The main Midway runways are a bit shorter than the average jet strip, but they're not at the limits of airliner capabilities. Note that in this video, the Airbus A320 turned off almost 2000 feet before the runway's end. US airports with shorter main runways include Orange County, New Haven, Detroit City, and Key West. There have been over 2 million landings at Midway without an overshoot since the 2005 accident.
Respectfully disagree with your assessment. Talk about Pollyanna-like naivete. The USS Midway's runways are inferior in length to most major USA urban airports where the customary main runway length is 7000-9000 feet to accommodate full size passenger jets, but 10000 feet and considerably longer if they serve jumbo or international jet traffic with heavy fuel and passenger/cargo loads. Midway's runways are a little over a mile long (6500 feet). Most secondary urban airports that service smaller corporate jet traffic exclusively like to have runways longer than that.....see West Chicago's DuPage Airport for reference. There is an open debate about the adequacy of Wheeling, IL's Chicago Executive Airport main runway......because of its 5,000 foot main runway. Chicago Executive's main runway shortness forces many corporate jets to take off with inadequate fuel reserves for long haul routes and fly to an intermediary airport to fill-up. Midway's runway length isn't the only hazard. The FAA/DOT requires a buffer area at the end of regulated airport runways as a safety margin for over-runs/under-shooting approaches, or accidents like the incident 15 years ago. Midway gets an exemption because it has inadequate overrun land at the end of its runways. Midway relies on arrestor pads, or a sand/collapsible stone pit at runway ends that are engineered to slow and stop the plane if it overshoots the runway. Real-life experience hasn't even proven the efficacy of such claims. After these pads, the aircraft will contact the fencing/walls the city erected to insulate neighboring residents from noise/scary sights when a Southwest 737 Max is braking a few hundred feet away from foot and street traffic. Midway sits in a heavily congested, densely populated part of the inner city on the southwest side. A United airliner went down flying into Midway many years ago, but it is rarely even mentioned. Adverse weather conditions make Midway operations especially hazardous.....as flight minimum altitudes can be very close to buildings, signage, power lines and other land hazards contiguous to the airfield. If a jet airliner has a light passenger load, modest fuel onboard, and optimum weather conditions, and the pilot is able to put the plane down on the numbers or shortly after the runway's targeted landing zone, the pilot may be able to exit the runway midfield, but we watch the live Midway Internet camera feed quite a bit, and have routinely seen most Southwest pilots use all available runway on both takeoffs and especially landings, when a 737 is often seen hard-breaking and exiting the runway at runway end. Sure, Southwest pilots make a living out of flying into tough airports all over the USA, many in the middle of large cities. They are good. But, that doesn't mean old Midway Airport offers an easy-peasy, no-sweat touchdown or V1-Rotate experience, sir. I speak with personal fly-in and fly-out experience at Midway and after having discussed same with active pilots familiar with the nav-aids and specifications at Midway, and its locale. I don't care whether there have been 10 god-zillion landings at Midway since 2005 without a major incident. It doesn't change the existing dynamics that should restrict or force a Mayor Daley like forced closing of a city airport when they don't want it to operate (Can you say Meigs Field?). The Midway runways are not a "bit" or smidge shorter than the average jet strip.....they are decisively shorter....and the airports your posting cites may have short runways, but it doesn't make them any safer or desirable to fly into or out of if you are on a commercial or corporate jet. Chicago-Executive has had a number of aviation tragedies over the years where aircraft have either had runway excursions or planes descending into residential buildings and parking lots after failures on takeoff. There are no little, blue pills to consume to overcome inadequate runway length, unfortunately. Southwest pilots understand that....... Chicago and Illinois politics get in the way of truth in aviation and aviation safety.....when it comes to Chicago airports.
@@johnmaer Whew! Well, you're entitled to your judgement of the various factors. A few points in response: There have been more than 20 successful Engineered Materials Arresting System (EMAS) engagements at various airports where they have been installed. There have been none unsuccessful. So they would seem to be effective. The sound walls at Midway, as well as the light poles, radio arrays and blast fences, are all built on frangible couplings. This is to prevent catastrophic aircraft collision damage with those objects, while providing relatively safe further deceleration. Well more than 90% of airline landings at MDW turn off the runway 1000 ft or more from the end. Believe me, I know. Those that do go full length should not be assumed to have just barely made it. Much like when rolling up to a red traffic light, the pilot has discretion on how much braking to use; also sometimes the tower directs aircraft to the last turnoff because of traffic conflict or convenience to parking destination.
@@SDK-im8sl We stand by our earlier observations. Were Midway to be built again and adjacent land ownership were not a restricting factor, we believe the FAA would require runway length of at least 7500-9000 feet with adequate overrun areas......even if operations were confined to Boeng 737 or the Airbus 320 family of aircraft.
To be fair Detroit city shouldn’t be compared to midway. It’s a very quiet airport which hosts flight tours and the odd corporate jet. Kinda great how I get cleared to land immediately upon establishing radio contact as I’m one of three planes that actually land in the span of an hour there. For that reason and its proximity to my home airport CYQG in Canada it’s a wonderfully convenient port of entry and springboard for getting across the border and flying in the states
@@ryanhanley540 In the US, airports, their locations, designs, taxpayer costs, and redundancy (many larger US cities, like Chicago, have two or three accessible airports with commercial airline service). Because of the news media bias toward one political party, the Midway safety hazard is not covered.....but rebuilt terminals, new parking garages, and extensions of public transit lines are...LOL. It's fun to watch Boeing 737 Max jets taxi from one's living room window, but Midway neighbor residency is a bit like living a few blocks from the Three Mile Island energy plant.....it could be a ticking timebomb that government not only tolerates, but sanctions and promotes....lol.
Midway is bounded by Cicero Avenue on the East and Central Avenue on the west, one mile apart; 55th Street on the north and 63rd Street on the south, one mile apart........that's it. There was an incident some years ago when a jet could not stop in time, went through the retaining wall that surrounds the field , and hit a car on the street, killing a child. The street lights surrounding the field had to be made especially low as regular height lights had too many tire marks on them. When I was a lawyer for the City Of Chicago, I had to defend a few silly cases involving claims that the low streetlights were hazardous.
It was December 2005 if memory serves me correctly. The child was six years old and it was heartbreaking to learn of what occurred and how.. I recall seeing news video of the plane on Cicero Ave, it was a surreal image.
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Very cool landing!
Like Landing on the Aircraft Carrier CV-41 USS Midway. LOL (smile) Welcome to Chicago, IL. (southside)
WOW! That was fun! GREAT landing!
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The main Midway runways are a bit shorter than the average jet strip, but they're not at the limits of airliner capabilities. Note that in this video, the Airbus A320 turned off almost 2000 feet before the runway's end. US airports with shorter main runways include Orange County, New Haven, Detroit City, and Key West. There have been over 2 million landings at Midway without an overshoot since the 2005 accident.
Respectfully disagree with your assessment. Talk about Pollyanna-like naivete. The USS Midway's runways are inferior in length to most major USA urban airports where the customary main runway length is 7000-9000 feet to accommodate full size passenger jets, but 10000 feet and considerably longer if they serve jumbo or international jet traffic with heavy fuel and passenger/cargo loads. Midway's runways are a little over a mile long (6500 feet). Most secondary urban airports that service smaller corporate jet traffic exclusively like to have runways longer than that.....see West Chicago's DuPage Airport for reference. There is an open debate about the adequacy of Wheeling, IL's Chicago Executive Airport main runway......because of its 5,000 foot main runway. Chicago Executive's main runway shortness forces many corporate jets to take off with inadequate fuel reserves for long haul routes and fly to an intermediary airport to fill-up. Midway's runway length isn't the only hazard. The FAA/DOT requires a buffer area at the end of regulated airport runways as a safety margin for over-runs/under-shooting approaches, or accidents like the incident 15 years ago. Midway gets an exemption because it has inadequate overrun land at the end of its runways. Midway relies on arrestor pads, or a sand/collapsible stone pit at runway ends that are engineered to slow and stop the plane if it overshoots the runway. Real-life experience hasn't even proven the efficacy of such claims. After these pads, the aircraft will contact the fencing/walls the city erected to insulate neighboring residents from noise/scary sights when a Southwest 737 Max is braking a few hundred feet away from foot and street traffic. Midway sits in a heavily congested, densely populated part of the inner city on the southwest side. A United airliner went down flying into Midway many years ago, but it is rarely even mentioned. Adverse weather conditions make Midway operations especially hazardous.....as flight minimum altitudes can be very close to buildings, signage, power lines and other land hazards contiguous to the airfield. If a jet airliner has a light passenger load, modest fuel onboard, and optimum weather conditions, and the pilot is able to put the plane down on the numbers or shortly after the runway's targeted landing zone, the pilot may be able to exit the runway midfield, but we watch the live Midway Internet camera feed quite a bit, and have routinely seen most Southwest pilots use all available runway on both takeoffs and especially landings, when a 737 is often seen hard-breaking and exiting the runway at runway end. Sure, Southwest pilots make a living out of flying into tough airports all over the USA, many in the middle of large cities. They are good. But, that doesn't mean old Midway Airport offers an easy-peasy, no-sweat touchdown or V1-Rotate experience, sir. I speak with personal fly-in and fly-out experience at Midway and after having discussed same with active pilots familiar with the nav-aids and specifications at Midway, and its locale. I don't care whether there have been 10 god-zillion landings at Midway since 2005 without a major incident. It doesn't change the existing dynamics that should restrict or force a Mayor Daley like forced closing of a city airport when they don't want it to operate (Can you say Meigs Field?). The Midway runways are not a "bit" or smidge shorter than the average jet strip.....they are decisively shorter....and the airports your posting cites may have short runways, but it doesn't make them any safer or desirable to fly into or out of if you are on a commercial or corporate jet. Chicago-Executive has had a number of aviation tragedies over the years where aircraft have either had runway excursions or planes descending into residential buildings and parking lots after failures on takeoff. There are no little, blue pills to consume to overcome inadequate runway length, unfortunately. Southwest pilots understand that....... Chicago and Illinois politics get in the way of truth in aviation and aviation safety.....when it comes to Chicago airports.
@@johnmaer Whew! Well, you're entitled to your judgement of the various factors.
A few points in response:
There have been more than 20 successful Engineered Materials Arresting System (EMAS) engagements at various airports where they have been installed. There have been none unsuccessful. So they would seem to be effective.
The sound walls at Midway, as well as the light poles, radio arrays and blast fences, are all built on frangible couplings. This is to prevent catastrophic aircraft collision damage with those objects, while providing relatively safe further deceleration.
Well more than 90% of airline landings at MDW turn off the runway 1000 ft or more from the end. Believe me, I know. Those that do go full length should not be assumed to have just barely made it. Much like when rolling up to a red traffic light, the pilot has discretion on how much braking to use; also sometimes the tower directs aircraft to the last turnoff because of traffic conflict or convenience to parking destination.
@@SDK-im8sl We stand by our earlier observations. Were Midway to be built again and adjacent land ownership were not a restricting factor, we believe the FAA would require runway length of at least 7500-9000 feet with adequate overrun areas......even if operations were confined to Boeng 737 or the Airbus 320 family of aircraft.
To be fair Detroit city shouldn’t be compared to midway. It’s a very quiet airport which hosts flight tours and the odd corporate jet. Kinda great how I get cleared to land immediately upon establishing radio contact as I’m one of three planes that actually land in the span of an hour there. For that reason and its proximity to my home airport CYQG in Canada it’s a wonderfully convenient port of entry and springboard for getting across the border and flying in the states
@@ryanhanley540 In the US, airports, their locations, designs, taxpayer costs, and redundancy (many larger US cities, like Chicago, have two or three accessible airports with commercial airline service). Because of the news media bias toward one political party, the Midway safety hazard is not covered.....but rebuilt terminals, new parking garages, and extensions of public transit lines are...LOL. It's fun to watch Boeing 737 Max jets taxi from one's living room window, but Midway neighbor residency is a bit like living a few blocks from the Three Mile Island energy plant.....it could be a ticking timebomb that government not only tolerates, but sanctions and promotes....lol.
Sweet!
What’s the airline
Volaris I think?
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What’s so “short” about the runway ?
Compare it with runways in airports like LAX, ORD, JFK, etc., and you'll see the diference.
Midway is bounded by Cicero Avenue on the East and Central Avenue on the west, one mile apart; 55th Street on the north and 63rd Street on the south, one mile apart........that's it. There was an incident some years ago when a jet could not stop in time, went through the retaining wall that surrounds the field , and hit a car on the street, killing a child. The street lights surrounding the field had to be made especially low as regular height lights had too many tire marks on them. When I was a lawyer for the City Of Chicago, I had to defend a few silly cases involving claims that the low streetlights were hazardous.
It was December 2005 if memory serves me correctly. The child was six years old and it was heartbreaking to learn of what occurred and how.. I recall seeing news video of the plane on Cicero Ave, it was a surreal image.
4L is shorter.
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DID THEY ALL DIEDED?!
Nope, everybody walked down the plane unharmed and happily
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