Saw-wise, I’ve got to give the award to the Surge. That T-shank holder is just brilliant. It’s awesome to be able to use any aftermarket saw AND to be able to replace the blade if it gets worn out. Some aftermarket blades are too long, but you can always cut them or break them to the desired length. Not to mention that the T-shank file that comes with the Surge includes a diamond-coated file.
I have the Spirit X, the Surge, and the Wave. The Sprit X feels like a fine instrument they are reliable and there in case you need them. The wave and the Surge are not as elegant, or as refined, but they feel like the could take punishment all day.
After watching I think I have to agree. However, after going from the Wave to the Swiss Tool Spirit, I don’t think that I will go back to the Wave. I find the quality of the Victorinox to edge it out in other areas. But as I watched, I focused on the sawdust coming out of each, which is an indication of the effectiveness of the tooth design in clearing wood chips and the Leatherman seems to me to clear chips better. But it’s really a minuscule difference. The teeth on the Leatherman are raked back towards the handle, while the Victorinox are not. I would think that a raked back tooth design would be a ‘pull saw’, meaning that you apply more force in the pull stroke. The Victorinox would be a ‘push-pull’ tooth set. Look at the angles on both saw teeth to see what I mean. Japanese Silky saws are also pull saws. In the case of the Silky, you need to be careful about how you apply force, because if you apply force on the push, you can jam the blade and possibly break it. In the case of the Leatherman, it’s short and stout enough to mitigate that possibility. But if you concentrated the power of the stroke on the pull, it would probably cut even better and last longer before it needs to be resharpened, if that’s even possible. In the real world, most of us are not going to rely on such a saw if we had a lot of wood to cut. It’s just really meant to be used in a pinch. That being said, both are perfectly fine. I prefer the form factor in the hand of the Swiss Tool Spirit. I have every model of both companies too, haha
That's a hot topic! I also tend to lean more towards LM saw, but because at this scale pull saw is much more comfortable to work with. Push&pull saw is unbeatable (in terms of outdoor use) if you have a longer blade and bigger handle with good grip. Like in 130mm models of SAK.
Can see the teeth on the Leatherman are slanted back a little, whereas the Victorinox are straight. The Leatherman has a bit more face on the side of the blade as well. I'm guessing the teeth slant is the main reason why the Leatherman comes out ahead.
By my reckoning, watching the time elapsed counter, the results of the first run were: Spirit X 20 sec., Wave 25 sec., Spirit 21 sec. Super Tool 15 sec. I was surprised that the two Vics were about the same. Clearly, the results were different in the second trial, but in both, the Super Tool triumphed.
There is another video similar to this , but the guy included the Surge and the OHT. That video the guy prefers the Victorinox, but the results were the same. Though the OHT saw really under performed, and the Surge was did OK but not great. But the Surge did have one of the shorter blades, but he said he liked because of the T-shank
It was a little slower on the Wave because I made the mistake of doing them back to back without resting for a minute. Chalk that one up to user fatigue. The Wave was definitely smoother. I think all of these models have great saws though. If I didn't have them side by side, it would be really difficult to tell which was better in comparably sized models.
While I have personally found the difference between Leatherman and Victorinox saws to be negligible, the Leathermans all lock. Having said that, the saw on the Victorinox Rangergrip 58 is the biggest that I have seen on a multi-tool. My solution? I buy both!
I've managed to cut lock metal links with victorinox saw (more than one time too), its no joke. Have not tried leatherman for that but I'm also afraid of trying.lol
@@txtoolcrib It was last resort, I had no other tool for that as I was accidentally locked out of my own house at ungodly time and one time had a kitten stuck in our rented commercial property shutter door during lock downs. Takes some time but it does the job haha
I have had a victorinox sprit for 15 hard hard years, I recently retired it for a free p4. I've made several mods. still am not loving it. I tried the wav a few times couldn't fall in love.
The thing about the Free P4 that really deters me from buying one, is that they got rid of the bit exchanger for a bunch of flathead drivers. I have the Surge, and it to me beats the Free P4 and its cheaper too
@@absolutez3r019 yeah. I bought the mod for the butnexchanger. But every one of its other tool features are thinner and softer metal. This tool looks years older in only a year then my victorinox
I could never get behind the FREE tools. They really went subpar on the tools for me, that combined with the fact that magnetic architecture is a no go in my field of work.
@@txtoolcrib yes. I’m disappointed. For the day to day guys. I’m sure they are ok. A few of my friends got them and love them. But I use them heavier. I never likes the wave/surge. I kept pinching my hands in them.
@@txtoolcrib I make my walking sticks from either dead fall or hanging dead branches. I rough cut them with a Leatherman because I always have one with me. I’ve used saw in the original Super Tool several times, and I’ve used the one in my Charge TTi a couple of times, too. They’ve worked great.
I hated my crappy Surge but the woodsaw was better then one on SwissTool. Everything else was alot worse. Screwdrivers chiped, serrated blade dulled after i cuted one medium plastic ziptie. Scissors got vertical play on joint.
Saw-wise, I’ve got to give the award to the Surge. That T-shank holder is just brilliant. It’s awesome to be able to use any aftermarket saw AND to be able to replace the blade if it gets worn out. Some aftermarket blades are too long, but you can always cut them or break them to the desired length. Not to mention that the T-shank file that comes with the Surge includes a diamond-coated file.
Nice to see you upload more regularly after a long time without videos . keep up the good work :)
Well, I have a lot of work coming up after Thanksgiving. I’ll try to keep my uploads as consistent as possible.
@@txtoolcrib Sounds Great ! ! !
I have the Spirit X, the Surge, and the Wave. The Sprit X feels like a fine instrument they are reliable and there in case you need them. The wave and the Surge are not as elegant, or as refined, but they feel like the could take punishment all day.
Pretty good analogy.
After watching I think I have to agree. However, after going from the Wave to the Swiss Tool Spirit, I don’t think that I will go back to the Wave. I find the quality of the Victorinox to edge it out in other areas. But as I watched, I focused on the sawdust coming out of each, which is an indication of the effectiveness of the tooth design in clearing wood chips and the Leatherman seems to me to clear chips better. But it’s really a minuscule difference. The teeth on the Leatherman are raked back towards the handle, while the Victorinox are not. I would think that a raked back tooth design would be a ‘pull saw’, meaning that you apply more force in the pull stroke. The Victorinox would be a ‘push-pull’ tooth set. Look at the angles on both saw teeth to see what I mean. Japanese Silky saws are also pull saws. In the case of the Silky, you need to be careful about how you apply force, because if you apply force on the push, you can jam the blade and possibly break it. In the case of the Leatherman, it’s short and stout enough to mitigate that possibility. But if you concentrated the power of the stroke on the pull, it would probably cut even better and last longer before it needs to be resharpened, if that’s even possible. In the real world, most of us are not going to rely on such a saw if we had a lot of wood to cut. It’s just really meant to be used in a pinch. That being said, both are perfectly fine. I prefer the form factor in the hand of the Swiss Tool Spirit. I have every model of both companies too, haha
I agree completely. Both companies make high quality tools.
That's a hot topic! I also tend to lean more towards LM saw, but because at this scale pull saw is much more comfortable to work with. Push&pull saw is unbeatable (in terms of outdoor use) if you have a longer blade and bigger handle with good grip. Like in 130mm models of SAK.
I own any of the 130mm models, might have to pick one or two up.
Would be interesting to see a SAK comparison , as something like the Outrider has even longer saw length. Great vids. Thanks
Noted!
I love the saw on my supertool. I used it a few weeks ago to cut some cpvc 3/4" while changing my hot water heater. Great video 👍
The SuperTool saw is pretty awesome I have to admit.
Can see the teeth on the Leatherman are slanted back a little, whereas the Victorinox are straight. The Leatherman has a bit more face on the side of the blade as well. I'm guessing the teeth slant is the main reason why the Leatherman comes out ahead.
Leatherman Super Tool 300 all the way along with the Core & Super Tool & Super Tool 200 they all have been MY work horses .
SuperTool 300 has some nice functionality for sure.
Do you any tips with the mini bit ratchets to keep them from slipping. I tend to tilt mine and make it slip when I’m not choking up on it.
The Surge is a beast.
By my reckoning, watching the time elapsed counter, the results of the first run were: Spirit X 20 sec., Wave 25 sec., Spirit 21 sec. Super Tool 15 sec. I was surprised that the two Vics were about the same. Clearly, the results were different in the second trial, but in both, the Super Tool triumphed.
There is another video similar to this , but the guy included the Surge and the OHT. That video the guy prefers the Victorinox, but the results were the same. Though the OHT saw really under performed, and the Surge was did OK but not great. But the Surge did have one of the shorter blades, but he said he liked because of the T-shank
It was a little slower on the Wave because I made the mistake of doing them back to back without resting for a minute. Chalk that one up to user fatigue. The Wave was definitely smoother. I think all of these models have great saws though. If I didn't have them side by side, it would be really difficult to tell which was better in comparably sized models.
Thanks for the comparison, these tools are great 👍
You bet!
While I have personally found the difference between Leatherman and Victorinox saws to be negligible, the Leathermans all lock. Having said that, the saw on the Victorinox Rangergrip 58 is the biggest that I have seen on a multi-tool. My solution? I buy both!
Lol. Good solution.
New Swiss tool spirit coming out with flip blade mxbs😉
@@B_L_Smith Soldiers in an Asian country have access to it now ...maybe next week victorinox will put it up for sale
I have one coming in black oxide.
I've managed to cut lock metal links with victorinox saw (more than one time too), its no joke. Have not tried leatherman for that but I'm also afraid of trying.lol
I don’t think it ever occurred to me to try that. Well done sir.
@@txtoolcrib It was last resort, I had no other tool for that as I was accidentally locked out of my own house at ungodly time and one time had a kitten stuck in our rented commercial property shutter door during lock downs. Takes some time but it does the job haha
Thank you for the great videos
Thank you for taking the time to watch.
I have had a victorinox sprit for 15 hard hard years, I recently retired it for a free p4. I've made several mods. still am not loving it. I tried the wav a few times couldn't fall in love.
The thing about the Free P4 that really deters me from buying one, is that they got rid of the bit exchanger for a bunch of flathead drivers. I have the Surge, and it to me beats the Free P4 and its cheaper too
@@absolutez3r019 yeah. I bought the mod for the butnexchanger. But every one of its other tool features are thinner and softer metal. This tool looks years older in only a year then my victorinox
I could never get behind the FREE tools. They really went subpar on the tools for me, that combined with the fact that magnetic architecture is a no go in my field of work.
@@txtoolcrib yes. I’m disappointed. For the day to day guys. I’m sure they are ok. A few of my friends got them and love them. But I use them heavier. I never likes the wave/surge. I kept pinching my hands in them.
@@ericwatson3396 spirit X is a fine option. For me the Surge has been a day save at my work. But the spirit X is still on my to buy list
Wow, a busy day for you Ben. :D
And a lot more stuff to get to.
Apparently I have a troll that makes it a point to consistently thumbs down my videos. Wonder who that could be.
@@txtoolcrib Hmm. Could be a Gerber lover. :p
No, I didn’t. The Leatherman saw just cuts smoother. Biased or not, I wouldn’t lie.
Why do you seem to be so anti-American. After all, do you realize how many times the US has saved France?
Sorry I’m late! I do Tae Kwon Do and I’m a black belt so I need to teach younger kids and it sucks so I was gone for 3 hrs...
Cool.
Can’t beat Leatherman saws.
I think they make the best in the multi tool world for sure.
@@txtoolcrib I make my walking sticks from either dead fall or hanging dead branches. I rough cut them with a Leatherman because I always have one with me. I’ve used saw in the original Super Tool several times, and I’ve used the one in my Charge TTi a couple of times, too. They’ve worked great.
Its a push and pull saw in swis but its only pull saw in leatherman so if a person has practise to use the swiss then swiss would be better
It's a push and pull saw in the Leatherman as well.
@@txtoolcrib then why are the teerh backwards. and who is the winnes swiss ir leatherman
Leatherman is, though it is very close.
@@txtoolcrib oh i thought it was swiss beacuse i own a swiss spirit xc
@@txtoolcrib im 14 and dont have a much use of that still in free time cut thode stuff
I hated my crappy Surge but the woodsaw was better then one on SwissTool. Everything else was alot worse. Screwdrivers chiped, serrated blade dulled after i cuted one medium plastic ziptie. Scissors got vertical play on joint.
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Thank you.