work and found a wonderful 3-part article, and now THIS? you are spoiling me.
Cowboy/Civilain guns are always my favorite episodes, this is like seeing the light of heaven
Damn
Awesome! I just inherited a Marlin Model No 30- G. Neither I nor anyone else knows a thing about them, so these episodes will be a personal help even beyond the usual entertainment!
This is a wonderfully strange looking shotgun. Impressive how early it is and yet has so many of the modern features we expect from pumpguns.
YES, finally a comprehensive documentary about a firearm much anticipated. Thank you C&Rsenal, you are the best
Man, I love the Spencer. I've been after a Bannerman-Spencer for years now
I would agree you are the foremost expert on revolvers based on your detailed and extensive revolver series’. Now for that inevitable book? It would be fantastic to have a contemporary book explaining revolvers with nice colour plates and updated development information.
Perhaps with Headstamp Publishing????
I can't wait for the model 12 Primer. I own one from 1924 and I would love to see more history on it.
Ballistol is my go-to cleaner lube for all my guns both smokeless and Black Powder. Great stuff. Been using it for years, trouble free.
What amazes me about this is how well the devs of Hunt animated the weird action of this. Love the video and looking forward to more.
It's interesting that most, if not all, early machine guns were readied by cycling the action twice.
I was thinking the same thing.
Really loved the clays in the shooting segment!
Finally, the shotgun series starts! I thought it would not happen. Playeur membership still well worth it of course.
I started seeing a bunch of short about the Spencer shotgun a few days ago, and suddenly, C&Rsenal video.
I Iove the dynamic view from behind showing the swing and clay bust. I would suggest adding that to the slow-motion replay at the end.
YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE FOR YEARS!!!!
Thanks
What a beautiful specimen.
The weapon or Mae?
Isnt he though!
Holy cow this man live a long life.
The hammer spur/trigger setup reminds me of the M1 Garand safety. I wonder if Garand was inspired by this.
The shotgun series! The shotgun series! At long last the shotgun series! Hoorah!
Great work guys!
the benefit of taking vacation. I can watch earlier than usual
You guys rock - love the show! Ballistol is best!
Beautiful work as always!
Thank you kindly.
So glad to finally see the start of the shotgun series, been looking forward to this a long time. Excellent work as always y'all, keep it up!
Chicopee Falls, MA! That's where my father was born and raised. Right next to Springfield.
My father's cousin had a knitting machine company, making small machines useful for individual use. It is still run, as far as I can tell, by his sons. When that market for those machines crashed, they went into contract machining using their CNC machines and were quite successful. Actually, after the Soviet Union broke apart, they found a market for their knitting machines in Russia. It's crazy how these patterns repeat themselves.
Shotgun seriesssssssssss!
I think the whole magazine cutoff idea is basically top off loading between shots. If you fire a shot, open the action, and at the same time insert a new round into the tube, that will be the next round to enter the chamber once you close the action, giving you the ability to leave any subsequent rounds in the tube in there until you stop adding an extra round each time.
Had a chance to to get one of these for $400 bucks. I regret skipping out on that deal every day.
Roper built his first steam velocipede (motorcycle) as early as 1868-69. The guy was amazing!
In 1860, Spencer fabricated a steam powered automobile, which he drove solo from Manchester to Hartford, Ct.
Once source says that Spencer used rejected rifle barrels for boiler tubes.
I didn't know about the softening leather capabilities of balistol. Definitely going to try it out.
When I saw the title card, words cannot describe how excited I got
We need a replica of THIS.
The shooting segment may not be perfect but for sporting shotguns I think it works pretty well.
Ballistol is awesome!
Thanks!
Imagine being Spencer, seeing Browning surpass your design, then just go for a semi-auto, then see machine guns and WWI. Firearms advanced so far in his lifetime, in large part thanks to him.
Outstanding! Beautiful piece, well presented!
Great episode, and great shooting Mae
Ah yes! The shotgun from Bioshock!
Oh boy oh boy, it's the shot-shell diSpencer!
Just in time for my newfound shotgun interest!
The filming of the shotgun firing as well as the view of the clays was very good in my mind! Personally I think I’d be happy if you stuck with the same format.
I would really enjoy an episode in civil war era rifles even if they can’t always be shot, I know you’ve done black powder pistols, shotguns and rifles both old world and new world and I can’t wait to see what’s next. Maybe a Spencer carbine
I love that shotgun. I remember seeing one when I was a kid. A lack of appreciation for those old guns at that time, cause me great regret.
Thanks to those that do. 👍
Can’t wait for the next episode!
I have spent hundreds on ballistol
Directly because of c@rsenal
It really is the best gun oil I've encountered
Woooh, clays! I like that new camera angles
Please tell me Kevin was off-screen in the shooting segment, operating a selection of terrifying hand traps!
This has been a long time coming, excited for the future of C&Rsenal!
Have you looked at firebird clays? Could make things more exciting and the hits more obvious especially for those of us viewing on a smaller screen or without the best eyesight.
I haven't been here in awhile. You guys are sponsored by Ballistol now? That's awesome
They have been for a while now.
My brother has a Spencer. I haven't shot it (and I don't know whether he has). It is a gorgeous gun.
Really enjoyed this episode
i've never tried ballistol, might need to give that a shot
Can’t sleep? C and R has you covered.
Loved it!
Walking into the hardware store in 1886 and seeing this, I know I would want it. Hunting ducks at that time was a business around here and I could make a few bucks. As a market hunter, I would ask for it in 10ga.
I always wonder what happened to Snipes!?? Thanks for the information!!!
I have used Binsal!!! But not on a gun. I was doing some work on my bike. Helped out a lot. Told dad about this don't know if he's using it though???
Tbh the coolest pump ever i love it
On shooting camera angles, about the only thing I'd change is pulling the over-the-shoulder camera back a bit further to get more of the field, and Mae, in the shot, although appreciate this would make it harder to see the clays. Great work folks!
Ach so! Das ist Ballistol 'Wunderöl' ja?!
Early gang all here?
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A little late
that's a pretty slick shotgun
Specter, my beloved.
That is a sweet lock action … next rocketry.
the double pump for the first round with a 'carrier' position for the round reminds me of the Mk15 belt fed Grenade launcher that still uses a similar method
I think that peening you saw on the chamber that was preventing the barrel from unscrewing was actually from the firing pin. Once fired the firing pin can get stuck out and impact exactly those points. On some worn out examples the hammer can dig into the beach block slightly causing the firing pin to not fully retract.
Excellent, a shot gun was the most utilitarian long arm in the age of black powder.
Speaking of the lack of safety features, one could theoretically load a shell onto the carrier, five into the tube, and then keep the pump to the rear until ready for use (with little concern of any shells falling out).
I liked the way you showed the clay shooting but I would also like to see shots on paper to see patterning.
If you look at pictures of Devil Anse Hatfield, there are a few of him holding a Spencer Shotgun.
We see it time and again with these brilliant engineers and inventors. Their first love is clearly guns ! They design, build and sell a gun. They go broke. They move on to design build or sell something entirely unrelated to guns. They find success ! But the pull of their first love of guns brings them back to designing yet another shooter. That finds success and then they go broke again or get restless and yet again build sewing machines or bikes or whatever…. And then you guessed it, are pulled back into gun design one more time. These guys are all like everyone that watches this channel. They are gun nerds.
Long been my favorite. Thanks for making the this !
I worked with Spencer's descendant, big family resemblance. Didn't realize he invented so many other things.
Othias since you're moving beyond world war one can you please cover the American krag carbines? We just got one from 1902 and I'd really appreciate you covering it :)
I’ve pushed him on this a bit, but actual good in-depth sources on the minor changes during production are elusive
@@TenaciousTrilobite That makes sense, thanks for asking him though, I hope he gets the necessary sources because its a fun little gun and I'd love to learn it's history. Also side note I love your content too trilobite didn't expect to see you down here lol
Spencer Walks in to a pawnshop with his Shotgun
Walks out with a Winchester 97
Yea that true too he lived long enough to see them
It's a bit more janky compared to modern pump actions, but it is quite simple and easy to use still.
A good informative episode.
Yay! Shotguns!
I just realized how young and nice Othias' hands look. Another undocumented benefit of Ballistol?
Alright, the start of the shotgun series
We're used to guns that do this more efficiently because of centuries of refinement, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the action isn't inspired by farm or early industrial machinery. As an example, the action almost "ghost loads" itself as part of its function because it has 3 positions of swing in the breech block instead of activating the shell latch during extraction, ejection, and loading with all linear motion. Reminds me of a pull-push machinegun in some ways.
No lightbox music?
Very interesting!
I already made the only possible improvement. A pulled pork sandwich with some Carolina mustard sauce to watch a new episode
Been thinking really hard about the "single loading" feature, maybe he meant what we would call top off loading, basically keeping the mag full all the time?