@Paulchiefsquad : Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you. @Monitors Unboxed & @Hardware Unboxed : regionalized advice is a FANTASITC idea, Tim and Steve !!! Please keep doing this, this is EXCELLENT content !!! 🙂🙂🙂 I would love to see this concept taken further, like monitors for productivity usage for instance. And other non-monitor products as well.
Yep with eu local he mentions at 1440p mine, the lg 850 or whatever its called. Its good but nothing amazing. HDR works ok in games on windows 11. Waiting for oled cheap pricing/2nd gen with better features.
Thanks for having us in Europe in mind. It's a shame that companies haven't changed their products much in a year. Tvs are a lot more interesting for these premium prices for these tiny 27" panels.
Thank you for keeping the European market in mind! This video comes at the right time as I am looking for a good QHD monitor for some friends (in Germany). Now I feel comfortable in recommending the LG 27GP850P to them. When it comes to myself, I'm still very happy with my LG 38GN950-B. Unfortunately this wasn't a spectacular year for 38" ultrawides, I'd love to see some more models with improved backlighting.
Depending on your price range, I'm very happy with the Samsung Odyssey G8. It can be expensive though, in Norway it's been on sale for ~€850 last week, although now it's back up to it's more regular price of ~€1-1.2k. Personally I think it's a great monitor and I have 0 regrets paying such a high price for a monitor, although I'd probably wait a bit and see if there are either new monitors coming out, or salves on current good monitors.
@@tsjeriAu Thank you for your recommendation. Unfortunately the G8 is out of our budget range from ~200-300€. My friends want to use the system casually anyway.
@@doushannon2799 you should've considered 32GP850 model with monitor arm mount instead - it is quite a difference compared to 27" model. Pixes size is still not too big, so image is not grainy, i would say 2K and 32" is optimal combination. Panel size is perfect for desktop, but stock stand is too huge, so arm mount is needed. Using this for 2 years almost. Anyway LG's GP850 series are the best choice in terms of price/features/quality.
Same. Looking at the ultrawide recommendations just doesn't help, because I use mine for work as well. They're clearly only the best if all you do is gaming, which is unrealistic.
I agree for the QLED and OLED section, we need a section without them for the best color responsiveness and refresh rate, since burn in is rather nasty to deal with and I'd imagine that even if you're mainly gaming you do spend a considerable time on the web or having static elements on the screen for a prolonged period of time.
@@Tyfuzzle whats your price range on an Ultrawide? I am someone who legit buys monitors just to test them at this point and send em back and UW is the main one I do so for. I don't have the fanciest testing equipment like these guys but I could probably list off some decent UWs
I suspect they consider 'premium non-OLED' to be a waste of money, since cheaper LCDs cover most of the fundamental performance that LCD tech has these days (aside from e-sports very high speed panels). I wish it didn't, but local dimming tech just sucks compared to per pixel lighting. Will have to keep waiting for micro LED if you don't want OLED.
I personally got a Gigabyte M27Q rev2.0 (which is identical to the M27Q P) for 240€ and it looks like I was right since all of your budget picks aren't even available in France or are way more expensive unfortunately. Still, making videos for EU from time to time is really cool of you and it's appreciated.
@@marzok9632 Oh didn't know that. Can you tell what are the differences ? Because when I checked comparisons for both monitors they were pretty much even.
@@walrider LG has better motion clarity and response times and is also better tuned in M27Q P: So it has a Single Overdrive Performance. Also LG Panels pretend to have way better coating but in this case it shouldn't be a big difference. Especially because the M27Q P didn't use a Nano-IPS Version. The LG Panel also has slightly better colours (but worse contrast, like most LG panels) and a hardwareintegrated low blue light.
Any chance of any Australia focused videos? It's a small irk as I know why Aus/NZ creators always focus on US market since they have more audience there but it's always something I notice when watching you guys and other local channels on similar topics, like optimum tech or similar
Some additions that I found to be true in quite a few European markets that I would like your opinion(s) on: Budget 1440p gaming monitor: Dell G2724D. It is usually not cheap enough (~300 euros) when sold by retailers, but Dell seems to have had it on sale for quite a while now, retailing around 230 euros. Looking at reviews from other sources such as rtings, it seems like this monitor is possibly the best (or one of) value 1440p gaming monitors on the market. Do you have any interest in reviewing this monitor in the future? High refresh rate 1440p: Samsung G7 (27 inch), while having a higher normal price than MSI G275QP-X and GIGABYTE M27QX, is often on sale for as low as ~300 euros. The model is not very new, but for that kind of price I don't see many negatives as long as the buyer is fine with a curved monitor.
I've been wondering about G2724D as well and would appreciate an opinion, especially in comparison to the MSI G274QPF QD. Here in Poland the Dell can be found for around 300-320 EUR, while the MSI offering usually retails for ~360 EUR. LG is just ugly :P
I am from germany and bought it in directly from Dell for 229€. It arrived yesterday and I am staggered by it. I mean I changed my 60hz display with it so I joined another dimension of smooth images anyway by going from 60 to 165hz. But the image quality is aalso very very good in terms of colors and contrast. I use custom colors because I made slight adjustmens because I like my display with a slight higher gamma factor and
@@Pand0rasAct0r_ Dell sellls the G2724D currently for under 250€. With its performance it is in my oppinion the best 1440p non oled gaming display currently.
@@floh667 eh its ips so less good contrast and its 290 here. compared to 220 of the phillips. i still think the phillips is better. especially if you actually want to watch stuff on it. or enjoy more visual experience.
What about this one: AOC Q24G2A? A 24" 1440p 165Hz IPS monitor for €200 ? Seems like a great deal for those of us wanting / needing smaller panels with higher DPI ! Has a 4ms GtG, its certified as G-Sync compatible, has 80% of Adobe RGB and DCI-P3 and has a 130mm of height adjust, ±30° of swivel AND 90° pivot!
Just got my Lg 27GR95QE based on your reviews and absolutely love it. Couldn’t justify the extra cost for brightness I really didn’t need, I do not regret the purchase at all.
Thanks for your review! I was able to snag a AW3423DWF for 719 euros, arriving next monday. I was able to get a samsung G8 as well for below 800 euros, but dell offered an additional year of warranty with explicit burn-in coverage. When asking Samsung support about this, they replied that burn-in is only covered if is not the result of "excessive usage", and that only the technician can determine whether it is caused by excessive use or not. It all seemed to vague for me, so I decided on the Alienware. I'm upgrading from my U2515H, which is almost 10 years old at this point and has had a column of dead pixels for the past year or so. Very excited!!
I have an M28U, and it makes me wonder if somehow the objective tests are failing to fully capture exactly how these screens look to our eyes in real time, because to me, the M28U looks so much better than you'd expect for 144hz. Just moving the mouse pointer around on a Windows desktop, the pointer is so sharp and clear. It's really close to the 360hz PG27AQN, and way better than any other monitor I have, so I actually use the M28U for fast multiplayer games in preference to the PG27AQN because I sure as heck can easily see the difference between 4k and 1440p, and I actually find that makes a noticeable difference in Rocket League or CS2 where being able to clearly see other players when they're small on the screen can be important. I know Tim is already highly recommending the M28U, but in practice I feel like it's subjectively even better than you'd think from the objective test measurements.
some of those could be attributed to it having quite high PPI (pixels per inch) rather than just the resolution. i'm thinking of buying a 27" 4k monitor too, mostly for text clarity, as i'm looking at text all day (which looks really bad at 24" 1080p, especially small font sizes)
I've made similar experiences with the Asus TUF VG28U. It has a really fast and clear IPS panel with adaptive Overdrive. The only thing i don't like is that it has no speakers. Otherwise i would have bought a second one for my engineering workshop. I have no space for speakers on my crammed and convoluted work table and want to keep it cable free as possible.
I'm surprised the AOC Q24G2A/BK isn't mentioned. It's a 23.8"/1440p/165Hz/IPS monitor. It sounds like a great (and the only?) option for people who find 27" too big and 1080p too low. It costs about €200.
Phew.. This video had me worried because I just bought two MSI 27" G274QPX a few days ago on the black Friday sales and got scared he was going to mention "better" monitors all of a sudden😅luckily it's the same recommendations as the previous video I watched aaaand good to see it still being recommended in this video. Colours & settings are great after tweaking them and the 240hz is great for competitive games. They look great side by side 😍IPS panels show some glow but nothing to the point I wanna cry about it. I'm glad this channel exists and helped me pull the trigger since my other 2 monitors broke. Thaaank youu :)
I ordered the LG 27GR93U for 480 euros after seeing your review and RTINGS review, it arrived today and as of now I can say that I'm pretty satisfied with it, HDR may not be fantastic but it still is acceptable. I found my best settings in Gamer 1 mode, setting brightness to max and adjusting a bit the black stabilizer. Contrast is not high as my old 1440p VA panel (benQ mobiuz EX2710R) but the image quality and color fidelity is, overall, way better.
How do you find the Monitor for gaming? Are the colours good/not washed out?And how's the IPS glow.I am normally not playing in a pitch black room,but a slightly lit room.
@@saneldjukic6260 pretty good, responsiveness is great, everything is crisp and clean, colors are pretty good, not too vibrant, but definitely not washed out, don’t worry ;). I have no trouble at all in a room with constant brightness change, and when it’s more dark, the semi-gloss screen effect is pretty good. I can still say that I’m satisfied with the monitor as of now, so i highly recommend it to you :)
@@saneldjukic6260 It's fine, this module using a BOE panel that has a flaw: Text having a color fringe, im not used to that thing. as long as you dont care about that, it's fine
@@kaslofchen257 Thx for the repply.I don't do a lot of office work etc,mostly gaming and a bit of browsing.Maybe this issue can be fixed in a future software update.
@@saneldjukic6260 it's not a big deal though, i think many just don't even notice the flaw. BTW I believe this is more of a hardware stuff and cannot be fixed through firmware.
A few times you mention that a monitor is "not ideal for productivity work". Would be nice to see a rundown of which ones are a good choice for gaming + work.
What do you do for work? That's also important I guess. For example; I've owned and used a Lg27GP850P-B for just over 2 years now, been excellent. I mostly deal with text for work so can't comment on how good it would be for stuff like video editing. But it's good for gaming and I haven't noticed weird colours or anything. However I'm probably not as critical on colour accuracy as someone who does photoshop the entire day so I probably don't know enough about that part. But for gaming/text and general pc use it's been great. Only thing I would've liked is 2 display ports so I could daisy chain to second monitor for work laptop and still use 165hz when connected to my own pc. That may be a limitation of my graphics card hdmi connection though, not sure. Another edit: I never use HDR so idk about that part either lol
I disagree with some choices here. AOC Q24G2A is cheaper than 27" monitors and 2 overdrives will cover whole refresh range. I would avoid AOC 24G2SP because it requires 3 overdrive modes, it is already quite slow and there were cheaper monitors last time I looked (1-2 months ago). I am pretty sure there are much better alternatives, like Asus VG249Q1A (1 overdrive and faster panel in general). There are many other options, this was just my main contender while I was waiting for Benq EX240 to appear and then I discovered Q24G2A which made EX240 obsolete... I know that not all monitors can be covered, but too many interesting monitors are missing, From some very cheap 1080p to VA that actually matches IPS in speed (G7 does not), testing seems to be missing because Tim is focused on OLED. I am not surprised Tim covered new TN from ASUS, it is pricey after all.
Can say that I am enjoying the G3223D. Good color, no issues with Gsync. I will say though, that I wish it was 4K, since pixel density is a bit low compared to how close I sit to the monitor, but when I lean back for some controller gaming, it's perfect.
@@JakeRayTMI can agree. I've bought G3223D as well. Pixel density is only problem when sitting near and working with text, looking at small icons and stuff like that. Gaming and movies, I think even when sitting close, it's very hard to notice anything. It's a great monitor at the right price.
Watching this video in my brand new Odyssey G8 OLED and its looking great! Got it for 880€ here in Finland. The QD-OLED comparison video helped me alot when deciding between this and the Alienware counterpart. Thanks for noticing Europe!
I bought the LG 27GR75Q in august... It is a great gaming monitor, amazing color accuracy and 165hz refresh rate with almost negligible backlight bleeding. It doesn't have a speaker, I had one from my previous PC and I'm currently using it to play on my PS5
Should I buy the Gigabyte g27q or lg 27gr75q? I will mostly use it for watching movies and also occasionally for playing csgo. Which one has better colors and HDR?
The LG 48gq900-b is on sale for 699$(US) making OLED much more obtainable for those of us on a budget and finally a real contender to the C2 at this price imo. It's big and probably not ideal for esports but I imagine it's great for single player games. Please consider doing a video on this monitor.
I ordered a AOC Q27G2S/EU a few days ago. It's a 27" 1440P, 144Hz on HDMI, 165Hz on DP, IPS panel that is priced at about 269,99€ normally on amazon. I got it for 219,00€ and I will come back here soon to lay down what I think of it after testing it out a bit. I own a AOC 24G2U and Alienware AW2521HFA, and color/contrast/brightness wise, the Alienware which cost quite a bit more is better only in refresh rates. So, my expectations are fairly high for the AOC 27".
I am scouring the web for a M27Q X priced normally in the UK but it just doesn’t seem to exist. I would love to find out why we don’t seem to get any stock delivered here anymore as I don’t seem like the only one gunning for a Q X
Appreciate you guys doing videos for Europe specifically but I've always wondered why you've never reviewed any Iiyama monitors? They seem to be pretty competitive in terms of price and specs.
UA-camr as every influencer have contractors to sell their product. If not presented it's not because it's not a bad product but because nobody paid that particular channel.
@@fabrb26 If you're implying they only cover monitors they get paid to review then you're making an extremely serious allegation that is not at all supported... HU isnt some influencer channel, along with Gamers Nexus they're arguably the most professional hardware review channels on the internet. Brands dont pay them, they send them a monitor for free which is more likely to be the reason for why they havent reviewed any Iiyama monitors, the brand simply doesnt send them out it seems. They do not get payment to make reviews however that is ridiculous.
I got myself an MSI MAG274QRF-QD Monitor a few years ago but I got older and work got more important....So now I'm in the market for a 5K Productivity Monitor. So its as far as I know between the Apple Studio, BenQ or Samsung Viewfinity. For me the only prio is: Display sharpness, Color Accuracy and compatibility with my Macbook Pro. I stare at this display for probably between 8-12hours per day so something that's nice on the eyes is a nice bonus.... Oled not an option (sadly) It's for my remote setup. I'm still hoping/wishing for a Retina Monitor from Apple and maybe 32" instead of 27" but yeah...This is where I'm at right now.
Nice vid for us europeans! But one question: why are there no Samsung Odysseys in test videos anymore? I bought a Samsung Odyssey g52a a year ago for around 200€ and it is awesome!
i had now three GP850s and my brother bought one as well. We both never saw such an awful amount of IPS glow and low contrast. even looking straight in the middle of the screen makes everything that is not a bright color blue/red-ish and glowy to an amount that even a TN panel looks better from a slight angle than this panel. And the M27QX is now replaced by REV. 2 a massive downgrade with a even at picture quality and at 240Hz overshooting BOE Panel and not the original sharp panel in Rev. 1 (which i own as well)
I don't have other problems you mentioned with GP850 but the IPS glow took me by surprise (the closer you sit to the monitor the worse it get), expected something better since this monitor is often recommended, still considering returning mine.
My friend just ordered msi mag274qrf-qd 2 days before this video in italy it hasn't arrived yet . But at 350€ it better be the best 1440p 170Hz non-oled monitor that exists .
Bought a LG27GR95E for €800 with this Black Friday sale, saved myself about €350 from retail price and about €120 on the AQDM which was also on sale. The benefits don't matter to me when I'm saving that much, the experience of the WOLED will be more or less the same.
I just can’t stress how great full I am for this European version. Prices can be such a pain here but this really helps! In case you think it’s worth it because you changed your mind on certain monitors or new ones came out. I’d love to see a refresh:)
I just bought an HP X27q. 27" IPS, 1440p, 165Hz (via DP, HDMI is 144 Hz max), 1ms GtG. Usually it goes for around 299 € here in germany. Got it on Cyber Monday for 199 €.
plz test vg27aql1a its the newer version of vg27aq1a and is brighter and a little faster at least thats what asus claims im waiting on a HO review of this for a long time now. ty for amazing monitor tests i wish you made more of these.
The best 1440p hdr monitor in Europe is the KTC oled G27P6 that cost 664 euros right now. it beats the Asus in HDR mode with a much less agressive ABL and a brighter picture especialy above 10% window. Also the KTC color accuracy out of the box is better than the Asus in HDR.
Thanks for the video. Curious to know why you’ve not done a review for the Philips Evnia 5000 range? Would be good to see some reviews for these as they look pretty competitive
I'm not in the European market but if I were, I would take a look at AOC Q24GA/BK and/or the Koorui GP01 if you want a 23.8" 165hz 1440p IPS monitor. Better PPI for text clarity than 27" and also the preferred size for competitive shooters like CS2.
Thank you for the helpful detailed review as always! I just purchased the MSI G274QPF-QD today on Amazon for a great value price, I'm super excited! Uprgrading from Pixio 248 Prime
it's not just the price of the 1080p monitor the reason to buy it but prices of GPU's too. having a mix of medium and high settings at native 1080 beats turning down things to low just to "enjoy" the 1440p. I've also seen a lot of people's desk setups, having tiny desks, even 27 inch might be too big, so you would just be wasting money for a difference you will see only side by side
I smashed my 10 year 1080p 144hz Benq and it is only logical to move to 1440p for next 5+ years. But I agree if u have working 1080p and are not upgrading your gpu then 1440p is a bad choice.
A use-case for going with a 1080p monitor in 2023, aside from refresh-rate and price, is that you have more margin to go "ultra settings" in the most demanding games (specially featuring ray tracing) and still get 60fps or above performance without compromising image quality because it's the panel's native resolution. Also, depending on how close you are to the screen and its size, just for gaming it may not make much sense to get anything higher. Personally I user a dual-monitor setup with a low-refresh rate high resolution and color accurate monitor for production, and a smaller 24" 1080p high-refresh rate one for gaming.
@@alexanderbr8525 it's not the native resolution of the panel. Even though 4K supposedly scales perfectly to 1080p, in practice it's never as sharp as native.
I'm pretty happy with my LG 38GN950P-B I picked up on black Friday for 682€. It's a shame there aren't any OLED options for the 3840x1600 resolution yet. Now I really need to update my rig, my 980Ti with DP1.2 can't run the display at 144hz, so I'm limited to 75hz (cause 120Hz set the color to 4:2:2 and I can't handle the color fringing).
So I had a black friday deal on a Gigabyte M27Q in Austria for 250€. I am already on my second unit with a dead pixel and on my way to exchange it for the third time. I googled and saw that a lot of people are complaining about the QA of Gigabyte Monitors. Maybe something to be mentioned in future videos.
What about 32" 1440p monitors? They've gotten quite popular now and in my opinion, they're the best size for mixed gaming and productivity. I wouldn't switch back to 27" after I got my LG 32GQ850 (32" 1440p @ 240/270 HZ), it's so much nicer and immersive. I own a 27" 1440p @ 144hz LG as well, which was my previous monitor and now I use it as a secondary monitor, and the difference in image quality is massive in every aspect (especially as I can use 100% scaling on Windows with the 32", which effectively gives me more screen space to work with, making this feel like a 4K monitor). Also, I don't think there's any better option at this category, especially because of the coating of this display, which I'm in love with - semi-glossy (hard to find nowadays). I hate so much the "matte" coatings which affect the contrast and sharpness and give this milky appearance to the image. I use this monitor for everything, single player games with nice graphics, esports (270 HZ is super nice) as well as for productivity and multimedia (watching youtube & netflix is also amazing on it due to the size).
P.S.: The LG 32GQ850 is about 560 EUR in Romania and in my opinion it's the best monitor you can buy for this money right now, if your needs aren't specific and you want to use it for a variety of things - gaming, multimedia, work, etc.
@@redrock425 I've heard that argument before. I can't spot a difference in pixel density. If any, the 27 is less sharp as it's a different coating and pixels might be physically smaller, further apart from each other in the matrix. Furthermore, the distance you're viewing from matters a lot. Generally, you'd be almost 1 meter away from a 32". Another thing that people don't really understand is that it's better to actually be able to distinguish the pixels a bit on a monitor. When your eyes can do that, the brain and eyes will make less effort to understand the image, as they won't be looking for details smaller than a pixel. So in that regards, a 1440p is much "easier" on the eyes to look at than a 4K, although the 4K might look more life-like.
AQN and AQDM just went on sale in NL. Going 990 and 890 respectively. Not that bad. I am just browsing between the two like a pelican. But due to the fact I have lg c1 55", I think AQN is a better fit as a side kick. 360hz ips for OW, CS, others and lg tv for single player
Would be nice to see some test results for the best monitors. At least some specs in written form. Was upset there were none in the best monitors video (the us version)
I think in general no one really needs a screen over 300€ even than thats a borderline. Everything above is pure luxury, which is not needed for the average person.
Great video, as always. I have an, admittedly very nieche, question: do you have any recommendations for 24" 1440p displays (based in EUW) for a casual FPS gamer (focus on low input lag/latency)? I am currently looking at the AOC Q24G2A/BK, but am unsure, because there are so few 24" 1440p displays on the market.
Thank you for helping us europeans too!
Indeed. It’s much appreciated.
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@Paulchiefsquad : Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
@Monitors Unboxed & @Hardware Unboxed : regionalized advice is a FANTASITC idea, Tim and Steve !!! Please keep doing this, this is EXCELLENT content !!! 🙂🙂🙂
I would love to see this concept taken further, like monitors for productivity usage for instance. And other non-monitor products as well.
Yep with eu local he mentions at 1440p mine, the lg 850 or whatever its called. Its good but nothing amazing. HDR works ok in games on windows 11. Waiting for oled cheap pricing/2nd gen with better features.
Enjoy paying 60% tax europoors
Thanks for having us in Europe in mind.
It's a shame that companies haven't changed their products much in a year. Tvs are a lot more interesting for these premium prices for these tiny 27" panels.
yea i even game on my TV cuz it supports HDR and 4k Res at 60HZ which is fine imo for €700 it's 55 inch screen.
@@Mark9150 Damn for €600 I got a 55 inch 4k mini led tv with 1000+ nits brightness for HDR and 144hz refresh rate
I really appreciate the extra work, for doing this "Europe-Specific" Video.
Instant like even before seeing the video.
Putting in effort for EU deals is rare. Thanks!
absolutely!
Thank you for keeping the European market in mind! This video comes at the right time as I am looking for a good QHD monitor for some friends (in Germany). Now I feel comfortable in recommending the LG 27GP850P to them. When it comes to myself, I'm still very happy with my LG 38GN950-B. Unfortunately this wasn't a spectacular year for 38" ultrawides, I'd love to see some more models with improved backlighting.
Depending on your price range, I'm very happy with the Samsung Odyssey G8. It can be expensive though, in Norway it's been on sale for ~€850 last week, although now it's back up to it's more regular price of ~€1-1.2k. Personally I think it's a great monitor and I have 0 regrets paying such a high price for a monitor, although I'd probably wait a bit and see if there are either new monitors coming out, or salves on current good monitors.
@@tsjeriAu Thank you for your recommendation. Unfortunately the G8 is out of our budget range from ~200-300€. My friends want to use the system casually anyway.
I've owned the 27GP850P-B for just over 2 years now, still great! Pretty sure you'll be happy with the purchase.
I bought the 27GP850P-B 3 weeks ago (in Germany) and im very happy with it.
@@doushannon2799 you should've considered 32GP850 model with monitor arm mount instead - it is quite a difference compared to 27" model. Pixes size is still not too big, so image is not grainy, i would say 2K and 32" is optimal combination. Panel size is perfect for desktop, but stock stand is too huge, so arm mount is needed. Using this for 2 years almost. Anyway LG's GP850 series are the best choice in terms of price/features/quality.
I really wish you guys would separate oled from the rest, and have a premium recommendation for non-oled monitors.
Same. Looking at the ultrawide recommendations just doesn't help, because I use mine for work as well. They're clearly only the best if all you do is gaming, which is unrealistic.
I agree for the QLED and OLED section, we need a section without them for the best color responsiveness and refresh rate, since burn in is rather nasty to deal with and I'd imagine that even if you're mainly gaming you do spend a considerable time on the web or having static elements on the screen for a prolonged period of time.
@@Tyfuzzle whats your price range on an Ultrawide? I am someone who legit buys monitors just to test them at this point and send em back and UW is the main one I do so for. I don't have the fanciest testing equipment like these guys but I could probably list off some decent UWs
I suspect they consider 'premium non-OLED' to be a waste of money, since cheaper LCDs cover most of the fundamental performance that LCD tech has these days (aside from e-sports very high speed panels). I wish it didn't, but local dimming tech just sucks compared to per pixel lighting. Will have to keep waiting for micro LED if you don't want OLED.
@@Tyfuzzle I'm using my AW3423DWF both for work and gaming, will report back if I get burn in within the warranty period
I personally got a Gigabyte M27Q rev2.0 (which is identical to the M27Q P) for 240€ and it looks like I was right since all of your budget picks aren't even available in France or are way more expensive unfortunately.
Still, making videos for EU from time to time is really cool of you and it's appreciated.
"identical"? M27Q Rev. 2.0 is using an Innolux-Panel and M27Q P a way better and newer LG-Panel?
@@marzok9632 Oh didn't know that. Can you tell what are the differences ? Because when I checked comparisons for both monitors they were pretty much even.
Is rev 2.0 M27Q-SA?
@@walrider LG has better motion clarity and response times and is also better tuned in M27Q P: So it has a Single Overdrive Performance.
Also LG Panels pretend to have way better coating but in this case it shouldn't be a big difference. Especially because the M27Q P didn't use a Nano-IPS Version.
The LG Panel also has slightly better colours (but worse contrast, like most LG panels) and a hardwareintegrated low blue light.
@@UniteAnonymous I think the model name is the same than the M27Q rev 1.0 (really confusing) so that should be the M27Q-EK
I think this is a great idea for a video. Would love to see more of these for the buyer's guides!
Any chance of any Australia focused videos? It's a small irk as I know why Aus/NZ creators always focus on US market since they have more audience there but it's always something I notice when watching you guys and other local channels on similar topics, like optimum tech or similar
I second this as an Australian.
Hey thanks for making a Europe specific one!
Thanks a lot for reviewing European prices, not a lot of tech observers do that. Very appreciated!
Some additions that I found to be true in quite a few European markets that I would like your opinion(s) on:
Budget 1440p gaming monitor: Dell G2724D. It is usually not cheap enough (~300 euros) when sold by retailers, but Dell seems to have had it on sale for quite a while now, retailing around 230 euros. Looking at reviews from other sources such as rtings, it seems like this monitor is possibly the best (or one of) value 1440p gaming monitors on the market. Do you have any interest in reviewing this monitor in the future?
High refresh rate 1440p: Samsung G7 (27 inch), while having a higher normal price than MSI G275QP-X and GIGABYTE M27QX, is often on sale for as low as ~300 euros. The model is not very new, but for that kind of price I don't see many negatives as long as the buyer is fine with a curved monitor.
I've been wondering about G2724D as well and would appreciate an opinion, especially in comparison to the MSI G274QPF QD. Here in Poland the Dell can be found for around 300-320 EUR, while the MSI offering usually retails for ~360 EUR. LG is just ugly :P
I am from germany and bought it in directly from Dell for 229€. It arrived yesterday and I am staggered by it. I mean I changed my 60hz display with it so I joined another dimension of smooth images anyway by going from 60 to 165hz. But the image quality is aalso very very good in terms of colors and contrast. I use custom colors because I made slight adjustmens because I like my display with a slight higher gamma factor and
300 is not budget. You can get the Phillips 27 inch 165hz 5500vl for 220. Which is ridiculously worth it
@@Pand0rasAct0r_ Dell sellls the G2724D currently for under 250€. With its performance it is in my oppinion the best 1440p non oled gaming display currently.
@@floh667 eh its ips so less good contrast and its 290 here. compared to 220 of the phillips. i still think the phillips is better. especially if you actually want to watch stuff on it. or enjoy more visual experience.
So nice to see Euro prices, thank you for this 🙌
Still no mention of the Dell G2724D?
+1
Really do appreciate this, it is nice to have pricing closer to (though not quite at) home.
What about this one: AOC Q24G2A? A 24" 1440p 165Hz IPS monitor for €200 ? Seems like a great deal for those of us wanting / needing smaller panels with higher DPI !
Has a 4ms GtG, its certified as G-Sync compatible, has 80% of Adobe RGB and DCI-P3 and has a 130mm of height adjust, ±30° of swivel AND 90° pivot!
Just got my Lg 27GR95QE based on your reviews and absolutely love it. Couldn’t justify the extra cost for brightness I really didn’t need, I do not regret the purchase at all.
Better than Samsung g7 ?
Thanks for your review! I was able to snag a AW3423DWF for 719 euros, arriving next monday. I was able to get a samsung G8 as well for below 800 euros, but dell offered an additional year of warranty with explicit burn-in coverage. When asking Samsung support about this, they replied that burn-in is only covered if is not the result of "excessive usage", and that only the technician can determine whether it is caused by excessive use or not. It all seemed to vague for me, so I decided on the Alienware.
I'm upgrading from my U2515H, which is almost 10 years old at this point and has had a column of dead pixels for the past year or so. Very excited!!
Did the exact same choice this week
I have an M28U, and it makes me wonder if somehow the objective tests are failing to fully capture exactly how these screens look to our eyes in real time, because to me, the M28U looks so much better than you'd expect for 144hz. Just moving the mouse pointer around on a Windows desktop, the pointer is so sharp and clear. It's really close to the 360hz PG27AQN, and way better than any other monitor I have, so I actually use the M28U for fast multiplayer games in preference to the PG27AQN because I sure as heck can easily see the difference between 4k and 1440p, and I actually find that makes a noticeable difference in Rocket League or CS2 where being able to clearly see other players when they're small on the screen can be important. I know Tim is already highly recommending the M28U, but in practice I feel like it's subjectively even better than you'd think from the objective test measurements.
some of those could be attributed to it having quite high PPI (pixels per inch) rather than just the resolution. i'm thinking of buying a 27" 4k monitor too, mostly for text clarity, as i'm looking at text all day (which looks really bad at 24" 1080p, especially small font sizes)
I've made similar experiences with the Asus TUF VG28U. It has a really fast and clear IPS panel with adaptive Overdrive. The only thing i don't like is that it has no speakers. Otherwise i would have bought a second one for my engineering workshop. I have no space for speakers on my crammed and convoluted work table and want to keep it cable free as possible.
I'm surprised the AOC Q24G2A/BK isn't mentioned. It's a 23.8"/1440p/165Hz/IPS monitor. It sounds like a great (and the only?) option for people who find 27" too big and 1080p too low. It costs about €200.
Phew.. This video had me worried because I just bought two MSI 27" G274QPX a few days ago on the black Friday sales and got scared he was going to mention "better" monitors all of a sudden😅luckily it's the same recommendations as the previous video I watched aaaand good to see it still being recommended in this video. Colours & settings are great after tweaking them and the 240hz is great for competitive games. They look great side by side 😍IPS panels show some glow but nothing to the point I wanna cry about it. I'm glad this channel exists and helped me pull the trigger since my other 2 monitors broke. Thaaank youu :)
I ordered the LG 27GR93U for 480 euros after seeing your review and RTINGS review, it arrived today and as of now I can say that I'm pretty satisfied with it, HDR may not be fantastic but it still is acceptable. I found my best settings in Gamer 1 mode, setting brightness to max and adjusting a bit the black stabilizer. Contrast is not high as my old 1440p VA panel (benQ mobiuz EX2710R) but the image quality and color fidelity is, overall, way better.
How do you find the Monitor for gaming? Are the colours good/not washed out?And how's the IPS glow.I am normally not playing in a pitch black room,but a slightly lit room.
@@saneldjukic6260 pretty good, responsiveness is great, everything is crisp and clean, colors are pretty good, not too vibrant, but definitely not washed out, don’t worry ;). I have no trouble at all in a room with constant brightness change, and when it’s more dark, the semi-gloss screen effect is pretty good. I can still say that I’m satisfied with the monitor as of now, so i highly recommend it to you :)
@@saneldjukic6260 It's fine, this module using a BOE panel that has a flaw: Text having a color fringe, im not used to that thing. as long as you dont care about that, it's fine
@@kaslofchen257 Thx for the repply.I don't do a lot of office work etc,mostly gaming and a bit of browsing.Maybe this issue can be fixed in a future software update.
@@saneldjukic6260 it's not a big deal though, i think many just don't even notice the flaw. BTW I believe this is more of a hardware stuff and cannot be fixed through firmware.
A few times you mention that a monitor is "not ideal for productivity work". Would be nice to see a rundown of which ones are a good choice for gaming + work.
What do you do for work? That's also important I guess. For example; I've owned and used a Lg27GP850P-B for just over 2 years now, been excellent. I mostly deal with text for work so can't comment on how good it would be for stuff like video editing. But it's good for gaming and I haven't noticed weird colours or anything. However I'm probably not as critical on colour accuracy as someone who does photoshop the entire day so I probably don't know enough about that part. But for gaming/text and general pc use it's been great. Only thing I would've liked is 2 display ports so I could daisy chain to second monitor for work laptop and still use 165hz when connected to my own pc. That may be a limitation of my graphics card hdmi connection though, not sure. Another edit: I never use HDR so idk about that part either lol
5:18 how about the Alienware AW2723DF ?
When its on sale it is about the 480-500€ mark.
I disagree with some choices here.
AOC Q24G2A is cheaper than 27" monitors and 2 overdrives will cover whole refresh range. I would avoid AOC 24G2SP because it requires 3 overdrive modes, it is already quite slow and there were cheaper monitors last time I looked (1-2 months ago). I am pretty sure there are much better alternatives, like Asus VG249Q1A (1 overdrive and faster panel in general). There are many other options, this was just my main contender while I was waiting for Benq EX240 to appear and then I discovered Q24G2A which made EX240 obsolete...
I know that not all monitors can be covered, but too many interesting monitors are missing, From some very cheap 1080p to VA that actually matches IPS in speed (G7 does not), testing seems to be missing because Tim is focused on OLED. I am not surprised Tim covered new TN from ASUS, it is pricey after all.
I appreciate the video! I think this is the first quality video for a specific region
coming from an American that lives in America, I found this info most useful 🤓
Does anyone know how would dell gaming series compare to some of these? Any of these: G2724D, G3223D, G3223Q?
Asking myself the same... Unfortunately, Dell is often under represented in newer reviews or general discussions :/
I just bought the G3223D, hopefully it's good 🙏
we need review of Dell G2724D
Can say that I am enjoying the G3223D. Good color, no issues with Gsync.
I will say though, that I wish it was 4K, since pixel density is a bit low compared to how close I sit to the monitor, but when I lean back for some controller gaming, it's perfect.
@@JakeRayTMI can agree. I've bought G3223D as well. Pixel density is only problem when sitting near and working with text, looking at small icons and stuff like that. Gaming and movies, I think even when sitting close, it's very hard to notice anything. It's a great monitor at the right price.
What is with the dell g2724d?
we need review !
These region-specific recommendations are very much appreciated, thanks very much!
What about MSI G272QPF = 267$ or LG UltraGear 27GR75Q-B = 256$ and ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ1A = 278$ !?!?
Watching this video in my brand new Odyssey G8 OLED and its looking great! Got it for 880€ here in Finland. The QD-OLED comparison video helped me alot when deciding between this and the Alienware counterpart. Thanks for noticing Europe!
great video, what are ur thoughts on the alienware AW2723DF?
As a dutchie i appreciate the effort you guys put in the videos even for us Europese people
Love your video. But please can you make an update? All of the budget 1440p monitors dosent sell anymore (at least in my country).
Wait 🇪🇺 gets love too? Thank you so much 🔥
what about asus TUF Gaming VG27AQL1A Vs MSI G274QPF-QD ? In my region, the price of both monitors is almost the same, but which one is better?
I bought the LG 27GR75Q in august... It is a great gaming monitor, amazing color accuracy and 165hz refresh rate with almost negligible backlight bleeding. It doesn't have a speaker, I had one from my previous PC and I'm currently using it to play on my PS5
How's the brightness and contrast? Are colors vibrant planning to buy too
Should I buy the Gigabyte g27q or lg 27gr75q?
I will mostly use it for watching movies and also occasionally for playing csgo. Which one has better colors and HDR?
Please try to cover mini LED monitors, for us who are not intersected in OLED - monitors with expiry date.
thanks for keeping us in mind Tim 🙂Got my M32Q a few years back based on your advice. Will do the same for my next one! When the time comes eventually
The LG 48gq900-b is on sale for 699$(US) making OLED much more obtainable for those of us on a budget and finally a real contender to the C2 at this price imo. It's big and probably not ideal for esports but I imagine it's great for single player games. Please consider doing a video on this monitor.
Please Tim going forward, more UW options and bigger than 27" coverage please. Thank you for your hard work
I ordered a AOC Q27G2S/EU a few days ago. It's a 27" 1440P, 144Hz on HDMI, 165Hz on DP, IPS panel that is priced at about 269,99€ normally on amazon. I got it for 219,00€ and I will come back here soon to lay down what I think of it after testing it out a bit.
I own a AOC 24G2U and Alienware AW2521HFA, and color/contrast/brightness wise, the Alienware which cost quite a bit more is better only in refresh rates. So, my expectations are fairly high for the AOC 27".
I am scouring the web for a M27Q X priced normally in the UK but it just doesn’t seem to exist.
I would love to find out why we don’t seem to get any stock delivered here anymore as I don’t seem like the only one gunning for a Q X
Im in the uk amazon were doing the LG27GR93u for £432 for black friday i work for them used my discount and got it for £390 very good monitor.
Thanks for the video!!!! Really helpful
Appreciate you guys doing videos for Europe specifically but I've always wondered why you've never reviewed any Iiyama monitors? They seem to be pretty competitive in terms of price and specs.
UA-camr as every influencer have contractors to sell their product. If not presented it's not because it's not a bad product but because nobody paid that particular channel.
@@fabrb26 If you're implying they only cover monitors they get paid to review then you're making an extremely serious allegation that is not at all supported...
HU isnt some influencer channel, along with Gamers Nexus they're arguably the most professional hardware review channels on the internet.
Brands dont pay them, they send them a monitor for free which is more likely to be the reason for why they havent reviewed any Iiyama monitors, the brand simply doesnt send them out it seems.
They do not get payment to make reviews however that is ridiculous.
I recommend the HyperX armada 27. its only about 200 euro in belgium. looks great and the stand is high quality
It costs 400 euros everywhere else.
I got myself an MSI MAG274QRF-QD Monitor a few years ago but I got older and work got more important....So now I'm in the market for a 5K Productivity Monitor. So its as far as I know between the Apple Studio, BenQ or Samsung Viewfinity.
For me the only prio is: Display sharpness, Color Accuracy and compatibility with my Macbook Pro. I stare at this display for probably between 8-12hours per day so something that's nice on the eyes is a nice bonus.... Oled not an option (sadly)
It's for my remote setup. I'm still hoping/wishing for a Retina Monitor from Apple and maybe 32" instead of 27" but yeah...This is where I'm at right now.
Nice vid for us europeans! But one question: why are there no Samsung Odysseys in test videos anymore? I bought a Samsung Odyssey g52a a year ago for around 200€ and it is awesome!
i had now three GP850s and my brother bought one as well. We both never saw such an awful amount of IPS glow and low contrast.
even looking straight in the middle of the screen makes everything that is not a bright color blue/red-ish and glowy to an amount that even a TN panel looks better from a slight angle than this panel.
And the M27QX is now replaced by REV. 2 a massive downgrade with a even at picture quality and at 240Hz overshooting BOE Panel and not the original sharp panel in Rev. 1 (which i own as well)
Couldnt agree more
Found a lot of buyer reviews mentioning this for LG GP850. Glad you are also confirming it. I wonder why this is not adressed in his videos.
Not any issues on my lg aside from ips glow, but my room is always bright so i don't notice it
I don't have other problems you mentioned with GP850 but the IPS glow took me by surprise (the closer you sit to the monitor the worse it get), expected something better since this monitor is often recommended, still considering returning mine.
I didn't notice any glow that I would call abnormal for an IPS monitor on mine, but then again, I rarely play in the dark
In the UK the 27GP95RP-B (27GP950 refresh) is ~£500, with the 27GR93U-B at ~£430. Is the 27GP95RP-B worth the £70 more when on sale? Why or why not?
Searching for the monitors of the last video in France was a nightmare. I was looking forward to this video. Many thanks!
My friend just ordered msi mag274qrf-qd 2 days before this video in italy it hasn't arrived yet . But at 350€ it better be the best 1440p 170Hz non-oled monitor that exists .
Bought a LG27GR95E for €800 with this Black Friday sale, saved myself about €350 from retail price and about €120 on the AQDM which was also on sale. The benefits don't matter to me when I'm saving that much, the experience of the WOLED will be more or less the same.
The Alienware AW3423DWF is £660 from Dell at the moment which is an absolute steal
Snagged one yesterday, arrives Tuesday. Can’t wait.
What about the spu model that has a usb hub
Thank you for this version.
Love from Sweden.
Please review LG 27GR75Q no one talking about this monitor
I just can’t stress how great full I am for this European version. Prices can be such a pain here but this really helps! In case you think it’s worth it because you changed your mind on certain monitors or new ones came out. I’d love to see a refresh:)
Thank you so much for this!
I just bought an HP X27q. 27" IPS, 1440p, 165Hz (via DP, HDMI is 144 Hz max), 1ms GtG. Usually it goes for around 299 € here in germany. Got it on Cyber Monday for 199 €.
plz test vg27aql1a its the newer version of vg27aq1a and is brighter and a little faster at least thats what asus claims im waiting on a HO review of this for a long time now. ty for amazing monitor tests i wish you made more of these.
The best 1440p hdr monitor in Europe is the KTC oled G27P6 that cost 664 euros right now.
it beats the Asus in HDR mode with a much less agressive ABL and a brighter picture especialy above 10% window.
Also the KTC color accuracy out of the box is better than the Asus in HDR.
Same for regular 1440p - KTC H27T22 can be bought for less than 250€ and is great quality
Big big props for trying to service us in the eu! Thnx a bunch!
Thanks for taking the time to do this version
Thanks for the video. Curious to know why you’ve not done a review for the Philips Evnia 5000 range? Would be good to see some reviews for these as they look pretty competitive
Bless you Tim for thinking about us!
I’m super holding off for next year for 4k oled glossy, until then my lg gp950 is a great choice
Thanks for covering the EU pricing! We EU guys got confused when discorvering that our prices are very different to the US prices
What about 24"1440p 165hz Aoc q24g2?
220euros for crispy image?
How nice, thanks a lot man!
I'm not in the European market but if I were, I would take a look at AOC Q24GA/BK and/or the Koorui GP01 if you want a 23.8" 165hz 1440p IPS monitor. Better PPI for text clarity than 27" and also the preferred size for competitive shooters like CS2.
Thank you so much for keeping Europe in mind!
Thank you for the helpful detailed review as always!
I just purchased the MSI G274QPF-QD today on Amazon for a great value price, I'm super excited! Uprgrading from Pixio 248 Prime
Thank you very much guys!
Literally only commented this on the other video.
Gentlemen and scholars yous are. Lots of love from the irish 🙏
it's not just the price of the 1080p monitor the reason to buy it but prices of GPU's too. having a mix of medium and high settings at native 1080 beats turning down things to low just to "enjoy" the 1440p. I've also seen a lot of people's desk setups, having tiny desks, even 27 inch might be too big, so you would just be wasting money for a difference you will see only side by side
finally someone who says something makes sense.
I smashed my 10 year 1080p 144hz Benq and it is only logical to move to 1440p for next 5+ years. But I agree if u have working 1080p and are not upgrading your gpu then 1440p is a bad choice.
plus youre not used to 27 inch and look for an allrounder at the same time.@@filipivan5125
Thanks for including Europe dedicated video
A use-case for going with a 1080p monitor in 2023, aside from refresh-rate and price, is that you have more margin to go "ultra settings" in the most demanding games (specially featuring ray tracing) and still get 60fps or above performance without compromising image quality because it's the panel's native resolution.
Also, depending on how close you are to the screen and its size, just for gaming it may not make much sense to get anything higher. Personally I user a dual-monitor setup with a low-refresh rate high resolution and color accurate monitor for production, and a smaller 24" 1080p high-refresh rate one for gaming.
But you could also just run any 1440p or 4k monitor with 1080p Resolution
@@alexanderbr8525 it's not the native resolution of the panel. Even though 4K supposedly scales perfectly to 1080p, in practice it's never as sharp as native.
This year we continue to appreciate it!
I'm pretty happy with my LG 38GN950P-B I picked up on black Friday for 682€. It's a shame there aren't any OLED options for the 3840x1600 resolution yet.
Now I really need to update my rig, my 980Ti with DP1.2 can't run the display at 144hz, so I'm limited to 75hz (cause 120Hz set the color to 4:2:2 and I can't handle the color fringing).
So I had a black friday deal on a Gigabyte M27Q in Austria for 250€. I am already on my second unit with a dead pixel and on my way to exchange it for the third time. I googled and saw that a lot of people are complaining about the QA of Gigabyte Monitors. Maybe something to be mentioned in future videos.
i must ask, where did you get those prices? in my country those monitors are 20-40% more expensive then the prices you mention. And they are on sale
What about 32" 1440p monitors? They've gotten quite popular now and in my opinion, they're the best size for mixed gaming and productivity. I wouldn't switch back to 27" after I got my LG 32GQ850 (32" 1440p @ 240/270 HZ), it's so much nicer and immersive. I own a 27" 1440p @ 144hz LG as well, which was my previous monitor and now I use it as a secondary monitor, and the difference in image quality is massive in every aspect (especially as I can use 100% scaling on Windows with the 32", which effectively gives me more screen space to work with, making this feel like a 4K monitor).
Also, I don't think there's any better option at this category, especially because of the coating of this display, which I'm in love with - semi-glossy (hard to find nowadays). I hate so much the "matte" coatings which affect the contrast and sharpness and give this milky appearance to the image.
I use this monitor for everything, single player games with nice graphics, esports (270 HZ is super nice) as well as for productivity and multimedia (watching youtube & netflix is also amazing on it due to the size).
P.S.: The LG 32GQ850 is about 560 EUR in Romania and in my opinion it's the best monitor you can buy for this money right now, if your needs aren't specific and you want to use it for a variety of things - gaming, multimedia, work, etc.
The issue is the lower pixel density. I have a 27" and a 32" 1440p monitor side by side. The 32" is noticeably less sharp.
@@redrock425 I've heard that argument before. I can't spot a difference in pixel density. If any, the 27 is less sharp as it's a different coating and pixels might be physically smaller, further apart from each other in the matrix.
Furthermore, the distance you're viewing from matters a lot. Generally, you'd be almost 1 meter away from a 32".
Another thing that people don't really understand is that it's better to actually be able to distinguish the pixels a bit on a monitor. When your eyes can do that, the brain and eyes will make less effort to understand the image, as they won't be looking for details smaller than a pixel. So in that regards, a 1440p is much "easier" on the eyes to look at than a 4K, although the 4K might look more life-like.
Thanks for thinking of us
Thank you for covering us!
Just picked up LG 27GP850-B for $380AUD. Not sure if there were any other better deals but I'm pretty happy with this purchase.
Thanks for Europe specific content man. You guys are great!!!
Europe We Go!
Where did you find the Gigabyte M27Q-X in europe? I have searched everywhere and i can't find it.
AQN and AQDM just went on sale in NL. Going 990 and 890 respectively. Not that bad.
I am just browsing between the two like a pelican. But due to the fact I have lg c1 55", I think AQN is a better fit as a side kick. 360hz ips for OW, CS, others and lg tv for single player
You guys are awesome for doing this, thank you so much!
Would be nice to see some test results for the best monitors. At least some specs in written form. Was upset there were none in the best monitors video (the us version)
i'm not even looking for a monitor but this guys videos are just so nice to listen to
If you waited this long for a monitor, you might as well wait just 2 more months for 4K 240hz Generation 2 QD OLED
This channel is getting better and better
I think in general no one really needs a screen over 300€ even than thats a borderline. Everything above is pure luxury, which is not needed for the average person.
Great video, as always. I have an, admittedly very nieche, question: do you have any recommendations for 24" 1440p displays (based in EUW) for a casual FPS gamer (focus on low input lag/latency)? I am currently looking at the AOC Q24G2A/BK, but am unsure, because there are so few 24" 1440p displays on the market.