I was a Bradley mechanic and Recovery operator during the first rotation into Iraq and even was there during the second and third rotations. I saw our Hummvs get absolutely shredded by nuts and bolts that were laid around IEDs. The vehicles looked like someone shot bird shot at paper targets. They 1114s with the upgraded armor plate and the shrapnel went straight through them. The damn ballistic glass was the toughest part of the trucks. During my 2nd tour I was assigned to the 101st ABN ( loaned to them) at FOB Normandy. They already had 8 Hummvs destroyed by IED by the time i arrived. I was assigned to them because their colonel demanded better armor protection. So he got pre-po Bradley's from Kuwait. 13 to be exact. By the time they rotated back to the states 8 months later 11 of the Bradley's were coded out. 5 of which burned down due to the IEDs striking fuel cell under the turret. Hell I towed two of them while they were still burning because I wasn't waiting for Haji to wake up want to play. Anyways when I was in Kuwait at start of the 2nd tour I was sent with our smo to boneyard in Kuwait for Hummv parts scrounging. The Hummv boneyard was honestly one of two times I cried during that time. The trucks were all snapshots of how destructive IEDs are. It was a pitiful sight. And the yard was multiple football fields big and that was just the 2nd tour starting and just the Hummvs. Every time I rode in a Hummv going FOB to FOB. I never once felt remotely safe. They were Coffins on wheels in Iraq. The thousands of soldiers who did missions in those things were god damn brave and deserve allot of credit. I am grateful that the Army is replacing the Hummvs. But it should have been done before Iraq was ever a thing.
The politicians never should have sent you to Iraq in the first place but I appreciate and respect what you did there and went through. Cannot even begin to imagine what it was like.
I live in Wisconsin, we actually toured Oshkosh Defense in high school. They had a whole room on our route dedicated to the JLTV, all of the engineering that went into it was super impressive. I wish I remembered more of it now 😅
I’m from wisconsin too, was super proud… until I used them. Swapped HMMWVs for JLTVs as a cav platoon leader. They suck. Too big (the only way to get a light skin vehicle to survive is through having it present a small observable object). Tiny windows, no situational awareness etc
Marine here! We use JLTVs a lot and I really like them. They're WAY better than the piece of shit Humvees, and WAY more comfortable. I do have a problem with how the doors dont have an automatic assist to open it, like most vehicles. Its heavy AF! I'd imagine if it rolled onto it's side, trying to open that bitch would be impossible! Hooking radios up to them is also very simple, and I love how the vehicle tells you everything that's wrong with it. All in all, from an 0621 experience, 10/10!
I’m a 21 too, the only thing I don’t like is the doors, I got my hand caught in a door and broke all my fingers getting into one, but I definitely love them, especially the mrc 148s
As an infantryman in the Marine Corps that drives the JLTV nearly every day, I've got to say that I absolutely love this beautiful beast! It's better than the HMMWV in every aspect. The fastest speed I've ever gotten the JLTV up to is 90mph, which is pretty fast for something of that weight.
It will be interesting to see how long the Humvee will stick around now that it can more likely stay in the rear where the expense of this thing isn't quite needed.
It will definately stick around for a while since it's initial role was back line trrop transport in the first place. It could prolly be retrofitted/upgraded to an EV since it could pile on so much weight in armor in the sandbox. Would help with roll overs 2.
They need to upgrade the motor to the 6.5 though. That's only a top-end motor rebuild but it would add about 20% more horsepower, something the HUMMER desperately needs.
They forbid the use of them outside the wire in combat zones after about 2012. We've been using the M-ATV. Both kinda suck for different reasons. I hope this is better, as it seems to be the best parts of both. The ironic thing is that the original humvee was light, like you said. Now, the army and Marines have been fielding light tactical vehicles that essentially do what the original humvee did with a better engine and suspension. Vehicles like the Flyer 60 and 72.
@@theimmortal4718 The "light" unarmored vehicles do nothing of importance that the ORIGINAL HMMWV didn't do. They added some trivial capability and said it was superior because of blah blah blah BS. They bamboozled some generals...one of whom is now retired & the VP of a company making the little vehicle. Ain't that heart-warming? No fraud waste abuse in those programs....
@@Buck123four I disagree. Instead of having one platform trying to be everything from light trucks to armored cars, we will have separate vehicles to do that. The JLTV is superior to the M1114 in every way.
I have had the honor to work in a business that fills a small but important role in the JLTV project, I handle armored parts for the JLTV and have also handled thousands of armored parts for packages that go on the humvee, and I'm glad to see how much more protection some one riding in the B-kit JLTV is offered compared to the armored humvee, I can also say the quality controll on the JLTV project is impressive, traceability is taken EXTREEMLY seriously so if for example a window frame fails in combat, or has cracked welds or even its paint falls off oshkosh or the US millitary can quarantine those parts and find out when, and where they were produced, if documentation is lost for a part no matter how large or expensive it has to be scrapped so that way oshkosh or worst case the millitary is ensured it can find the source of a failure
At the 16:11 mark, the story of the roll over was funny because I was in the training class. To be fair though it happened due to a humvee pulling out in front of them during a speed trial on a tank trail. No injuries at least.
Currently, I use the JLTV for work and I like it so far. Our M1068s don't really work anymore as a command vehicle so we run the BN FSE out of the JLTV currently until we get a replacement for our M1068s. Rides super nice and has a lot of crew amenities.
You need to check out the new STORMBREAKER system which is strapped to a Small Diameter Bomb. It is an active homing glide bomb kit that can hit MOVING TARGETS. It could be the next revolution in the JDAM type tech!
@@joshuajoaquin5099 StormBreaker takes ordinary "dumb bombs" and not only makes them smart like the JDAM does. It turns them into AUTONOMOUS GLIDE BOMBS capable of hitting a moving target. That's one step above a JADM. Just program it, release it, and move along to the next target! Range for the Small Diameter Bomb version (the one tested) is approaching 100km when released at altitude.
I have had the joy (yeah, right!) of operating several variants of US Army vehicles on interstate highways during my time with the N.C. ANG and the Michigan ANG. Back in 1989, with the Michigan ANG, we went to our annual training at Camp Grayling Joint Maneuver Training Center about 200 miles from our armory and it took over 9 hours to get the convoy to our destination. I drove up in a standard US Army semi-truck/trailer pulling a unit CP. That was awful since the passenger seat was non-existent as it was really just a box with pad that I sat on. For the ride back though...that was in a Vietnam Era Jeep (proper Jeep made Jeep) with a soft top and it was a load and uncomfortable trip. Many years later after going to college and joining the NCANG I got the privilege of driving the Humvee on the interstate. I was in JAG Unit and we traveled to various armories for handle various legal affairs. I will never forget just how loud those things were on the Interstate, yeah they shake violently and are extremely loud at highway speeds. For that matter, they are loud just sitting there idling! The newer vehicles are so much better designed than the ones we had 15+ years ago!
@@bwilk6372 well it's just that I live in San Diego, and I never see officers or NCOs rolling around between our 20 military bases in HumVees. They got Hyundai Elantra hybrids with DoD plates.
@@MrTaxiRob It's great to know our military is authorized to buy foreign vehicles. It doesn't matter, because it's a hybrid! I'm glad to know we're screwing the American workers so we can "go green"...because...you know...no U.S. auto makers offer any hybrids...right?!!
The HMMWV has done all that's been asked of it. When it's up-armored, it can take a beating. However, mobility & payload capacity suffers. According to Oshkosh, that's what lead to the development of the JLTV. It was an attempt to restore good automotive performance at an acceptable level of protection. Again, there's nothing wrong with the HMMWV. In fact, they're not replacing them all. The JLTV will be issued, primarily, to the combat arms units. They aren't going to issue JLTV's to a Quartermaster unit. They are back behind friendly lines. If IED's are a threat there, they'll send properly equipped Combat Engineers or MP's to locate those devices, and have the Engineers destroy them. So, REMF's don't need JLTV's, and most likely won't have them. They'll stick with the HMMWV, which still works, just fine.
Great comment, as a former Airborne Infantryman I loved your use of the word REMF. I think the US military should get something even more economical to operate and repair than the HUMMWV, like the old Jeep, but updated for the 21st century.
@@sgtmayhem7567 I don't know if you were aware, but back in 2009, the USMC did just that. They purchased the M1161 & M1163 Growler. The few former Marines who commented on the video I watched, complained that they were complete POS's. However, a company that specializes, at least partly, in purchasing & refurbing the ones available through DRMO, claims that he thinks they make great civilian vehicles. So, who knows, you know that Joe Snuffy can break ANYTHING he sets his mind to; and it's not exactly uncommon for servicemen to complain about the vehicles they have. That's nothing new. So, maybe the USMC was really onto something good with the M1161, and just decided, for whatever reason, to abandon it for something else...from either new requirements, or political reasons. As you know, the they tend to go hand-in-hand. 🤔
Depends honestly, some quartermaster unit such as my Brigade Support Battalion I'm stationed at already have those, our supply warehouse also have jltv parts
It will make a good battlefield taxi behind the lines. With the way things are now with drones and ATGMS in abundance, the battlefield has radically changed since I left in 2007. Drone detection systems need to be a must now on any battlefield.
I absolutely love the look of the JLTV. It would be so cool if Oshkosh offered a scaled down civilian version, obviously without the weapons systems and armor, but maintaining it’s off road capability.
Currently serving in the USMC. The HMMWV is a good truck, but almost every time I drove one, or we had one for an operation, something would go wrong, and would have to be towed back to base. Drivin HMMWV offroad and on road and it was not comfortable. They jltv on the other hand, is just amazing. Only gripe I have about it is how loud it is on the inside while at highway speeds, but the fact that it can do highway speeds is all I care about. Driving the jltv offroad is amazing. So smooth and comfortable, and just handles rough terrain like it's not even there. 10/10 wish I could buy my own jltv😂
A little on the armor. JLTV has been designed to comply with the U.S. Army's Long Term Armor Strategy (LTAS). The LTAS system follows an A-kit/B-kit principle, with vehicles designed "fitted for, but not with" protection. Protection kits can be installed and uninstalled from vehicles in the field using basic tools. The A-kit is fitted on the production line and is a combination of a limited amount of armoring, in difficult-to-access areas of the vehicle, together with a significant amount of armor installation attachments and required support structures. The bulk of the armor, the B-kit, is installed in the field on an as-required basis.[6] Two soldiers can install B-kit armor in five hours. An 800-pound RPG protection kit can be installed in two hours at field-level maintenance and completed by the crew within 30 minutes.[72] The JLTV offers protection levels greater than those of up-armored HMMWVs and comparable to those of original MRAP class designs, but in an overall vehicle package that is considerably smaller and lighter than vehicles procured under the U.S. Marines MRAP procurement.[73] The benefits of the A-kit/B-kit principle are that armor is only fitted when required, reducing vehicle wear and tear and, by default, whole lifecycle costs. Improvements and/or upgrades to armor are also far easier to integrate into an appliqué solution. No quantity for JLTV armoring kits has yet been disclosed, but it is anticipated that the estimated $65,000 kits will be procured on a one kit to three vehicle basis.[6] The overall protection will include a spall liner to minimize perforation effects within a vehicle when the vehicle takes hostile fire.[74][75] The JLTV has an automatic fire-extinguishing system to protect the crew cabin.[72] Fuel tanks are mounted externally and shielded by the JLTV structure. Each crew seat has a combined seat and blast restraint device. Ingress time for a crew of four in combat equipment is 30 seconds or less. Egress with B-kit doors is within 10 seconds.[72] The only weight-related data officially released includes a gross vehicle weight of 10,266 lb. Payload for the two-door variant is quoted as 2,318 kg, payload for the four-door variant is quoted as 1,590 kg. The USMC required a vehicle that can be transported by their current and planned systems. In April 2009, Marine Corps Commandant James Conway warned that the Marine Corps "will not buy a vehicle that's 20,000 lb."[76]
I was in logistics in the USMC, I was an LVS operator. Most of my cohorts and I did not like and avoid the Humvee whenever we could. I would take the 7 ton or the LVS even though they are larger vehicles. I never got the chance to drive these new vehicles.
The LVS/MK48 was really an interesting vehicle in the USMC. They retired them a long time ago with the LVSR which comes as the MKR15-MKR18 and then there's the MMRS.Honestly,it's just the USMC's own verison and armored copy of the Army's PLS.On the other hand,even though production discontinued it's awesome that the Navy Seabees and USMC will hold onto the MTVR's for a long time.
As a former 82nd Airborne Recon Plt gun Jeep commander I thought HUMMWVS looked like Cadillacs. These JLTVs are just awesome, our troops deserve the very best in a combat zone. It’s no surprise there are rollovers these vehicles are being operated by young guys full of piss and vinegar. You know the old saying “a GI can break a steel ball with a rubber mallet”. These vehicles are too expensive and too costly to run to be used for day to day errands military in CONUS, Europe and other secure areas US military needs to get an economical vehicle for day to day usage in CONUS, Europe and other secure areas. This is another great video, lots of facts and well presented.
I was one of the first ones in my unit to get the license for the JLTV after 2 years of driving the HMMWVs and I can say that the JLTVs are Cadillacs off-road. It went everywhere I wanted it to and didn't wreck my spine compared to the Hummer.
I was a Motor Transport maintenance chief in the Marines when my unit started getting these things. They were fantastic to drive and are great vehicles to ride, but a lot of the maintenance had to be done by contractors and they seem like they are going to be an absolute pain in the ass on to work on when they break down. They are 5 times more complex than HMMWVs and have way more systems built in. I worry that once they get into combat, the vehicle readiness is going to plummet when the unit mechanics can't fix them. Also there have been many other rollovers. A prominent one in the Marines was a student driver flipping 2 vehicles simultaneously during a vehicle towing course
With it being that big and heavy, I don't really see the point anymore. They could just have replaced all the HMMWVs with Strykers and it basically would have been the same.
Yeah the older cold war vehicles are super easy to troubleshoot and repair. The new stuff uses allot of stuff see in modern cars. I was damn good at repairing Bradley's and recovery vehicles. But it wasn't until I went to diesel tech school where I got a associate degree and Fords FACT, and Cummins Engines electives, that I understood just how god awful trained I was as a mechanic and especially in engine repair and electrical troubleshooting and repair. My god I would ruled my motor pool just as a E5 LOL. We learned absolutely dick in AIT and not much more from our leaders from there on. Everything I learned in the Army was experience and reading manuals. I was good for a Army mechanic. But as soon as dealership recruiters came to our school and I was still new in school. And they heard me say I only had 15 years Army training and experience. Every single one just shut down immediately. Military mechanic training is notorious among civilians as very sub par. So I can only imagine how things are going to be when these things are in war and the contractors are nowhere around lol. It won't be Russia in Ukraine bad but it won't be pretty either.
@@Soulessdeeds Exactly. You are taught the most basic of maintenance in the schoolhouse and then just thrown to the units to learn how to do the actual work. Like I said, a lot of the work on these vehicles HAVE to be done by contractors so our guys aren't even being taught how to do the work. The suspension system is the biggest one, it's run by a high pressure nitrogen gas system and my guys weren't even allowed to touch it, much less learn how to troubleshoot and fix it. Even the MATVs and other gen 2 MRAPs weren't nearly that hard to fix once you learned the tricks to removing the armor.
I have seen and used Osh vehicles since 1986 with HEMIT Trucks and other families of vehicles. Osh has always made a good system, I wish GM did the same, but I have no love for their garbage. I saw recently Osh had a JLTV with a turret with a Bushmaster 25mm. That looked beyond bad ass!
I always wanted the HEMTT tractor with a Lowboy hauler to be fitted with an M198 155mm Howitzer with the M1 Abrams electric turret drive and turret ring base on it. Just drop 4 jack stands (like on Oshkosh's rotator rigs) and start shooting. The lowboy rig would be low enough to the ground that the entire gun crew could run the M198 from the ground and you'd have a 360-degree traverse. Uncle Sam should have modded the M198s after the M777 came out.
I drove it twice, it feels like a SUV. Just like many vehicles in the army this one needs to air up too in order to move, difference is the JLTV have a "rise up" mode which lift the chassis higher as part of the SOP, you can still drive it without rising it but recommended only in low speed.
My experience supporting operators of these trucks basically comes down to three things; 1. Operators love how they drive and the additional features (like pretty good AC) and more room in the back to store the containers worth of BII they carry around. 2. At least half the trucks are down for maintenance at any given point and contractors do by far the most work. It's not to throw shade at Army Maintainers but it's a newer system and you can't just hand a private a tool box and tell them good luck (saw alot of that while I was in). 3. You do have roll over issues, software problems (looking at you commanders display) and werid lack of GPS brackets (if you know, you know) for a subsystem in the truck. These should have been fixed prior to mass fielding. It's kinda like a modern video game debut where a bunch of features are missing and it's filled with bugs but it's still fun. They say after spending hundreds of millions of dollars that they'll fix it over several patches but can't promise when that'll be so your stuck with only half what you payed for.
Thanks for the information. My son said learning to drive them is horrible because of poor visibility out the windows. They are also difficult to transport by helicopter or Osprey. They weigh a lot.
I live a few miles away from the factory, so I see JLTVs out for test drives all the time (and MRAPs and HEMTTs). Gotten stuck behind them in traffic more than once. The local hobby store always has a few models of various Oshkosh trucks, and it's not uncommon that I'll be looking at the model kit while the real thing rolls by just outside. By the way, the correct pronunciation is actually "Slosh-kosh" (I've never been entirely sure if it's an insult, a term of endearment, or both).
The JTLV is only meant to replace the armored humvees in combat zones and contested areas. The humvee will still remain in service in the role it was build for, a multi purpose 4x4 vehicle meant for everyday use behind the front lines, and in uncontested areas.
I really like the jltv. It looks menacing, is very practical, and is an off-roading beast. You can tell it means business when it comes to off road due to the long lower control arms which allows for greater suspension articulation and travel. It’s very impressive
The two-seat open bed version of the JLTV is just sweet Polaris also makes an extreme light weight off road vehicle for airborn deployment. I'm curious if the Amry looks into something to replace the humvee in the back lines to reduce the fuel waste in theater.
You should make a review of the Iveco LMV, there's an entire "Megafactories" documentary about it (but when i tried to upload it it was taken down almost immediately)
I used Oshkosh MTVR and M-ATV in Iraq/Afghanistan. Everything they make is amazing. Along with Toyota, it is the only company I trust 100%. Edit: Also, I have no love for the Humvee. They were terrible even considering their intended purpose.
@@swaghauler8334 I drove one at Bragg 74-75. POS wouldn't downshift; if ya wanted to slow down ya had to come to a stop, then start over. How effed-up is that?
What is its STANAG protection level? I haven't found any sources talking about it, and it's kinda useful when you wanna compare it to other similar vehicles.
@@swaghauler8334 I know, it means STANdarisation AGreement to be precise (if I recall). And I meant the STANAG 4569 norm here, which describes protection levels for light vehicles.
I could be wrong but I feel like I remember both the MAT-V and MRAP having ~ 1/2" of armor about all around. (Probably more on the bottom v hull, I never looked). I remember asking if a dshka could shoot through our MRAP and nobody knew. I don't think it would have stopped it
I’ve TC’d many a JLTV. They perform really well and are great to ride in if you are wearing body armor, if not it’s really uncomfortable. Also it’s extremely loud inside and out. You’ll hear this thing coming a long way away.
I had a mutt jeep with no armor. It was agile and very capable of getting across off road hazards. They took that jeep away and gave me a Hummer. It was way less agile and any large grade variances or terrain stability was an issue. The reality is the dividing line of armored or unarmored vehicles. I was a forward observer and needed to be fast over a wide range of terrain. I relied on recon and intel to determine areas that we could operate in. If that intel was bad then we were boned anyway. We chose to go in harms way with the intel that we had and it worked. The reality in war is that someone was going to get the short straw. The hummer was a down grade in this role. Higher vis, horrible offroad ability, and cumbersome. The weight to engine power was horrible. I can't imagine how an even heavier vehicle would have performed. There should be a standard for light unarmored vehicles for recon and fast troop movements, then a light armor vehicle that protects from shoulder fired rounds when speed is crucial to reinforce the front line, then the medium armored vehicles for the reinforcement troops to get to the rear areas to start the fobs and logistic support areas through potentially compromised routes of travel. Air conditioning is a luxury. Once acclimated to the local environment is not an issue. If you are hot, stick your head out the window. When the Hummers first came out, I was out at 29 palms and three were rolled and one caused a major injury. I had enough clout to keep my mutt and likely was one of the last in the field. When you are blazing new paths, be fast and agile. When you are following those paths, be careful and prepared for shoulder fired weapons, when you are travelling established roads, be prepared for IEDs and other non-conventional weapons. The reality is push hard with motorized, follow up with mechanized, then support with air mobile. The money spent on armored third wave support should be spent on air mobile assets and then assets to remove anti air targets.
@@SonsOfLorgar That's the old motorcycle scouts conundrum one man can do a lot, BUT a dedicated driver and two other people looking and thinking will be more effective. Geoff Who wants one of those magical AI threat detectors, but all they do is find liberal politicians....
That knowledge is gold, i hope someone uses it. Or do we know all the answers onlyno one asks us questiions any morte coz we're old and wrinkly? Min d you what's fast nowadays? Back in 1870 a mule was faster than a marching column across bad terrain - so aa mule was fast and heaaavy carry. . Thats how we ggoyt pack artillerty. The british rmy llost its lastmules for jeep towed artillery in 1943/. So fas jeeep might not be fast enugh now. Jet Pack? My solytion was a heavilyy armored carrer, powerfull off road capable, and fast lightly armorrredd vehicle for he last few miles into the arera. The lightest spasest dismounted trooops crry shulder launched something or other, So tttttth days of jeeps are gone I'm afrid.
I’m have noticed that “light” vehicles have become heavier in the last few decades. Are there missions that require a true light vehicle? Are these roles now the domain of off-the-shelf vehicles such a Toyota pickup “technical” trucks?
Light, basically unarmoured vehicles like the HMMWV and such proved to be too vulnerable in conditions where mines and IEDs are a threat. So either you meet this with improved vehicles that provide ballistic protection (and are mechanically durable enough to carry it), or you put your personnel at risk. And it's easier and cheaper to upgrade to things like the JLTV than it is to deal with the added casualties that would result from going with a lighter, cheaper vehicle.
It's great to see you putting out more reviews! Thanks!! I have gotten to walk around a couple at a rest stop, and they are HUGE! They dwarf Humvees and could carry a WWII Jeep inside the cabin!! Isn't the Humvee being kept as a rear area light cargo vehicle where the size and expense of the JLTV not necessary?
My issue is it seems the JLTV's computer systems are not "grunt proof." The start up and shut down process for these vehicles do not seem to be designed for the lowest common denominator in high stress situations.
You can do anything with this thing. The marines are even making them remotely operated and putting 2 NSM's on them. Basically, a coastal sentinel. How cool is that?!
In other words. Soon it will be ai controlling them. How "great" cant wait for algorithms to decide life or death at the flip of a politician's finger.
@@RK-cj4oc What part of human in the loop don't you get? A human will always be the one pulling the trigger, it is part of military protocol. An AI will never decide to release a weapon, you're making shit up.
@@BravoCheesecake If you can have something remote controlled. Then you can eventually put it on AI. For now humans decide. Once tech is cheap enough humans wont decide anything.
The JLTV is really a light armored vehicle. It was designed as such, and because of this doesn't have the problems the armored version of HMMWV does. The question is, what percentage of the US military's light vehicles need this level of armor protection? For ones that down the HMMWV is fine, and much cheaper.
In my opinion the goal should be to have 100% of military vehicles with at least minimal protection. In modern warfare there is no safe zone behind static battle lines. Attacks can happen anywhere.
The only ones that need armor protection are the ones that will get hit by a mine, IED, or small arms fire. If anyone knows which ones those are - please sound off.
Hmmm.... Put a boat-like lower hull on them and water jet? Now you have a fast lander for the USMC that can haul a fire team ashore and start suppressing fire . A few with switchblade drone modules could also be tasked with anti armor and artillery suppresion? Maybe have a deep scxout version with coffin hotel like crew support and put a remote turret and Switchblade module? The remote turret able to mount and M2 and a full spectrum sensor suite with laser marker?
MOD have cancelled the JLTV order they placed a few years ago..... JLTV/AJAX/WARRIOR upgrade...all miss managed. British armed forces..Lions, led by donkey's from Whitehall. Thanks for the upload Mat.
I love the passive amount of camber loss on the rear suspension. That much camber change certainly has to bump steer terribly. You can see it happen as it enters the ditch and looses traction while the vehicle turns perpendicular without the steering input angle changing.
I wonder if you could do an episode on the differences between the JLTV and MATV? Both look mean and I am glad the military finally replaced the Humvees after all the issues we had overseas for years. I hope they incorporate some kind of recon/loitering drone to the vehicles as they could help with recon and maybe real time data link it to blue force trackers. Not sure if that is possible yet but I heard they are working on such capabilities were everyone is getting the same picture from all friendly sources.
JLTV has soft soil mobility the MATV could only dream of. And, has 10Kw Onboard & 10Kw Exportable power, Victory compliant for ease of various electronics, and is 10X as reliable as any HMMWV. MATV Job 1 was PROTECTION. JLTV has it all, or nearly all.
The humvee was supposed to be a second line truck to replace the cucv chevy truck it was never meant to be a front line fighter so anything would work better since this is true armour and not a logistical vehicle like the 1 1/4 k35 chevy followed by the humvee we took a second line truck and added machine or tows and used them on the front line on suprised it worked as well as it did also fuel wise the 6.2 that was in military chevy k35 and blazer k5 was excellent on fuel I had a k30 with the 6.2 and it got 20 mpg top speed sucked at 70mph but then you put the 6.2 in a heavier rig and then the later 6.5 Detroit diesel made it under powered and used more fuel I believe this new ride has the 6.6 durmax is a strong engine even though I wonder why they didn't use a simpler design like 5.9 Cummins or 6.7 Cummins with close to the hp and I'm not knocking gm I love the gm trucks and engines but Going through diesel school the 6bt Cummins was so much easier to work on but I guess they got a good deal from gm but just alot more computers between turbo and injector that could cause headaches and I know the 6.7 was electronic controlled but you could get the 5.9 12v full mechanical and having friends with diesel pulling trucks you can make a ton of power some trade offs of survivability but instead of 800 hp pulling engine they could of split the difference at 400ish and not have the worries of computers and coming from someone that has worked on the dmax and Cummins the inline 6 is extremely easy to work on but like I said I love the durmax but ease of pmi and mantaince I'd take an inline 6 Cummins anyday over a v8 duramax but still a mean engine for this new support vehicle sorry to be so winded
The i actually got a chance to see one of these in person it was on the back of a semi truck in fact it was three of them I thought it looked kinda cool and the next day heading down the interstate I passed a couple of National guard humvees on the road the vehicle it is ment to replace talk about that being a strange deal😂
The SF folks have much HIGHER GT scores than the rest of the Army...and much more maturity. That comes in handy all around, as compared to a bunch of 26 year old PV2s who beat around for years before enlisting, and suddenly become Automotive Engineers - in their minds.
I think the JLTV is a game changer. With tanks and attack helicopters being unreliable from new missiles and drones. I think this vehicle will be the new tactical standard for ground based warfare. considering there are multiple weapons packages compatible with the vehicle. Some of them are anti-tank and anti-drone, but the main thing is if one gets hit it’s much more economical than other vehicles.
Been watching a few armored Humvs videos in Ukraine and they did pretty well, some got damaged but they did supply some good troop support. Bigger vehicles may not be able to preform on the small muddy roads .
We used the JLTV in Afghanistan in 11-12. It was a decent platform there, the AC was fantastic which is good, however their ability to move across sideslopes when we had them in Germany a few years later was suboptimal.
It’s probably by far the best light vehicle especially with its modularity and high level of protection and much greater passenger comfort than the Humvee
When the military came to Montana to fight forest fires, our Chevy 1 tons loaded down with fuel and tools could go more places than the humvee's. They were to wide and couldn't maneuver through the narrow mountain roads we worked in for decades..
Which is also why none of the European NATO countries uses Humvees if they had a choise, they are just too wide and bulky for European roads and woodlands, especially the kind very common in rolling hills and ridged rural areas where farmers build field enclosures with the granite rocks they clear out of their fields, and when a significant number of those fields has been farmed since before Leif Eriksson found his way to Newfoundland, those field enclosures are thick, tall and won't care about any vehicle lighter than an MBT...
Had an MATV on its side half full of water in a canal for nearly 24 hrs before we got it out. Damned if it didn’t start right up and drive under its own power back to the COP.
Idk if I'm just a crazy civilian but it seems like what the US really needs is another half track. The main problem with tracks is that they suck to maintain, right? But apparently the old US half tracks used a track that was basically a giant tire/rubber band. The US could use a system like that again, invent back wheels kit that is easily replaceable in the field.
The thing I am most concerned about is the strategic mobility - at some cost to tactical mobility. The point being the ability to be airlifted in substantial numbers - particularly important for the USA, as the cost of having troops stationed in other countries. If that can be done there is the possibility of deploying faster than today, and we are talking 48 hours to anywhere on the globe. The trick is actually to be dug in defensive positions BEFORE the nasties (did You understand that one Vladimir??), because given defensive positions taken - then light forces are just as good as heavy. The other point is in keeping the logistical burden down, so the force can be supplied from air transport and basically stay in place - till the enemy gets tired and retire home. The ablity to counterpunch light tanks is essential, as the vehicles are liable to hold position where only light tanks can go - I'm thinking here of a vehicle like the Wiesel. The other point is the ability to have the combined arms: Infantry, cavallery and artilleri. We are seeing these days what happens if the combined arms does not work. The russians should perhaps also have used the brigade as the primary operational unit - instead of the battallion. The other point is that hanging on to outdated equipment is dangerous. The T-72 is conceptually outdated as the opposition have developed and made the autoloader a liability. It was a great idea when AGM had the limitation of being forced to hit the best protected part. But the enemy is inconvienient and now hit the "soft" spots. Not that I am against autoloaders in principle, but the bustle is perhaps a better storage for the ammunition - the T-72 arrangement is clearly not working today when 10 -15 tanks (on average) are lost and 2-2½ times that number in infantry armoured vehicles. But that is perhaps rather an indication of lack of qualified infantry. Finally: Airborne troops do need a considerable element of surprise or they are toast against modest local defence volunteers. One should have thought that the russians learned something from Remagen?
@@DeltaCain13 Very good question! Lets examine them: Strategic/operational/tactical mobility is a question of the difficulty and speed of moving the force where you want it against the protection of the vehicles. As to protection: Lets use the Nato Standard designations (STANAG) Level 1,2,3,4,5,6. The odd numbers are really the level corresponding to light, medium, heavy protection. The even numbers are a beefed up versions of the previous odd level indication that the enemy has had time to bring some of their nefarious plans into action. Light forces can be airlifted into any airfield/-strip that can take a C-130 Hercules which is practical in so far, as the russian doctrine mentiones taking f.i. airfields first by the use of helicopters and parachutist - hence the designation of air assault. Such an airfield can be secured by local defence volunteers in a matter of hours and be preplanned each with a number of prepared positions. The light force has the advantage of choosing among a large number of possible airfields The light forces might not be able to move around after an attact has started, but given they are placed in positions that the enemy must pass (and their supply trucks) they don't have to be moved. The light forces will be light on the transport requirement as well, because they use aircraft that does not NEED an airfield. We saw an example of that in Ukraine. The russians wanted to take Hostomel airport and was butchered by local defence and the mere thought of bringing in troops with Candid could be rejected out of hand, as time was gained to bring somewhat serious firepower. Not only would the idiot be blown to smithereens, but ekspensive and irreplaceable aircraft would be lost. The USA cannot be absolutely certain that they land on an uncontested airfield with their big, fat, lumbering irreplaceable Globemasters - they need more warning. The case of Denmark is that we need only the time it takes the transport to fly to a Baltic country or Poland, Bulgaria or whatever. This is a scenario that has been practised. A air-policing mission was moved forward by three weeks when Helle Thorning-Schmidt was PM. As soon as the matter was decided in parliament the F-16 collected the undercarridge on their way. The spies in the Defence Forces and Parliament had not the remotest incling of what was going on and could as such not inform their superiors, that know about their disgusting habits with children or their strained financial situation. Furthermore: The light forces can be kept supplied - their logistic footprint is smaller: Their rounds are lighter, their vehicles need less fuel and can be sourced locally - and the food can be supplied to the locals as well.
The medium forces are road transportable on their own wheels. In Denmarks case they will get ahead of the rush-hour and be on their merry way before our dear allied are found in beds that was NOT in the official list. Generally the roads in Europe goes along rivers which in case of Eastern Europe is north south. The bottleneck is the east -west as everybody scrambles to get where they are supposed to. North-South will be free (for the supply trucks as well) and an 8*8 can use secondary roads to good effect and cross old bridges that tanks can't 60 tons is over the top for the bridge over the old mill-race. The heavy forces must be transported by sea. Which is not the largest problem in the world, as there are good ferry connections in the Baltic. The problem is the road between the port and (sherry - the place they are supposed to be.)
You should have a look at the Australian *Bushmaster* High Protection Mobility Vehicle. It was available for the US at the start of the 2nd Gulf War, but being a foreign design that meant that even being built under licence in America would mean profits going away from the US MIC. They did examine a few of them but decided against it, however they designed the MRAP soon after. But being Americans they made it a lot bigger, a lot heavier and _a lot thirstier_ than the Bushmaster (or Bushie). It's a interesting vehicle, a case of just being lucky and coming up with something that fit the requirements _before the requirements were known_ to be needed, back in the late 90's. Based on a South African mine resistant police vehicle, it was designed for long range desert patrols and being IED resistant, while having civilian driving controls. And then suprise, what sort of mission profile is suddenly needed in the early 2000's? While the JTLV is a more appropriate and advanced vehicle for the needs of the US military, it did not exist in a production version ready and waiting to be mass produced during the Iraq and Afghanistan operations.
Imo the military personnel transportation vehicles since the Jeep make what should be pretty simple too complicated. They should really just take a standard Jeep Rubicon or Bronco Sasquatch, armor it up, modify the engine and ECU to run military gas, flatten and skid plate the undercarriage (like the Humvee), and be done with it. For getting from point A to B, most of the time, that's all they'll need. They can have these bigger vehicles for more serious situations. The consumer vehicles will be more familiar to the troops and almost certainly be more fuel efficient (especially if they go with hybrids).
"Standard" vehicles have ZERO ability to handle the armor. Just about all parts of the vehicle start breaking; suspension, transmission, brakes, drive train, etc. IT DOESN'T WORK...unless al the vehicle will do s drive very slowly on totally paved roads at slow speeds.
Matt you said you didn’t have air con. Thought you were REME ? Run the apu on the 512/513 and on the op panel in the 3rd man seat there’s a switch. Says air cool 😎. Tell me you knew this. Ok got to admit it wasn’t exactly good but it was there 😜
it definitely looks cool, and just like the old snatch land rovers, its not hard to get something better than a humvee. I’m gonna get a lot of hate for this but I’ve never liked the humvee, its just such a wide vehicle for only four seats and a turret, and i think it’s in general over rated.
I have a similiar opinion of this vehicle. Extremely tall 14 tons for just 4 people and a gunner that guzzles fuel like there's no tommorow. All they needed to do was put that "modular" bit at the back under armour and at 2 or 4 more seats and BAM, but no...
HMMWV's have been around a longg time. They were probably nice when they came out but if you were to throw a 50 cal machine gun and some armor on literally any truck it would do better lol
@@MatoVuc People are so obsessed with flashy bells and whistles they forget the issues with the JLTV shaping up to being so overweight and a much bigger higher center of gravity target for what it is intended to replace. The front of the JLTV also has the engine housing over hanging the front where a base Humvee can put its front wheels into the thing it needs to climb. I try not to piss myself into an aneurysm over it, but the military makes some really dumb fucking decisions. The M8 being bureaucratically delay jerked around for three decades to be overridden by a really wrong design for the need to replace the Sheridan has me at a simmer. Progress for the sake of progress is retarded.
I was a Bradley mechanic and Recovery operator during the first rotation into Iraq and even was there during the second and third rotations. I saw our Hummvs get absolutely shredded by nuts and bolts that were laid around IEDs. The vehicles looked like someone shot bird shot at paper targets. They 1114s with the upgraded armor plate and the shrapnel went straight through them. The damn ballistic glass was the toughest part of the trucks. During my 2nd tour I was assigned to the 101st ABN ( loaned to them) at FOB Normandy. They already had 8 Hummvs destroyed by IED by the time i arrived. I was assigned to them because their colonel demanded better armor protection. So he got pre-po Bradley's from Kuwait. 13 to be exact. By the time they rotated back to the states 8 months later 11 of the Bradley's were coded out. 5 of which burned down due to the IEDs striking fuel cell under the turret. Hell I towed two of them while they were still burning because I wasn't waiting for Haji to wake up want to play. Anyways when I was in Kuwait at start of the 2nd tour I was sent with our smo to boneyard in Kuwait for Hummv parts scrounging. The Hummv boneyard was honestly one of two times I cried during that time. The trucks were all snapshots of how destructive IEDs are. It was a pitiful sight. And the yard was multiple football fields big and that was just the 2nd tour starting and just the Hummvs. Every time I rode in a Hummv going FOB to FOB. I never once felt remotely safe. They were Coffins on wheels in Iraq. The thousands of soldiers who did missions in those things were god damn brave and deserve allot of credit. I am grateful that the Army is replacing the Hummvs. But it should have been done before Iraq was ever a thing.
The politicians never should have sent you to Iraq in the first place but I appreciate and respect what you did there and went through. Cannot even begin to imagine what it was like.
What kind of crap did they teach you in the military? Hajis are from India, duh.
@@Alex-co7cq at least with iraq there's something to show. Not like afghanistan, at least not ended like that war was.
@@MrTaxiRob
It's like a slur for arabs, hadji is a muslim who made a pilgrimage to the mecca
Haji is a slur based off of the latter
Like the British snatch landrover were death traps there not for armoured warfare at all troops should be in boxer type vehicles are IFV .
I live in Wisconsin, we actually toured Oshkosh Defense in high school. They had a whole room on our route dedicated to the JLTV, all of the engineering that went into it was super impressive. I wish I remembered more of it now 😅
Metoo
in high-school I got to visit general dynamics in Saco they had a room with the mk48 and m60E3
When I was in school in Odessa, TX - we took a field trip to Lubbock to see the tree.
I’m from wisconsin too, was super proud… until I used them. Swapped HMMWVs for JLTVs as a cav platoon leader. They suck. Too big (the only way to get a light skin vehicle to survive is through having it present a small observable object). Tiny windows, no situational awareness etc
Thanks for verifying the existence existence of Wisconsin I've had doubts
Marine here! We use JLTVs a lot and I really like them. They're WAY better than the piece of shit Humvees, and WAY more comfortable. I do have a problem with how the doors dont have an automatic assist to open it, like most vehicles. Its heavy AF! I'd imagine if it rolled onto it's side, trying to open that bitch would be impossible! Hooking radios up to them is also very simple, and I love how the vehicle tells you everything that's wrong with it. All in all, from an 0621 experience, 10/10!
I drove an uparmored from pendleton to 29 twice and from Pendle to Yuma once as well. I'm so glad they're gone now.
The HMMWV was meant to be a utility car/truck not an armored car. It’s not it’s fault the Army and the Marines were too stupid to understand that.
I’m a 21 too, the only thing I don’t like is the doors, I got my hand caught in a door and broke all my fingers getting into one, but I definitely love them, especially the mrc 148s
They have the assist option. Just the gov didn't buy them
@@reggiehammer4343 that makes me feel so happy.....
As an infantryman in the Marine Corps that drives the JLTV nearly every day, I've got to say that I absolutely love this beautiful beast! It's better than the HMMWV in every aspect. The fastest speed I've ever gotten the JLTV up to is 90mph, which is pretty fast for something of that weight.
better man than me going 90, lmao
It will be interesting to see how long the Humvee will stick around now that it can more likely stay in the rear where the expense of this thing isn't quite needed.
It will definately stick around for a while since it's initial role was back line trrop transport in the first place.
It could prolly be retrofitted/upgraded to an EV since it could pile on so much weight in armor in the sandbox. Would help with roll overs 2.
They need to upgrade the motor to the 6.5 though. That's only a top-end motor rebuild but it would add about 20% more horsepower, something the HUMMER desperately needs.
They forbid the use of them outside the wire in combat zones after about 2012. We've been using the M-ATV. Both kinda suck for different reasons. I hope this is better, as it seems to be the best parts of both.
The ironic thing is that the original humvee was light, like you said. Now, the army and Marines have been fielding light tactical vehicles that essentially do what the original humvee did with a better engine and suspension. Vehicles like the Flyer 60 and 72.
@@theimmortal4718 The "light" unarmored vehicles do nothing of importance that the ORIGINAL HMMWV didn't do. They added some trivial capability and said it was superior because of blah blah blah BS. They bamboozled some generals...one of whom is now retired & the VP of a company making the little vehicle. Ain't that heart-warming? No fraud waste abuse in those programs....
@@Buck123four
I disagree. Instead of having one platform trying to be everything from light trucks to armored cars, we will have separate vehicles to do that. The JLTV is superior to the M1114 in every way.
I have had the honor to work in a business that fills a small but important role in the JLTV project, I handle armored parts for the JLTV and have also handled thousands of armored parts for packages that go on the humvee, and I'm glad to see how much more protection some one riding in the B-kit JLTV is offered compared to the armored humvee, I can also say the quality controll on the JLTV project is impressive, traceability is taken EXTREEMLY seriously so if for example a window frame fails in combat, or has cracked welds or even its paint falls off oshkosh or the US millitary can quarantine those parts and find out when, and where they were produced, if documentation is lost for a part no matter how large or expensive it has to be scrapped so that way oshkosh or worst case the millitary is ensured it can find the source of a failure
That is amazing, isn't it? Tracing simple things & IDing who worked on it...
@@Buck123four considering the "quality" of people in the American work force, yes it is
When I worked at Raytheon we had to sign off on every single part assembled. I think it helped keep everyone honest in their work
Software bugs have the least priority when it comes to JLTV. As time passes those can be easily patched up by installing new software.
That's been the DoD's attitude to servicing their employee portals, too...
As a programmer I agree bugs can always be fixed later on.
As in Windows? Don´t you say ;-)
I don't believe it's the software, but the hardware. Heat and liquids are just bad for computer systems.
@@orlock20 The water doesnt touch the computers but holy shit the heat sure does especially in the Abrams and Bradleys
At the 16:11 mark, the story of the roll over was funny because I was in the training class. To be fair though it happened due to a humvee pulling out in front of them during a speed trial on a tank trail. No injuries at least.
Currently, I use the JLTV for work and I like it so far. Our M1068s don't really work anymore as a command vehicle so we run the BN FSE out of the JLTV currently until we get a replacement for our M1068s. Rides super nice and has a lot of crew amenities.
You need to check out the new STORMBREAKER system which is strapped to a Small Diameter Bomb. It is an active homing glide bomb kit that can hit MOVING TARGETS. It could be the next revolution in the JDAM type tech!
that tech already existed
@@joshuajoaquin5099 StormBreaker takes ordinary "dumb bombs" and not only makes them smart like the JDAM does. It turns them into AUTONOMOUS GLIDE BOMBS capable of hitting a moving target. That's one step above a JADM. Just program it, release it, and move along to the next target! Range for the Small Diameter Bomb version (the one tested) is approaching 100km when released at altitude.
@@swaghauler8334 Yeah, that tech has been around for a while now.
@@Lukyan Name the system then. STORMBREAKER makes a JDAM, AUTONOMOUS... as in fire and forget it.
@@Lukyan - maybe he's on the marketing team, who knows. But yes, the tech is already existing. Fair point
I have had the joy (yeah, right!) of operating several variants of US Army vehicles on interstate highways during my time with the N.C. ANG and the Michigan ANG. Back in 1989, with the Michigan ANG, we went to our annual training at Camp Grayling Joint Maneuver Training Center about 200 miles from our armory and it took over 9 hours to get the convoy to our destination. I drove up in a standard US Army semi-truck/trailer pulling a unit CP. That was awful since the passenger seat was non-existent as it was really just a box with pad that I sat on. For the ride back though...that was in a Vietnam Era Jeep (proper Jeep made Jeep) with a soft top and it was a load and uncomfortable trip. Many years later after going to college and joining the NCANG I got the privilege of driving the Humvee on the interstate. I was in JAG Unit and we traveled to various armories for handle various legal affairs. I will never forget just how loud those things were on the Interstate, yeah they shake violently and are extremely loud at highway speeds. For that matter, they are loud just sitting there idling! The newer vehicles are so much better designed than the ones we had 15+ years ago!
why didn't they assign you regular sedans for that kind of work?
@@MrTaxiRob don't question DOD logic, its better to just shake your head go back to what you were doing
@@bwilk6372 well it's just that I live in San Diego, and I never see officers or NCOs rolling around between our 20 military bases in HumVees. They got Hyundai Elantra hybrids with DoD plates.
They didn't call them HUMMERS for nothing! IF you wanted comfort, you should have driven the HEMTT. That drives like an actual civilian truck.
@@MrTaxiRob It's great to know our military is authorized to buy foreign vehicles. It doesn't matter, because it's a hybrid! I'm glad to know we're screwing the American workers so we can "go green"...because...you know...no U.S. auto makers offer any hybrids...right?!!
The HMMWV has done all that's been asked of it. When it's up-armored, it can take a beating. However, mobility & payload capacity suffers. According to Oshkosh, that's what lead to the development of the JLTV. It was an attempt to restore good automotive performance at an acceptable level of protection.
Again, there's nothing wrong with the HMMWV. In fact, they're not replacing them all. The JLTV will be issued, primarily, to the combat arms units. They aren't going to issue JLTV's to a Quartermaster unit. They are back behind friendly lines. If IED's are a threat there, they'll send properly equipped Combat Engineers or MP's to locate those devices, and have the Engineers destroy them. So, REMF's don't need JLTV's, and most likely won't have them. They'll stick with the HMMWV, which still works, just fine.
The only thing taking a beating on an up armored HMMWV is the suspension. That piece of junk was replaced for a reason.
Great comment, as a former Airborne Infantryman I loved your use of the word REMF. I think the US military should get something even more economical to operate and repair than the HUMMWV, like the old Jeep, but updated for the 21st century.
@@sgtmayhem7567 I don't know if you were aware, but back in 2009, the USMC did just that. They purchased the M1161 & M1163 Growler. The few former Marines who commented on the video I watched, complained that they were complete POS's. However, a company that specializes, at least partly, in purchasing & refurbing the ones available through DRMO, claims that he thinks they make great civilian vehicles. So, who knows, you know that Joe Snuffy can break ANYTHING he sets his mind to; and it's not exactly uncommon for servicemen to complain about the vehicles they have. That's nothing new. So, maybe the USMC was really onto something good with the M1161, and just decided, for whatever reason, to abandon it for something else...from either new requirements, or political reasons. As you know, the they tend to go hand-in-hand. 🤔
@@sgtmayhem7567 Honestly, I don't know why we don't operate more off the shelf vehicles for rearline duties.
Depends honestly, some quartermaster unit such as my Brigade Support Battalion I'm stationed at already have those, our supply warehouse also have jltv parts
I loved the footage of them operating on the moon. Very impressive.
Former US Army Recon. OIEF & OEF.
Yes, yes it is.
Scouts out brother.
@@sgtmayhem7567 Six in six out.
It will make a good battlefield taxi behind the lines.
With the way things are now with drones and ATGMS in abundance, the battlefield has radically changed since I left in 2007. Drone detection systems need to be a must now on any battlefield.
I absolutely love the look of the JLTV. It would be so cool if Oshkosh offered a scaled down civilian version, obviously without the weapons systems and armor, but maintaining it’s off road capability.
but no deliveries...
That would be opportunity for the chinese to copy the design
@@kriegsvogel1577 Given their reputation, they might be doing it right now lol.
@@kriegsvogel1577 The Chinese already copied other designs. Things like the Mowag Eagle, Iveco LMV, etc have been around for a while.
Buy a Chevy truck its cheaper
We had the bigger brother, M-ATV, in Afghanistan (2010) but we only used it for QRF because it was way quicker because of the lighter armor.
One of these would make a badass wildland fire truck.
That is the most brilliant thing i heard all day let me just just go and photoshop it real quick
I don't what it's base level is but it has attachment fixtures for various levels armor protection provided in kits and is field installable.
Currently serving in the USMC. The HMMWV is a good truck, but almost every time I drove one, or we had one for an operation, something would go wrong, and would have to be towed back to base. Drivin HMMWV offroad and on road and it was not comfortable. They jltv on the other hand, is just amazing. Only gripe I have about it is how loud it is on the inside while at highway speeds, but the fact that it can do highway speeds is all I care about. Driving the jltv offroad is amazing. So smooth and comfortable, and just handles rough terrain like it's not even there. 10/10 wish I could buy my own jltv😂
Thanks for a good summary. Many people commenting have zero idea what they are talking about...set them straight.
Pmcs is always optional for everyone
A little on the armor.
JLTV has been designed to comply with the U.S. Army's Long Term Armor Strategy (LTAS). The LTAS system follows an A-kit/B-kit principle, with vehicles designed "fitted for, but not with" protection. Protection kits can be installed and uninstalled from vehicles in the field using basic tools. The A-kit is fitted on the production line and is a combination of a limited amount of armoring, in difficult-to-access areas of the vehicle, together with a significant amount of armor installation attachments and required support structures. The bulk of the armor, the B-kit, is installed in the field on an as-required basis.[6] Two soldiers can install B-kit armor in five hours. An 800-pound RPG protection kit can be installed in two hours at field-level maintenance and completed by the crew within 30 minutes.[72] The JLTV offers protection levels greater than those of up-armored HMMWVs and comparable to those of original MRAP class designs, but in an overall vehicle package that is considerably smaller and lighter than vehicles procured under the U.S. Marines MRAP procurement.[73]
The benefits of the A-kit/B-kit principle are that armor is only fitted when required, reducing vehicle wear and tear and, by default, whole lifecycle costs. Improvements and/or upgrades to armor are also far easier to integrate into an appliqué solution. No quantity for JLTV armoring kits has yet been disclosed, but it is anticipated that the estimated $65,000 kits will be procured on a one kit to three vehicle basis.[6] The overall protection will include a spall liner to minimize perforation effects within a vehicle when the vehicle takes hostile fire.[74][75]
The JLTV has an automatic fire-extinguishing system to protect the crew cabin.[72] Fuel tanks are mounted externally and shielded by the JLTV structure. Each crew seat has a combined seat and blast restraint device. Ingress time for a crew of four in combat equipment is 30 seconds or less. Egress with B-kit doors is within 10 seconds.[72] The only weight-related data officially released includes a gross vehicle weight of 10,266 lb. Payload for the two-door variant is quoted as 2,318 kg, payload for the four-door variant is quoted as 1,590 kg. The USMC required a vehicle that can be transported by their current and planned systems. In April 2009, Marine Corps Commandant James Conway warned that the Marine Corps "will not buy a vehicle that's 20,000 lb."[76]
10 seconds to egress can be an eternity when you've been hit and start to burn.
Watch this channel after a while. The new into song is DOPE AF.
I was in logistics in the USMC, I was an LVS operator. Most of my cohorts and I did not like and avoid the Humvee whenever we could. I would take the 7 ton or the LVS even though they are larger vehicles. I never got the chance to drive these new vehicles.
I’ve used both. I HATE the JLTV
I loved driving the M931 Tractor and the M939 5-Ton. They were easy to drive and not bad to ride in either.
The LVS/MK48 was really an interesting vehicle in the USMC.
They retired them a long time ago with the LVSR which comes as the MKR15-MKR18 and then there's the MMRS.Honestly,it's just the USMC's own verison and armored copy of the Army's PLS.On the other hand,even though production discontinued it's awesome that the Navy Seabees and USMC will hold onto the MTVR's for a long time.
As a former 82nd Airborne Recon Plt gun Jeep commander I thought HUMMWVS looked like Cadillacs. These JLTVs are just awesome, our troops deserve the very best in a combat zone. It’s no surprise there are rollovers these vehicles are being operated by young guys full of piss and vinegar. You know the old saying “a GI can break a steel ball with a rubber mallet”. These vehicles are too expensive and too costly to run to be used for day to day errands military in CONUS, Europe and other secure areas US military needs to get an economical vehicle for day to day usage in CONUS, Europe and other secure areas. This is another great video, lots of facts and well presented.
You've got the most badass intro ever!
I was one of the first ones in my unit to get the license for the JLTV after 2 years of driving the HMMWVs and I can say that the JLTVs are Cadillacs off-road. It went everywhere I wanted it to and didn't wreck my spine compared to the Hummer.
Do they give JLTV operating licenses to Mechs? I'm a mech currently but would love to drive one.
@@AFTERSHOCK-bh7hh I don't know I just got told to go to the course lol
I was a Motor Transport maintenance chief in the Marines when my unit started getting these things. They were fantastic to drive and are great vehicles to ride, but a lot of the maintenance had to be done by contractors and they seem like they are going to be an absolute pain in the ass on to work on when they break down. They are 5 times more complex than HMMWVs and have way more systems built in. I worry that once they get into combat, the vehicle readiness is going to plummet when the unit mechanics can't fix them. Also there have been many other rollovers. A prominent one in the Marines was a student driver flipping 2 vehicles simultaneously during a vehicle towing course
With it being that big and heavy, I don't really see the point anymore. They could just have replaced all the HMMWVs with Strykers and it basically would have been the same.
Yikes
What with the military using very complex computer dependent vehicles?
Think they’ll be able to improve it over 30 years?
Yeah the older cold war vehicles are super easy to troubleshoot and repair. The new stuff uses allot of stuff see in modern cars. I was damn good at repairing Bradley's and recovery vehicles. But it wasn't until I went to diesel tech school where I got a associate degree and Fords FACT, and Cummins Engines electives, that I understood just how god awful trained I was as a mechanic and especially in engine repair and electrical troubleshooting and repair. My god I would ruled my motor pool just as a E5 LOL. We learned absolutely dick in AIT and not much more from our leaders from there on. Everything I learned in the Army was experience and reading manuals. I was good for a Army mechanic. But as soon as dealership recruiters came to our school and I was still new in school. And they heard me say I only had 15 years Army training and experience. Every single one just shut down immediately. Military mechanic training is notorious among civilians as very sub par. So I can only imagine how things are going to be when these things are in war and the contractors are nowhere around lol. It won't be Russia in Ukraine bad but it won't be pretty either.
@@Soulessdeeds Exactly. You are taught the most basic of maintenance in the schoolhouse and then just thrown to the units to learn how to do the actual work. Like I said, a lot of the work on these vehicles HAVE to be done by contractors so our guys aren't even being taught how to do the work. The suspension system is the biggest one, it's run by a high pressure nitrogen gas system and my guys weren't even allowed to touch it, much less learn how to troubleshoot and fix it. Even the MATVs and other gen 2 MRAPs weren't nearly that hard to fix once you learned the tricks to removing the armor.
I liked the MATV in syira so I imagine I would like the smaller version.
I have seen and used Osh vehicles since 1986 with HEMIT Trucks and other families of vehicles. Osh has always made a good system, I wish GM did the same, but I have no love for their garbage. I saw recently Osh had a JLTV with a turret with a Bushmaster 25mm. That looked beyond bad ass!
I always wanted the HEMTT tractor with a Lowboy hauler to be fitted with an M198 155mm Howitzer with the M1 Abrams electric turret drive and turret ring base on it. Just drop 4 jack stands (like on Oshkosh's rotator rigs) and start shooting. The lowboy rig would be low enough to the ground that the entire gun crew could run the M198 from the ground and you'd have a 360-degree traverse. Uncle Sam should have modded the M198s after the M777 came out.
30 mm with a crows system is what they are Made ready for
I drove it twice, it feels like a SUV. Just like many vehicles in the army this one needs to air up too in order to move, difference is the JLTV have a "rise up" mode which lift the chassis higher as part of the SOP, you can still drive it without rising it but recommended only in low speed.
That capability is for USMC JLTV to fit on prepo ships where HMMWVs had been stored...they didn't wanna buy new ships.
My experience supporting operators of these trucks basically comes down to three things;
1. Operators love how they drive and the additional features (like pretty good AC) and more room in the back to store the containers worth of BII they carry around.
2. At least half the trucks are down for maintenance at any given point and contractors do by far the most work. It's not to throw shade at Army Maintainers but it's a newer system and you can't just hand a private a tool box and tell them good luck (saw alot of that while I was in).
3. You do have roll over issues, software problems (looking at you commanders display) and werid lack of GPS brackets (if you know, you know) for a subsystem in the truck. These should have been fixed prior to mass fielding.
It's kinda like a modern video game debut where a bunch of features are missing and it's filled with bugs but it's still fun. They say after spending hundreds of millions of dollars that they'll fix it over several patches but can't promise when that'll be so your stuck with only half what you payed for.
Thanks for the information. My son said learning to drive them is horrible because of poor visibility out the windows. They are also difficult to transport by helicopter or Osprey. They weigh a lot.
@@sofineri2471 They ARE transportable by CH-47 & CH53. Not as far as a unarmored HMMWV, but armor weighs more.
any channel that appropriately uses Neffex songs for military videos is an instant like for me
I live a few miles away from the factory, so I see JLTVs out for test drives all the time (and MRAPs and HEMTTs). Gotten stuck behind them in traffic more than once. The local hobby store always has a few models of various Oshkosh trucks, and it's not uncommon that I'll be looking at the model kit while the real thing rolls by just outside.
By the way, the correct pronunciation is actually "Slosh-kosh" (I've never been entirely sure if it's an insult, a term of endearment, or both).
I was wondering how the humvee was being replaced. This new JTLV looks like a good solution
The JTLV is only meant to replace the armored humvees in combat zones and contested areas.
The humvee will still remain in service in the role it was build for, a multi purpose 4x4 vehicle meant for everyday use behind the front lines, and in uncontested areas.
Till the nitrogen ride breaks
Awesome INTRO!!! Keep it up!
I really like the jltv. It looks menacing, is very practical, and is an off-roading beast. You can tell it means business when it comes to off road due to the long lower control arms which allows for greater suspension articulation and travel. It’s very impressive
The two-seat open bed version of the JLTV is just sweet
Polaris also makes an extreme light weight off road vehicle for airborn deployment. I'm curious if the Amry looks into something to replace the humvee in the back lines to reduce the fuel waste in theater.
You gotta admit they look good.
You should make a review of the Iveco LMV, there's an entire "Megafactories" documentary about it (but when i tried to upload it it was taken down almost immediately)
At some point could you review all the variants and weapon systems of the JLTV?
I used Oshkosh MTVR and M-ATV in Iraq/Afghanistan. Everything they make is amazing. Along with Toyota, it is the only company I trust 100%.
Edit: Also, I have no love for the Humvee. They were terrible even considering their intended purpose.
We liked them just fine back in the day, particularly compared with the m151.
You have obviously NEVER driven the GOAT (Gamma-Goat)! You'll be wishing for that Hummer when you do!
@@swaghauler8334 Only Gama-goat you'll see will be in a museum.
@@Buck123four I drove one in 91. They suck!
@@swaghauler8334 I drove one at Bragg 74-75. POS wouldn't downshift; if ya wanted to slow down ya had to come to a stop, then start over. How effed-up is that?
Faster, better protection, and some cool AC with seats built for your kit. Worth it.
Watching this from the cabin of a JLTV right now
What is its STANAG protection level? I haven't found any sources talking about it, and it's kinda useful when you wanna compare it to other similar vehicles.
STANAG means Nato Standard.
@@swaghauler8334 I know, it means STANdarisation AGreement to be precise (if I recall). And I meant the STANAG 4569 norm here, which describes protection levels for light vehicles.
I could be wrong but I feel like I remember both the MAT-V and MRAP having ~ 1/2" of armor about all around. (Probably more on the bottom v hull, I never looked). I remember asking if a dshka could shoot through our MRAP and nobody knew. I don't think it would have stopped it
I’ve TC’d many a JLTV. They perform really well and are great to ride in if you are wearing body armor, if not it’s really uncomfortable. Also it’s extremely loud inside and out. You’ll hear this thing coming a long way away.
I had a mutt jeep with no armor. It was agile and very capable of getting across off road hazards. They took that jeep away and gave me a Hummer. It was way less agile and any large grade variances or terrain stability was an issue. The reality is the dividing line of armored or unarmored vehicles. I was a forward observer and needed to be fast over a wide range of terrain. I relied on recon and intel to determine areas that we could operate in. If that intel was bad then we were boned anyway. We chose to go in harms way with the intel that we had and it worked. The reality in war is that someone was going to get the short straw. The hummer was a down grade in this role. Higher vis, horrible offroad ability, and cumbersome. The weight to engine power was horrible. I can't imagine how an even heavier vehicle would have performed. There should be a standard for light unarmored vehicles for recon and fast troop movements, then a light armor vehicle that protects from shoulder fired rounds when speed is crucial to reinforce the front line, then the medium armored vehicles for the reinforcement troops to get to the rear areas to start the fobs and logistic support areas through potentially compromised routes of travel. Air conditioning is a luxury. Once acclimated to the local environment is not an issue. If you are hot, stick your head out the window. When the Hummers first came out, I was out at 29 palms and three were rolled and one caused a major injury. I had enough clout to keep my mutt and likely was one of the last in the field. When you are blazing new paths, be fast and agile. When you are following those paths, be careful and prepared for shoulder fired weapons, when you are travelling established roads, be prepared for IEDs and other non-conventional weapons. The reality is push hard with motorized, follow up with mechanized, then support with air mobile. The money spent on armored third wave support should be spent on air mobile assets and then assets to remove anti air targets.
sounds like you would have been better served by driving a number of offroad trikes or quad bikes than a humvee
@@SonsOfLorgar That's the old motorcycle scouts conundrum one man can do a lot, BUT a dedicated driver and two other people looking and thinking will be more effective. Geoff Who wants one of those magical AI threat detectors, but all they do is find liberal politicians....
@@SonsOfLorgar brits use land rover
That knowledge is gold, i hope someone uses it.
Or do we know all the answers onlyno one asks us questiions any morte coz we're old and wrinkly?
Min d you what's fast nowadays? Back in 1870 a mule was faster than a marching column across bad terrain - so aa mule was fast and heaaavy carry. . Thats how we ggoyt pack artillerty.
The british rmy llost its lastmules for jeep towed artillery in 1943/.
So fas jeeep might not be fast enugh now.
Jet Pack?
My solytion was a heavilyy armored carrer, powerfull off road capable, and fast lightly armorrredd vehicle for he last few miles into the arera. The lightest spasest dismounted trooops crry shulder launched something or other, So tttttth days of jeeps are gone I'm afrid.
@@brucebartup6161 what are you even saying
I’m have noticed that “light” vehicles have become heavier in the last few decades. Are there missions that require a true light vehicle? Are these roles now the domain of off-the-shelf vehicles such a Toyota pickup “technical” trucks?
Light, basically unarmoured vehicles like the HMMWV and such proved to be too vulnerable in conditions where mines and IEDs are a threat.
So either you meet this with improved vehicles that provide ballistic protection (and are mechanically durable enough to carry it), or you put your personnel at risk.
And it's easier and cheaper to upgrade to things like the JLTV than it is to deal with the added casualties that would result from going with a lighter, cheaper vehicle.
I think this vehichle is beautiful
Hi, I see Canada is retiring the LAV III and is moving to the LAV VI. could you update us on the differences, and WTF happened to LAV 4&5!
What happened to all of those Canuck VW ilitis? Why not the Panhard lav?
ought to be a software override red switch,, covered marked emergency override,manual everything
A manual is built into the dsdu. And it has a combat override system.
Great video, Matt!
Is this the vehicle that has liquid cooled vest for the occupants? It seems I remember all 4 crew to be able to plugin for individual cooling/heating?
It's great to see you putting out more reviews! Thanks!!
I have gotten to walk around a couple at a rest stop, and they are HUGE! They dwarf Humvees and could carry a WWII Jeep inside the cabin!!
Isn't the Humvee being kept as a rear area light cargo vehicle where the size and expense of the JLTV not necessary?
Yes, the humvee will continue to live on in its original intended role. No point in driving around in peacetime in a JLTV .
@@scratchy996 Wanna bet brass find a way to run around in JLTVs, though???
@@petesheppard1709 Of course they will :)
@@scratchy996 😄
My issue is it seems the JLTV's computer systems are not "grunt proof." The start up and shut down process for these vehicles do not seem to be designed for the lowest common denominator in high stress situations.
Just flip the combat override switch
You can do anything with this thing. The marines are even making them remotely operated and putting 2 NSM's on them. Basically, a coastal sentinel. How cool is that?!
Type 052D killer...
@@lukejohnston4666 Damn right!
In other words. Soon it will be ai controlling them. How "great" cant wait for algorithms to decide life or death at the flip of a politician's finger.
@@RK-cj4oc What part of human in the loop don't you get? A human will always be the one pulling the trigger, it is part of military protocol. An AI will never decide to release a weapon, you're making shit up.
@@BravoCheesecake If you can have something remote controlled. Then you can eventually put it on AI. For now humans decide. Once tech is cheap enough humans wont decide anything.
I worked as an industrial engineer there for a bit, real neat stuff.
You need to do a video on the German Wiesel replacement, that’s an awesome piece of kit.
What's it called
@@heybabycometobutthead LuWa
@@davebona9592 Thanks, I actually found it after I left that comment, it looks pretty cool.
I still love that one tiktok video of a guy jumping a JLTV off a sand dune
The JLTV is really a light armored vehicle. It was designed as such, and because of this doesn't have the problems the armored version of HMMWV does. The question is, what percentage of the US military's light vehicles need this level of armor protection? For ones that down the HMMWV is fine, and much cheaper.
In my opinion the goal should be to have 100% of military vehicles with at least minimal protection. In modern warfare there is no safe zone behind static battle lines. Attacks can happen anywhere.
The only ones that need armor protection are the ones that will get hit by a mine, IED, or small arms fire. If anyone knows which ones those are - please sound off.
Hmmm.... Put a boat-like lower hull on them and water jet? Now you have a fast lander for the USMC that can haul a fire team ashore and start suppressing fire . A few with switchblade drone modules could also be tasked with anti armor and artillery suppresion? Maybe have a deep scxout version with coffin hotel like crew support and put a remote turret and Switchblade module? The remote turret able to mount and M2 and a full spectrum sensor suite with laser marker?
MOD have cancelled the JLTV order they placed a few years ago..... JLTV/AJAX/WARRIOR upgrade...all miss managed. British armed forces..Lions, led by donkey's from Whitehall. Thanks for the upload Mat.
I love the passive amount of camber loss on the rear suspension. That much camber change certainly has to bump steer terribly. You can see it happen as it enters the ditch and looses traction while the vehicle turns perpendicular without the steering input angle changing.
I wonder if you could do an episode on the differences between the JLTV and MATV? Both look mean and I am glad the military finally replaced the Humvees after all the issues we had overseas for years. I hope they incorporate some kind of recon/loitering drone to the vehicles as they could help with recon and maybe real time data link it to blue force trackers. Not sure if that is possible yet but I heard they are working on such capabilities were everyone is getting the same picture from all friendly sources.
JLTV has soft soil mobility the MATV could only dream of. And, has 10Kw Onboard & 10Kw Exportable power, Victory compliant for ease of various electronics, and is 10X as reliable as any HMMWV. MATV Job 1 was PROTECTION. JLTV has it all, or nearly all.
The humvee was supposed to be a second line truck to replace the cucv chevy truck it was never meant to be a front line fighter so anything would work better since this is true armour and not a logistical vehicle like the 1 1/4 k35 chevy followed by the humvee we took a second line truck and added machine or tows and used them on the front line on suprised it worked as well as it did also fuel wise the 6.2 that was in military chevy k35 and blazer k5 was excellent on fuel I had a k30 with the 6.2 and it got 20 mpg top speed sucked at 70mph but then you put the 6.2 in a heavier rig and then the later 6.5 Detroit diesel made it under powered and used more fuel I believe this new ride has the 6.6 durmax is a strong engine even though I wonder why they didn't use a simpler design like 5.9 Cummins or 6.7 Cummins with close to the hp and I'm not knocking gm I love the gm trucks and engines but Going through diesel school the 6bt Cummins was so much easier to work on but I guess they got a good deal from gm but just alot more computers between turbo and injector that could cause headaches and I know the 6.7 was electronic controlled but you could get the 5.9 12v full mechanical and having friends with diesel pulling trucks you can make a ton of power some trade offs of survivability but instead of 800 hp pulling engine they could of split the difference at 400ish and not have the worries of computers and coming from someone that has worked on the dmax and Cummins the inline 6 is extremely easy to work on but like I said I love the durmax but ease of pmi and mantaince I'd take an inline 6 Cummins anyday over a v8 duramax but still a mean engine for this new support vehicle sorry to be so winded
Yes and no. Look at the size of the engine bay.
The i actually got a chance to see one of these in person it was on the back of a semi truck in fact it was three of them I thought it looked kinda cool and the next day heading down the interstate I passed a couple of National guard humvees on the road the vehicle it is ment to replace talk about that being a strange deal😂
Our US Special Forces warfighters have LOVED the JLTV and say there’s NO comparison to the uparmored HUMVEEs
The SF folks have much HIGHER GT scores than the rest of the Army...and much more maturity. That comes in handy all around, as compared to a bunch of 26 year old PV2s who beat around for years before enlisting, and suddenly become Automotive Engineers - in their minds.
When u said u had a defender I knew this was a cool channel
Can you do a video on the differences between the M777A2 and the M777DGMS?
I think the JLTV is a game changer. With tanks and attack helicopters being unreliable from new missiles and drones. I think this vehicle will be the new tactical standard for ground based warfare. considering there are multiple weapons packages compatible with the vehicle. Some of them are anti-tank and anti-drone, but the main thing is if one gets hit it’s much more economical than other vehicles.
What is that tan pole attached to the right front bumper? It was upright, and lower in some of the video, some kind of sensor?🤔
Arma reforger needs a JLTV mod ASAP
Been watching a few armored Humvs videos in Ukraine and they did pretty well, some got damaged but they did supply some good troop support. Bigger vehicles may not be able to preform on the small muddy roads .
We used the JLTV in Afghanistan in 11-12. It was a decent platform there, the AC was fantastic which is good, however their ability to move across sideslopes when we had them in Germany a few years later was suboptimal.
It’s probably by far the best light vehicle especially with its modularity and high level of protection and much greater passenger comfort than the Humvee
You likely had the MATV. JLTV wasn't fielded until 2019. They look the same, but MATV is about 25% larger.
I appreciate your content Matt. Good man, salt of the earth, backbone of England….or maple syrup of Canada now??
If anything, it will eat the Humvee for lunch. The JLTV looks so badass.
Looks like a 90s remote control car also whatever happened to those old TYCO cars?
When the military came to Montana to fight forest fires, our Chevy 1 tons loaded down with fuel and tools could go more places than the humvee's. They were to wide and couldn't maneuver through the narrow mountain roads we worked in for decades..
Which is also why none of the European NATO countries uses Humvees if they had a choise, they are just too wide and bulky for European roads and woodlands, especially the kind very common in rolling hills and ridged rural areas where farmers build field enclosures with the granite rocks they clear out of their fields, and when a significant number of those fields has been farmed since before Leif Eriksson found his way to Newfoundland, those field enclosures are thick, tall and won't care about any vehicle lighter than an MBT...
chevy 3500 single cab single rear wheel... wheelbase 134 inches
overall length 224
width 80 inches
Hummer
wb 130 inches
overall length 180
width 85 inches
yup Hummer is HUGGE...
any other stories?
Had an MATV on its side half full of water in a canal for nearly 24 hrs before we got it out. Damned if it didn’t start right up and drive under its own power back to the COP.
Love these vids
But I got to say. Its seems like it has an incredible amount of body roll
I'm a mechanic in the army and this truck is difficult to work on but it's fun to drive tha.ks to the tak4i suspension
what is your channel intro music, i’ve been wondering for the longest time
That was my unit brother!!! I wasn’t there for maple resolve tho. De opresso liber 🤙🏻
What's the big cylindrical thing in front the one that tilt forward like a big antenna?
Its an antenna mount. It can be raised and lowered when a missile system is installed
America: Check out our new 'LIGHT' vehicle platform!!
Rest of the World: 😑
If it is anything like the MATV, sign me the fuck up. Loved that thing despite it's small comfort and situational awareness flaws.
Has capabilities the MATV never had...
@@Buck123four I saw that, I envy the guys that get to drive that thing around! Not the mechanics though haha
Seems like a scaled-down MATV. A vehicle which l absolutely *adored* in Afghanistan. I have high hopes.
Same company makes both.
I mean it has working A/C so it’s good enough for me
It's basically, a better HUMVEE, if course it is very useful.
Idk if I'm just a crazy civilian but it seems like what the US really needs is another half track.
The main problem with tracks is that they suck to maintain, right? But apparently the old US half tracks used a track that was basically a giant tire/rubber band.
The US could use a system like that again, invent back wheels kit that is easily replaceable in the field.
They suck in rocky terrain. Afghanistan is why we have a Stryker and a large part of why we have this.
The thing I am most concerned about is the strategic mobility - at some cost to tactical mobility. The point being the ability to be airlifted in substantial numbers - particularly important for the USA, as the cost of having troops stationed in other countries. If that can be done there is the possibility of deploying faster than today, and we are talking 48 hours to anywhere on the globe. The trick is actually to be dug in defensive positions BEFORE the nasties (did You understand that one Vladimir??), because given defensive positions taken - then light forces are just as good as heavy. The other point is in keeping the logistical burden down, so the force can be supplied from air transport and basically stay in place - till the enemy gets tired and retire home.
The ablity to counterpunch light tanks is essential, as the vehicles are liable to hold position where only light tanks can go - I'm thinking here of a vehicle like the Wiesel.
The other point is the ability to have the combined arms: Infantry, cavallery and artilleri.
We are seeing these days what happens if the combined arms does not work. The russians should perhaps also have used the brigade as the primary operational unit - instead of the battallion.
The other point is that hanging on to outdated equipment is dangerous. The T-72 is conceptually outdated as the opposition have developed and made the autoloader a liability. It was a great idea when AGM had the limitation of being forced to hit the best protected part. But the enemy is inconvienient and now hit the "soft" spots. Not that I am against autoloaders in principle, but the bustle is perhaps a better storage for the ammunition - the T-72 arrangement is clearly not working today when 10 -15 tanks (on average) are lost and 2-2½ times that number in infantry armoured vehicles. But that is perhaps rather an indication of lack of qualified infantry.
Finally: Airborne troops do need a considerable element of surprise or they are toast against modest local defence volunteers. One should have thought that the russians learned something from Remagen?
Isn’t strategic mobility more the purview of the GMV?
@@DeltaCain13 Very good question! Lets examine them:
Strategic/operational/tactical mobility is a question of the difficulty and speed of moving the force where you want it against the protection of the vehicles.
As to protection: Lets use the Nato Standard designations (STANAG) Level 1,2,3,4,5,6. The odd numbers are really the level corresponding to light, medium, heavy protection. The even numbers are a beefed up versions of the previous odd level indication that the enemy has had time to bring some of their nefarious plans into action.
Light forces can be airlifted into any airfield/-strip that can take a C-130 Hercules which is practical in so far, as the russian doctrine mentiones taking f.i. airfields first by the use of helicopters and parachutist - hence the designation of air assault. Such an airfield can be secured by local defence volunteers in a matter of hours and be preplanned each with a number of prepared positions. The light force has the advantage of choosing among a large number of possible airfields The light forces might not be able to move around after an attact has started, but given they are placed in positions that the enemy must pass (and their supply trucks) they don't have to be moved.
The light forces will be light on the transport requirement as well, because they use aircraft that does not NEED an airfield.
We saw an example of that in Ukraine. The russians wanted to take Hostomel airport and was butchered by local defence and the mere thought of bringing in troops with Candid could be rejected out of hand, as time was gained to bring somewhat serious firepower. Not only would the idiot be blown to smithereens, but ekspensive and irreplaceable aircraft would be lost.
The USA cannot be absolutely certain that they land on an uncontested airfield with their big, fat, lumbering irreplaceable Globemasters - they need more warning.
The case of Denmark is that we need only the time it takes the transport to fly to a Baltic country or Poland, Bulgaria or whatever. This is a scenario that has been practised. A air-policing mission was moved forward by three weeks when Helle Thorning-Schmidt was PM. As soon as the matter was decided in parliament the F-16 collected the undercarridge on their way. The spies in the Defence Forces and Parliament had not the remotest incling of what was going on and could as such not inform their superiors, that know about their disgusting habits with children or their strained financial situation.
Furthermore: The light forces can be kept supplied - their logistic footprint is smaller: Their rounds are lighter, their vehicles need less fuel and can be sourced locally - and the food can be supplied to the locals as well.
The medium forces are road transportable on their own wheels. In Denmarks case they will get ahead of the rush-hour and be on their merry way before our dear allied are found in beds that was NOT in the official list. Generally the roads in Europe goes along rivers which in case of Eastern Europe is north south. The bottleneck is the east -west as everybody scrambles to get where they are supposed to. North-South will be free (for the supply trucks as well) and an 8*8 can use secondary roads to good effect and cross old bridges that tanks can't 60 tons is over the top for the bridge over the old mill-race.
The heavy forces must be transported by sea. Which is not the largest problem in the world, as there are good ferry connections in the Baltic. The problem is the road between the port and (sherry - the place they are supposed to be.)
I never woulda thought that the maker of my kindergarten overalls would also make high end military vehicles.
Haha! Different companies
You should have a look at the Australian *Bushmaster* High Protection Mobility Vehicle.
It was available for the US at the start of the 2nd Gulf War, but being a foreign design that meant that even being built under licence in America would mean profits going away from the US MIC.
They did examine a few of them but decided against it, however they designed the MRAP soon after. But being Americans they made it a lot bigger, a lot heavier and _a lot thirstier_ than the Bushmaster (or Bushie).
It's a interesting vehicle, a case of just being lucky and coming up with something that fit the requirements _before the requirements were known_ to be needed, back in the late 90's. Based on a South African mine resistant police vehicle, it was designed for long range desert patrols and being IED resistant, while having civilian driving controls.
And then suprise, what sort of mission profile is suddenly needed in the early 2000's?
While the JTLV is a more appropriate and advanced vehicle for the needs of the US military, it did not exist in a production version ready and waiting to be mass produced during the Iraq and Afghanistan operations.
Yeah because most countries don't like to produce their own military equipment lmao.
Oshkosh actually owns the rites to build the Bushmater but never made them because they weren't practical.
Imo the military personnel transportation vehicles since the Jeep make what should be pretty simple too complicated.
They should really just take a standard Jeep Rubicon or Bronco Sasquatch, armor it up, modify the engine and ECU to run military gas, flatten and skid plate the undercarriage (like the Humvee), and be done with it. For getting from point A to B, most of the time, that's all they'll need. They can have these bigger vehicles for more serious situations.
The consumer vehicles will be more familiar to the troops and almost certainly be more fuel efficient (especially if they go with hybrids).
"Standard" vehicles have ZERO ability to handle the armor. Just about all parts of the vehicle start breaking; suspension, transmission, brakes, drive train, etc. IT DOESN'T WORK...unless al the vehicle will do s drive very slowly on totally paved roads at slow speeds.
Matt you said you didn’t have air con. Thought you were REME ? Run the apu on the 512/513 and on the op panel in the 3rd man seat there’s a switch. Says air cool 😎. Tell me you knew this. Ok got to admit it wasn’t exactly good but it was there 😜
Quite the beast of a vehicle. When i first seen it i thought it would be more armored but slower and less agile than the HumVee.
It will run CIRCLES around any HMMWV, on or off road.
it definitely looks cool, and just like the old snatch land rovers, its not hard to get something better than a humvee. I’m gonna get a lot of hate for this but I’ve never liked the humvee, its just such a wide vehicle for only four seats and a turret, and i think it’s in general over rated.
I have a similiar opinion of this vehicle. Extremely tall 14 tons for just 4 people and a gunner that guzzles fuel like there's no tommorow. All they needed to do was put that "modular" bit at the back under armour and at 2 or 4 more seats and BAM, but no...
HMMWV's have been around a longg time. They were probably nice when they came out but if you were to throw a 50 cal machine gun and some armor on literally any truck it would do better lol
@@MatoVuc People are so obsessed with flashy bells and whistles they forget the issues with the JLTV shaping up to being so overweight and a much bigger higher center of gravity target for what it is intended to replace. The front of the JLTV also has the engine housing over hanging the front where a base Humvee can put its front wheels into the thing it needs to climb. I try not to piss myself into an aneurysm over it, but the military makes some really dumb fucking decisions. The M8 being bureaucratically delay jerked around for three decades to be overridden by a really wrong design for the need to replace the Sheridan has me at a simmer. Progress for the sake of progress is retarded.
Please make a video on Mahindra ALSV and Kalyani M4 please do it
I need this for the potholes in my country. 🤕🇹🇹