No Hard Drive, No Problem! (OK, Some Problem)

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  • Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
  • Thanks PCBWay.com - I've had this G3-upgraded PowerBook 2400c with a totally fried IDE controller for a while now. It's great in every other respect. So, let's SHOW it some respect, and get it booting from a PC card! But... can we install OSX!?
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 101

  • @AaronHuslage
    @AaronHuslage Рік тому +113

    Xpostfacto copies the OS from the cdrom onto the hard drive to boot. You select a "helper" disk to copy to in the menu, and your helper disk was "Stuff", not "Macintosh HD". OpenFirmware on that machine can't boot off of disks where the partition extends past 8GB. If you had selected "Macintosh HD" as the helper, it probably would have booted.

    • @hags2k
      @hags2k Рік тому +4

      I really hope to find out if this was the solution. Certainly sounds plausible 😅

    • @macmanjimmy69
      @macmanjimmy69 Рік тому +3

      Xpostfacto brings me back LOL ie Stuffit Expander Techtool Virex LOL

    • @denniswoycheshen
      @denniswoycheshen Рік тому +2

      This is how duraga1 videos are born

  • @jomeyqmalone
    @jomeyqmalone Рік тому +11

    A useful laptop option in Classic MacOS is to boot off a RAM disk that can be set up in the memory control panel. I used to do this all the time on my 3400c: turn on the laptop, copy a minimal system folder and a few apps to the RAM disc, set it as the startup disk, then restart. Once the system is rebooted, you can remove the CF card (or spin down the HD if you have one using the control strip). The battery life is awesome, and it just flies.

  • @AnimalFacts
    @AnimalFacts Рік тому +17

    I've messed with Frogfind on my Windows XP laptop and Windows 98SE running in 86Box. Both using the K-Meleon browser and IE. It works great all around. In fact, I set it as the homepage on all vintage browsers I play with.

  • @retropuffer2986
    @retropuffer2986 Рік тому +3

    Ah the old laptop confused for a toilet problem. Leeds to some really awkward moments on the plane. 💻🚽

  • @AlexBoneChannel
    @AlexBoneChannel Рік тому +12

    This reminds me of a windows 7 live CD. It was actually quitte genius since you could run it without a HDD and leave no logs whatsoever on the machine itself. Hirens boot CD 15.2 had Mini WinXP and Hirens PE 1.0.1-1.0.2 have mini Windows 10 which are more usable then you might think.

    • @rootbrian4815
      @rootbrian4815 Рік тому

      Real curious if it supports canon printers (or print/fax/copier eg. AIO units) and the modules/drivers, then I could just use that off a USB drive rather than dicking around with a VM all the time (I use linux), or just run it in a VM without consequence (windows self-destructing over time totally sucks roosters).

  • @anidnmeno
    @anidnmeno Рік тому +2

    "Through the magic of buying _two_ of them..."

  • @robsquared2
    @robsquared2 Рік тому +2

    The 2400C, it has everything, and can brain someone in a fight.

  • @john-vincentsaddic6335
    @john-vincentsaddic6335 Рік тому +1

    8:30 Looks like you have a new subscriber crawling around on the top left :)

  • @RamLaska
    @RamLaska Рік тому

    It was great meeting you at VSFSW. Thanks for signing my PinebookPro! :D
    Such a crazy fun conference. Can't wait for next year. I've already started soldering together my 8031 computer kit from the conference.

  • @PeterEmery
    @PeterEmery Рік тому +2

    I was given a pair of Pismo G3 PowerBooks, one has an internal fault that prevents it from working from an internal drive. I also have a FireWire 400 CF card reader., which can be used instead of the HDD. I use two CF cards, one of 1 GB with OS 9.2.2, the other a 32 GB unit with OS X Tiger (!0.4.11) installed. I have given it 1 GB of RAM.

  • @sandmanxo
    @sandmanxo Рік тому

    Wish i could have made it to vcf southwest. I'm only a couple hours away but it happened to be on the busiest weekend I've had in months. Excellent video as always

  • @thecorruptedbit5585
    @thecorruptedbit5585 Рік тому +2

    I've been gathering parts for a similar install. CF adapter, battery CD-ROM, and 2400c. First time that I'm learning about the manual eject hole for the CF card, though! I thought you had to power it on just to eject with the buttons...

  • @ShearWater509
    @ShearWater509 Рік тому +1

    Hey! I love my Graphite iBook G3! Used it through my last 2 years of college and still have it! Toilet seat?!!! Blasphemy!!

  • @bryans8656
    @bryans8656 Рік тому +4

    I always enjoy your videos even when things don't go as planned. Or maybe I enjoy those more... 😁

  • @AnotherFreakingDude
    @AnotherFreakingDude Рік тому +3

    you could probably boot it manually from the OpenFirmware terminal, you just need to list the deteccted devices and find what id actually points to the volume.

  • @JohnSmith-xq1pz
    @JohnSmith-xq1pz Рік тому

    Action Retro: Look mom, no HDD!
    Apple that's illegal!!

  • @yorgle
    @yorgle Рік тому

    I have a bunch of old PowerBooks (duo 280c, 500 series, 100 series) and one of the things i did a couple years back was to remove the battery packs from each of them (which were starting to bleed blue death) cleaned up the corrosion in the machines, and stored the batteries as-is, in ziplock bags. If i want to refurb the batteries, i have them for later, and they can't damage the machines anymore. :)

  • @MarionetteKazuko
    @MarionetteKazuko Рік тому

    1:35 Japanese 2400C : Who me? Nothing, TSssss, just hangin' around.......

  • @KuntalGhosh
    @KuntalGhosh Рік тому +1

    you can easily fix the lcd by replacing the two polariser layers from both sides of the lcd. i did it on a 32inch sony tv in 2 hours , the most difficult part is to clean the glue and be prepared to use some weird chemicals .. for me kerosine & a blade removed the glue. rubbing alcohol & paint thinner could not remove the glue! you can buy the polariser sheets and cut to size.

    • @KuntalGhosh
      @KuntalGhosh Рік тому

      with age the glue degrades and thats why the display looks bad.

  • @JosheyplayzXD
    @JosheyplayzXD Рік тому

    my fav youtuber i really like your pcs and everything u make u made me get some really old apple things ur my fav thanks!

  • @DevilsHandyman
    @DevilsHandyman Рік тому

    I was great to see you at VCF SW!

  • @electricmiragemedia
    @electricmiragemedia Рік тому

    PowerBook 2400c was my computer for 3 years or so. I played quake 2 and unreal on it. Quake 2/AQ2 was a smooth experience at 320x240, but Unreal ran around 16-18 FPS at the same resolution. Still, I loved it despite the performance struggle.

  • @itdtv2510
    @itdtv2510 Рік тому

    My Thinkpad from 95 eats those CF card readers up! I don't know why but they always just stop working and I have to get a new one every couple months.

  • @christianguerrero6987
    @christianguerrero6987 Рік тому

    Hope they have another con next year, found out about this day of and Richardson is 4 hours away. Hope there is another and we get to see you there

  • @sydtsai
    @sydtsai Рік тому +2

    the unofficial installer works by copying modified os x installer and boot into HDD. you need to use an working internal HDD instead. it will NOT work if booted directly from CD ROM

  • @CodingItWrong
    @CodingItWrong 11 місяців тому

    I totally had one of those combination CD-ROM drives/portable CD players! A different brand I think, but absolutely ate through AA batteries

  • @CtrAltPod
    @CtrAltPod Рік тому +1

    Isn’t that one of the ibm collaboration PowerBooks?

  • @MasterH2005
    @MasterH2005 Рік тому

    If I could somehow buy that Toshiba Libretto, I would so do it, because I absolutely love old PCs, and I've always wanted to experiment with it.

  • @damian9303
    @damian9303 Рік тому +1

    I figured it wasn’t gonna work when I saw it booting Mac OS 9 on plane in your community post

  • @andresbravo2003
    @andresbravo2003 Рік тому +1

    Sometimes Novell actually has NetWare to use as a HDD server and it works.

  • @Vallee152
    @Vallee152 Рік тому +2

    I use frogfind on my windows 10 computer sometimes, I like how stripped back it is. An issue has cropped up for me though, some hyperlinks don't seem to work.
    I looked into it myself and it's hyperlinks that link to subdirectories. Say I'm on a page with the directory of */documents* and then I want to look at a page about carrots, but the hyperlink just points to *carrots* instead of *documents/carrots*. Typical web browsers will go to */documents/carrots*, but frogfind will go to the directory of just */carrots* and will then throw an error saying "incomplete HTML" because it's looking at a 404 screen.

  • @oventree
    @oventree Рік тому

    just wanted to thank you for frogfind as it makes browsing for text way easier in emacs with its built in text based browser :)

  • @notanimposter
    @notanimposter Рік тому

    That would be the coolest machine to run Rhapsody on. If only it... worked... at all on laptops

  • @andre-le-bone-aparte
    @andre-le-bone-aparte Рік тому +1

    Question: Is there a "modern" version of linux that would run on that G3 Powerbook?

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 Рік тому

    You need a Duo 2300c. Much thinner and lighter.

  • @fsfs555
    @fsfs555 Рік тому

    Ah, OS X on a 2400. It's a fun project. I find 10.2 is the best version since it has the best video card support on these. I recommend either solid state storage or a CSS-type hard drive because OS X was really hard on disks back then. Of course, Sleep mode still doesn't work under any version of OS X, but since most of the batteries on these are kind of dead anyway it's not so much of a concern anymore. But I have several spares for the 2400. If you're really itching to get a good one, maybe we can work something out.

  • @madmax2069
    @madmax2069 Рік тому

    3:32 that looks like a mustache

  • @storm2k
    @storm2k Рік тому

    Meanwhile I'm just over here wondering where you got the tshirt from. It's like the one from Mac84, but a different one. I wants it.

  • @UpLateGeek
    @UpLateGeek Рік тому

    That's pretty cool that your 2400c is so upgraded. I heard that Apple designed the machine with the intention of releasing the G3 upgrade themselves, but that never happened so third-party upgrade makers stepped in. Sadly my 2400c doesn't have any such upgrade, and the RAM definitely isn't maxed out either. It is good to know it can boot of a CF card though. I had been meaning to install one of those mSATA to 2.5" IDE adapters with an SSD, like I used in my Powerbook G3, but perhaps I'll just pick up a CF to PCMCIA adapter instead. Actually, I think I've got a PCMCIA to SD card reader around here someplace, I wonder if that would work instead?

  • @pandahero9600
    @pandahero9600 Рік тому

    Look mom, no hard drive!

  • @robsquared2
    @robsquared2 Рік тому

    Forbidden blueberry jam :(

  • @FoxWolfWorld
    @FoxWolfWorld Рік тому

    I can never figure out where to put the milk on a cereal port

  • @onigvd77
    @onigvd77 Рік тому

    something tells me XPost will work if you use an adapter on the IDE bus and still use a CF Card. I think someone else suggested that. Also MacOS 10 has to be in the first 7GB of the drive.

  • @Verightess
    @Verightess 4 місяці тому

    it looks like if Apple made a portable DVD player.

  • @greypatch8855
    @greypatch8855 Рік тому

    PCBWAY is the way

  • @charliesretrocomputing
    @charliesretrocomputing Рік тому +3

    Hi! I love your videos ❤

  • @Eeems
    @Eeems Рік тому

    8:25 🐜

  • @FavoritoHJS
    @FavoritoHJS Рік тому

    About those mac accelerators... can they run while the original processor is also running? That could allow a decent speedup by running background processes in the slower processor to minimize context switches.
    And, how much power do the accelerators consume? Maybe disabling those on idle could be worth the effort.

    • @3rdalbum
      @3rdalbum Рік тому

      You can't run both CPUs at the same time; there is no interconnect and even if there was it's two different generations of CPU. Mac OS only supports multiprocessor machines with the exact same CPU.

  • @JohanlastZa
    @JohanlastZa Рік тому

    What de fudge. I use Frogfind on my PSP. What a coincidence...lol

  • @crabdonkey6381
    @crabdonkey6381 Рік тому

    Did you give LGR a bear?

  • @cosmefulanito5933
    @cosmefulanito5933 Рік тому

    Look, ma! Only macs.

  • @macmanjimmy69
    @macmanjimmy69 Рік тому

    where did you get that Clone Shirt ? Merch?

  • @tylerdean980
    @tylerdean980 Рік тому

    Have you considered installing netbsd on a Dreamcast?

  • @h8pewou
    @h8pewou Рік тому

    I had the same error with the same cf card setup using a Kanga (3500). I tried all PPC OS X versions and it only worked with 10.1 for some reason.

  • @lukedavis436
    @lukedavis436 Рік тому +3

    Did you not attempt to revive the corroded unit? Or at least send it to someone who CAN revive it?

    • @3rdalbum
      @3rdalbum Рік тому

      The battery gunk has gone so far on the board that it has probably eaten through enough traces and entered some of the chips; probably a lost cause by this point.

    • @lukedavis436
      @lukedavis436 Рік тому

      @@3rdalbum yeah but at the same time board necromancy is possible... Ship it off to Necroware you'd be suprised what he can do,
      Also isn't the main goal of looking after classic macs removing the Batteries and Capacitors a the earliest possible occasion?... Why do people neglect their systems!!!

  • @dionelr
    @dionelr Рік тому

    Too bad that internal connector isn't working. Maybe you'll meet someone who can fix it? Sounds like an Adrian Black kind of fix? 😅

  • @anon_y_mousse
    @anon_y_mousse Рік тому +1

    I guess Linux would be too easy, given its hardware support and all. Though, I'd love to see you use it anyway.

    • @3rdalbum
      @3rdalbum Рік тому +1

      Linux on a PPC Mac is not super easy, even today. Maybe *especially* today.

    • @anon_y_mousse
      @anon_y_mousse Рік тому

      @@3rdalbum Give me a PPC Mac and I'll give it a shot. And even if a modern distro won't work, I've got distros dating back 25 years, but I could always do LFS.

  • @greggv8
    @greggv8 Рік тому

    I wonder if Louis Rossmann could fix the hard drive problem?

  • @reidster87
    @reidster87 Рік тому +1

    Oof that PRAM/memory backup/clock battery leakage is nasty! I'm glad I already removed said battery from my PB1400 and other similar machines. That said, my PB G3 Series (292MHz) is a total nightmare without a PRAM battery installed. It will "forget" which partition to boot from and then can get stuck in an XPostFacto-induced boot loop that I can only get out of by using an external SCSI drive and specifying its SCSI ID with the five finger boot salute CMD+OPT+SHIFT+DEL+(number) at power up.

  • @davecool42
    @davecool42 Рік тому

    The insides were destroyed by the battery but then it still just boots fine? Why mention it? I must have missed something.

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 Рік тому +1

      Different laptop. He has a US model, and bought a Japanese model for parts - but the parts are all corroded.

  • @macretro_techvintage
    @macretro_techvintage Рік тому

    Interesting ! I have trying to install Mac OS X on a PowerMac G3 beige at 266Mhz desktop model for a video. I have the same message : "can't open, can't open..." And after many many trying to install OS X on the G3 beige, the last message was a black screen with many codes in hexadecimal, kernel version... and writing finaly : "we are hanging here...". Just after that, the power supply of G3 was dead. I search a new power supply for to restart the machine and reinstal Mac OS 9. Normally the G3 beige can accept Mac OS 10.28 max. I noticed many many problems with old machines on G3 cpu : for example, I had many problems for install Mac OS 10.39 on a Ibook G3 Clamshell blue model firewire at 366Mhz. It was very difficult. And on two Imac G3 Slot Loading at 350Mhz models, the machines are just dead after to try install Mac OS X. On PowerBook Wallstreet too, very difficult to install Mac OS X. I finally reinstall Mac OS 9 on the machine. So, I don't understand the problem. Perhaps to made a upgrade of firmware before install Mac OS X or other ? If someone can help me or answer me. Beforehand, thank you very much. :)

  • @scottharvey-davies1607
    @scottharvey-davies1607 9 місяців тому

    am trying to find a broken LC2 or (LCII for the purists) as have 3 g4 Ali Powerbooks in various states of working that I want to 'decant' into an LC2 (LCii ;)) pizza box...because I've never seen it done and I'm old and have no life anymore... happy to pay shipping (to a point?!) can the community help. Needless to say, will send to the channel for a shlits and wiggles review when done...

  • @RobertPayne556
    @RobertPayne556 Рік тому

    What model computer are you running?
    Make believe.
    😮

  • @KohanIkin
    @KohanIkin Рік тому

    Wait wait. You can boot a Mac from a CF card via PCMCIA?!?! I have a Pismo G3, so is there a chance that Transcend TS0MCF2PC adapter would boot faster from a CF card than the spinning rust HDD that's in there? Why didn't I ever know this before?!! If that will work, I just might have to try it....

    • @spelledfunny
      @spelledfunny Рік тому

      There's also an SSD out there that you can replace the internal drive with too.

  • @jacobmckenna8661
    @jacobmckenna8661 Рік тому

    While you can run an SSD on a thirty year old laptop, my MacBook 2,1 refuses to detect any sata ssds

  • @francoisrevol7926
    @francoisrevol7926 Рік тому

    Well, can't be worse than upgrading Debian the day before a flight and loosing the GUI 🤷

  • @Boro-tl4pz
    @Boro-tl4pz Рік тому

    Pcbway is great

  • @Maxtraxv3
    @Maxtraxv3 Рік тому

    we learn the that you should of used the whole disk as install for mac os 9 so you could install mac os 10, witch is what its warning you about.

  • @nasko8605
    @nasko8605 Рік тому

    What happend with the second laptop ? Plese don't stop here. it WILL run. Maybe hdd controller there is working :)

  • @imSomebody-m4c
    @imSomebody-m4c Рік тому +1

    Apple TOilet

  • @CodingItWrong
    @CodingItWrong 11 місяців тому

    *inserts cd-rom, slaps top of drive*
    *scratching noise, disk read error*

  • @tuff_lover
    @tuff_lover Рік тому

    How can I get in contact with you?

  • @Stealth86651
    @Stealth86651 Рік тому

    6AA's? Any idea on how long the battery life on the SCSI CD drive lasts? Stuff of those ages absolutely ate batteries even if they weren't doing much, I imagine the drive just gobbles them right out of your wallet lol.

  • @fractalMD
    @fractalMD Рік тому

    VCFSW SO MUCH FUN!

  • @bland9876
    @bland9876 Рік тому +1

    I haven't watched the video yet but if you install Linux to a thumb drive you can just stick the thumb drive in a computer and use it however you need a second thumb drive if you want to save any files because anything you do will get deleted.

  • @MSmith-Photography
    @MSmith-Photography Рік тому

    Mac OS X? That's disappointing. I was expecting CPM. 🤣

  • @wiwingmargahayu6831
    @wiwingmargahayu6831 Рік тому

    Zamzam water

  • @zeos386sx
    @zeos386sx Рік тому

    The correct answer has and always will be Omnibook 300

    • @Pasi123
      @Pasi123 Рік тому

      Nah, Omnibook 530

    • @zeos386sx
      @zeos386sx Рік тому

      @@Pasi123 but the grayscale lcd of the 300/425 will last longer on AA's.

    • @Pasi123
      @Pasi123 Рік тому

      @@zeos386sx I forgot the older ones use AA's. What's different with the LCD panels between the 300/425 and 530?

  • @froshboitv
    @froshboitv Рік тому +1

    First viewer ❤ 😊😊

  • @Pentium4Proto
    @Pentium4Proto Рік тому +2

    First or something, idk just saying first is kinda lame, unlike a powerbook g3.
    Edit: 2nd

    • @charliesretrocomputing
      @charliesretrocomputing Рік тому

      2nd view actually

    • @Pentium4Proto
      @Pentium4Proto Рік тому +1

      ​​​@@charliesretrocomputingdarn, maybe next time.

    • @charliesretrocomputing
      @charliesretrocomputing Рік тому

      @@Pentium4Proto that happened to me once, I thought I was 1st but I was 5th. Also I meant 2nd comment, you still might have been the 1st view

  • @meow.5219
    @meow.5219 Рік тому

    OwO early