I was in merchant navy n told stories about sbs training drills. SAS are ones in the newspapers. SBS are ones you rarely hear about.. all uk SF are elite but SBS are unparalleled.
The UK special forces go through the same training and selection process (the hardest in the world), then if out of about 200 individuals who start the only around 8-10% pass. Then, they are branched off into different regiments such as SAS, SBS.... also the UK has the The Royal Gurkha Rifles, not to be tangled with at any cost! Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw ("Sam the brave") chief of staff of the Indian army once said "If a man says he is not afraid of dying, he is either lying or he is a Gurkha." ...
@@chalky89sbs has boat troop, is all about who operates where. World is split into areas of responsibility. Also SRR and Sfsg, please educate yourself before talking.
@@1AnononA1Hardest in the world? Lol SAS selection is short and the seletion pool of candidates are small. There were literal Olympic athletes in my BUD/S class
@kevinl8440 I don't deny Navy seals training is tough. It's just not as tough as UKSF selection... any Navy seal worth his salt and clued up will know this!
Lets just say that the top SF in the world are all within shouting distance of each other, They cross train with other countries, about the only thing that really separates them is equipment...be it weapon systems, intel gathering systems etc.
Just listened to the full podcast. Seems there was a LOT cut out, maybe an hour or more? Also, there were some bits where you could hear John not answering Chris because didn't want to one-up him even more. Like when Chris mentions how SAS is working with maps from the 1940s while the Americans have 12 satellite maps, 24 hrs maps if you wanted analysis. Meanwhile, John is thinking, "Dude, 10-15 years ago, we could live ISR assets that could resolve license plates undetected until the moment we raid the compound. Now, our infantry platoons don't roll outside the wire without assets to provide top cover."
@invisibleman1459 I don't know man, I was taught never to bring attention to the unit. Guess that's been thrown out the window the last 20 years. There was a time when the special operator ethos meant something.
Delta is superior in every way, this isn’t the 80s anymore, the outline for all SF was started by sas, but modern tier one operators and operations is lead by the us military, the budget is bigger, the training has been pioneered by them, they have seen more combat and have more experience than any units in the world because of the gwot.
@@Abefroman-lq3md Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
@ . Kid have you served? Let me explain something to you. It’s not the fancy kit or the huge budgets that make a SF Regiment great, it’s the training and the men! The fact you can’t see past your countries flag and all its jingoistic propaganda tells me you are some kid who reads books, but doesn’t know jack about what makes the SAS and SBS so respected and admired. The selection and training of British SF is still the best in the world. Delta are excellent and have the money, but man for man they are no better than the Regiment. Delta operators have actually stated this! As for DEVGRU, the SBS is a far more professional and disciplined Unit.
@@Abefroman-lq3md let me put this into perspective for you, the Delta Force as elite as they are, are still only the 4th best special forces unit in the US, the DEVGRU is our 5th best, i love how you just ignored everything i wrote and acted like DEVGRU and Delta Force are the only 2 we have, yes the Delta and DEVGRU are above the SAS and SBS, but once again our top 3 units are the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and the SAC/SOG, they are a step above literally ALL the rest, including the SAS and SBS, even without the kits and budgets, the US soldier is still better than the British soldier man for man, your own British journalist and SAS commanders admit that the Delta is better, our 4th and 5th best is still better than the tip top best the UK has to offer, that alone says everything that needs to be said regarding the topic
I love all the butt-hurt comments even though none of them have any skin in the game. It's like arguing about who's dad can beat up another guys dad. They all talk crap but fight next to each other in the end. Chill out!
It's so damn annoying, randos wanting to ride coattails of their country's special forces, as if these units are all competing against each other like a sports league or something.
Then ssuming if they're the equivalent to Navy Seal after. Jesus. And US media still has the occasional nerve to place Delta ahead of SAS/SBS on their clickbaiteys when it appears so as if they're on a different planet.
the US has even more secretive and elite units that are a step above even the SAS, SBS, Delta Force, and DEVGRU, its called G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG
That made me laugh sooo hard. These guys...truly adrenaline rushed, testosterone pumped dudes...D boys dont want to work with lite weight seals 😅😅😅...Im just a lazy trucker...but I love this stuff...the baddest of the bad...dont b jivin...😅😅😅
A friend of mine, Staff Sgt Penman bravely served his country for over 10 years in 3 Para and latterly in the elite regiment of the SAS (22 SAS Mountain Group B) alongside Billy Bingham.
@MrD1981 Dave was an absolute legend. Someone i looked upto. We had some interesting conversations and he understood my CPTSD and told me not to be to hard onmyself after my dad abused me when i was a kid. Im an army brat, my dad was Royal Signals and he put me through hell i attempted suicide when i was 15. Dave is sorely missed.
@ sorry to hear that Shannon as David said keep your head up keep moving forward always a little further 👊 did you read his book? He gave me it to read when he finished it and every word you read you can hear his voice telling you his story I still keep in touch with his good lady over in the far east lovely lady she sorely misses him to this day bless her ❤️
@MrD1981 Thankyou. Yes David did say that to me. He was a great guy. Im glad he didnt come over and sort my dad out. Yes i read Davids book. It's an excellent read. Heartbreaking at times and last conversation we had was the treatment of veterans. We need Veterans Affairs like in USA so veterans can get the help and support, veterans can get off the streets. We should be looking after our veterans. The RBL arent doing enough.
Lol Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
@@CMOT101 Lol Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
@@johanlassen6448 bless, I know yanks think they are the best at everything but the truth is most NATO forces think Yanks are a joke. My Aussie mate got back from deployment and couldn't slag off the yanks enough for how dumb and useless they were. Aussies kept telling them to put out their cigerettes and the yanks refused " because they were Americans" and of course they constantly gave their positions away. My brother was a Para and he couldn't stand being deployed near yanks. He said there was far more chance of being killed by yank friendly fire than by the enemy. SAS and SBS look down on Yank "special" forces because they are 'special alright' Truth is, if NATO or the Yank military want an impossible mission doing, they don't send Delta. They ask for the SAS.
Btw the delta child like tribalism is probably the greatest weakness they have. It’s the reason the rangers are now elite standalone CQB stallions. General mccrystal wanted to make an example out of why you don’t hoard time sensitive targets and not be a team player. - but It turns out SAS went for 2 weeks then went home. The legit reasoning was: THE COMMANDER OF 22 SAS WANTED TO SAVE THEM for IRAQ #2 in THE event UK WAS ATTACKED. BECAUSE SAS operate in the uk. The job of a tier one team is hostage rescue. Normally you use 82nd/10th mountain/ 101st/ Green Berets/ Tier 2 Units. Let’s face it. Tier 1 units can’t survive with out CAS. So it’s a weakness of small units. I don’t think the commander’s decision was wrong. He needed to keep a HR capability for the Uk in the event osama or somebody attacked somewhere and took hostages.
we was nicked named sandbag company as we had a captain that was 23y and volunteered us for everything if you wanted a shit sandwich with egg we made it loool was 6 of us sent out with 50 afgan army to find the forward line of enemy forces 2 weeks before panthers claw was told yer there only 200 Taliban in there was 550 Taliban killed in the first day of the op loool was more like 3000 in there lairs pmsfl we was dropping two motor lines fire 3 rounds drop 50 meters fire 3 rounds drop 50 meters until we got out was the fastest iv ran in my life loool
As far as I'm aware the SAS & SBS do the same selection at the beginning but then specialising in their own skills. I mean it can't be fun being in the water in say the North sea, wind rain extreme cold 😮 Extreme conditions not like a swimming pool 😂 Definitely not for the faint of heart. SBS & SBS are both good at their jobs. Don't think one is better than the other
Back in the day they were separate units, but now they've been amalgamated into a single entity Now you all do selection as a whole, then choose to specialise after acceptance
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 Yeah it makes sense to have both specialists in their own right. Both doing the initial selection stops the " we're better" nonsense. Had a Sgt in my Battery who was ex 29 Commando & he told me his brother was SBS. Was a good bloke.
The main selection itself (6 months) is done together. After that the SAS get badged and join their units whilst the SBS do another 2-3 months of amphibious, diving training.
Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
doesnt matter, US special forces are still above the SAS and SBS, we literally have the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, Delta Force, G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG, the best of the best on earth
@ brother you have nothing on us besides numbers. America has lost basically every war it’s been in/started. Afghan,Iraq,Korea,Russia,Cuba there’s honestly way more no disrespect but Britain is on another league then America honestly disrespectful to even put our two countries in that comparison we have a thousand plus years of war that we adapt on
@@Zymon-dm7cv "America has lost basically every war it’s been in/started" Lol is this supposed to be a joke? the US has not once ever lost a single war its gotten into, 248 years and still an undefeated war record, the US has won every war its started since 1776, the US have just won the war in Syria a few weeks ago, the US won in Iraq twice 1991 Gulf War and 2003 invasion, the US won in Kosovo, Libya, Korea twice, the US defeated both Afghanistan and Russia in Syria, American farmers humiliated the British empire in 1776, the US defeated Germany twice and the Japanese empire, saved the UK twice, defeated the Spanish empire, won against the Ottoman empire in the 1st and 2nd Barbary wars 1805 and 1815, the US defeated Cuba 4 times, invasion of Grenada in 1983, Nancahuazu Guerilla War in 1967, Cuban Rebellion in 1912, and the Spanish-American War in 1898 the US has won hundreds of wars since 1776, won 833 battles (probably more by now after our recent victory in Syria) 3rd most in human history in only 248 years, the US has achieved more war victories than countries with literal ancient history dating back thousands of years BC, the US military is an absolute master class, one of the finest war fighting war winning nations on earth the UK on the other hand has factually lost every single war in the history of its country and havent even won a single battle since Waterloo, which is really just a Prussian victory than anything, the UK lost in Afghanistan 3 times, Anglo-Afghan war 1842, Anglo-Afghan war 1919, and the 2001 war in Afghanistan, the UK lost in Iraq twice, the UK lost in Korea and lost to Russia, the US never had a war with Russia except in Syria which the US won, the UK lost to Iceland 3 times, lost to Boer farmers in 1881, the UK lost in Egypt, Cyprus, Yemen, Mali, Israel, and of course lost to American corn farmers with pitch forks in 1776 who had to later save those same Brits from Germany in WW2 you're right its disrespectful to even compare the 2 countries considering how much more overwhelmingly elite the US is compared to the British, we are on a whole other league above you and it doesnt even come close
Lol the US has Tier 1 units like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force which are all far above the SAS and SBS the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
US: C Tier: Air Force, Navy, Standard Army B Tier: Marine Corps, 82nd and 101st Airborne A Tier: Marine Recon, MARSOC, Night Stalkers, Green Beret, 75th Rangers, Navy Seals A++ Tier: 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, Delta Force S Tier: G Squadron, Black Squadron, SAC/SOG UK: D Tier: Standard Army C Tier: Royal Marines B- Tier: SAS and SBS 😂 😂
I simply have to disagree. The fact of the matter is that American Special Forces have shown that they are the best in the world. American SF have killed more high value targets than the British, New Zealanders, and the Australians combined. Also, take into account that the Americans have rescued more hostages than the aforementioned countries combined. The fact of the matter is that American SF are the best in the world. FACT.
@@markfullbrighton5070 its not what ive been shown when I’ve searched. Where did you look? Everywhere i look it shows sas one of the best if not the best. And they’ve been around since ww2 and have much more experience
@@giannister No disrespect but please tell me that you don't get paid for your input because you would have starved to death. Secondly, your research has been piss poor. The fact of the matter is that the internet is a terribly unreliable source for information. Lastly, sure the SAS have been around longer than American SF, but that is simply not an objection to anything that I have said. The fact of the matter is that American SF have killed more HVT's and rescued more hostages than many countries combined. In my view, this classifies American SF as the best in the world.
Americans are the best special forces to Americans. SAS and SBS are the best SF unit on the planet and are unbeaten. 50% if not more countries base their training on the SAS. Including Seals and Delta. Fact. Notice the only people whinging in the comments are American? Deluded hero mentality at its best. Proved my comment right in many ways.
Imagine thinking these stupid pissing matches prove anything. Each unit is setup for their own specific purposes - no one is "competing" against each other.
Absolute nonsense. There is essentially no difference between these dudes except American SOF have higher budgets and therefore better equipment. American SOF have the highest number of HVTs killed/captured, and for the past 20 years it has been American SOF units that have taken down the nr 1 terrorist HVTs in the world, not British ones.
Your tiny island nation has less money, a smaller and less diverse recruiting pool, and less combat experience. Shut up, American SOF blows UKSF out of the water everyday of the week
Duncan Falconer explained it well. Pre GWOT, SBS was always looked down upon by SAS. They didn’t have a chance to prove themselves, they didn’t receive nearly the same amount of funding. Now however that doesn’t matter, the SBS are as good at the SAS and even better at maritime ops
There would be no delta force without the sas . Delta was built on what it's founder had seen from the SAS.. unlike the yanks us brits didn't shoot anything that moved or bomb anything that wasn't already bombed
there would be no UK without the US saving them from Germany in WW2, Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
@@UserName-om6ft they most certainly are. The whole SF ideal is built from the SAS and SBS. Ask 90% of US SF that served with UKSF and they’ll tell you how good they are.
@@Danaddison1 not even close, your own SAS commanders admit that the US Delta Force is better, SAS and SBS has never proven to be better than Delta or DEVGRU
@@UserName-om6ft There can never be a direct comparison, but UKSF selection is known to be tougher then the American. I mean, US seal selection/training is equivalent to British Marine basic training etc. And I’d like to see where SBS and SAS commanders said Delta are better.
@@Danaddison1 how is seal training equal to British marine training? i havent heard something so brainIess in my entire life, even US MARSOC and US Marine Recon has longer and harder trainings than Royal Marines, let alone the Seals even your own SAS commander Lieutenant Colonel Richard Williams prefers the Delta over his own SAS soldiers, and i quote directly "A common thread runs throughout Task Force Black that makes it difficult not to come away with the impression that the units’ relationship has since evolved. Today they seem to exist almost like siblings, with Delta - backed by the enormous might and budget of the United States military machine (and JSOC in particular) - playing big brother to the SAS’s little brother. Besides merely wanting in on some of Delta’s action, the SAS’s commanding officer at the time, Lt. Col. Richard Williams, openly admired General McChrystal and was described as an unabashed Americanophile, SAS Commander Lt. Col. Richard Williams stated he would have preferred to have commanded Delta than his own men. He constantly challenged Task Force Black (mockingly referred to as “Task Force Slack” prior to their JSOC integration) to match the pace and intensity of the Americans. And when the SAS was at its most lethal, Urban described it as “operating in the style of Delta.” The units’ assaulters even began to look more and more alike. The SAS is described as transitioning to the practice of wearing their sidearms on the front of their body armor in a similar fashion to the Americans rather than in leg holsters as they typically had previously while also adopting the same Crye Precision MultiCam camouflage gear that was popular with Delta operators - some even complete with Stars and Stripes-adorned ‘Fuck al-Qaeda’ patches even SAS admits that Delta is better "we the SAS have been surpassed by the Delta as the best special forces on the planet" even your own British journalist Mark Urban covers the entire subject
Navy Seals are only tier 2 they are only 9th best in the US which goes to show just how elite US soldiers are the US has Tier 1 units like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force which are all far above the SAS and SBS the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
The main difference I see, is that when the SAS go in; EVERY terrorist dies and EVERY hostage lives. When I hear about Yank special forces, it always seems to be: mostly everyone dies.
Please don't embarrass yourself again. I would actually say Delta Force and ST6 are superior to the SAS. If you look at which units have taken out more high value targets in the last couple of decades, Delta Force and ST6 are miles ahead. In fact, it was either Delta or ST6 that rescued a bunch of British hostages and David Cameron actually thanked them, so stay in your lane boys.
thats hilarious, in 2015 the Delta Force conducted the biggest hostage rescue near Hawija in Iraq where the Delta Force rescued 70 hostages, where is the SAS with these kinds of numbers? in operation Abalone in 2003 the US Delta Force and British SAS were sent to four compounds in Ramadi to search for a Sudanese jihadist, the Delta Force effectively cleared their two compounds without any issues, however the SAS failed in their last building as they suffered several casualties in which the US Delta Force had to come in and clear the compounds themselves due to SAS failures
@@UserName-om6ft US: joke. They label a force AFTER they've made the acronym up, SWAT, DELTA FORCE. And our forces ALWAYS know where Yanks are; behind, and a bigger risk than the enemy in front. Standing joke. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS the corroborated history laid out by Sean Naylor, Christ Martin, Mark Urban, Toby Harden, Michael Schdimitt, Shawn Ryan, several SAS veterans, and many more, all suggest that the Delta Force is the better Special Forces Unit, Sine Pari.
Please don't embarrass yourself again. I would actually say Delta Force and ST6 are superior to the SAS. If you look at which units have taken out more high value targets in the last couple of decades, Delta Force and ST6 are miles ahead. In fact, it was either Delta or ST6 that rescued a bunch of British hostages and David Cameron actually thanked them, so stay in your lane boys.
@@markfullbrighton5070yeah right 😂 the SAS have been actively involved in every war to date. Every USSF will tell you that the brits SF are better, Wether they like to admit it or not!
@@markfullbrighton5070and i would like to just remind you that the SBS had osama bin laden in there sights and could have taken him out but high command wouldn’t allow it because the Americans wanted to be the one’s who took him out 😂😂 crying like big baby’s they are lol American military has got nothing on UK military man for man, just more money but money doesn’t buy experience something that the US lacks 😂😂😂😂
@@robocop3961 No disrespect, but you are not very informed on the matter, are you? Firstly, I acknowledge that the British SAS and SBS have been around longer, but in my view, they have been surpassed by American Special Forces. In the recent decades, American Special Forces have taken out more high value targets and hostage rescues than the British and Australians combined. Secondly, even some of your own soldiers have acknowledged that the SAS has been surpassed by Delta Force. Lastly, there was a British officer that worked with American Special Forces, and he said the Americans were so good that he wished he was in command of them rather than his own British unit.
@karenrobinson129 Solid counter - maybe more facts than emojis? "When SAS were at their most lethal, they were in the style of Delta" Mark Urban Sine Pari
Love to hear these Special Mission Unit Vets reminisce. 👍🏻
Never been in the Army in my life but I grew up on Chris Ryans book. The absolute greatest.
Chris, love these interviews/ podcasts! You should put the full videos on UA-cam. They would be v popular.
I was in merchant navy n told stories about sbs training drills. SAS are ones in the newspapers. SBS are ones you rarely hear about.. all uk SF are elite but SBS are unparalleled.
Exactly the same selection both do same Ops , one does diving (SBS) they both parachute.
The UK special forces go through the same training and selection process (the hardest in the world), then if out of about 200 individuals who start the only around 8-10% pass. Then, they are branched off into different regiments such as SAS, SBS.... also the UK has the The Royal Gurkha Rifles, not to be tangled with at any cost! Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw ("Sam the brave") chief of staff of the Indian army once said "If a man says he is not afraid of dying, he is either lying or he is a Gurkha." ...
@@chalky89sbs has boat troop, is all about who operates where. World is split into areas of responsibility. Also SRR and Sfsg, please educate yourself before talking.
@@1AnononA1Hardest in the world? Lol SAS selection is short and the seletion pool of candidates are small. There were literal Olympic athletes in my BUD/S class
@kevinl8440 I don't deny Navy seals training is tough. It's just not as tough as UKSF selection... any Navy seal worth his salt and clued up will know this!
Its probably better to put the full podcast here on youtube fascial expressions make a story much better.
Don't disrespect sbs
@@paulda4615 This is advice abut a podcast...not sure what you're talking about.
@@snakeeyes007 lmfao ikr
dont disrespect the pizza parlah
Lets just say that the top SF in the world are all within shouting distance of each other, They cross train with other countries, about the only thing that really separates them is equipment...be it weapon systems, intel gathering systems etc.
Is the full video online somewhere? Apart from these short clips all I can find is audio versions.
SBS not like seals but at that time probably only way it cane across to Delta.
There are a few things that are certain in life: Death, taxes, and Shrek shitting on the SEALS whenever given the opportunity.
How do I find the whole video to this or podcast? I'd love to listen or watch them
Spotify
He’s done a recent podcast with Shawn Ryan. Great listen
Just listened to the full podcast. Seems there was a LOT cut out, maybe an hour or more?
Also, there were some bits where you could hear John not answering Chris because didn't want to one-up him even more. Like when Chris mentions how SAS is working with maps from the 1940s while the Americans have 12 satellite maps, 24 hrs maps if you wanted analysis. Meanwhile, John is thinking, "Dude, 10-15 years ago, we could live ISR assets that could resolve license plates undetected until the moment we raid the compound. Now, our infantry platoons don't roll outside the wire without assets to provide top cover."
Yeah….now watch McPhee in his own fucking video on Tora Bora and why you don’t rely on technology. UKSF train that way for a reason you muppet.
What about the British E Squadron, or have you never heard of them
If they are serious operators, nobody should ever hear of them.
@gammin_grandpa2546 that's why its called E, the 5th
@invisibleman1459 I don't know man, I was taught never to bring attention to the unit. Guess that's been thrown out the window the last 20 years. There was a time when the special operator ethos meant something.
Love Shrek. He’s stories are the best🇺🇸🇺🇸🤘🏻🤘🏻
The SBS where probably thinking who the fcuk arebthese guys.Are these this unit that was based off of usbin one way or another.
Delta is superior in every way, this isn’t the 80s anymore, the outline for all SF was started by sas, but modern tier one operators and operations is lead by the us military, the budget is bigger, the training has been pioneered by them, they have seen more combat and have more experience than any units in the world because of the gwot.
@@Hansthecontra1988Wromg you fool! Total
And utter
Tripe!!!
@@Abefroman-lq3md Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS
the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
@ . Kid have you served? Let me explain something to you. It’s not the fancy kit or the huge budgets that make a SF Regiment great, it’s the training and the men! The fact you can’t see past your countries flag and all its jingoistic propaganda tells me you are some kid who reads books, but doesn’t know jack about what makes the SAS and SBS so respected and admired. The selection and training of British SF is still the best in the world. Delta are excellent and have the money, but man for man they are no better than the Regiment. Delta operators have actually stated this! As for DEVGRU, the SBS is a far more professional and disciplined Unit.
@@Abefroman-lq3md let me put this into perspective for you, the Delta Force as elite as they are, are still only the 4th best special forces unit in the US, the DEVGRU is our 5th best, i love how you just ignored everything i wrote and acted like DEVGRU and Delta Force are the only 2 we have, yes the Delta and DEVGRU are above the SAS and SBS, but once again our top 3 units are the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and the SAC/SOG, they are a step above literally ALL the rest, including the SAS and SBS, even without the kits and budgets, the US soldier is still better than the British soldier man for man, your own British journalist and SAS commanders admit that the Delta is better, our 4th and 5th best is still better than the tip top best the UK has to offer, that alone says everything that needs to be said regarding the topic
SBS = Devgru formally Team 6, SAS = Delta, all 4 are tier one units!
SA and SB are the ones 👌🏻
24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, Delta Force, G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG are the ones, they stand at the top
John mcfee is why I fear the US Army.but I do like him
I love all the butt-hurt comments even though none of them have any skin in the game. It's like arguing about who's dad can beat up another guys dad. They all talk crap but fight next to each other in the end. Chill out!
It's so damn annoying, randos wanting to ride coattails of their country's special forces, as if these units are all competing against each other like a sports league or something.
Mostly Yanks doin the mouthin off!
@@Abefroman-lq3md Lol found another pot! have you met the kettle yet?
Trust me Sheriff .....it will work.
SBS the shakey boat service 🤪.
It’s actually Special Bus Service
Bell end
“We killed hundreds of dudes” no wonder Tim said he was not the guy to teach you how to be a human 😂
Think it’s more like navy seals like sbs
Not at all. Completely different lineages. Converging evolution, Shrek didn't mispeak.
The fact that he didn't know who the SBS was say's a lot.
Then ssuming if they're the equivalent to Navy Seal after. Jesus. And US media still has the occasional nerve to place Delta ahead of SAS/SBS on their clickbaiteys when it appears so as if they're on a different planet.
@@NeroAngelo616 🤡 Insecure Brit much....news flash, Delta is likely miles ahead, and only the Brits say otherwise.
He doesn't know about the Beefeaters at the Tower of London either, he's American.
the US has even more secretive and elite units that are a step above even the SAS, SBS, Delta Force, and DEVGRU, its called G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG
@@NeroAngelo616 Delta isnt even the tip top best in the US and yet they are still better than the SAS and SBS yes
That made me laugh sooo hard. These guys...truly adrenaline rushed, testosterone pumped dudes...D boys dont want to work with lite weight seals 😅😅😅...Im just a lazy trucker...but I love this stuff...the baddest of the bad...dont b jivin...😅😅😅
A friend of mine, Staff Sgt Penman bravely served his country for over 10 years in 3 Para and latterly in the elite regiment of the SAS (22 SAS Mountain Group B) alongside Billy Bingham.
A very dear friend of mine too Shannon miss his chats so much legend of a man
@MrD1981 Dave was an absolute legend. Someone i looked upto. We had some interesting conversations and he understood my CPTSD and told me not to be to hard onmyself after my dad abused me when i was a kid. Im an army brat, my dad was Royal Signals and he put me through hell i attempted suicide when i was 15. Dave is sorely missed.
@ sorry to hear that Shannon as David said keep your head up keep moving forward always a little further 👊 did you read his book? He gave me it to read when he finished it and every word you read you can hear his voice telling you his story I still keep in touch with his good lady over in the far east lovely lady she sorely misses him to this day bless her ❤️
@MrD1981 Thankyou. Yes David did say that to me. He was a great guy. Im glad he didnt come over and sort my dad out. Yes i read Davids book. It's an excellent read. Heartbreaking at times and last conversation we had was the treatment of veterans. We need Veterans Affairs like in USA so veterans can get the help and support, veterans can get off the streets. We should be looking after our veterans. The RBL arent doing enough.
I dont think SAS or SBS think themseleves as Tier one units....their just cut above the rest.
They KNOW they are
We don’t have tiers here
Lol Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS
the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
@@CMOT101 Lol Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS
the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
SBS are Dev Group equivalent, ! SAS are equivalent to Delta the Unit
No. The SAS are far above Delta and the SBS are way about Dev Group.
@@CMOT101 LOL, no.
@@johanlassen6448 bless, I know yanks think they are the best at everything but the truth is most NATO forces think Yanks are a joke. My Aussie mate got back from deployment and couldn't slag off the yanks enough for how dumb and useless they were. Aussies kept telling them to put out their cigerettes and the yanks refused " because they were Americans" and of course they constantly gave their positions away.
My brother was a Para and he couldn't stand being deployed near yanks. He said there was far more chance of being killed by yank friendly fire than by the enemy.
SAS and SBS look down on Yank "special" forces because they are 'special alright'
Truth is, if NATO or the Yank military want an impossible mission doing, they don't send Delta. They ask for the SAS.
@@CMOT101 Except that literally never happened.
@@johanlassen6448 it all did. Yanks are utter shit. You've only got numbers going for you.
Btw the delta child like tribalism is probably the greatest weakness they have. It’s the reason the rangers are now elite standalone CQB stallions. General mccrystal wanted to make an example out of why you don’t hoard time sensitive targets and not be a team player. - but It turns out SAS went for 2 weeks then went home. The legit reasoning was: THE COMMANDER OF 22 SAS WANTED TO SAVE THEM for IRAQ #2 in THE event UK WAS ATTACKED. BECAUSE SAS operate in the uk. The job of a tier one team is hostage rescue. Normally you use 82nd/10th mountain/ 101st/ Green Berets/ Tier 2 Units. Let’s face it. Tier 1 units can’t survive with out CAS. So it’s a weakness of small units. I don’t think the commander’s decision was wrong. He needed to keep a HR capability for the Uk in the event osama or somebody attacked somewhere and took hostages.
Like all elite formations…..specially trained personnel, carrying out special operations!
Different jobs require different skills/mind set!
we was nicked named sandbag company as we had a captain that was 23y and volunteered us for everything if you wanted a shit sandwich with egg we made it loool was 6 of us sent out with 50 afgan army to find the forward line of enemy forces 2 weeks before panthers claw was told yer there only 200 Taliban in there was 550 Taliban killed in the first day of the op loool was more like 3000 in there lairs pmsfl we was dropping two motor lines fire 3 rounds drop 50 meters fire 3 rounds drop 50 meters until we got out was the fastest iv ran in my life loool
As far as I'm aware the SAS & SBS do the same selection at the beginning but then specialising in their own skills.
I mean it can't be fun being in the water in say the North sea, wind rain extreme cold 😮
Extreme conditions not like a swimming pool 😂
Definitely not for the faint of heart.
SBS & SBS are both good at their jobs.
Don't think one is better than the other
Back in the day they were separate units, but now they've been amalgamated into a single entity
Now you all do selection as a whole, then choose to specialise after acceptance
@@theophrastusbombastus1359
Yeah it makes sense to have both specialists in their own right.
Both doing the initial selection stops the " we're better" nonsense.
Had a Sgt in my Battery who was ex 29 Commando & he told me his brother was SBS. Was a good bloke.
The main selection itself (6 months) is done together. After that the SAS get badged and join their units whilst the SBS do another 2-3 months of amphibious, diving training.
SBS Better looking taller and more humorous
Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS
the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
People forget that basically every special forces including America was based around how the SAS AND SBS operate and that’s simple facts and history
And??
doesnt matter, US special forces are still above the SAS and SBS, we literally have the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, Delta Force, G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG, the best of the best on earth
@
brother you have nothing on us besides numbers. America has lost basically every war it’s been in/started. Afghan,Iraq,Korea,Russia,Cuba there’s honestly way more no disrespect but Britain is on another league then America honestly disrespectful to even put our two countries in that comparison we have a thousand plus years of war that we adapt on
@@UserName-om6ft we have shit floating in our River Thames older then America
@@Zymon-dm7cv "America has lost basically every war it’s been in/started"
Lol is this supposed to be a joke? the US has not once ever lost a single war its gotten into, 248 years and still an undefeated war record, the US has won every war its started since 1776, the US have just won the war in Syria a few weeks ago, the US won in Iraq twice 1991 Gulf War and 2003 invasion, the US won in Kosovo, Libya, Korea twice, the US defeated both Afghanistan and Russia in Syria, American farmers humiliated the British empire in 1776, the US defeated Germany twice and the Japanese empire, saved the UK twice, defeated the Spanish empire, won against the Ottoman empire in the 1st and 2nd Barbary wars 1805 and 1815, the US defeated Cuba 4 times, invasion of Grenada in 1983, Nancahuazu Guerilla War in 1967, Cuban Rebellion in 1912, and the Spanish-American War in 1898
the US has won hundreds of wars since 1776, won 833 battles (probably more by now after our recent victory in Syria) 3rd most in human history in only 248 years, the US has achieved more war victories than countries with literal ancient history dating back thousands of years BC, the US military is an absolute master class, one of the finest war fighting war winning nations on earth
the UK on the other hand has factually lost every single war in the history of its country and havent even won a single battle since Waterloo, which is really just a Prussian victory than anything, the UK lost in Afghanistan 3 times, Anglo-Afghan war 1842, Anglo-Afghan war 1919, and the 2001 war in Afghanistan, the UK lost in Iraq twice, the UK lost in Korea and lost to Russia, the US never had a war with Russia except in Syria which the US won, the UK lost to Iceland 3 times, lost to Boer farmers in 1881, the UK lost in Egypt, Cyprus, Yemen, Mali, Israel, and of course lost to American corn farmers with pitch forks in 1776 who had to later save those same Brits from Germany in WW2
you're right its disrespectful to even compare the 2 countries considering how much more overwhelmingly elite the US is compared to the British, we are on a whole other league above you and it doesnt even come close
Stirling's men all the way
Nope, the SBS are way above your Seals. Tier one units.
Lol the US has Tier 1 units like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force which are all far above the SAS and SBS
the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
@@UserName-om6ftnice to know you have served in all of those units then, what career you had.
LOL!
US:
C Tier: Air Force, Navy, Standard Army
B Tier: Marine Corps, 82nd and 101st Airborne
A Tier: Marine Recon, MARSOC, Night Stalkers, Green Beret, 75th Rangers, Navy Seals
A++ Tier: 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, Delta Force
S Tier: G Squadron, Black Squadron, SAC/SOG
UK:
D Tier: Standard Army
C Tier: Royal Marines
B- Tier: SAS and SBS
😂 😂
Kah3...i hate seals...
Did they steal your 🐟
Delta force just has the better toys, sas still said to be the best with greatest success rate in their missions.
Robert Nairac disagrees with you
@@apintofbeer1667 it’s what it says when I look it up
I simply have to disagree. The fact of the matter is that American Special Forces have shown that they are the best in the world. American SF have killed more high value targets than the British, New Zealanders, and the Australians combined. Also, take into account that the Americans have rescued more hostages than the aforementioned countries combined. The fact of the matter is that American SF are the best in the world. FACT.
@@markfullbrighton5070 its not what ive been shown when I’ve searched. Where did you look? Everywhere i look it shows sas one of the best if not the best.
And they’ve been around since ww2 and have much more experience
@@giannister No disrespect but please tell me that you don't get paid for your input because you would have starved to death. Secondly, your research has been piss poor. The fact of the matter is that the internet is a terribly unreliable source for information. Lastly, sure the SAS have been around longer than American SF, but that is simply not an objection to anything that I have said. The fact of the matter is that American SF have killed more HVT's and rescued more hostages than many countries combined. In my view, this classifies American SF as the best in the world.
Agreed sbs tier 1 from an ex para reg
" ex para reg " ...who cares knobber
Americans are the best special forces to Americans. SAS and SBS are the best SF unit on the planet and are unbeaten. 50% if not more countries base their training on the SAS. Including Seals and Delta. Fact.
Notice the only people whinging in the comments are American? Deluded hero mentality at its best. Proved my comment right in many ways.
Imagine thinking these stupid pissing matches prove anything. Each unit is setup for their own specific purposes - no one is "competing" against each other.
Absolute nonsense.
There is essentially no difference between these dudes except American SOF have higher budgets and therefore better equipment. American SOF have the highest number of HVTs killed/captured, and for the past 20 years it has been American SOF units that have taken down the nr 1 terrorist HVTs in the world, not British ones.
Your tiny island nation has less money, a smaller and less diverse recruiting pool, and less combat experience. Shut up, American SOF blows UKSF out of the water everyday of the week
😆US has far more talent to pick from
Comparing UK top units to US is like comparing UK Olympic athletes to US. No comparison.
Dude is a hater of seals and everyone else
Chris looks down on the SBS
Duncan Falconer explained it well. Pre GWOT, SBS was always looked down upon by SAS. They didn’t have a chance to prove themselves, they didn’t receive nearly the same amount of funding. Now however that doesn’t matter, the SBS are as good at the SAS and even better at maritime ops
@@rp4712 SAS has its own amphibious squadron which is great but SBS will win in that department.
@@boxerwayne6660 I know, boat troop
God there's something wrong with the Americans on these UA-cam comment sections regarding SF, they're deluded and so fucked up 😂
Id put money on he doesn't 😉
There would be no delta force without the sas . Delta was built on what it's founder had seen from the SAS.. unlike the yanks us brits didn't shoot anything that moved or bomb anything that wasn't already bombed
there would be no UK without the US saving them from Germany in WW2,
Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS
the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
Don't forget the SAS and SBS taught the delta force and green team how to get the job done.
never happened, and SAS and SBS arent better than Delta or DEVGRU
@@UserName-om6ft they most certainly are. The whole SF ideal is built from the SAS and SBS. Ask 90% of US SF that served with UKSF and they’ll tell you how good they are.
@@Danaddison1 not even close, your own SAS commanders admit that the US Delta Force is better, SAS and SBS has never proven to be better than Delta or DEVGRU
@@UserName-om6ft There can never be a direct comparison, but UKSF selection is known to be tougher then the American. I mean, US seal selection/training is equivalent to British Marine basic training etc. And I’d like to see where SBS and SAS commanders said Delta are better.
@@Danaddison1 how is seal training equal to British marine training? i havent heard something so brainIess in my entire life, even US MARSOC and US Marine Recon has longer and harder trainings than Royal Marines, let alone the Seals
even your own SAS commander Lieutenant Colonel Richard Williams prefers the Delta over his own SAS soldiers, and i quote directly "A common thread runs throughout Task Force Black that makes it difficult not to come away with the impression that the units’ relationship has since evolved. Today they seem to exist almost like siblings, with Delta - backed by the enormous might and budget of the United States military machine (and JSOC in particular) - playing big brother to the SAS’s little brother.
Besides merely wanting in on some of Delta’s action, the SAS’s commanding officer at the time, Lt. Col. Richard Williams, openly admired General McChrystal and was described as an unabashed Americanophile, SAS Commander Lt. Col. Richard Williams stated he would have preferred to have commanded Delta than his own men. He constantly challenged Task Force Black (mockingly referred to as “Task Force Slack” prior to their JSOC integration) to match the pace and intensity of the Americans. And when the SAS was at its most lethal, Urban described it as “operating in the style of Delta.”
The units’ assaulters even began to look more and more alike. The SAS is described as transitioning to the practice of wearing their sidearms on the front of their body armor in a similar fashion to the Americans rather than in leg holsters as they typically had previously while also adopting the same Crye Precision MultiCam camouflage gear that was popular with Delta operators - some even complete with Stars and Stripes-adorned ‘Fuck al-Qaeda’ patches
even SAS admits that Delta is better "we the SAS have been surpassed by the Delta as the best special forces on the planet" even your own British journalist Mark Urban covers the entire subject
Not like "navy seals" better....
Navy Seals are only tier 2 they are only 9th best in the US which goes to show just how elite US soldiers are
the US has Tier 1 units like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force which are all far above the SAS and SBS
the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
SAS didn't like the SBS doing a better job out there.
The main difference I see, is that when the SAS go in; EVERY terrorist dies and EVERY hostage lives. When I hear about Yank special forces, it always seems to be: mostly everyone dies.
LOL American JSOC has rescued more more hostages in the past 2 decades then Uk, Aussie, NZ and
Canada SF (combined)
Thats Russian special forces.
Please don't embarrass yourself again. I would actually say Delta Force and ST6 are superior to the SAS. If you look at which units have taken out more high value targets in the last couple of decades, Delta Force and ST6 are miles ahead. In fact, it was either Delta or ST6 that rescued a bunch of British hostages and David Cameron actually thanked them, so stay in your lane boys.
thats hilarious, in 2015 the Delta Force conducted the biggest hostage rescue near Hawija in Iraq where the Delta Force rescued 70 hostages, where is the SAS with these kinds of numbers? in operation Abalone in 2003 the US Delta Force and British SAS were sent to four compounds in Ramadi to search for a Sudanese jihadist, the Delta Force effectively cleared their two compounds without any issues, however the SAS failed in their last building as they suffered several casualties in which the US Delta Force had to come in and clear the compounds themselves due to SAS failures
@@UserName-om6ft US: joke. They label a force AFTER they've made the acronym up, SWAT, DELTA FORCE. And our forces ALWAYS know where Yanks are; behind, and a bigger risk than the enemy in front. Standing joke. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
SAS and SBS are way above the Seals and Delta… every decorated US vet will agree.
Lol SAS are a joke. Their budget is TINY and their MODERN experience is very small. They serve as roles in the UK that normal police do in the US
Don't talk crap sunshine you sound like a real Moby.
Tier 1 US special forces like the 24th STS, RRC, ISA, DEVGRU, and Delta Force are all far above the SAS and SBS
the US even has units that are all a step above even Tier 1 operators like the G Squadron, Black Squadron, and SAC/SOG which are above all the rest including the SAS and SBS
the corroborated history laid out by Sean Naylor, Christ Martin, Mark Urban, Toby Harden, Michael Schdimitt, Shawn Ryan, several SAS veterans, and many more, all suggest that the Delta Force is the better Special Forces Unit, Sine Pari.
@Spudniic Yeah, guess U.S. special operators are trash. Smh
@gammin_grandpa2546 then explain why SAS commanders them selves admit the Delta Force is better?
LIke navy seals LOL
Lol yanks have no idea.
The Seals and Delta are girl scouts in comparison to the SAS
Please don't embarrass yourself again. I would actually say Delta Force and ST6 are superior to the SAS. If you look at which units have taken out more high value targets in the last couple of decades, Delta Force and ST6 are miles ahead. In fact, it was either Delta or ST6 that rescued a bunch of British hostages and David Cameron actually thanked them, so stay in your lane boys.
@@markfullbrighton5070yeah right 😂 the SAS have been actively involved in every war to date. Every USSF will tell you that the brits SF are better, Wether they like to admit it or not!
@@markfullbrighton5070and i would like to just remind you that the SBS had osama bin laden in there sights and could have taken him out but high command wouldn’t allow it because the Americans wanted to be the one’s who took him out 😂😂 crying like big baby’s they are lol American military has got nothing on UK military man for man, just more money but money doesn’t buy experience something that the US lacks 😂😂😂😂
@@robocop3961 No disrespect, but you are not very informed on the matter, are you? Firstly, I acknowledge that the British SAS and SBS have been around longer, but in my view, they have been surpassed by American Special Forces. In the recent decades, American Special Forces have taken out more high value targets and hostage rescues than the British and Australians combined. Secondly, even some of your own soldiers have acknowledged that the SAS has been surpassed by Delta Force. Lastly, there was a British officer that worked with American Special Forces, and he said the Americans were so good that he wished he was in command of them rather than his own British unit.
@@markfullbrighton5070 as you say ‘in your view’ 😁👍🏼
Nothing and nobody is above our SAS and SBS. They teach others how to fight.😊
Dude SAS budget is tiny and they very little MODERN experience. All their recent ops have been headlined in newspapers as embarrassing failures.
Lol they haven't taught anyone how to fight in the last 40 years, mean while Delta schooled you lot every day during GWOT
@ssgtomen621 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Read your reply!!
@karenrobinson129 Solid counter - maybe more facts than emojis? "When SAS were at their most lethal, they were in the style of Delta" Mark Urban
Sine Pari
@ssgtomen621 Deary me. Tell me, was the SAS formed before Delta.
Sbs more like delta
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