I’d love to see your review on that Factor and a straightforward comparison to the SL8, lets see if they deliver on their claims and if indeed both bakes are in the same league
@CyclespeedTours Are you sure there is no weight savings from the Ostro V1 to V2? What does your Ostro VAM V1 Total Bike weigh? In Pedal Lane PH's video, they actually show the complete V2 bike built up with pedals in size 54cm is a Total of 6.88kg. | 15.16lbs. Are you saying your Ostro VAM V1 Total Bike weight is less with the same pedals? The V2 Frame & Fork might be heavier than the V1 but it seems the V2 Total bike weight is less than the V1 and that is probably mostly due to the new Black Inc. 48/58 wheels that supposedly only weight 1250gr. Also, the slight increase in weight of the V2 Frame & Fork is supposed to make the bike more snappy and gives it faster acceleration and better climbing because of the increase in frame/fork stiffness. So, lighter weight is not everything. In the end, it comes down to performance and you really need to ride the V2 to make a fair comparison to the V1.
@@cyberx7098 My Ostro V1 weighs exactly 6kg. It is meaningless to look at total bike weight because you can put on light wheels, saddle, etc. With 'normal' wheels the V2 is well over 7kg. The only way to compare is to look at the frameset weight. The V2 frame is 100g more than the V1 and V2 fork is also 100g more. Quite significant and well above what was announced. I find my V1 perfectly stiff enough but I am 65kg, FTP 280W. F=ma so extra weight will reduce acceleration. It is without a doubt that extra weight will cost you time on a climb, you only need to look at competition hill climb bikes to see that. No doubt the V2 will ride nicely and will be a fine bike, it's just not for me.
@@tittawatchotpakditrakul624 This is very frustrating and upsetting for people who like the Ostro VAM and want to support the Factor brand. According to CyclespeedTours, this is now the 2nd time that Factor has mislead consumers by advertising false weights of the VAM V1 and VAM V2 Frame & Fork which are not accurate. I can understand why people are mad now and might not want to spend money on the V2 when it is heavier and who knows what else Factor is not being truthful about regarding the "supposed" increase in performance and claimed better aerodynamics. Most of Factors claims about better aerodynamics on the V2 is measured at riding the VAM V2 at 48kph | 30mph. Who actually consistently rides their bike at 30mph?
Nice to see the lower cost Ekar. I read a comment recently that Centaur 12 speed is coming as well, so if that's true it looks like Campag aren't abandoning the mid-tier altogether.
Factor's outrageous pricing is a total joke. Nobody in their right mind would go for a Factor when a Specialized can be had for the same price. Factor imagines themselves in the same league. They are not.
Ostro VAM in Chrome White looks great, but another youtuber, Cycle Speed Tours, weighed a size 52 at their LBS, tipping the scales at: 915 g - frame 496 g - fork (steerer slightly cut) Arguably competitive, but not near SL8, and more than Factor's marketing. How much of this is due to the colourway remains to be seen, a carbon matte colourway obviously should be lighter.
please stop perpetuating the falsehood that some bikes (well, frames) are faster than others. it’s sales bollocks. wheels make a difference, frames don’t.
Bikes are not faster Cyclists are faster And the fact is that most buyers of these overpriced frail carbon frames made in China do not have the power output to make any significant changes in the general 15-20 mph they casually ride at . No know on Chinese carbon as they can lay it up about as good as anyone for the premium layups . If you want a flagship carbon bike get a Time RTM technology is light years beyond these supposed premium bike brands that are way over priced. And if you want the holy grail get a Litespeed or Moots TI My T1sl dwarfs all these premium carbon bikes including Time and I own a BMC slr01 slr03 and a Time Skylon and the T1 sl dwarfs them all across the board.
If I had to place a bet, I'd say electronic Ekar is well under way and will be launched soon... now that they have gone wireless, there's no reason why they shouldn't bring that technology in the gravel range too.
Well done Reilly great looking frames with rim brake to ❤.. love Campagnolo and run the mechanical chorus group sets on my main bikes but I do think they needed to come in cheaper with this new Ekar group set to stay competitive and lure new consumers. 😊 Pete 🚴🏻👍
It really daunts my mind why Panaracer use high tech technology to improve manufacturing process but can only come out with clincher tire only? Either their technology is not high enough to produce tubeless or they have their marketing strategies all wrong.
I am not a fun of sl8/sl7. Surly, Roval/hollowgram 64 are heavier than blackInc but they are super fast though. would be great to compare on the local loop?
Factor is the most overpriced bike brand in the entire bike industry. Specialized Tarmac has some good results in the pro peloton so you can justify this high price. Where are Factor bikes with their results? What are the advantages of these bikes bisides the bling bling painting?
They don’t need race pedigree, they spend their money on influencers….. this is building an image to attract people who fall in love and buy their bikes.
There is NO justification for the pricing of these bikes... We the consumers are the reason for the season.. buying bikes not designed for the “average cyclist”
Does anyone know if Factor fixed the rear Thru-Axel problem that exists on version 1 of the Ostro VAM? Also, there are lots of posts online about the bottom bracket creaking and the headset compression plug/steer tube problem. Hopefully all of these problems have been fixed on the 2024 Ostro VAM.
@@pantster9855 The compression plug problem was the result of a manufacturing defect in the design of the compression plug. It would not grip the inside of the steer tube properly and it kept loosing up which forced pro team mechanics to overtighten it. Since this video has come out, there have been lots of people saying there are still experiencing rear Thru-Axel problems and Front-End steering issues on this newly released 2024 Ostro VAM. There are several forum posts and UA-cam videos about this. This is very disappointing that these problems still exist on the new model.
@@cyberx7098 incorrect about the steerer plug You’ve still not explained what the rear thru axle problem is. I can see 1 UA-cam video about the rear thru axle & all you do is pull the derailleur hanger back when installing & that’s it, it’s how their inserts are designed. Even the guy that made the video commented a couple of months later saying it’s no issue really! As for your comment that “lots of people still saying they are having rear thru axle and steering problems with the new bike” that’s pretty impressive considering barely anyone has one. WHERE are they saying this? Where are these “lots of people”?
Compared to 1:04, 1:06. sl8 with rapid handlebar, roval wheelset is faster than sl8 with blackinc handlebar, blackinc 48/58 wheelset. Therefore ostro frame is faster than sl8 frame. but specialized components is faster than factor(blackinc) components?
I’d love to see your review on that Factor and a straightforward comparison to the SL8, lets see if they deliver on their claims and if indeed both bakes are in the same league
Specialized is junk! Factor is King!
Much better looking than the SL8. That’s all that really matters let’s face it.
There are NO weight savings from Ostro V1 to V2. In fact the weight has gone up. The SL8 is significantly lighter than both the Ostro V1 and 2.
@CyclespeedTours Are you sure there is no weight savings from the Ostro V1 to V2? What does your Ostro VAM V1 Total Bike weigh? In Pedal Lane PH's video, they actually show the complete V2 bike built up with pedals in size 54cm is a Total of 6.88kg. | 15.16lbs. Are you saying your Ostro VAM V1 Total Bike weight is less with the same pedals? The V2 Frame & Fork might be heavier than the V1 but it seems the V2 Total bike weight is less than the V1 and that is probably mostly due to the new Black Inc. 48/58 wheels that supposedly only weight 1250gr. Also, the slight increase in weight of the V2 Frame & Fork is supposed to make the bike more snappy and gives it faster acceleration and better climbing because of the increase in frame/fork stiffness. So, lighter weight is not everything. In the end, it comes down to performance and you really need to ride the V2 to make a fair comparison to the V1.
@@cyberx7098 My Ostro V1 weighs exactly 6kg. It is meaningless to look at total bike weight because you can put on light wheels, saddle, etc. With 'normal' wheels the V2 is well over 7kg. The only way to compare is to look at the frameset weight. The V2 frame is 100g more than the V1 and V2 fork is also 100g more. Quite significant and well above what was announced. I find my V1 perfectly stiff enough but I am 65kg, FTP 280W.
F=ma so extra weight will reduce acceleration. It is without a doubt that extra weight will cost you time on a climb, you only need to look at competition hill climb bikes to see that.
No doubt the V2 will ride nicely and will be a fine bike, it's just not for me.
@@cyberx7098 In Thailand we already test this new factor weight by their distributor, they are actually not lighter.
@@tittawatchotpakditrakul624 This is very frustrating and upsetting for people who like the Ostro VAM and want to support the Factor brand. According to CyclespeedTours, this is now the 2nd time that Factor has mislead consumers by advertising false weights of the VAM V1 and VAM V2 Frame & Fork which are not accurate. I can understand why people are mad now and might not want to spend money on the V2 when it is heavier and who knows what else Factor is not being truthful about regarding the "supposed" increase in performance and claimed better aerodynamics. Most of Factors claims about better aerodynamics on the V2 is measured at riding the VAM V2 at 48kph | 30mph. Who actually consistently rides their bike at 30mph?
Nice to see the lower cost Ekar. I read a comment recently that Centaur 12 speed is coming as well, so if that's true it looks like Campag aren't abandoning the mid-tier altogether.
No bike in the universe is worth 11K!
Still can’t figure out why anyone would choose Campag over Shimano or Sram for any new bike. “To be different” is the only plausible reason, I think.
...under the advise of the bike shop I purchased a 13k bike but the guy with the Sora bike still dropes me...
Think I’ll try out the Merida Reacto I’ve just purchased for £2200 before I go and buy the vastly overpriced Factor…
The Factor looks cooler than the Tarmac....
nice using 1x and aero + comfort, similar to how my 1x 3T Strada obliterated all my previous tarmac sl7 times, and also some of my shiv times!
Factor's outrageous pricing is a total joke. Nobody in their right mind would go for a Factor when a Specialized can be had for the same price. Factor imagines themselves in the same league. They are not.
Since when are Specialized bikes a good deal? Never that I recall.
Ostro VAM in Chrome White looks great, but another youtuber, Cycle Speed Tours, weighed a size 52 at their LBS, tipping the scales at:
915 g - frame
496 g - fork (steerer slightly cut)
Arguably competitive, but not near SL8, and more than Factor's marketing. How much of this is due to the colourway remains to be seen, a carbon matte colourway obviously should be lighter.
Are you going to be reviewing the new Ostro?
A flatbar isn't a gravel bike.
That Reilly is sublime!
please stop perpetuating the falsehood that some bikes (well, frames) are faster than others. it’s sales bollocks. wheels make a difference, frames don’t.
David I wanna hear more about then Black wheels.
Bikes are not faster
Cyclists are faster
And the fact is that most buyers of these overpriced frail carbon frames made in China do not have the power output to make any significant changes in the general 15-20 mph they casually ride at . No know on Chinese carbon as they can lay it up about as good as anyone for the premium layups . If you want a flagship carbon bike get a Time RTM technology is light years beyond these supposed premium bike brands that are way over priced. And if you want the holy grail get a Litespeed or Moots TI
My T1sl dwarfs all these premium carbon bikes including Time and I own a BMC slr01 slr03 and a Time Skylon and the T1 sl dwarfs them all across the board.
I have EkAR..was hoping for electronic .. looking like a shift to SRAM for flawless shifting .. Mechanical EkAR too hit and miss for me
Agree a shame there's no electronic version
If I had to place a bet, I'd say electronic Ekar is well under way and will be launched soon... now that they have gone wireless, there's no reason why they shouldn't bring that technology in the gravel range too.
@@fabriziomonopoli5074 Hope so, would prefer to stay with campag and my thumbshifter ❤️ but the downshifts make my teeth itch 😂
I run a GRX 400, although nobody reviews it, it's advantage is 500% range with 11 36 cassette
Your opinion on factor o2wam?
middle of 2024 and factor still didn't send you a ostro vam to review? Get your hands on one :)
Comparison from Lidls.. Pick a scale, drive them both in real world and then you can write which one to cancel
All i can say is that, put the bike on a weak rider. All of sudden he's performing than is a good bike.
Well done Reilly great looking frames with rim brake to ❤.. love Campagnolo and run the mechanical chorus group sets on my main bikes but I do think they needed to come in cheaper with this new Ekar group set to stay competitive and lure new consumers. 😊 Pete 🚴🏻👍
David what’s the price of the Topeak saddle bag??
It's £47 and the price includes the 10 piece ratchet tool. It's called the Elementa gearbag
@@davidarthur thanks David. 😎👍🏻
You should talk more about the ostro vam maybe to a review on it.
insignificant changes to the factor bike imo
David, any online retailers that are selling those topeak feza cages??
It really daunts my mind why Panaracer use high tech technology to improve manufacturing process but can only come out with clincher tire only? Either their technology is not high enough to produce tubeless or they have their marketing strategies all wrong.
Who cares their tires puncture if you look at them wrong anyway
I am not a fun of sl8/sl7. Surly, Roval/hollowgram 64 are heavier than blackInc but they are super fast though. would be great to compare on the local loop?
look at syncross capitol aero wheelset
As my old grand papi used to say “a flat bar gravel bike isn’t……”
Factor is the most overpriced bike brand in the entire bike industry. Specialized Tarmac has some good results in the pro peloton so you can justify this high price. Where are Factor bikes with their results? What are the advantages of these bikes bisides the bling bling painting?
This I have to agree. No pedigree yet and they are priced more than other established brands
They don’t need race pedigree, they spend their money on influencers….. this is building an image to attract people who fall in love and buy their bikes.
Mike Woods won stage 9 at the TdF last year on an Ostro VAM. I guess you all miss that???
No one should buy a bike based on race results, that would be a ridiculous thing to do.
There is NO justification for the pricing of these bikes... We the consumers are the reason for the season.. buying bikes not designed for the “average cyclist”
Does anyone know if Factor fixed the rear Thru-Axel problem that exists on version 1 of the Ostro VAM? Also, there are lots of posts online about the bottom bracket creaking and the headset compression plug/steer tube problem. Hopefully all of these problems have been fixed on the 2024 Ostro VAM.
Very old problems with a different design to the headset plug & incorrect installation in the pro team at the time. No issues with thru axles
@@pantster9855 The compression plug problem was the result of a manufacturing defect in the design of the compression plug. It would not grip the inside of the steer tube properly and it kept loosing up which forced pro team mechanics to overtighten it. Since this video has come out, there have been lots of people saying there are still experiencing rear Thru-Axel problems and Front-End steering issues on this newly released 2024 Ostro VAM. There are several forum posts and UA-cam videos about this. This is very disappointing that these problems still exist on the new model.
@@cyberx7098 incorrect about the steerer plug
You’ve still not explained what the rear thru axle problem is. I can see 1 UA-cam video about the rear thru axle & all you do is pull the derailleur hanger back when installing & that’s it, it’s how their inserts are designed. Even the guy that made the video commented a couple of months later saying it’s no issue really!
As for your comment that “lots of people still saying they are having rear thru axle and steering problems with the new bike” that’s pretty impressive considering barely anyone has one. WHERE are they saying this? Where are these “lots of people”?
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That Reilly is stunning 🤩
Compared to 1:04, 1:06. sl8 with rapid handlebar, roval wheelset is faster than sl8 with blackinc handlebar, blackinc 48/58 wheelset.
Therefore ostro frame is faster than sl8 frame. but specialized components is faster than factor(blackinc) components?
DOGMA F the best!
Loving the look of the Surly
Mate. I like you & I get you have bills to pay. But this content is utterly pointless.