If you listen to the guitar-mandolin mix from the Deluxe CD set (ie the recording from the bonus cd with no vocals) with good IEMs, you can hear the mandolin is mixed hard left, and the tape delay is center right. The intro lick is clearly A C E E. The C always chokes the A, while the E rings out. Also, the A C E E riff is uninterrupted when the bass part happens. That is, he plays A/E, A/Eb, and A/D as double-stops. To me it makes the most sense that he played it in open position: 3rd finger to play the C and 1st and 2nd fingers to play the E and the Eb with an open D. In the July 1977 interview he says that he used his hybrid fingerstyle technique--pick and two fingers--to play this song. I think he's using the two middle fingers to pluck the A C E E lick and the pick to play the bass notes. That would explain why the bass line is louder and clearer, and why it doesn't sound exactly the same when any normal mandolin player plays it--none of us use our fingers to pluck notes! Regarding the number of mandolins you're definitely right. If you watch the "official audio" on youtube, they'll flash a photo of the tape box with the track index. Track 1 is mandolin and track 3 is mandolin echo. There is no second mandolin on the tape. Not that it matters in this context, but the box also says that Robert played the guitar, and there are six tracks of vocals. As far as I can tell, Page only ever played that intro once in his life. When it reappears in the recording, it's spliced in from the initial performance. If you listen closely you can hear an error in the edit--but be warned that once you hear it you won't ever be able to unhear it ;-). Plus it's not in the guitar-mandolin mix, which I assume was made so Plant could write lyrics. All the live recordings from the 70s that I can find feature JPJ playing a completely different intro. Later videos with Page and Plant also have a different intro. It's kind of funny that 50 years later we're still trying to figure out exactly what he did that one time, when apparently it wasn't that important to him.
I learned this on mandolin over 45 years ago you are the first I’ve seen to do it correctly ! Another cool tune is Stevie Windwoods Back in the Highlife it rocks !
That sounded beautiful man .!! I’m 52 and grew up listening to that song a million times and im a musician as well and you’ve done wonderful.... I can close my eyes and hear it beautifully... way to go man !!
Cheers, man - my goal was to point the way more than to pull it off perfectly. It's a miracle I could figure it out at all, and I don't understand why nobody on UA-cam hasn't taught it my way, only better!
Been there Bud. I'm just getting into this stuff. And I'm really looking forward to doing some mando shredding. I already have a schematic from this video! I love it when it's an easy take! And a big tip o the hat to Hacksformusicians. I'll be looking for more Sir!
I think what many seem to do is mistake the guitar part for a mandolin part. I would not discount multiple mandolin and guitar tracks. Jimmy page was notorious for his "wall of guitar" sound of tons of tracks...and being not the most precise player it can come off as delay as things are not exactly locked in.
Disclaimer. I am not a musician. I've dabbled with bass and banjo. But am not a operator. That being said. I've listen to battle of evermore hundreds of times and have it memorized note for note. All other lessons on yt leave me unfulfilled. Yours seems pretty spot on. You've matched what I hear on the record. Not putting any of the others down. But you explanations of jimmy not being s proper mandolin player made sense. When a proper operator of the instrument does it, it just don't sound right. Jimmys style made it quite unique
This is great but I wish you would of explained the chords for people who don’t know. One important aspect on the verse people miss is barring the top two strings on the second fret with your thumb bringing out that F#
Was designed Sure the firs...t four!! bars at least! 6+●14,? Acoustic at the octave maybe overdub mandolin later contradicted the story changed to instrument around the Grange. Jones didn't have the mandolin then ..or forgot/no room? Was un planned? record on 4 track see which gives the best or accurately out of phase fx ?
@@hacksformusicians2574 just wondered why the story from Jp changed. First it was a mandolin already there to borrowing Joneses? Sounds more like record when I used the guitar at 12th fret. No other instrument at first. Sounded mandolin like Recorded with reverb tap tempo. Think mandolin overdubbed. No great mystery
Sorry, but, I've been playing mandolin for over 50 years and couldn't remember this song so I came here. If I can't follow this lesson I have no doubt a less experienced player could follow. You have to show the finger positions man. You're in effect just playing the song rather than showing players how to play. I appreciate the effort but I don't think anyone can learn this song the way you present it.
Thank you! I look forward to trying your version of this out. It sounds great to me. I agree with another poster here, and would appreciate it if you broke it down, and zoomed in on some of the fingerings.
ua-cam.com/video/9xfy9W9my_w/v-deo.html I do not think he sweeps. although that is a good way to sound really close. I think its mainly the delay helping that effect because frankly, even his directly playing it without any effects doesn't even sound right lol
First off, you sound awesome playing it but honestly? Jimmy Paige never played it that way… He plays it down close to the nut. Watch any and all of his live performances and that’s where his hands are… Just saying.
You'll get it right in another 40 years. Listen to people that are known that have been playing since the SIXTIES or SEVENTIES! They do exist out here!
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If you listen to the guitar-mandolin mix from the Deluxe CD set (ie the recording from the bonus cd with no vocals) with good IEMs, you can hear the mandolin is mixed hard left, and the tape delay is center right. The intro lick is clearly A C E E. The C always chokes the A, while the E rings out. Also, the A C E E riff is uninterrupted when the bass part happens. That is, he plays A/E, A/Eb, and A/D as double-stops. To me it makes the most sense that he played it in open position: 3rd finger to play the C and 1st and 2nd fingers to play the E and the Eb with an open D. In the July 1977 interview he says that he used his hybrid fingerstyle technique--pick and two fingers--to play this song. I think he's using the two middle fingers to pluck the A C E E lick and the pick to play the bass notes. That would explain why the bass line is louder and clearer, and why it doesn't sound exactly the same when any normal mandolin player plays it--none of us use our fingers to pluck notes!
Regarding the number of mandolins you're definitely right. If you watch the "official audio" on youtube, they'll flash a photo of the tape box with the track index. Track 1 is mandolin and track 3 is mandolin echo. There is no second mandolin on the tape. Not that it matters in this context, but the box also says that Robert played the guitar, and there are six tracks of vocals.
As far as I can tell, Page only ever played that intro once in his life. When it reappears in the recording, it's spliced in from the initial performance. If you listen closely you can hear an error in the edit--but be warned that once you hear it you won't ever be able to unhear it ;-). Plus it's not in the guitar-mandolin mix, which I assume was made so Plant could write lyrics. All the live recordings from the 70s that I can find feature JPJ playing a completely different intro. Later videos with Page and Plant also have a different intro. It's kind of funny that 50 years later we're still trying to figure out exactly what he did that one time, when apparently it wasn't that important to him.
Wow! Awesome detective work you have done,Kudos🎉
Damn Son!!
You have a big brain!!
Thanks for that little aside!
I would have never dreamed it was echoed!!
40 years well spent, sir. You played the real deal.
I learned this on mandolin over 45 years ago you are the first I’ve seen to do it correctly ! Another cool tune is Stevie Windwoods Back in the Highlife it rocks !
Definitly the best sounding one I've heard on UA-cam. Would like to see more of the song broken down.
This make me want to go buy a Mandolin just to play this.
Thanks!
That sounded beautiful man .!! I’m 52 and grew up listening to that song a million times and im a musician as well and you’ve done wonderful.... I can close my eyes and hear it beautifully... way to go man !!
Cheers, man - my goal was to point the way more than to pull it off perfectly. It's a miracle I could figure it out at all, and I don't understand why nobody on UA-cam hasn't taught it my way, only better!
Been there Bud.
I'm just getting into this stuff. And I'm really looking forward to doing some mando shredding.
I already have a schematic from this video!
I love it when it's an easy take!
And a big tip o the hat to Hacksformusicians.
I'll be looking for more Sir!
I've watched a lot of videos. This is the one. Killer stuff
There's a video of Nancy Wilson demonstrating how she plays it and that sounds right to me.
Great tutorial it sounds so much better than the way I was playing it. Thank you.
Thankyou for that Blake, and I think you're right about that finger flourish at the end.
I hope so... ;)
One view and I already can't get enough.
Thanks, Blake.. This is the correct way...very much appreciated!
Beautifully done
Sounds excellent !! Can't wait to try this one.
I think what many seem to do is mistake the guitar part for a mandolin part. I would not discount multiple mandolin and guitar tracks. Jimmy page was notorious for his "wall of guitar" sound of tons of tracks...and being not the most precise player it can come off as delay as things are not exactly locked in.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I was killing myself trying to play the intro.
Disclaimer. I am not a musician. I've dabbled with bass and banjo. But am not a operator. That being said. I've listen to battle of evermore hundreds of times and have it memorized note for note. All other lessons on yt leave me unfulfilled. Yours seems pretty spot on. You've matched what I hear on the record. Not putting any of the others down. But you explanations of jimmy not being s proper mandolin player made sense. When a proper operator of the instrument does it, it just don't sound right. Jimmys style made it quite unique
Wow, I thought that was great. Thank you for sharing your talent. Your version is much better. Peace and much love to you. ❤🎸🐝Happy 🐝
Brilliant
Pretty good , She seems like a nice lady but you play it more correctly than Nancy Wilson of Heart does in her mandolin video.
Yeah!! Killer
Awesome, thank you
Brilliant👍
On a TV documentary Jimmy Page said that he used a mandolin that Robert Plant gave as a gift.
Yup, that’s it. Bravo
Hmm. That sounds really close to the original. Really, really close. Thanks for posting this.
Good stuff.
This is great but I wish you would of explained the chords for people who don’t know. One important aspect on the verse people miss is barring the top two strings on the second fret with your thumb bringing out that F#
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Not a cheater, a hacker!
This sounds incredible played on my 12 string bowlback 😳
Megathanks, good insights
I love it! Thank You..
Thank You
Nice. Can you do a full lesson .....
I love it!
Cooool
Amazing 100%
What about the other chords?
You started a channel!!!!!
I have a Spanish parallel channel - trying to set it up. I need a teenager or something to explain it.
You've missed out almost the whole middle and end
Sorry, I figured that anyone could figure that part out. Should I do more?
I thought JPJ played mandolin on this song
Ive come to the conclusion that Jimmy Page was playing it wrong. 😂 😆 LOL
Brialantly simple and almost idiot proof thx
Was designed
Sure the firs...t four!! bars at least! 6+●14,? Acoustic at the octave maybe overdub mandolin later contradicted the story changed to instrument around the Grange. Jones didn't have the mandolin then ..or forgot/no room? Was un planned? record on 4 track see which gives the best or accurately out of phase fx ?
I'm not sure what you're talking about, although Jimmy says he used JPJ's mandolin, which he'd never played before. Strange story.
@@hacksformusicians2574 just wondered why the story from Jp changed. First it was a mandolin already there to borrowing Joneses? Sounds more like record when I used the guitar at 12th fret. No other instrument at first. Sounded mandolin like Recorded with reverb tap tempo. Think mandolin overdubbed. No great mystery
Your own picking... however
Sorry, but, I've been playing mandolin for over 50 years and couldn't remember this song so I came here. If I can't follow this lesson I have no doubt a less experienced player could follow. You have to show the finger positions man. You're in effect just playing the song rather than showing players how to play. I appreciate the effort but
I don't think anyone can learn this song the way you present it.
I did just fine and I’m a fiddler trying to mess with a mando
Thank you! I look forward to trying your version of this out. It sounds great to me. I agree with another poster here, and would appreciate it if you broke it down, and zoomed in on some of the fingerings.
I DID say what strings and frets iI was on. That doesn't help?
Agree 100%
ua-cam.com/video/9xfy9W9my_w/v-deo.html I do not think he sweeps. although that is a good way to sound really close. I think its mainly the delay helping that effect because frankly, even his directly playing it without any effects doesn't even sound right lol
I can't see what you're doing, your hand is in the way
First off, you sound awesome playing it but honestly? Jimmy Paige never played it that way… He plays it down close to the nut. Watch any and all of his live performances and that’s where his hands are… Just saying.
There is no right way to play it
You'll get it right in another 40 years. Listen to people that are known that have been playing since the SIXTIES or SEVENTIES! They do exist out here!
So wrong lol
"So let's get started." Then doesn't get started. IMPATIENT? MOI??
Brilliant
That was great!
I'm feelin' the love. I hope more people find this - I can't promote my way out of a paper bag.
Superly dupery helpful. Thanks from a long-time LZ fan.
I love it! Thank You..
Absolutely spot on! Thanks!!!
Perfect!
Brilliant thanks
Well done, best version I have heard on UA-cam 👍✌️