"Dude, Cocoa!" is my go-to argument. It leaves many people confused. There's an interesting notion in there in the way we may shorthand arguments. "Dude, Cocoa" might be a persuasive argument in and of itself to someone who lives in the house or is a frequent visitor, but to another person, it's one step away from gibberish.
I am glad you went into detail about warrant. Without warrant, deductive reasoning can lead to "I am a mammal, cats are mammals, therefore, I am a cat"
I've always felt a little that the syllogistic style of argumentation is so abstract sometimes that people have a hard time using them. "grounding" your arguments in real life, with a focus on when your arguments work and don't work, seem more realisitc and valid to me. Also, the connection to r/CMV is great, I love that subreddit. PS: PLEASE BRING BACK THE HATS
Just wanted to let you know that I have had 2 different professors try and fail to explain this in a way that made sense to me. I have a final tomorrow and thanks to your video I finally understand toulmin. It’s waaay simpler than I thought lol
I need to write a short 3 paragraph Toulmin argument essay. It has to be about something that has happened in my life and I'm drawing a blank. I've never had to use this method argument until know... And I'm drawing a blank.
When I was in high school, the toulmin method was considered the the basis of explaining all argumentation. We used kind of a modified version of it however, for us it was just Claim Warrant and Data, then we would add an Impact, or why the argument mattered. I really don't know why that model stood as the standard for a community dedicated to the art of argumentation over any other method, but it did. Anyway, I enjoyed this video for reminding me of that.
Thought I'd mention it, the Socrates is a man argument is the example my logic prof used to show the limits of propositional logic and why we need predicate logic (because we have to say For All x where x is a man etc which you can't really do in propositional logic)
The points of interest found by the researchers on the sub-reddit are interesting and yet unsurprising, as they are all things that I actively put to use when I worked in retail and customer service (minus the usage of "you" as it sometimes ends up coming of as accusatory, even when not meant to-often putting people on the defense). It's nice to know that people generally respond well to well thought out, less aggressively presented points of interest. It is unfortunate that less people feel the need to take the time to do so. =( Great THUNK; keep it up!
I am currently working on a project I expect will heavily rely upon Toulmin diagrams. Do you have any recommendations on resources that relate to collaborative knowledge diagramming? In particular, I'm looking to collaborate on tracing evidence to probabilistic conclusions. I'm partial to Toulmin diagrams because they explicitly state the shape of the logic (warrant and how evidence justifies claim). Any thoughts at all would be super helpful, and thanks again for putting out such great content, I've subscribed!
Everything discussed here is still a deductive argument. Induction informs the truth assignment of the premises of an argument, but the argument’s structure is invariant under the truth of its premises and conclusions. Supplying “warrants” is just the process of breaking your premises up into their own *sound* sub arguments. The whole point of argumentation on an interpersonal level is to present a conclusion and then offer a *sound* argument for the conclusion’s truth (an argument where all its premises are true and the conclusion is true). Perhaps the Toulmin method is a useful mental model to think about argumentation, but it is not itself a novel approach to argumentation.
Did they say how effective paraphrasing somebody's view back to them is? "If I understand what you correctly you are saying X, Y, Z..." Then "Given that here is where I think something is amiss..."
ChangeMyView changed a significant portion of my everyday live by... well, changing my view on a topic. It's a great sub if you want to give yourself a re-moralization or want to question your position on something. (I can't believe it's been three years since then.)
The links in the description have some more examples to get a feel for the general categories being defined. You can also check out this very brief overview: web.cn.edu/kwheeler/documents/Toulmin.pdf
You can play it at a slower speed! If you click the gear icon in the video controls & click "Playback Speed" you can play at 0.75x or even 0.5x normal speed. :)
Never stop making THUNK brother.
Well if you say so. ;)
RadioPlastic, second that. These vids are solid
"Dude, Cocoa!" is my go-to argument. It leaves many people confused.
There's an interesting notion in there in the way we may shorthand arguments. "Dude, Cocoa" might be a persuasive argument in and of itself to someone who lives in the house or is a frequent visitor, but to another person, it's one step away from gibberish.
My teacher told us to watch this
You will get a lot more views if people decide to do this homework lol
Thank you for bringing Toulmin's Method to the classroom. This will be helpful as I teach juniors in argument writing.
I really really like this video series, precise, balanced and delivered with a nice sense of understated humor
Thanks! :D
Excellent video. Good basic description of Toulmin, and a reliable summary for students trying to understand the model.
Wow, thanks! Happy to hear it passes muster! :D
This is great! I used it in my classroom today. Would you please make one on Rogerian argument, too? Thunk rocks!
Awesome! I love it when my stuff is useful for *real* educators! :D I'll put Roger on the list for the future.
@@THUNKShow Did you ever do a video on Rogerian persusion (Carl Rogers, the humanistic psychologist/counselor)?
@@THUNKShow Have you done a video on Rogerian persusion?
Very helpful. It helps me become more aware of my general thinking, where I have to consider possible come backs.
Absolutely underwatched. I'm happy I found you, but sad cause I haven't earlier. Terrific job, soldier o7
THANK YOU SIR JUST DOING MY JOB SIR o7
Thank you Mr. Walters.
I want this channel to have more subscribers
I am glad you went into detail about warrant. Without warrant, deductive reasoning can lead to "I am a mammal, cats are mammals, therefore, I am a cat"
Great explanation of Toulmin with examples that make sense. Just in time for the holidays. lol
Great video, thank you for taking the time to produce this and all the others.
Great stuff! Thank you for introducing me to this, I'll be sure to use it!
It makes sense that qualified claims like 'sometimes' are effects if the one whose views being changed is moving away from universal claims.
These videos are awesome!
Lucid explanation! And thank you for the links in the description.
Thanks! Glad it was helpful! :D
I've always felt a little that the syllogistic style of argumentation is so abstract sometimes that people have a hard time using them. "grounding" your arguments in real life, with a focus on when your arguments work and don't work, seem more realisitc and valid to me.
Also, the connection to r/CMV is great, I love that subreddit.
PS: PLEASE BRING BACK THE HATS
Just wanted to let you know that I have had 2 different professors try and fail to explain this in a way that made sense to me. I have a final tomorrow and thanks to your video I finally understand toulmin. It’s waaay simpler than I thought lol
That's awesome! I'm glad I was able to explain it in a way that makes sense to you! :D
I need to write a short 3 paragraph Toulmin argument essay. It has to be about something that has happened in my life and I'm drawing a blank. I've never had to use this method argument until know... And I'm drawing a blank.
its a good basis for any situation you find you self in an argument with a stubborn attitude
When I was in high school, the toulmin method was considered the the basis of explaining all argumentation. We used kind of a modified version of it however, for us it was just Claim Warrant and Data, then we would add an Impact, or why the argument mattered.
I really don't know why that model stood as the standard for a community dedicated to the art of argumentation over any other method, but it did.
Anyway, I enjoyed this video for reminding me of that.
This helped so much in my understanding! Thank you!
'Dude Cocoa, made me laugh! Awesome !
I found this just because I wanted to know how to pronounce Toulmin! Great video thanks for making it.
lol, glad you stuck around for the rest of it!
@@THUNKShow it really was I'm sharing with a friend now because it helped a lot
Good work.
I am now thoroughly convinced Coco will eat the leftovers
And you'd be warranted in that assertion! ;)
I learned so much on this topic. I want to be able to speak about Toulmin argument to a group of 11th graders very soon.
I'm using this in my Global Perspectives and research class and I'm loving it. Could you do something about argumentation by Chaïm Perelman?
Thought I'd mention it, the Socrates is a man argument is the example my logic prof used to show the limits of propositional logic and why we need predicate logic (because we have to say For All x where x is a man etc which you can't really do in propositional logic)
Thank you
The points of interest found by the researchers on the sub-reddit are interesting and yet unsurprising, as they are all things that I actively put to use when I worked in retail and customer service (minus the usage of "you" as it sometimes ends up coming of as accusatory, even when not meant to-often putting people on the defense).
It's nice to know that people generally respond well to well thought out, less aggressively presented points of interest. It is unfortunate that less people feel the need to take the time to do so. =(
Great THUNK; keep it up!
Well explained! Thank you. Never would have learned of the Change My Mind subreddit otherwise.
Glad I could introduce you! :D
I am currently working on a project I expect will heavily rely upon Toulmin diagrams. Do you have any recommendations on resources that relate to collaborative knowledge diagramming? In particular, I'm looking to collaborate on tracing evidence to probabilistic conclusions. I'm partial to Toulmin diagrams because they explicitly state the shape of the logic (warrant and how evidence justifies claim). Any thoughts at all would be super helpful, and thanks again for putting out such great content, I've subscribed!
Not quite sure what you're after; maybe something like this??
www.mindmeister.com/content/collaboration
Helpful, thank you
needed this for ap language class thanks
Glad it was helpful!
I'm getting flashbacks to inductive proofs now. I hope you're happy.
Very much like all the other times I've given you flashbacks to inductive proofs. :P
It certainly sounds like an interesting method. Thank you for sharing it! :)
“People don’t usually disagree with us because they believe something is logically impossible” ever talked to a liberal?
Quoting what someone said is a good way of exploring what they meant though.
Dude ... my feelings
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[Cracks fingers on keyboard].
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Everything discussed here is still a deductive argument. Induction informs the truth assignment of the premises of an argument, but the argument’s structure is invariant under the truth of its premises and conclusions.
Supplying “warrants” is just the process of breaking your premises up into their own *sound* sub arguments. The whole point of argumentation on an interpersonal level is to present a conclusion and then offer a *sound* argument for the conclusion’s truth (an argument where all its premises are true and the conclusion is true). Perhaps the Toulmin method is a useful mental model to think about argumentation, but it is not itself a novel approach to argumentation.
Did they say how effective paraphrasing somebody's view back to them is? "If I understand what you correctly you are saying X, Y, Z..." Then "Given that here is where I think something is amiss..."
EXCELLENT.
Thanks for this! You broke down an incredibly boring, 10-page article that I had to read for class in minutes!
Glad to hear it! :D What do you think of the Toulmin method? Does it make sense?
It does!
ChangeMyView changed a significant portion of my everyday live by... well, changing my view on a topic. It's a great sub if you want to give yourself a re-moralization or want to question your position on something.
(I can't believe it's been three years since then.)
I have to make a presentation of this and I don't have an idea that what is it. Need some help please,
This might be useful for Conflux.
He’s like a perfect combination of Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans...
>.> You don't say?
*hides super-soldier serum in rocket boots*
ily
THUNK you
Yer wulcome!
wir dich auch
- Malu:ich nicht
Hm. That's how I generally structure my arguments. Didn't realize it had a name. It just seemed logical to me. :-P
should've posted this on the 23rd of november, not the 29th ;)
I thought about it, but I was pretty busy doing my own Thanksgiving stuff, & the biweekly schedule must be obeyed!
THUNK lol, fair enough
Tims unite!
Would you consider a Google hangout?
I would!
Nice! I would love to participate.
I all men have to be mortal, how do we know that socrates is a man before we have observed him die? :p
Can it be true that we're living in a post-truth world if we're living in a post-truth world? - u/RockyFlintstone
Hallo 9.4
hi
ich habe hunger
xoxo
Ich auch
du stinkst
- Malu Brosowski
wie gehts malu
After watching twice I still don't get it... maybe it's better to use a more relevant example instead of a dog being hungry..
Research 'critical thinking'
Or use the links in the description
Pineapple29 maybe it isnt the explainers fault, because I understood it after the first watch
The links in the description have some more examples to get a feel for the general categories being defined. You can also check out this very brief overview: web.cn.edu/kwheeler/documents/Toulmin.pdf
Can I pet cocoa please? 😀
Thank you smart-but-less-attractive Chris Evans.
I would have loved to use this for my high school class, but the speaker is just speaking TOO FAST. :( Awwww.
You can play it at a slower speed! If you click the gear icon in the video controls & click "Playback Speed" you can play at 0.75x or even 0.5x normal speed. :)
Malu stinkt
I have to make a presentation of this and I don't have an idea that what is it. Need some help please,