This is so helpful. I'm starting my doctorate and was yet to find any such description of how to put forth a "good" argument, and this comes with a decent example. This is very much appreciated...THANKS!
Thank as an Eng 102 university student I read our textbooks but could not grasp the concepts but the video tutorial really helped me comprehend the Toulmin model a bit more.
+vltra01 Thanks so much vltra01! Happy to hear that this video was helpful. I had no idea so many other students would watch this video, so thanks for sharing.
I hope you accept this as friendly criticism, for that is its intent. "Warrant" isn't defined correctly here. Warrant is all about making the (often implied) link, logically, between the claim and the evidence. So, for example, if the claim is "Joe should go to prison" and the evidence is "Dave's dead body, and a bloody dagger in Joe's car", then the warrant is the law (murder is a felony.) We often don't say the warrant, because we all know murder is a felony. Ethos and pathos are not the same concept as "warrant," and are not examples of warrants at all, really. Don't conflate Greek rhetorical theory with what Toulmin was doing. I mean, I can understand that you're trying to make a reference to something your students already have encountered, but in truth ethos and pathos have nothing to do with Toulmin's model. Another way to put this is: Toulmin's model only exists as logos. Arguments are based on reasoning, and logos refers to appeals to reason. Ethos, for example, is all about the speaker (source): good sense, good will, and good character. There is nothing in the Toulmin model about that. Likewise, emotional appeals really have no "place" in the Toulmin model properly used. Ethos and pathos are rhetorical appeals, to be sure, but the Toulmin model is not intended to deal with appeals that are not based on "reasoning" or arguments.
whoaa this should be taught as required general education class for all college students, not just for english majors or so. Might solve alot of the uber polarized stance in social issues if people actually dissected their reasoning and think about the possible rebuttals.
I thought with this model you are supposed to get all the information from what is provide. For the image your grounds were taken from information that was not depicted in the cartoon. I thought warrants were the only things that were inferred. Are you supposed to do that?
+Bolashade Hanson Hi, Bolashade! That's interesting. I am not aware that the Toulmin Model of Argumentation precludes viewers/readers from researching beyond what is presented in an argument.
Ok, but I feel you didn't analyze an argument in the cartoon. You thought up of what argument would support the assertion supposedly represented by the cartoon. A better exercise would have been to examine some article, excerpt of a speech or other text that contains an argument and then identify the parts of the Toulmin model within the text.
Hi, Ivan! I made this video seven years ago for my community college students. Feel free to create the 'better exercise' re: analyzing an article or speech excerpt, too. For this video's aim, I wanted something short and sweet, and a political cartoon fit that bill for my teaching purposes.
This is so helpful. I'm starting my doctorate and was yet to find any such description of how to put forth a "good" argument, and this comes with a decent example. This is very much appreciated...THANKS!
Thank as an Eng 102 university student I read our textbooks but could not grasp the concepts but the video tutorial really helped me comprehend the Toulmin model a bit more.
+optinitsu Glad to hear that, optinitsu!
This video makes it easier to understand "Toulmin's method".
+vltra01 Thanks so much vltra01! Happy to hear that this video was helpful. I had no idea so many other students would watch this video, so thanks for sharing.
I hope you accept this as friendly criticism, for that is its intent.
"Warrant" isn't defined correctly here. Warrant is all about making the (often implied) link, logically, between the claim and the evidence. So, for example, if the claim is "Joe should go to prison" and the evidence is "Dave's dead body, and a bloody dagger in Joe's car", then the warrant is the law (murder is a felony.) We often don't say the warrant, because we all know murder is a felony.
Ethos and pathos are not the same concept as "warrant," and are not examples of warrants at all, really. Don't conflate Greek rhetorical theory with what Toulmin was doing.
I mean, I can understand that you're trying to make a reference to something your students already have encountered, but in truth ethos and pathos have nothing to do with Toulmin's model.
Another way to put this is: Toulmin's model only exists as logos. Arguments are based on reasoning, and logos refers to appeals to reason.
Ethos, for example, is all about the speaker (source): good sense, good will, and good character. There is nothing in the Toulmin model about that. Likewise, emotional appeals really have no "place" in the Toulmin model properly used.
Ethos and pathos are rhetorical appeals, to be sure, but the Toulmin model is not intended to deal with appeals that are not based on "reasoning" or arguments.
TheOrcasRule I truly appreciate your clarification! Thank you very much.
Thank you for a great video! I used it for my seniors and my freshmen college class.
Thank you very much (from Brasil) for this excellent explanation.
Thank you, professor Michaella, you help me a lot. =)
Found this video, really appreciated it. What books/resources can I use to learn a bit more?
whoaa this should be taught as required general education class for all college students, not just for english majors or so. Might solve alot of the uber polarized stance in social issues if people actually dissected their reasoning and think about the possible rebuttals.
got an 86 % on my position essay using "Toulmin's method" on an article about treating gun violence like a disease.
Thank you for your amazing explanation and examples!!!
I thought with this model you are supposed to get all the information from what is provide. For the image your grounds were taken from information that was not depicted in the cartoon. I thought warrants were the only things that were inferred. Are you supposed to do that?
+Bolashade Hanson Hi, Bolashade! That's interesting. I am not aware that the Toulmin Model of Argumentation precludes viewers/readers from researching beyond what is presented in an argument.
could you explain more about "grounds based on 3 things (evidence, source credibility, analysis and reasoning)", please.
very helpful....thanks!
It is very helpful for me. Thank you.
Extremely helpful!
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Thank you!
You could have just removed the picture later on, so we could have seen all the 6 points together.
I still don’t understand the backing part
Very useful - even for a Swedish student!
Ok, but I feel you didn't analyze an argument in the cartoon. You thought up of what argument would support the assertion supposedly represented by the cartoon. A better exercise would have been to examine some article, excerpt of a speech or other text that contains an argument and then identify the parts of the Toulmin model within the text.
Hi, Ivan! I made this video seven years ago for my community college students. Feel free to create the 'better exercise' re: analyzing an article or speech excerpt, too. For this video's aim, I wanted something short and sweet, and a political cartoon fit that bill for my teaching purposes.
I think that Toulmin was just bored when doing this
Claim: Instructors ought not to say "you know" over and over again when teaching.
+Laura Young Ha! That's funny. Instructors are human, too.
I take this offensive because he is dancing on a grave...