A nice, basic, practical and simple EV... this is what we need more of. I love the simple tactile buttons... why is this an EV anomaly, when it should be the norm? I wish they would make it available to the public, the word over. This is a car for "the people".
Nice to see the taxi trade being focused on. As a taxi driver in Manchester, England I appreciate it. FYI a taxi does over 25k miles per year at an average speed of 17mph and 99% of journeys are single passengers. I drive between 80 and 130 miles on an average shift. I've done 55k miles in my Ioniq electric and it's a perfect vehicle for the job. I'm driving a 2018 version (2016 design) so it's not particularly cutting edge but it shows that we're way past the threshold of practicality. On the downside I've contacted the council several times to help promote electric taxis but have yet to have a single reply to my emails. In 2022 it seems dealing with inner city pollution from diesel engines is still only a lip service for our politicians!
This is the sort of machine i have wanted to see for a long time and would love to have. Simple, cheap, focussed on comfort and practicality. Not bling and feature bloat and statistics and 'luxury' I feel like most of Elliots criticisms seemed rather elitist and misplaced. There is no need or want for 'premium materials'. I really hope he isnt falling for the 'vegan leather' is sustainable myth - its generally just plastic. LESS materials is the best way to sustainability.
Yeah, I'm with you on the 'vegan' leather thing. Particularly when the objection to real leather is often prevention of cruelty to animals as this doesn't account for differing standards of animal husbandry across the world. Also it's rather daft to be super keen to put the O&G industries out of business whilst completely overlooking the fact that all vehicles, regardless of propulsion type, are full of items whose feedstocks originate from within the O&G industries, right on down to the coatings on wiring.
@@pinkelephants1421 oil and gas companies will do just fine if the world turn completely off oil tomorrow and Gas the day after. The problem we have with them greenwashing and spinning the facts all the time. Shell are spending something like 4 billion on going green. Good yes? But then they forget to mention they are spending 19 billion of finding new gas and oil fields!
Add a privacy wall between the driver and passengers for safety for US cities(haha) and a touch more sound isolation and this is a perfectly sized taxi for the complete Americas (North/central/south).
I quite like that the combination of the design and size of rear door, absence of tunnel through the middle of the car and generous leg room in the rear give all passengers the ability to ingress / egress the vehicle from the pavement (safe) side of the vehicle.
An eMPV - brilliant! This version as the taxi, a slightly different spec as a family vehicle (may cost a bit more). I'd keep the hard-wearing materials, delete the SOS buttons, add 40:20:40 split 2nd row and a 3rd row that can stow folded flat in the cargo floor, then make sure it has the fastest recharge the underlying tech can manage. That's a properly useful car. When the Ampera was released I remember asking Opel when the Zafira derivative was going to arrive (T-shaped battery prevented it). We're finally seeing some manufacturers thinking of family-sized 7-seat vehicles that aren't chonking great SUVs. And to be able to choose is a good thing.
5:28 I get that tech is mostly marketing these days, but : LCD is the layer that lets the light through from the colour behind it. LED is one of the type of light sources behind the colour filter (whether directly behind it or with a light guide from the edge). Before LED, the light source was a fluorescent "lamp", like the tube lights. Now I doubt that they would use a fluorescent backlight, as LED is cheaper these days. I suppose the LED-backlit LCD is just a mediocre quality in this case? 🤔
Can you please ask the car manufacturers to make a wheelchair acceptable EV taxi? All the Hackney taxis in my town have to be WAV and we also are going to need to run WAV vehicles as Private Hire also. No one is currently making an affordable BEV WAV taxi. There are some hybrid WAV vehicles but they are not good enough and very expensive.
@@AsphaltAntelope i think the only ones i know of are the "london" taxis, which are now ev with range extending diesels . in places like Barcelona I think they mandate that every 10th taxi or something is a larger vehicle.. based on something like a kangoo. London's also pretty decent for accessible buses and tubes (considering how old the infrastructure is) but obviously could be better. Whether it's better to have every vehicle the size and layout of a london cab (they are twice the cost of this car) or to somehow mandate coverage of a smaller number of better accessible vehicles (call it a blue badge uber where blue badge holders get priority pick-ups etc) who knows. will likely depend on the city etc. Cities could certainly incentivise it by making the licence fees cheaper if it's wheelchair accessible. or similar.
@@mralistair737 was your mouth out with bleach! Uber?? Satans own taxi firm lol. Uber as a company are as truthful and law abiding as Boris Johnson.. who they fund! So get an UBER support Boris or not perhaps?
I actually quite like the styling, especially the front. This really is what the world needs more of. Not a "rolling computer" with electric/automatic everything. Just get in and drive like a normal car, except cheaper and even easier to drive and maintain. Performance and range could use a bump up for everyday, everyman usage, but it's not a deal killer as is.
A really practical and sensible design. I remember when the very basic Ford Cortina was released into the U.K. in the 1960s, it took the country by storm and changed our views on practical no frills cars forever. I think the Chinese have it right on this one. (I wonder how that price will compare to the new electric London Taxis ?? 🤔)
Funny, every time a really practical car is launched, it is based on the ideas behind the Renault Espace and Scenic. If only Renault realised this themselves... Where is the EV MP, Renault? This is also what most people who insist to have any SUV should have bought instead. No nonsens, just a ton of space. Love it. No big wheels stealing space and no long bonnet for no reason.
I really don't get SUVs, I've had a Honda jazz kind of mini MPV and my friend has a ford galaxy and for a car of its size, as in fairly large, but probably the same or smaller than a big sub, it has an enormous amount of interior space, 7 seats or a huge boot and 3 proper chairs in the middle row. The Citroen Berlingo and sister cars and the old env200 are the only empvs around now I think but new they are £30kish, still very expensive but I suppose the market is starting to bring them out probably more coming.
@@timscott3027 - I love all the cars you mention! Have a Renault Scenic and Renault Modus - excellent use of space and perfect views in all directions, thanks to big windows - no need for back-up cameras! THe only thing I would change is to make them EV-converted.... Otherwise it will be a ZOE next time.
Looks like a good taxi car and the price is good too. Like the rear doors also. Doesn't need a big range and if it had induction charging it could do it while standing in a rank.
Reminds me of a Renault from a while back. Can't remember the name. Also like the fiat multipla. Keep up the good work. I love to see what is in China and possibly on the way to Europe.
I Like the sliding doors-great for frequent stopping and getting people in and out. I wonder if it can be made with electronic steering that makes the switch from LHD to RHD much easier? Also as a Taxi I wonder why they bother with the front seat at all?
in case you need to take 4 passengers, i often sit inthe front seat of a minicab-uber-type taxi. they will presumably make RHD versions if they want to get into japan/ uk / aus. electronic steering is mostly illegal in case it fails.
Looks good especially the front, reference cheap plastics it’s a taxi and has to be easy to clean etc , aswell as a taxi would make a good city suv etc
Thanks for the show Elliot (my favorite reporter ) I think I want to move to China after I watch your show. Not Shanghai I'm not a city guy. Oh well thanks again for the report
It seems to me that once Chinese cars make their way into the UK legacy auto makers will be very worried not least because they will all be playing catch-up. This puts me in mind of the impact Japanese cars had on our old outdated auto industry. I hope I will be around long enough to see if my "fears" are correct.
Apparently I missed a ton of content from y'all. Didn't realize you were posting non podcast stuff on this channel. (I'm subscribed via rss for the podcast so I didn't have alerts on for FCplus on UA-cam...)
This could be a contender for the taxi market, not sure from the video if it had sliding doors on both sides? Being able to move the front seat forward that much helps people with poor mobility. Now if you can get a wheelchair in there that would be nice. The boot looked pretty big, he did say the back seats can lay down, but can they move back and forward? Did it have electric windows and was the ac available to the rear passengers? More questions than answers from this video.
The materials might feel cheap but that doesn't matter, are they hard wearing and long lasting more importantly. What about the side doors are they electric or manual? If cities are serious about cleaning up their taxi fleets this is the type of affordable and practical vehicle that they desperately need. The MG 5 is the next best thing at the moment and I'm seeing more of those on a daily basis in London
Does it have sliding doors both sides? If not they need to do that. It looks like a very good replacement for the first generation Leaf and Prius cabs in my part of SW London. If the driver position is comfortable and ergonomic for a long day, then the rest is irrelevant. You only need to compete with the cheap end of the market of ICE cars. The maximum time most passengers will spend is measured in10s of minutes, and they will almost certainly not notice.
Robert tripping over his own two feet in the Fully Charged Live advert 🤭. Been there, done that myself; it's most disconcerting & you just hope nobody was watching. 😅 Have to disagree with Elliott about the plastic. Anything less for a vehicle that's meant to have high 90-95% usage compared to the standard domestic usage of 5-10% would be silly as it just wouldn't stand up to the same levels of wear & tear & probably soon begin to look decidedly tatty. But for a car meant for the taxi industry, many a family would appreciate it for their daily driver; basic & straightforward, sticky fingers & muddy feet wipe clean proof - what's not to love about that? 😅
Who looks at the back of the taxi when drunk and wants a life home? It will do nicely. The cheap interior should be good to for when it needs deep cleaning (frequently) or replacing.
I've gotta say, the Chinese car designs are certainly improving massively with every generation, they went from being wierd & offensive to just simple ok looking cars. But omg, why are they so obsessed with small wheels on their cars, they ruin so many designs with undersized wheels. I can only assume it's because they are cheap & it lets them stinge out on sorting out the suspension properly. Wonder where they will be in another 5 years 🤔
The Chinese are listening what most of want is s cheap practical ev with range, ditch all the extras . If you want a business European car makers hurry up and produce these models
I hope they decide to re-style it before it gets an international release, it looks like the front was modelled on Thanos's face. My main concern with this car is the range. With taxi drivers going about for 8+ hours per day I would target a range of 300 - 400 miles per charge.
More crucially, can it pair with my medical status slash social credit chip implant, so the government and my direct employer don't lose track of me between home/work and destination? If the cabby drives too fast, does it cost me social credit?
Elliott is a lovely man… what a horrible idea of mass transportation.. dull, lifeless, boring vehicles and they don’t even make a noise! So sad for the future of transportation, nothing to look forward to.
A nice, basic, practical and simple EV... this is what we need more of. I love the simple tactile buttons... why is this an EV anomaly, when it should be the norm? I wish they would make it available to the public, the word over. This is a car for "the people".
The side silhouette to the rear looks like a refreshed Renault Avantime 🔥👌✨
Nice to see the taxi trade being focused on. As a taxi driver in Manchester, England I appreciate it.
FYI a taxi does over 25k miles per year at an average speed of 17mph and 99% of journeys are single passengers. I drive between 80 and 130 miles on an average shift.
I've done 55k miles in my Ioniq electric and it's a perfect vehicle for the job.
I'm driving a 2018 version (2016 design) so it's not particularly cutting edge but it shows that we're way past the threshold of practicality.
On the downside I've contacted the council several times to help promote electric taxis but have yet to have a single reply to my emails.
In 2022 it seems dealing with inner city pollution from diesel engines is still only a lip service for our politicians!
Thanks a lot for the info!
This is the sort of machine i have wanted to see for a long time and would love to have. Simple, cheap, focussed on comfort and practicality. Not bling and feature bloat and statistics and 'luxury'
I feel like most of Elliots criticisms seemed rather elitist and misplaced. There is no need or want for 'premium materials'. I really hope he isnt falling for the 'vegan leather' is sustainable myth - its generally just plastic. LESS materials is the best way to sustainability.
Yeah, I'm with you on the 'vegan' leather thing. Particularly when the objection to real leather is often prevention of cruelty to animals as this doesn't account for differing standards of animal husbandry across the world. Also it's rather daft to be super keen to put the O&G industries out of business whilst completely overlooking the fact that all vehicles, regardless of propulsion type, are full of items whose feedstocks originate from within the O&G industries, right on down to the coatings on wiring.
as long as it has a tight turning circle and you can hose out the sick from a Friday night.. perfect for UK cities
@@pinkelephants1421 oil and gas companies will do just fine if the world turn completely off oil tomorrow and Gas the day after. The problem we have with them greenwashing and spinning the facts all the time. Shell are spending something like 4 billion on going green. Good yes? But then they forget to mention they are spending 19 billion of finding new gas and oil fields!
Don’t suppose the U.K. motor sector will want to sell EVs at £20k, but it’s what we need for average drivers
@@thumper1747 I think you may end up being pleasantly surprised once the Chinese made EV's enter the UK en masse.
Add a privacy wall between the driver and passengers for safety for US cities(haha) and a touch more sound isolation and this is a perfectly sized taxi for the complete Americas (North/central/south).
I quite like that the combination of the design and size of rear door, absence of tunnel through the middle of the car and generous leg room in the rear give all passengers the ability to ingress / egress the vehicle from the pavement (safe) side of the vehicle.
An eMPV - brilliant! This version as the taxi, a slightly different spec as a family vehicle (may cost a bit more).
I'd keep the hard-wearing materials, delete the SOS buttons, add 40:20:40 split 2nd row and a 3rd row that can stow folded flat in the cargo floor, then make sure it has the fastest recharge the underlying tech can manage.
That's a properly useful car.
When the Ampera was released I remember asking Opel when the Zafira derivative was going to arrive (T-shaped battery prevented it). We're finally seeing some manufacturers thinking of family-sized 7-seat vehicles that aren't chonking great SUVs. And to be able to choose is a good thing.
the retail version I saw today covers up the SOS buttons 👍
5:28 I get that tech is mostly marketing these days, but : LCD is the layer that lets the light through from the colour behind it. LED is one of the type of light sources behind the colour filter (whether directly behind it or with a light guide from the edge). Before LED, the light source was a fluorescent "lamp", like the tube lights.
Now I doubt that they would use a fluorescent backlight, as LED is cheaper these days. I suppose the LED-backlit LCD is just a mediocre quality in this case? 🤔
Can you please ask the car manufacturers to make a wheelchair acceptable EV taxi? All the Hackney taxis in my town have to be WAV and we also are going to need to run WAV vehicles as Private Hire also.
No one is currently making an affordable BEV WAV taxi. There are some hybrid WAV vehicles but they are not good enough and very expensive.
Came to make the same comment. I can't believe any city/country still allows dedicated taxi vehicles that don't have wheelchair accessibility.
@@AsphaltAntelope i think the only ones i know of are the "london" taxis, which are now ev with range extending diesels . in places like Barcelona I think they mandate that every 10th taxi or something is a larger vehicle.. based on something like a kangoo. London's also pretty decent for accessible buses and tubes (considering how old the infrastructure is) but obviously could be better. Whether it's better to have every vehicle the size and layout of a london cab (they are twice the cost of this car) or to somehow mandate coverage of a smaller number of better accessible vehicles (call it a blue badge uber where blue badge holders get priority pick-ups etc) who knows. will likely depend on the city etc. Cities could certainly incentivise it by making the licence fees cheaper if it's wheelchair accessible. or similar.
@@mralistair737 was your mouth out with bleach! Uber?? Satans own taxi firm lol. Uber as a company are as truthful and law abiding as Boris Johnson.. who they fund! So get an UBER support Boris or not perhaps?
@@williamarmstrong7199 i meant it as a metaphor for "people who will come to pick me up when i click an button" choose your own company who does this.
Brilliant vehicle, designed, built and specified for exactly what it is intended for
Why didn't you talk about the asymmetrical rear doors? I wanted to know what's the design intent and logic for that, seems interesting
i'm guessing it's because they expect people to get in from the kerb-side. and the other door is to save cost / complexity
I actually quite like the styling, especially the front.
This really is what the world needs more of. Not a "rolling computer" with electric/automatic everything. Just get in and drive like a normal car, except cheaper and even easier to drive and maintain. Performance and range could use a bump up for everyday, everyman usage, but it's not a deal killer as is.
A really practical and sensible design. I remember when the very basic Ford Cortina was released into the U.K. in the 1960s, it took the country by storm and changed our views on practical no frills cars forever. I think the Chinese have it right on this one. (I wonder how that price will compare to the new electric London Taxis ?? 🤔)
Funny, every time a really practical car is launched, it is based on the ideas behind the Renault Espace and Scenic. If only Renault realised this themselves... Where is the EV MP, Renault? This is also what most people who insist to have any SUV should have bought instead. No nonsens, just a ton of space. Love it. No big wheels stealing space and no long bonnet for no reason.
I really don't get SUVs, I've had a Honda jazz kind of mini MPV and my friend has a ford galaxy and for a car of its size, as in fairly large, but probably the same or smaller than a big sub, it has an enormous amount of interior space, 7 seats or a huge boot and 3 proper chairs in the middle row. The Citroen Berlingo and sister cars and the old env200 are the only empvs around now I think but new they are £30kish, still very expensive but I suppose the market is starting to bring them out probably more coming.
@@timscott3027 - I love all the cars you mention! Have a Renault Scenic and Renault Modus - excellent use of space and perfect views in all directions, thanks to big windows - no need for back-up cameras! THe only thing I would change is to make them EV-converted.... Otherwise it will be a ZOE next time.
Looks like a good taxi car and the price is good too. Like the rear doors also. Doesn't need a big range and if it had induction charging it could do it while standing in a rank.
Plain and simple is good, and large rump, too! A pleasing product, without fuss.
I see a future as a small camper van.
Better than carwow reviews.
Reminds me of a Renault from a while back. Can't remember the name. Also like the fiat multipla.
Keep up the good work. I love to see what is in China and possibly on the way to Europe.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
I Like the sliding doors-great for frequent stopping and getting people in and out. I wonder if it can be made with electronic steering that makes the switch from LHD to RHD much easier? Also as a Taxi I wonder why they bother with the front seat at all?
in case you need to take 4 passengers, i often sit inthe front seat of a minicab-uber-type taxi. they will presumably make RHD versions if they want to get into japan/ uk / aus. electronic steering is mostly illegal in case it fails.
Thank you for this informative information 😃
Looks good especially the front, reference cheap plastics it’s a taxi and has to be easy to clean etc , aswell as a taxi would make a good city suv etc
Thanks for the show Elliot (my favorite reporter ) I think I want to move to China after I watch your show. Not Shanghai I'm not a city guy. Oh well thanks again for the report
He mentions a 7 SEAT version of the NAT E05 ... does anyone know the model number / name? website? release date? thx (can't find info in it anywhere)
It seems to me that once Chinese cars make their way into the UK legacy auto makers will be very worried not least because they will all be playing catch-up. This puts me in mind of the impact Japanese cars had on our old outdated auto industry. I hope I will be around long enough to see if my "fears" are correct.
9:52 just like the Toyota bB openedeck
Thanks a lot!
Apparently I missed a ton of content from y'all. Didn't realize you were posting non podcast stuff on this channel. (I'm subscribed via rss for the podcast so I didn't have alerts on for FCplus on UA-cam...)
I like the fact it comes with tinted windows, so many Chinese Evs exported to other countries don't.
great video thanks!
I like the concept of it but if its meant to be practical why has it got a huge curve in the tailgate instead of a flat door
I wish these cars were in America. 23k for a van is such a steal
looks good but not sure it should have fluid leaking out of it 2:21
That'll be condensation from the air conditioning system.
Hi, today is Jan 11 2023 is this car can be sold in Canada?
No audio on Robert at the end?
Looks like a decent workhorse 🐎⚡🐎
Compared to rag-bag of stinky old Astra Estates, etc that we have for taxis locally this looks like a dream.
Nice
This could be a contender for the taxi market, not sure from the video if it had sliding doors on both sides? Being able to move the front seat forward that much helps people with poor mobility. Now if you can get a wheelchair in there that would be nice. The boot looked pretty big, he did say the back seats can lay down, but can they move back and forward? Did it have electric windows and was the ac available to the rear passengers? More questions than answers from this video.
What's it's coefficient of drag? 6?
another practical winner
9:54 fold-down passenger seat work area - like Vibe/Matrix.
should collab with nio for a battery swap version
I'd like one of these for the family car :-) replace my aging smelly MPV.
The materials might feel cheap but that doesn't matter, are they hard wearing and long lasting more importantly. What about the side doors are they electric or manual? If cities are serious about cleaning up their taxi fleets this is the type of affordable and practical vehicle that they desperately need. The MG 5 is the next best thing at the moment and I'm seeing more of those on a daily basis in London
Does it have sliding doors both sides? If not they need to do that. It looks like a very good replacement for the first generation Leaf and Prius cabs in my part of SW London. If the driver position is comfortable and ergonomic for a long day, then the rest is irrelevant. You only need to compete with the cheap end of the market of ICE cars. The maximum time most passengers will spend is measured in10s of minutes, and they will almost certainly not notice.
Robert tripping over his own two feet in the Fully Charged Live advert 🤭. Been there, done that myself; it's most disconcerting & you just hope nobody was watching. 😅
Have to disagree with Elliott about the plastic. Anything less for a vehicle that's meant to have high 90-95% usage compared to the standard domestic usage of 5-10% would be silly as it just wouldn't stand up to the same levels of wear & tear & probably soon begin to look decidedly tatty.
But for a car meant for the taxi industry, many a family would appreciate it for their daily driver; basic & straightforward, sticky fingers & muddy feet wipe clean proof - what's not to love about that? 😅
Touch of the Avantime in the derriere. Rather like it...
looks like it could be made wheelchair accessible without much issue.
Saw one of these in our city last week. Hard to describe how ugly the back end looks in person. But maybe it’s a bit of a marmite thing. 🤷♂️
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Who looks at the back of the taxi when drunk and wants a life home? It will do nicely. The cheap interior should be good to for when it needs deep cleaning (frequently) or replacing.
@@williamarmstrong7199 - good point. Ready to hose down is a plus! Drains in the floor too… 🤦♂️😂
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这台车居然在这里能看到，这么神奇？
I've gotta say, the Chinese car designs are certainly improving massively with every generation, they went from being wierd & offensive to just simple ok looking cars. But omg, why are they so obsessed with small wheels on their cars, they ruin so many designs with undersized wheels. I can only assume it's because they are cheap & it lets them stinge out on sorting out the suspension properly.
Wonder where they will be in another 5 years 🤔
The Chinese are listening what most of want is s cheap practical ev with range, ditch all the extras . If you want a business European car makers hurry up and produce these models
prius? this easily beats a Camry which is used as taxis in wealthy countries.
I hope they decide to re-style it before it gets an international release, it looks like the front was modelled on Thanos's face. My main concern with this car is the range. With taxi drivers going about for 8+ hours per day I would target a range of 300 - 400 miles per charge.
Is it just me or does it look like a poor copy of a Renault Avantime?
5:03 yeah, those cameras definitely don’t look scary! As a privileged white person, I’ll spend more money on the Tesla.
I love the Chinese communist party! Thanks Fully charged!
More crucially, can it pair with my medical status slash social credit chip implant, so the government and my direct employer don't lose track of me between home/work and destination? If the cabby drives too fast, does it cost me social credit?
Do you have 5G? Dont think so . Docent work with older 4g
You might want to look at your own dystopian police surveillance state before poking at others.
@@mycosys Awww dishing it out but can't take it, ❄️ snowflake. Don't worry you seem to be catching up. See you soon mate
Elliott is a lovely man… what a horrible idea of mass transportation.. dull, lifeless, boring vehicles and they don’t even make a noise! So sad for the future of transportation, nothing to look forward to.
Annoyingly stupid excuse for music so, thumbs down,
its so hard to take any of this ccp stuff seriously.....get them in EU and US and then well see.