the f-stops on the focus knob, like the sinar f2 are for dof calculation, if you want two points in focus, you set focus on one, zero the dial, then focus on the other, it determines which F stop you need to set both inside the depth of field "box", the other scale, on sinars on the left of the standard post, is for the angles, similar principle, but to achieve sceimflug and get both points inside the same plane, just remember you need to determine +/-, these only give the degree of movement.
@@DaveJSmith no worries, These are confusing, but I imagine the makers put them there to aid the photographer, esp. in macro and situations where the camera and subject are close up, so that such a narrow dof is dealt with simply, if one hasn't the time for the tables, or (like in the hasselblad v system),to look at the charts in the books on dof, range of focus for each lens, tube, and other combinations, it all gets too scientific, so this is their answer to it, a "cheat", to get the data quick.
Hi Raelson Many thanks for that, there are a number of excellent cameras out there that are very difficult to find any information on at all! I did make a mistake here though, this camera is actually the L45 not the LX. The LX has base and axis tilts, but that adds significant weight and complexity, which I feel is quite unnecessary. Dave
Hi Kees Yes, it is a great camera, I haven't had chance to actually shoot with it yet because of lockdown, but am intending a trip to High Force here in the North East once all that is over. I looked at the Toyo cameras and also the Cambos before deciding on the Horseman. Dave
one reason for the 90 deg. detents on the swing and tilt are to pack it up (in a suitcase, flat) another is, like on sinars, this allows you to use this std as a "bed" for positioning subjects on, like a microscope stage!, but for macro, using the rise\shift to adjust composition; but you add a solid plate on the standard, NOT drilled for a copal shutter, but whole, to lie the subject onto.
HI Tieran Apologies for the dealy in replying, I am in the final month of the MFA and things are a bit hectic! Anyway, Yaw occurs in cameras when the camera bed is tilted up or down and then the back has swing applied. It is possible to alleviate this effect (which causes vertical subject lines to remain parallel to each other but not to the edges of the ground glsaa and therefor the film) by having base and axis tilts (it can also be overcome with full rotating back) I hope that that helps Dave
Hi there Firstly, welcome to the channel. I will be making some videos about using this camera in the field in the near future (just waiting for a spot meter) Dave
@@DaveJSmith I will look forward to it... I am looking for a decent (robust) view camera to go with an old p65+ phase digital back I picked up recently... any suggestions?
@@1stfootprint_art Presumably it is a sinar fit? If so then these Horseman's have sinar fit standards and are way way cheaper than the sinars. Calumets might also have sinar fit standards (though I am not sure without checking) Dave
Hi Oli Many thanks for that. I looked for one of those cases but couldn't find one. I have a wheel along tool chest for the camera now! No need to do anything with the standards, just slots in upside down with lens and all, ready to shoot at a moments notice - large format equivalent of a quick draw ready case! Dave
@@oleleclos I don't currently use it, but I am much more a wide angle shooter, and will add probably a 75mm lens to this kit so I think the short rail may be of use then.
I think you will find that the f numbers on the focusing knob are a depth of field indicator. Also regarding the proximity of the focus knob and the lateral shift knob, I think you should rotate both front and rear standards 180° about their vertical axes, continue past the 90° detent. I believe you will find that is the more common setup of this system, the focusing knob with the DOF scale is usually on the rear standard. User Manual can be found here - www.kenko-pi.co.jp/horseman/manual/HORSEMAN_manu2015/HSN_L_Series_manual.pdf
Hi Jeff Many thanks for that, very useful. I suspected that the f-stop markings were to do with dof at the time, but hadn't at that point done very much with the camera. Good point too about rotating the standards to separate the controls. This is a very well thought out system and clearly incredibly well made. These days it seems that you can barely give them away! Looking forward to getting out with the camera soon Best wishes Dave
@@DaveJSmith Hi Dave, you are welcome. I would love to meet up one day, covid permitting, as I am keen to try wet plate. Some advice from yourself would be very useful. I am in the North West of the country.
Hi @@jeffstarley1591 I would be happy to meet and help with the wet plate if I can - definitely no expert here, but at least have the chemistry and some experience so you could at least 'have a go'! Dave
@@DaveJSmith Thanks Dave, that would be great. I will be delighted to take you up on that. How is it best to make arrangements? You can contact me via www.jeffstarley.com I look forward to our meeting.
Hi Dave , please who plays the piano in the beginning of the video is wonderful ,I can kindly give me the name of the pianist and the name of the music,compliments for the channel.Thank you very much.
Hello Christian I believe that it will, these are Graflok compatible, they are identical to Sinar and do have a graflok type release for the ground glass. The horseman website suggests that they are graflok compatible and the Horseman backs certainly fit (the ones for graflok not the SW versions). Dave
I think what you have is the L45 or the L45 Pro, but not the LX. The LX has BASE tilt as well as the axial tilt. Yours only has the axis tilt. Is there model marking on the camera?
HI Thomas There is no model marking, but I think that you are right, there are no base tilts on this and from their website that does seem to be the L45. Dave
Hi there I bought this camera for field use (but not intending to go too far with it!) in a Lowe Pro backpack. It weighs around 7kg so possible over short trips I would say, but not a backpacking camera for sure! However, it is more effort in the set up than I really want, I am looking for something that is more 'run and gun' for street portraits for example so am currently selling it. It is a beauty though Dave
Hi there I will be checking it over, but in truth this style of head is not really suitable for my work. I have already bought a 410 geared head and will likely replace this and the ball head with another geared head, but you are quite right, incredibly well made stuff, my 075b legs are at least half a century old! Dave
Fantastic Review i just bought one, thanks Dave.
Hi Mike
It is astonishing how cheap those monorail cameras are these days isn't it? I am sure you will have great fun with it
Dave
the f-stops on the focus knob, like the sinar f2 are for dof calculation, if you want two points in focus, you set focus on one, zero the dial, then focus on the other, it determines which F stop you need to set both inside the depth of field "box", the other scale, on sinars on the left of the standard post, is for the angles, similar principle, but to achieve sceimflug and get both points inside the same plane, just remember you need to determine +/-, these only give the degree of movement.
Thanks for that
@@DaveJSmith no worries, These are confusing, but I imagine the makers put them there to aid the photographer, esp. in macro and situations where the camera and subject are close up, so that such a narrow dof is dealt with simply, if one hasn't the time for the tables, or (like in the hasselblad v system),to look at the charts in the books on dof, range of focus for each lens, tube, and other combinations, it all gets too scientific, so this is their answer to it, a "cheat", to get the data quick.
Great video Dave. Difficult to find info on these cameras and this was excellent.
Hi Raelson
Many thanks for that, there are a number of excellent cameras out there that are very difficult to find any information on at all! I did make a mistake here though, this camera is actually the L45 not the LX. The LX has base and axis tilts, but that adds significant weight and complexity, which I feel is quite unnecessary.
Dave
Nice Dave, good for you. I got a Toyo View CX 4x5 and just love to work with it.
Hi Kees
Yes, it is a great camera, I haven't had chance to actually shoot with it yet because of lockdown, but am intending a trip to High Force here in the North East once all that is over.
I looked at the Toyo cameras and also the Cambos before deciding on the Horseman.
Dave
one reason for the 90 deg. detents on the swing and tilt are to pack it up (in a suitcase, flat) another is, like on sinars, this allows you to use this std as a "bed" for positioning subjects on, like a microscope stage!, but for macro, using the rise\shift to adjust composition; but you add a solid plate on the standard, NOT drilled for a copal shutter, but whole, to lie the subject onto.
Interested in the “yourfreestandards” you were talking about…
HI Tieran
Apologies for the dealy in replying, I am in the final month of the MFA and things are a bit hectic! Anyway, Yaw occurs in cameras when the camera bed is tilted up or down and then the back has swing applied. It is possible to alleviate this effect (which causes vertical subject lines to remain parallel to each other but not to the edges of the ground glsaa and therefor the film) by having base and axis tilts (it can also be overcome with full rotating back)
I hope that that helps
Dave
Thank you... that was very clear and informative... just subscribed...
Hi there
Firstly, welcome to the channel. I will be making some videos about using this camera in the field in the near future (just waiting for a spot meter)
Dave
@@DaveJSmith I will look forward to it... I am looking for a decent (robust) view camera to go with an old p65+ phase digital back I picked up recently... any suggestions?
@@1stfootprint_art Presumably it is a sinar fit? If so then these Horseman's have sinar fit standards and are way way cheaper than the sinars. Calumets might also have sinar fit standards (though I am not sure without checking)
Dave
@@DaveJSmith thanks for the suggestions... enjoy the rest of your day...
The 90° click stops are for folding the camera flat when putting it in its briefcase-style fitted case.
Hi Oli
Many thanks for that. I looked for one of those cases but couldn't find one. I have a wheel along tool chest for the camera now! No need to do anything with the standards, just slots in upside down with lens and all, ready to shoot at a moments notice - large format equivalent of a quick draw ready case!
Dave
@@DaveJSmith Hi Dave, I wonder if you'd be interested in parting with your 250mm rail if you don't use it.
@@oleleclos I don't currently use it, but I am much more a wide angle shooter, and will add probably a 75mm lens to this kit so I think the short rail may be of use then.
@@DaveJSmith No problem, just thought I'd ask as it sounded like you wouldn't be using it.
I think you will find that the f numbers on the focusing knob are a depth of field indicator. Also regarding the proximity of the focus knob and the lateral shift knob, I think you should rotate both front and rear standards 180° about their vertical axes, continue past the 90° detent. I believe you will find that is the more common setup of this system, the focusing knob with the DOF scale is usually on the rear standard. User Manual can be found here - www.kenko-pi.co.jp/horseman/manual/HORSEMAN_manu2015/HSN_L_Series_manual.pdf
Hi Jeff
Many thanks for that, very useful. I suspected that the f-stop markings were to do with dof at the time, but hadn't at that point done very much with the camera. Good point too about rotating the standards to separate the controls. This is a very well thought out system and clearly incredibly well made. These days it seems that you can barely give them away! Looking forward to getting out with the camera soon
Best wishes
Dave
@@DaveJSmith Hi Dave, you are welcome. I would love to meet up one day, covid permitting, as I am keen to try wet plate. Some advice from yourself would be very useful. I am in the North West of the country.
Hi @@jeffstarley1591 I would be happy to meet and help with the wet plate if I can - definitely no expert here, but at least have the chemistry and some experience so you could at least 'have a go'!
Dave
@@DaveJSmith Thanks Dave, that would be great. I will be delighted to take you up on that. How is it best to make arrangements? You can contact me via www.jeffstarley.com I look forward to our meeting.
Hi Dave , please who plays the piano in the beginning of the video is wonderful ,I can kindly give me the name of the pianist and the name of the music,compliments for the channel.Thank you very much.
HI Nat
I use royalty free music composed and played by Bensound.com
Dave
@@DaveJSmith Thank you very much Dave!
Hello,
Would a graflock compatible 6x12 back fit in this system?
I just happen to have one for my intrepid and might upgrade to this camera.
Thank you
Hello Christian
I believe that it will, these are Graflok compatible, they are identical to Sinar and do have a graflok type release for the ground glass. The horseman website suggests that they are graflok compatible and the Horseman backs certainly fit (the ones for graflok not the SW versions).
Dave
I think what you have is the L45 or the L45 Pro, but not the LX. The LX has BASE tilt as well as the axial tilt. Yours only has the axis tilt. Is there model marking on the camera?
HI Thomas
There is no model marking, but I think that you are right, there are no base tilts on this and from their website that does seem to be the L45.
Dave
In addition, the LX has the ability to shift the film and lens plane, so you can do asymmetric tilts.
Can this camera be used in the field, or is it best kept in the studio? How much does it weigh in lbs?
Hi there
I bought this camera for field use (but not intending to go too far with it!) in a Lowe Pro backpack. It weighs around 7kg so possible over short trips I would say, but not a backpacking camera for sure! However, it is more effort in the set up than I really want, I am looking for something that is more 'run and gun' for street portraits for example so am currently selling it. It is a beauty though
Dave
Replace a few parts in that Bogen 3047 and it will last another 25-50 years
Hi there
I will be checking it over, but in truth this style of head is not really suitable for my work. I have already bought a 410 geared head and will likely replace this and the ball head with another geared head, but you are quite right, incredibly well made stuff, my 075b legs are at least half a century old!
Dave
I think ypu mean 30mm. Not 30cm. .
Yup!!