Conflict of Nations WW3 - Naval Basics

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  • @conflictofnick3578
    @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому +22

    Note: The audio around 0:40 bugged out and no sound was able to be heard in the recording, so I edited it out. Basically talking about real life events, some of why I wasn't uploading, etc.
    Edit: a couple small audio bits cut out which is still in the video. That will be fixed and prevented in future videos.

    • @conflictofnationssolovicto1299
      @conflictofnationssolovicto1299 2 роки тому

      I like your videos.

    • @IWantTOYS
      @IWantTOYS 2 роки тому +1

      How can i transport troop by sea to other country?

    • @nolanmullahy618
      @nolanmullahy618 2 роки тому

      @@IWantTOYS i’m using australia and i can’t concour anything

    • @NeO_0161
      @NeO_0161 10 місяців тому

      It's gonna be exciting when you main Navy and your allies main Aircrafts, that would be a good combination if friendly air can land on ally AC. You can focus leveling up AC instead of leveling AC and aircrafts. AC is useless if you don't have a solid air units

  • @von6164
    @von6164 Рік тому +122

    Aircraft carriers should hold Marines/Special Forces/ Amphibious vehicles. This would be so realistic

  • @perryfree3903
    @perryfree3903 Рік тому +40

    I fought a Coalition in a server one time, they were the European countries, and in the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, they were running around with these 10 stacks of fully up graded Corvettes. They were launching cruise missiles from them, they kept them near the shore, and really did hit and run tactics with them and in those ten stacks they were hard to deal with even with a five stack of Cruisers. Really changed my mind on the Corvette

    • @Relayres
      @Relayres 2 місяці тому +1

      You just need Naval patrol or Naval strike fighters and they are done for, or use attack submarines, which can't be targeted with missiles

  • @stephenmartin5766
    @stephenmartin5766 2 роки тому +24

    I’ve had the joy of adding a carrier to my fleet twice.
    The 2nd time I was playing as Italy and the final battle for the game in South America I had my carrier group as well as another whole task force, Greece had TWO carriers, and Germany had his carrier there. I also moved a lot of AA and missile defense to the area and it became a buildup race until I did the first hit on his capital in a surprise attack with my stealth bomber and leveled it. The game was over in about 3 days after that

  • @skateraptor12
    @skateraptor12 Рік тому +7

    I think corvettes are GOATED for island nations, if you are researching really heavy into navy. They cost supplies rather than components, which means if you focus on electronics production you can get loads of corvettes along with loads of other ships. They really help with total naval domination imo

  • @danielwijoyo
    @danielwijoyo 2 роки тому +17

    Aircraft carrier is used for just for fun (up until this update march 2022). Rather than leveling max aircraft carrier tech tree, I would prefer make 3 of them in a convoy so they can host 15 aircraft for mobile air superiority.
    Yeah but the downside of that is you must protected it with at least decent amount of frigate-destroyer-cruiser.
    Please take a note, this gameplay only suitable if you have game friends 😂, like I'm focusing all at the navy while my friend focusing on ground unit.
    Conclusion: Use the Aircraft carrier for fun, not for versatility 😂

  • @sheltoniousmaximus6117
    @sheltoniousmaximus6117 Рік тому +9

    Corvette - The legendary transport killer

  • @mrghqrt4234
    @mrghqrt4234 2 роки тому +19

    I wish that they would make naval airborne units that would utilize the aircraft carrier. Or give infantry the ability to be carried by the aircraft carrier this would make this thing very useful

    • @jasperpeters4841
      @jasperpeters4841 2 роки тому +3

      Or that cruisers can take up marines or a bording Crew... amphibious landing ships would be nice to

    • @tonyovermyer5368
      @tonyovermyer5368 2 роки тому +2

      I agree with that. It would make some juicy Air assault divisions extremely viable. Use cruisers to shell cities of AA and then drop in air assault teams to finish off what's left

    • @11am2
      @11am2 Рік тому

      This doesn't exist in real life yet though. I think they based the game off real life

    • @mrghqrt4234
      @mrghqrt4234 Рік тому

      @@11am2i understand what you’re saying. But if that was the case it’s very unrealistic that ships don’t stop to refuel or rearm their weapons. Like aircraft do

    • @mrghqrt4234
      @mrghqrt4234 Рік тому

      @@11am2 And no the invisible tanker theory won’t cut it

  • @raikuy_jl
    @raikuy_jl Рік тому +2

    Don't apologize for not uploading bro. We get you. Every video is highly appreciated, love the content. Kinda the only person with such deep knowledge on the game passing it on.

  • @johnnymatheis1018
    @johnnymatheis1018 Рік тому +2

    Excellent explanation of ships. I usually begin with about two corvettes, or anywhere from one to four, and never level those up. Any corvettes that survive I just use to "plug up holes" or defend some coastline. I hadn't thought of using them in a stack to detect subs. I may try that.

  • @Justlibing010
    @Justlibing010 Рік тому +3

    Proud to say that I just got my first carrier and another on the way while playing as the United States

  • @alpha5449
    @alpha5449 Рік тому +15

    Corvette is good to intercept transports. It would be nice if the carrier could host the same amount of friendly aircraft as of its own. Also should have a little bit more of self defense (real carrier have a lot it).

  • @Krxpzy
    @Krxpzy 2 роки тому +27

    Love the videos nick! Don’t feel rushed to make them if you aren’t feeling well. also I’d love a series on what to do in the first ten days of starting a game❤️

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому

      There will be things like that in the future. 😊

    • @adidumitru1646
      @adidumitru1646 2 роки тому

      @@conflictofnick3578 I also like a series for the middle of the game or the late game OR how you make some stacks or scout an enemy and change tactics acording to what he has !

  • @maartenV3
    @maartenV3 2 роки тому +6

    nice video
    I share your oppinion about the carrier. Another feature i would like to see on a carrier, that you can land/air assault airmobile infantry, to conduct and air assault over sea.

  • @ThinBlueLineGuardian
    @ThinBlueLineGuardian 2 роки тому +7

    Just found your channel, love the content mate! They have helped me the last couple of days learning how to build my military.

  • @bradfletcher772
    @bradfletcher772 2 роки тому +2

    Keep it up man!! Don’t worry about when you upload because Wel be here waiting. Because the content is worth it.

  • @MichaelNavarrete87
    @MichaelNavarrete87 2 роки тому +4

    I love what you're doing here!
    Seems like there's only a very small handful of CON content out there and I've been trying to get breakdowns on units since I started playing in 2020. I'd love to see individual unit videos with some game play as well. Stumbled across this one 13 hours after you made it! Like I said, loving it so far man. Keep em coming for sure and don't worry about the pace, man. Times have been difficult, and your personal needs are more important than this game. From California, God bless!

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому

      I am very happy you were able to find my channel and that these videos were able to help you. I appreciate the words and we are all in this together.

  • @fireflygaming491
    @fireflygaming491 2 роки тому +5

    Artillery is severely underrated

  • @williamcmartin4
    @williamcmartin4 4 місяці тому

    use the corvette in mid and late games to attack approaching vessels and take the hits while your cruisers take the approaching vessels out at range

  • @dylanthompson9683
    @dylanthompson9683 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome video Nick, I agree with the Aircraft carrier issue it would make sense for friendly nations to be able to land planes on each others carriers though at the same time I could see where that would be a problem if the player that landed the planes went inactive or the person who owns the aircraft carrier got it sunk and took everyone’s planes down with them

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому

      There are certainly ups and downs. Trolls are everywhere, even in CoN, or sometimes, as you said… it can simply be no trolling at all. Just inactivity.

    • @tonyovermyer5368
      @tonyovermyer5368 2 роки тому +1

      There could be a mechanic where allied planes land on a carrier to refuel and then move to another location

    • @dylanthompson9683
      @dylanthompson9683 2 роки тому

      @@tonyovermyer5368 good idea

    • @aslam8437
      @aslam8437 Рік тому

      Maybe the owner of carriers can remove that stack if he doesn't want them in his carrier

  • @jacobsteiner2822
    @jacobsteiner2822 2 роки тому +3

    Like the video but I disagree with your opinion of the aircraft carrier. In my experience I have had them a few times. One tactic I like them for is I can use the strike fighters to locate enemy ships quick without having to move my fleet also naval strike fighters do a good damage to ships and hit faster then a stack of ships could.

  • @cesaralvarez5601
    @cesaralvarez5601 Рік тому +1

    Recently i confront in a public map a guy who spam 3 carriers. He was in America, but have lands on Europe (where i was). He plays very bad the Carrier, well, i managed to kill his figthers while off line using my stack of frigates lv2. Then, he try to ram me with the Carriers stacked with destroyers.
    I love so much the frigates, but they are soo slow... If where more quickly, i feel that i don't need another ship at all, because using hit and run, they could do decent damage.
    For other side, i ever pass the destroyer, but i see this guy using stacks of 5 of them. If i would use my SF to defeat this stack, i would lose many figthers to destroy the stack, because in group they could do decent point defense damage. They are "jack of all trades, master of none", but focus on only this ship could allows to use more electronics for fighters and you can spawn a strong navy quickly because you can focus on level only one kind of ship.
    I feel that Destroyers must not be understimated by it's lack of active anti air.

  • @Kevin371
    @Kevin371 2 роки тому +1

    Happy to see you back here
    Keep going💪

  • @nemanjapetrovic459
    @nemanjapetrovic459 2 роки тому +2

    Nice video, i using max lvl Cruisers in companion with max lvl Frigates and some Destroyers.

  • @ethanhenry7038
    @ethanhenry7038 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks bro just started con and these helped a lot 🙏

  • @WhoooopThatTrick
    @WhoooopThatTrick 2 роки тому +1

    Hell yeah bro!! Been waiting for this one 💯

  • @mukasv7936
    @mukasv7936 2 роки тому +1

    Very good video. I’m subscribing, I just started conflict of nations

  • @BlitZnGodzilla117
    @BlitZnGodzilla117 2 роки тому +3

    I remember one guy beelined carriers in my battleground USA, I killed his only carrier with spam of corvettes and since then I've thought that carriers are useless

    • @BlitZnGodzilla117
      @BlitZnGodzilla117 2 роки тому

      Funny thing was he golded for it too

    • @danielwijoyo
      @danielwijoyo 2 роки тому +1

      carrier are useless with out destroyer (good against ship and sub) for AA you can just use the aircraft inside the carrier.
      if 1 carrier vs 10 corvete have a match, ofc the corvete win 😄😂🤣

    • @xsupremeyx9923
      @xsupremeyx9923 2 роки тому

      @@danielwijoyo that depends tho, if the carrier has good anti ship aircraft like naval strikers or npas, corvettes might die before the carrier

  • @chadclark4014
    @chadclark4014 Рік тому +5

    How would you organize a Carrier Strike Group? I know you need a carrier, but how many Cruisers, Destroyers, Frigates and Submarines for the group as well as aircraft the carrier should carry?

    • @Jay-om8gr
      @Jay-om8gr Рік тому +5

      I always play as an island focused on a navy. I use a carrier level 3, two frigates level 5, two destroyers level 5. I carry anti amour helicopters and naval strike and a couple air superiority fighters.

  • @calebtfa
    @calebtfa 2 роки тому +2

    loved the video man helped a lot!

  • @zunayedahmed9850
    @zunayedahmed9850 4 дні тому

    Thank you for this !

  • @NeO_0161
    @NeO_0161 10 місяців тому

    It's gonna be exciting when you main Navy and your allies main Aircrafts, that would be a good combination if friendly air can land on ally AC. You can focus leveling up AC instead of leveling AC and aircrafts. AC is useless if you don't have a solid air units

  • @maverickboss1813
    @maverickboss1813 Рік тому +1

    did anyone else notice the paint it black melody playing

  • @shawngadberry3052
    @shawngadberry3052 2 роки тому +1

    Can you do a video about hit and run takticks or different strategies to help.

  • @AdityaChaseFan
    @AdityaChaseFan 2 місяці тому

    Hey, may I know the music you use? it sounds beautiful

  • @skateraptor12
    @skateraptor12 Рік тому

    I just realized the music is a weird ambient rendition of Rolling Stones-Paint It Black

  • @Dan_Hall
    @Dan_Hall 2 роки тому +1

    I don't have "NAVAL BASE" in my "Buildings tab. How do I get "NAVAL BASE" show up in my buildings tab???

  • @_FATIH_BG
    @_FATIH_BG 5 місяців тому

    I don't understand that how to use aircraft carrier 🤔🤔

  • @綾裹石
    @綾裹石 2 роки тому +23

    For corvettes, sometimes in late game especially solo your enemy have crazy cruise missiles and aircraft and with submarines, those corvette can be used as a submarine scanner for a cruiser stack, and can protect coastal cities. Otherwise will waste a lot of component during supply surplus on destroyers instead of more useful cruisers and frigates. Helps me win a USA solo against a golder recently. And SLAVA UKRAINE.

    • @danielwijoyo
      @danielwijoyo 2 роки тому +5

      Oh so we can use the corvete as Coast guard at homeland or ....
      combine it with submarine for detection?
      Wow never thought it that way.
      I use the corvete at early game to make a decoy for invasion 😂. Best prank ever (if the enemy stupid enough and fell for it LMAO).

    • @綾裹石
      @綾裹石 2 роки тому

      Really depends on style if too much electronics can go for subs, but usually I have too much supply to spend and always not enough component so I will mobilize some corvette

    • @danielwijoyo
      @danielwijoyo 2 роки тому

      @@綾裹石 Manny Supply make corvete, many component make destroter, many electronic make subs

    • @BestSalesman
      @BestSalesman 2 роки тому

      Also, what ship you recommend Me to research?(Eastern doctrine) Just started a US Battle map (forgot the name of the title and I'm too lazy to go back read it) Using Cuba and I'm planning getting a good navy.

    • @aslam8437
      @aslam8437 Рік тому

      @@綾裹石 so bro corvette can help cruisers to find subs and finish off them without getting any damage to the cruisers stack?

  • @ben7510
    @ben7510 2 роки тому +2

    One thing to 📝 note.
    Corvettes are your best friends in defense or shallow waters. A stack of Corvettes maxed are a nightmare to any ship or sub if you stack them with frigets maxed out nothing can touch your homeland ports.
    Never use Corvettes in open ocean or long open ocean voyage they're vulnerable and pretty much useless.

    • @danielwijoyo
      @danielwijoyo 2 роки тому +1

      what best stack for coastal defence? Is it 5 stack corvete, 4 corvete + 1 frigate, or 3 corvete, 1 frigate, 1 destroyer?

    • @ben7510
      @ben7510 2 роки тому

      @@danielwijoyo 5 Corvettes 2/3 frigates and 2/3 destroyers/Cruisers will be super

    • @danielwijoyo
      @danielwijoyo 2 роки тому +1

      @@ben7510 the max optimum stack for naval is 5 right?
      so should I use 3 corvete, 1 frigate, 1 destroter then?

  • @BrennanSmith325T
    @BrennanSmith325T 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much for the great video I really appreciate it but how do you heal your navy???

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому +1

      Coastal water heals ships by 2 HP per day.

    • @brunosantiago4849
      @brunosantiago4849 2 роки тому

      @@conflictofnick3578 hey ! What's consider coastal water ? Like, how far from the coast... Is there any values associated to it ?

    • @BrunoNunes2
      @BrunoNunes2 2 роки тому

      @@brunosantiago4849 Ele quis se referir a cidades costeiras. Só colocar um hospital onde se encontram os estaleiros e atraca seus navios lá para a cura.

  • @dariushadarean6504
    @dariushadarean6504 2 роки тому +1

    keep up whit your work! i love it !

  • @samllsapey
    @samllsapey Рік тому +1

    So what is a good defence for naval attacks? I'm playing norway and i've conquered sweden and finland now. Canada is expanding to iceland and britain so i want to get a good complete defence. I'm an absolute noob and i have no idea what to build. I started playing the game 2 weeks ago

  • @leavemeAlone766
    @leavemeAlone766 2 роки тому +2

    Nick help 8:18 to 8:22 what do u mean by 100 damage alone u said 5 does 50 damage i can guess the 100 damage comes from 50damage from attack and 50 damage from defence but how does that work can explain it to me thanks.

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому +2

      Meaning just the attack damage could do 50 damage. While if enemy aircraft hit the ships directly, which would mean defense gets triggered as well… then it would be 100. 50 defense and 50 attack.

  • @Bludolski
    @Bludolski Рік тому +1

    Can u move your boats accross land if u have no access to oceans via lakes

  • @RECoyote
    @RECoyote 2 роки тому +1

    Not what I need,
    I need to know what to build to be able to build Marines and ship.

  • @thistlebites2167
    @thistlebites2167 Рік тому +1

    Aircraft carrier could be useful when the enemy doesn't have any anti navy units.

  • @bigbadwolf3491
    @bigbadwolf3491 2 роки тому +1

    nice video and i loved the background music. fits perfect. keep it up.

  • @ryanscott4418
    @ryanscott4418 Рік тому +1

    what heals your ships? is it just a time thing?

  • @kena90
    @kena90 9 місяців тому

    So….does the aircraft carrier transport troops?

  • @jebby16
    @jebby16 2 роки тому +2

    Are there any game modes that don't use gold to level out the playing field?

    • @ztirociplus7270
      @ztirociplus7270 2 роки тому +1

      Its part of the game it wouldn't be gone soon

  • @GymmyJosh
    @GymmyJosh Рік тому +1

    When you say ships get X attack against land units does that mean attacking them on land or sea? Because hitting them at sea should almost always be totally fatal shouldn’t it?

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  Рік тому +1

      Yes, if they’re on transports it counts as naval damage. Hope this helps.

  • @beatsbyjee1563
    @beatsbyjee1563 2 роки тому +1

    how do i go about building a naval base? i have a port and harbor but idk how to upgrade the habor past level 1

  • @gonxas6725
    @gonxas6725 2 роки тому +1

    I was playing with Japan and i build 4 aircrafts at Max level when i was attaking someone 60 aircrafts were destroying everything im not joking

  • @dominykasbudrys1011
    @dominykasbudrys1011 Рік тому

    Where did you get that background music? I can't find it anywhere.

  • @sumailagodswill1426
    @sumailagodswill1426 2 місяці тому

    I like your videos and you view too

  • @Dardanianhere
    @Dardanianhere 8 місяців тому

    What ships are best for shore bombardments?

  • @waldondmello4517
    @waldondmello4517 2 роки тому +1

    Lol I love aircraft carrier I made four aircraft carrier strike groups each having
    Two cruiser
    Two destroyer
    One frigate and carrier with naval Air superiority

  • @mostafaali-yj2jj
    @mostafaali-yj2jj 2 роки тому +1

    Waiting for submarine part

  • @fabianmercieca8699
    @fabianmercieca8699 2 роки тому +1

    How do you land troops on the ground on foreign islands?

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому +1

      You just tell them to go there and they will automatically go by ship. :)

    • @fabianmercieca8699
      @fabianmercieca8699 2 роки тому +1

      @@conflictofnick3578 Ohhh...Cheers mate

  • @craigapana9847
    @craigapana9847 Рік тому +2

    Solid enough video, but why mention and point out every single damage point of every single ship when we can SEE the points ourselves on the video? Instead time can be spent talking about usefulness, strategies, etc.

  • @mechellebalajediong97
    @mechellebalajediong97 2 роки тому +1

    Do you have to buy a game pass to build naval asset cost if i try to build a naval asset it says i have to join a cabinet council which cost money

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому +1

      To build naval vessels, it requires a naval base, and arms industry.

  • @t59y93
    @t59y93 2 роки тому

    Thank you

  • @gecko5467
    @gecko5467 2 роки тому

    I’m having trouble tryna find out how to land my helicopters and jets on the carrier it just says it’s out of range can someone explain?

  • @th3purge176
    @th3purge176 10 місяців тому

    Is stacking navy smart or no

  • @ZiggyFresh
    @ZiggyFresh 2 роки тому +1

    I do have a question. So I’ve been playing the game for a little while I normally play x4 speed and I wanted to know when is it considered mid or late game

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому

      For me personally, mid game starts around day 15-20 and end game starts around day 40-50

    • @ZiggyFresh
      @ZiggyFresh 2 роки тому

      @@conflictofnick3578 thank you. Can you also make a series about what stacks of units work best together

  • @NJ-xd5qu
    @NJ-xd5qu 5 місяців тому

    Aircraft carriers are that expensive for a reason tho, 'cause at late game there's nothing stronger than a (lvl. 1) carrier with five (lvl. 1) Naval Strikers. That's like 25 def mod and attack mod against enemy ships. And let's say you have one (lvl. 2) carriers, and 10 pieces of (lvl. 2) attack planes on it ( 'cause it's late game)... That should be 70 def mod and attack mod against enemy ships.😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

  • @caldonhickman5479
    @caldonhickman5479 Рік тому

    How do you heal your boats

  • @vrxroz3298
    @vrxroz3298 2 роки тому +1

    Can you tell me which music do you use in videos? It is really good, build tension.

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому +1

      In this video, it is a unique variation of Paint it Black

  • @calebtfa
    @calebtfa 2 роки тому

    you think you will ever do a japan play through?

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому

      I did a solo game as Japan one time a while ago. Maybe I will try to film Japan sometime.

    • @calebtfa
      @calebtfa 2 роки тому

      @@conflictofnick3578 will be looking forward to it. i haven’t seen many youtubers do one

  • @bugwar5545
    @bugwar5545 2 роки тому

    Thanks.

  • @noone9382
    @noone9382 2 роки тому

    just downloaded the game sorry if it sounds dumb but even if my boats are researched and i have a naval base, the game won’t allow me to create them

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому

      You need ALL required buildings to make them. They also require an arms industry.

  • @garynolen1237
    @garynolen1237 Рік тому

    wat hard time are u talking about

  • @fabianmercieca8699
    @fabianmercieca8699 2 роки тому

    Some have a transport ship or something .....What is that?

  • @joestangel5617
    @joestangel5617 Рік тому

    In this whole video you just talked about the stats of the ships. I can read that on my own. What I need is to know how to build them. I have a lvl3 navy base and I have the corvette researched, but it won't let me build them.

  • @krooscontrol3978
    @krooscontrol3978 2 роки тому

    What do you mostly use?

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому

      Cruisers, attack subs, and the Naval officer. Frigates and destroyers I will use as well but not as often.

  • @jacobm5569
    @jacobm5569 Рік тому

    wus the best?

  • @Cinoszzs
    @Cinoszzs 2 роки тому

    finally

  • @Wolfhound_81
    @Wolfhound_81 2 роки тому

    Good video, but that music.. :/

  • @imperatorazis300
    @imperatorazis300 11 місяців тому

  • @el_bandoleroondemontime4738
    @el_bandoleroondemontime4738 2 роки тому

    I really want a good naval stack have any stacks I should try?

    • @conflictofnick3578
      @conflictofnick3578  2 роки тому +1

      A decent stack is 3 cruisers and 2 destroyers or the other way around. However, you can just have a 5 stack of cruisers with a 5 stack of destroyers nearby.

    • @el_bandoleroondemontime4738
      @el_bandoleroondemontime4738 2 роки тому

      @@conflictofnick3578 thanks will try it :)

  • @ΚωσταςΚατσαρας-η6ζ
    @ΚωσταςΚατσαρας-η6ζ 2 роки тому +2

    Destroyers are useless. It’s far better to get subs your self than make destroyers to counter subs

  • @GymmyJosh
    @GymmyJosh Рік тому

    Frigates should be excellent at anti-submarine warfare. They should or could have the same sonar capability but are way more maneuverable. That’s kinda dumb.

  • @jayy3217
    @jayy3217 2 роки тому

    wooohooo ukraine

  • @cinekquinto2105
    @cinekquinto2105 8 місяців тому

    Please - need answer how to heal up SHIPS - its so simple like put them in Port ?? like normal Land units to hospital ??
    Or its even nor possible ?? Thx