Strombo's Lit with Naomi Klein, Author of 'Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World'
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- Опубліковано 18 січ 2024
- Let’s get into it!!!!
Digital shadows, conspiracy influencers, vaccines, apartheid, the Holocaust, the term self-hating Jew, Palestine, calling yourself out, having skin in the game, and what the left got wrong (and the liberals who think they are left). Watch this - you might agree and disagree with some of this, but you will be engaged.
I think it’s important to have conversations like this - that puts us in spaces where we can listen to other points of view and actually hear them. Naomi Klein has been supporting and challenging people from day one. She is many things, including an author and activist. Her ninth book is another bestseller. It’s called ‘Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World’.
Through the lens of the idea of a doppelganger and an online self (which you might have too), she explores the Mirror World-"our destabilized present rife with doubles and confusion, where far-right movements playact solidarity with the working class, AI-generated content blurs the line between genuine and spurious, New Age wellness entrepreneurs turned anti-vaxxers further scramble our familiar political allegiances, and so many of us project our own carefully curated digital doubles out into the social media sphere."
So it will get spicy, and maybe we can change. But Naomi reminds us - it’s not about changing “one uncle at a time."
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Chapters
01:15 - Interview Begins
01:40 - British Columbia “Snowmageddon”
02:13 - Capturing the “Mirror World” in Doppelganger
06:17 - Going Down Steven Bannon Rabbit Holes
08:30 -Being Mistaken for Naomi Wolf
12:05 - Capitalism and Class War
16:28 - Learning how to “un-self”
21:27 -What conspiracy culture gets right
30:10 - The monetization and commodification of conspiracy
34:54 - Collectively agreeing on facts and truth
36:02 - Listening to Steve Bannon's "War Room"
39:30 - Why the world is broken
42:27 - Democracy in decline
46:04 - The power of right-wing populism
48:09 - Isreal and Palestine, Doppelganger Politics
53:52 - Being called a self-hating Jew
57:17 - South Africa's genocide case against Israel
1:01:40 - “Horrific” Media Coverage of Palestine
1:04:05 - Navigating this Generational Shift
1:08:40 - What’s “off-limits” when writing about her child
1:10:28 - Lightning Round
1:12:47 - Gen X - Розваги
George is still one of the great cultural journalists. So glad we get to see him in true interview mode. It is wonderful. ✌️🇨🇦
🎭~NAICFDONNA~AITHOAWHFFFA TRANSPARENCY CIRCLE INTELLIGENCE PUBLICATIONS PRESENTS "TRIPLE KING QUEST", A 'Democratic Theatre of Dissent' Production~🎪
Scene 1:
Enter 'Anonymous Dictator-Country National Leaders', × 2.
Tyrant~King~1: 'So, want to go~whoring afar this weekend with me?'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Sure, ...how about Canada?'
Tyrant~King~1: 'Wow, Justin's~John~Jug eh, the Old Boys Club Baby-Milk Bottle itself...sounds like you've got a sweet tooth....but what if there are single adult men there who are still virgins who would be the Honourable-deemed 1st in line?'
Tyrant~King~2: '...No need to worry....they've already all been 'frost bit clique' suicide-pressure holocausted as per cultural 'suggestion' by their state-media, cbc..../well most of them at least....there was that one lifelong environmentalist/multiculturalist/feminist/ multi-genre singer-songwriter guitarist/writer who traveled all across the country by himself, attended university, art school & Traditional Chinese Medicine School, worked the hardest jobs there were & never got asked on an Single Date by a Canadian~Woman, even after he came out about it as a 36 year old; but he was so social-justically offended he just revolted and started his own country, so technically he's not even there...'
Tyrant~King~1: "Wow, sounds there Women there sure are Nazi~Whipped....I get an old miser 'Frau~Fiend' like me'll have No Trouble bullying their 'Genitalial-Gold' with my Gold-Bullion-Bundles if theyre all that soul-sold as that....where do we start?'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Just' a sec', im just' going through their customs requirements on the government website.
.looks like we'll just' need to present our visa's at the airport...'
Tyrant~King~1: 'Sounds good...ah, another perfect day~in~the~life for a Despot....'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Yep...Anything~We~Want; anything~at~all.....'
Scene 2: Enter Feral Quail, & George Strombellapoleass
George: 'So Feral, I know ive been Quite Rude {QR} for not getting back to you sooner, but Ive researched some Contemporary Canadian-Culture Pornography selections, pertaining to your 'predicament', that should be of some help getting the ball rolling for you...{better late than never eh!}....it would seem from the footage that the ideal solution is to wait until an experienced female begins persecuting you by saying things like 'Grow some balls!', or 'Be a Man & just' stick it in!'....Im sorry if Im not more unique~specifically knowledgeable than that; its just' that I myself have been having prostitutes presented to me since I was quite young, so would have trouble relating to you; my first one was my 12th birthday; first my dad took me out to the movie theatre to see 'Batman'; then it was hotdogs~&~hennessy for dinner; then~hooker...."
👷: "Ok, Ill just' keep waiting then {Aside: '-for an Alabaman, that is....}
{fin}
feralquail.bandcamp.com/track/anything
I have the same issue with my attention span. I stopped being able to make it through a book when I used to have 3 books on the go at once. I love these discussions and look forward to getting my focus back with this book.
I loved this, I haven't read the book yet. Its on my shelf to read after my obligation reading for work. Thanks for having her on the Strombo show. I agree, Gen X, my generation - the last generation to exist without constant surveillance. I remember traveling after university, thinking I could just disappear and only my Mom would really care, lol.
🎭~NAICFDONNA~AITHOAWHFFFA TRANSPARENCY CIRCLE INTELLIGENCE PUBLICATIONS PRESENTS "TRIPLE KING QUEST", A 'Democratic Theatre of Dissent' Production~🎪
Scene 1:
Enter 'Anonymous Dictator-Country National Leaders', × 2.
Tyrant~King~1: 'So, want to go~whoring afar this weekend with me?'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Sure, ...how about Canada?'
Tyrant~King~1: 'Wow, Justin's~John~Jug eh, the Old Boys Club Baby-Milk Bottle itself...sounds like you've got a sweet tooth....but what if there are single adult men there who are still virgins who would be the Honourable-deemed 1st in line?'
Tyrant~King~2: '...No need to worry....they've already all been 'frost bit clique' suicide-pressure holocausted as per cultural 'suggestion' by their state-media, cbc..../well most of them at least....there was that one lifelong environmentalist/multiculturalist/feminist/ multi-genre singer-songwriter guitarist/writer who traveled all across the country by himself, attended university, art school & Traditional Chinese Medicine School, worked the hardest jobs there were & never got asked on an Single Date by a Canadian~Woman, even after he came out about it as a 36 year old; but he was so social-justically offended he just revolted and started his own country, so technically he's not even there...'
Tyrant~King~1: "Wow, sounds there Women there sure are Nazi~Whipped....I get an old miser 'Frau~Fiend' like me'll have No Trouble bullying their 'Genitalial-Gold' with my Gold-Bullion-Bundles if theyre all that soul-sold as that....where do we start?'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Just' a sec', im just' going through their customs requirements on the government website.
.looks like we'll just' need to present our visa's at the airport...'
Tyrant~King~1: 'Sounds good...ah, another perfect day~in~the~life for a Despot....'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Yep...Anything~We~Want; anything~at~all.....'
Scene 2: Enter Feral Quail, & George Strombellapoleass
George: 'So Feral, I know ive been Quite Rude {QR} for not getting back to you sooner, but Ive researched some Contemporary Canadian-Culture Pornography selections, pertaining to your 'predicament', that should be of some help getting the ball rolling for you...{better late than never eh!}....it would seem from the footage that the ideal solution is to wait until an experienced female begins persecuting you by saying things like 'Grow some balls!', or 'Be a Man & just' stick it in!'....Im sorry if Im not more unique~specifically knowledgeable than that; its just' that I myself have been having prostitutes presented to me since I was quite young, so would have trouble relating to you; my first one was my 12th birthday; first my dad took me out to the movie theatre to see 'Batman'; then it was hotdogs~&~hennessy for dinner; then~hooker...."
👷: "Ok, Ill just' keep waiting then {Aside: '-for an Alabaman, that is....}
{fin}
feralquail.bandcamp.com/track/anything
I've just discovered Naomi Klein, and I'm looking forward to reading her book. This interview convinced me that it will be well worth my time to take a deeper dive into the ideas discussed in this video.
This was an excellent conversation!
Excellent interview. I'm enjoying the book very much. BTW George I have followed you since "The Hour" on CBC. Keep up the great work.
I have as well.
Great interview! Greetings from the other side! 🇦🇺 🇧🇷
You nailed it 22:23: everyone acted with certainty (during the pandemic), and no-one had the right to be certain. So great to hear both of your brilliance here on some big questions, and what I believe is the mess media can create on many levels.
Congratulations on an excellent interview. It’s the best discussion and analysis that I’ve read/heard of what happened during 2020 and 2021, with science disinformation and influencers creating distrust due to an overall lack of understanding of the scientific process and its foibles - it’s an imperfect process because scientists are people with flaws (and most MDs aren’t trained as researchers). You’re quite right about sooo many people, including health professionals, checking their critical thinking skills at the door.
OK, so I’m listing this interview as an option in the assignment where students watch an external, course relevant talk and make a 1-2 minute TikTok style video describing what they learned. Your discussion is directly relevant to the media literacy and digital literacy themes AND the climate change and invasive species topics of my Applied Ecology biology course which looks at the science-policy-politics spectrum.
ps I have ALWAYS known the difference between Naomi Klein and Naomi Wolf 😊
pps I was shocked at the turn Naomi Wolf has taken since she wrote the beauty myth 😮
ppps you nailed Steve Bannon’s motives
A brilliant piece; thank you both for the kind of intelligent discourse that has become so very rare these days.
🎭~NAICFDONNA~AITHOAWHFFFA TRANSPARENCY CIRCLE INTELLIGENCE PUBLICATIONS PRESENTS "TRIPLE KING QUEST", A 'Democratic Theatre of Dissent' Production~🎪
Scene 1:
Enter 'Anonymous Dictator-Country National Leaders', × 2.
Tyrant~King~1: 'So, want to go~whoring afar this weekend with me?'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Sure, ...how about Canada?'
Tyrant~King~1: 'Wow, Justin's~John~Jug eh, the Old Boys Club Baby-Milk Bottle itself...sounds like you've got a sweet tooth....but what if there are single adult men there who are still virgins who would be the Honourable-deemed 1st in line?'
Tyrant~King~2: '...No need to worry....they've already all been 'frost bit clique' suicide-pressure holocausted as per cultural 'suggestion' by their state-media, cbc..../well most of them at least....there was that one lifelong environmentalist/multiculturalist/feminist/ multi-genre singer-songwriter guitarist/writer who traveled all across the country by himself, attended university, art school & Traditional Chinese Medicine School, worked the hardest jobs there were & never got asked on an Single Date by a Canadian~Woman, even after he came out about it as a 36 year old; but he was so social-justically offended he just revolted and started his own country, so technically he's not even there...'
Tyrant~King~1: "Wow, sounds there Women there sure are Nazi~Whipped....I get an old miser 'Frau~Fiend' like me'll have No Trouble bullying their 'Genitalial-Gold' with my Gold-Bullion-Bundles if theyre all that soul-sold as that....where do we start?'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Just' a sec', im just' going through their customs requirements on the government website.
.looks like we'll just' need to present our visa's at the airport...'
Tyrant~King~1: 'Sounds good...ah, another perfect day~in~the~life for a Despot....'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Yep...Anything~We~Want; anything~at~all.....'
Scene 2: Enter Feral Quail, & George Strombellapoleass
George: 'So Feral, I know ive been Quite Rude {QR} for not getting back to you sooner, but Ive researched some Contemporary Canadian-Culture Pornography selections, pertaining to your 'predicament', that should be of some help getting the ball rolling for you...{better late than never eh!}....it would seem from the footage that the ideal solution is to wait until an experienced female begins persecuting you by saying things like 'Grow some balls!', or 'Be a Man & just' stick it in!'....Im sorry if Im not more unique~specifically knowledgeable than that; its just' that I myself have been having prostitutes presented to me since I was quite young, so would have trouble relating to you; my first one was my 12th birthday; first my dad took me out to the movie theatre to see 'Batman'; then it was hotdogs~&~hennessy for dinner; then~hooker...."
👷: "Ok, Ill just' keep waiting then {Aside: '-for an Alabaman, that is....}
{fin}
feralquail.bandcamp.com/track/anything
I really loved this, George. I’m liking where this channel is going 🤌🏼💜
Thank you for the opportunity to get this information. I am so grateful.
🎭~NAICFDONNA~AITHOAWHFFFA TRANSPARENCY CIRCLE INTELLIGENCE PUBLICATIONS PRESENTS "TRIPLE KING QUEST", A 'Democratic Theatre of Dissent' Production~🎪
Scene 1:
Enter 'Anonymous Dictator-Country National Leaders', × 2.
Tyrant~King~1: 'So, want to go~whoring afar this weekend with me?'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Sure, ...how about Canada?'
Tyrant~King~1: 'Wow, Justin's~John~Jug eh, the Old Boys Club Baby-Milk Bottle itself...sounds like you've got a sweet tooth....but what if there are single adult men there who are still virgins who would be the Honourable-deemed 1st in line?'
Tyrant~King~2: '...No need to worry....they've already all been 'frost bit clique' suicide-pressure holocausted as per cultural 'suggestion' by their state-media, cbc..../well most of them at least....there was that one lifelong environmentalist/multiculturalist/feminist/ multi-genre singer-songwriter guitarist/writer who traveled all across the country by himself, attended university, art school & Traditional Chinese Medicine School, worked the hardest jobs there were & never got asked on an Single Date by a Canadian~Woman, even after he came out about it as a 36 year old; but he was so social-justically offended he just revolted and started his own country, so technically he's not even there...'
Tyrant~King~1: "Wow, sounds there Women there sure are Nazi~Whipped....I get an old miser 'Frau~Fiend' like me'll have No Trouble bullying their 'Genitalial-Gold' with my Gold-Bullion-Bundles if theyre all that soul-sold as that....where do we start?'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Just' a sec', im just' going through their customs requirements on the government website.
.looks like we'll just' need to present our visa's at the airport...'
Tyrant~King~1: 'Sounds good...ah, another perfect day~in~the~life for a Despot....'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Yep...Anything~We~Want; anything~at~all.....'
Scene 2: Enter Feral Quail, & George Strombellapoleass
George: 'So Feral, I know ive been Quite Rude {QR} for not getting back to you sooner, but Ive researched some Contemporary Canadian-Culture Pornography selections, pertaining to your 'predicament', that should be of some help getting the ball rolling for you...{better late than never eh!}....it would seem from the footage that the ideal solution is to wait until an experienced female begins persecuting you by saying things like 'Grow some balls!', or 'Be a Man & just' stick it in!'....Im sorry if Im not more unique~specifically knowledgeable than that; its just' that I myself have been having prostitutes presented to me since I was quite young, so would have trouble relating to you; my first one was my 12th birthday; first my dad took me out to the movie theatre to see 'Batman'; then it was hotdogs~&~hennessy for dinner; then~hooker...."
👷: "Ok, Ill just' keep waiting then {Aside: '-for an Alabaman, that is....}
{fin}
feralquail.bandcamp.com/track/anything
Loved the conversation, thanks for sharing it with us , I got “Shock Doctrine” in a garage 😊sale in Etobicoke , Ontario many years ago for 50C ! Just few weeks after my arrival to Canada as an Immigrant from Iran . Had troubles with words and my english but went through dictionary millions of times! But it was so eye opening, read it multiple times and wondered why we hadn’t have access to info like this back home so many years, later I listened to a radio program about Naomi’s parents, sharing your video today I wrote to a friend from my heart, that parents with that level knowledge and compassion for humanity couldn’t have raised any better writer than Naomi , my deepest respect , didn’t know she has poetry too ! Please let me know where to find them . By the way that book was stolen along with my suitcase on a trip south !😅😅 I hope that thieve/s read it too
Amazing conversation. Can’t wait to read the book. Naomi is such a bright light!
The book is great.
I am so grateful for this book… and for the both of you.
Naomi is as good as it gets. She will be up there with Noam Chomsky in the history books. Such a necessary force in this world!
Force of what exactly?
good @@Deuce_Allan
This was a rad conversation and I took away lots of learnings. Thanks y'all. ❤
"Democratic!, we will miss it when it's gone"....
So True....
Means we must fight like hell to preserve it.
Maybe the best thing to do is just keep working and paying taxes and don't ask questions.
A lot to unpack the political "doppelganger" ..I agree this is collective work, the tipping point of the message is that necessary internal and generational shifts are so split. I love the way you framed having conversations we can be present with and learn from, without the accepted hatred...and constant streaming live trauma isn't helping our psyches unfold.
Edit:: I am wondering the political appeal of "save the children" will have on future human and child trafficking. I think we haven't seen past the frame yet.
🎭~NAICFDONNA~AITHOAWHFFFA TRANSPARENCY CIRCLE INTELLIGENCE PUBLICATIONS PRESENTS "TRIPLE KING QUEST", A 'Democratic Theatre of Dissent' Production~🎪
Scene 1:
Enter 'Anonymous Dictator-Country National Leaders', × 2.
Tyrant~King~1: 'So, want to go~whoring afar this weekend with me?'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Sure, ...how about Canada?'
Tyrant~King~1: 'Wow, Justin's~John~Jug eh, the Old Boys Club Baby-Milk Bottle itself...sounds like you've got a sweet tooth....but what if there are single adult men there who are still virgins who would be the Honourable-deemed 1st in line?'
Tyrant~King~2: '...No need to worry....they've already all been 'frost bit clique' suicide-pressure holocausted as per cultural 'suggestion' by their state-media, cbc..../well most of them at least....there was that one lifelong environmentalist/multiculturalist/feminist/ multi-genre singer-songwriter guitarist/writer who traveled all across the country by himself, attended university, art school & Traditional Chinese Medicine School, worked the hardest jobs there were & never got asked on an Single Date by a Canadian~Woman, even after he came out about it as a 36 year old; but he was so social-justically offended he just revolted and started his own country, so technically he's not even there...'
Tyrant~King~1: "Wow, sounds there Women there sure are Nazi~Whipped....I get an old miser 'Frau~Fiend' like me'll have No Trouble bullying their 'Genitalial-Gold' with my Gold-Bullion-Bundles if theyre all that soul-sold as that....where do we start?'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Just' a sec', im just' going through their customs requirements on the government website.
.looks like we'll just' need to present our visa's at the airport...'
Tyrant~King~1: 'Sounds good...ah, another perfect day~in~the~life for a Despot....'
Tyrant~King~2: 'Yep...Anything~We~Want; anything~at~all.....'
Scene 2: Enter Feral Quail, & George Strombellapoleass
George: 'So Feral, I know ive been Quite Rude {QR} for not getting back to you sooner, but Ive researched some Contemporary Canadian-Culture Pornography selections, pertaining to your 'predicament', that should be of some help getting the ball rolling for you...{better late than never eh!}....it would seem from the footage that the ideal solution is to wait until an experienced female begins persecuting you by saying things like 'Grow some balls!', or 'Be a Man & just' stick it in!'....Im sorry if Im not more unique~specifically knowledgeable than that; its just' that I myself have been having prostitutes presented to me since I was quite young, so would have trouble relating to you; my first one was my 12th birthday; first my dad took me out to the movie theatre to see 'Batman'; then it was hotdogs~&~hennessy for dinner; then~hooker...."
👷: "Ok, Ill just' keep waiting then {Aside: '-for an Alabaman, that is....}
{fin}
feralquail.bandcamp.com/track/anything
I bought your book and look forward to reading it as soon as the current one is finished.
Great interview!
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Μπράβο Γιωργάκη.
Often wonder how the world would be if we had women like Naomi leading the governments. We could have the change we need if we could work collectively beyond these shitty social constructs that we can change
Naomi I love you! ❤Kisses from Italy!
The- Hello!wow-excellent .
Great! There’s simply NO such thing as a “self hating Jew”.
Another great interview. I don't always agree with Naomi Klein, but I have the utmost respect for her opinions
For me Naomi is one of the few prominent western intellectuals that understands just how pernicious neoliberalism and monopoly capitalism are and why both dogmas must be peacefully repudiated.