Todd Graves is the real deal - his passion for teaching Moe’s Swing is tremendous. He, his brother Tim and the entire group at GGA are exceptional at supporting my journey to learning the SP System - high quality products and terrific instruction. The Golf School was superb and I’m hitting the ball so much better. There is no instant pudding - you have to put in the ‘practice with a purpose’ but it works! Thanks, Todd!
I can recall purchasing a four day pass to watch the Canadian Open being played in Hamilton, Ontario, years ago. On my way to round one, I heard that there was a free clinic at a driving range about 2miles from the site of the open, being given by Moe Norman. I decided to stop and watch him hit golf balls. I cannot tell you who won the tourney, or if I even saw any golf at the Open, but I can tell you that for four days I saw Moe Norman hitting golf balls. It was so strange that every so often, the Open would call the driving range to remind the pros that they had to leave the driving range to tee off at the Open. They were as enthralled with him as I was.
The is the first time I’ve had someone explain the setup positions and why they are creating a single plain swing. Nicely done. I went out and hit 250 balls mostly paying attention to the hand shaft relationship at setup. And had a great ball striking session. Not sure I’d copy all his positions but that hand shaft relationship was a good start.
Golf is all about one thing, and one thing only - consistency. I started the SPS last year, and my consistency shot through the roof! I restricted myself to just my tee shots, and my shots were not necessarily long, but nice and straight with a little fade at the end. This year I will incorporate the SPS to my iron shots, and hopefully the same consistence that I have with my tee shots will be in my approach shots. I'm very pleased with the results I'm getting with the SPS, and I look forward to continuing my single plane journey.
I want thank you Todd for sps it save my golf game. 40 years of conventional swing and was ready to give up golf, but love golf so much. Keep up the wonderful work your team are doing for golfers
I'm an 18 handicapper with the ability to hit it long off the tee, but with no consistency. Right, left, you name it. It ruins my game. With this mind, I spend some time studying Todd's videos and today I tried it out. I went straight into a practice round with no range time and probably did five single plan swings off the tee. Each time they got better and straighter and I ultimately hit my last one really pure and dead straight. Followed it up with a nice, flush 3 wood. It felt really good off the club - a different sensation from other good shots I played. For me, it was important to give myself some forward momentum through the ball. I love the fact that this is a formula. Can't wait to get out there and try it again. Thanks Todd!
@@treymclaughlin2804 No, I've tried to perfect the Hogan swing..watching and trying to copy how the tour pros do it. Too many variables in that though. Reckon Moe's simplified approach makes more sense now looking back.
Great video Todd. I just became a gold member and I love all the content. You and your staff do a great job of really simplifying the golf swing. It may look unconventional but once you start hitting pure shots with this swing there it's no going back.
@@ToddGravesGolf I was ready to quit golf 6 months ago. Luckily I found your videos and have renewed my interest. I have heard of this a few years ago, I believe it was called Natural Golf, but it wasn't presented as well as you are doing. I have ordered your system and I believe it will get me back on track. Thank you for your help
Very interesting and thought provoking video. I have always struggled with the two part swing. Angles, timing, positions, on and on. Always up for trying something new and this is logical and makes sense. Moe’s legacy is alive and well. Thanks for sharing.
He hit 1000's of balls getting his swing to where he wanted then perfected his moves through a lot of trial and error. He didn't have a model to look at. What's being done by Todd is he's giving you the model without all the trials and tribulations that Moe went through. Moe basically re-invented the wheel to this way of swinging the club. Why tinker when most or I'd say a majority of golfers tinkering with their swing have no idea what exactly they're doing? It's like anything out in the real world, if it works consistently and is efficient then why try to re-invent the process? Is this swing for everyone? YES!! If you're willing to have an open mind and do the drills and compare yourself to the model.
All that time that Mo was hitting golf balls he was figuring out one thing... He felt the best and most simple and efficient physical positions of the body to strike a golf ball perfectly. The two plane swing is practically impossible. Definitely not as repeatable as the Moe Norman swing. That's because most swing takes out all of those impossible variables. He knew the best way to strike the golf ball because he could feel it due to his physical positions. His results speak for themselves. Long and straight down the middle of the Fairway. Miss you Mr Norman!
After thinking about what Moe first told me 38 years ago here in Canada, you are the teacher who has the clarified what I've been wondering about for 4 decades. Great job Todd!
I've hit quite a few shots since committing to this style you teach. There seems to be a sweet spot where it feels right and gives great results. My idea is to get to the point where I get that feeling and those results more often.
Looking at Moe’s swing from the standpoint of the F = 1/2(Mass x Velocity^2) striking force how it different from convention was setting up at address with maxed out ulnar deviation in both wrists, getting maxed out radial deviation in the downswing then releasing it fully back to maxed out ulnar deviation again which whips the club head mass around the dropped hands in a way that exponentially increases striking force and ball compression. He gripped the club in a way that it allowed the wrists to hinge into radial deviation (lag) but only release the lag back to the way he aligned face square to where he wanted the ball to release off the face to target. His grip abruptly stopped the whipping action of the club just long enough to trigger the explosive release of the compressed ball off the face-why his shots sounded distinctly different than those with the conventional sweeping lagging swing-with it difficult to see because it happens so fast and raising the back foot keeps the body and club head moving . Two other golfers whose swing I studied used a similar technique to release the ball off face straight to target: Harry Frankenberg (Count Yogi) and Ben Hogan.
These videos are great. I like that you use the word "biomechanics" because if you use the physics and eliminate the most possibilities for error, it's clear that you'll improve your rate of contact. There is no other choice.
I thought Moe emphasized the business zone of the swing. The only thing that really matters is the 2 -3 feet before contact and after contact. That is why not everyone uses the Moe swing. Other people find it easier to get high velocity and in the correct slot in a different manner. Todd is saying there is only one "easiest way". He may be correct, not sure.
There are many ways to get a job done (speed and impact) but biophysically, there are also easier ways. This is what I am referencing. Less body movement, Less stress, less shaft lift, Less rotation to get the same job done. Consistency is a factor too.
Todd I joined the academy a year ago and after trying, i abandoned this summer. After studying your videos for a second time and having inconsistent results going back to conventional, I literally had an epiphany and everything clicked and made sense. I’m still a work in progress but this swing has totally transformed my game and outlook. My drives and iron shots are flying long and straight when struck well. I was wondering when the next golf school is going to be held and do you recommend any personal launch monitor over another? I’m looking into a garmin r10
DeChambeau and Steve Stricker are two well known PGA pros with single plane swings; however, neither of those fit the Moe Norman model. Except for the bend in her knees, long drive champ Sandra Carlborg's single plane setup looks the closest to Moe's. And just like Sandra, Moe could hit it over 300 yards. Besides giving you the best shot at becoming a good, consistent, ball striker, the other major advantage of Moe's swing, which Todd surprisingly doesn't even mention, is superior ergonomics. Unlike so many pros with conventional swings (including some of the young guys), Moe never had an issue with his back or knees. No surgeries. Swing correctly and you should be able to play as long as you like without ever hurting yourself. (If you are seriously interested in getting it right, become a Gold member and send in videos.)
Your trying to take timing out of it, n just using pure Bio mechanics on a single lever/ single plain swing👍👍👍. I wish you lived in Perth Western Australia. No instructors like you here😭😭😭. I want to learn hybrid swing Mo Norman and is it forgive me I forgot the name. Jimmy Seventos🤔🤔🤔🙏🙏🙏. Looks like perfect swing for me and I can tell by looking it would feel more natural compared to conventional swing techniques. I have a fused wrist on my right hand my dominant hand. So I must learn single plain swing any way👍👍👍. But now I’m gonna fully extend arms to take any movement in or out from body and get that robot arm going 🤔🤔🤔😭😭😭👍👍👍. Cheers M8
I would copy Moe's swing but it seems to already be my swing. I'm 68 so I have been swinging for awhile always with the same smooth swing. I have never tried to change my basic swing. I have shortened my backswing with age but not that much.
Have experimented with this swing in the past but have now fully committed to the change.Good results so far but still a work in progress. "Being good when I am bad" is certainly better. I'm sure you've answered this in other videos but what are your thoughts on Single Length Irons and shorter drivers/hybrids?
I think that there is little advantage to it for most players. Maybe if a company can figure out a 4 length set - but so far I don’t see a major advantage / fix your swing first is always my opinion.
I watched a video that was taken when Moe was 72 yr old. He was showing a difference in his swing that he got from Manual de la Torrid. He said his hands were softer and the swing was circular. Can you comment on this.
Thanks for the video. I have a couple of questions.If you start with hands low, is it possible to return to impact on the same plane, and if not - why? Also, does swinging a weighted club help as an exercise?
How many hours do you think it takes to reach master level is it 10 000 as some say. You said Moe figured it out between the ages of 14 and 19 hitting hundreds of thousands of balls. It takes perseverance and dedication like all disciplines. Do you think there Is a fast track method knowing what you know now about Moe's swing. How about yourself, have you shot in the 50's ? How long did it take you before you knew that you had the feeling of greatness. Watching you hit balls in all those videos if looks like perfection or as close as humanly possible. Great videos by the way .
Good question and good thoughts. My best round is 64 (competitive). The question you are asking is this "Is there a fast way to speed up the production of Myelin. Myelin is the substance that protects the axons firing in the brain. When you practice you are firing the axons. So the answer to your question IMO is this 1) You must have a model. 2) You must measure yourself against the model so you can adapt and change quickly (using video or other tools) 3) Repetition is the key once you find the pattern. So, yes I believe you can definitely speed up the process as long as you are willing to dedicate yourself to a model, measure constantly when you are building your movement and then practice. It took me about two years. Then I refined some for about a year.
Moe's single plane makes alot of sense. The modern swing is way too complicated too master. I bet if you took a hundred beginners and taught half of them single plane and the other half conventional, in six months the single planes would be far a head of the conventional.
Hi Todd I enjoyed watching Moe in his videos and thank you for carrying on his legacy. I would like to see down the line views with all clubs and with Trackman to see results. I would like to know why, if this is so good why do no pros use this swing especially the young ones? Cheers
Derek Edwards I agree. Too, maybe Todd can speak on this but videos I’ve seen of Mo hitting shots to the green produce zero spin. 100 yards in they hit and kept rolling. I’ve never seen that before and isn’t something one can rely on but wedges to greens
I wen’t through a period of being very loose on my follow through, I was very flexible and I didn’t let it bother me too much. However my best Drive I ever hit, felt like the Club was going to rip my arms off as it seemed to want to follow the Golf Ball to the target. The Green was a Par 4 Tee was set at 319 Meters up hill. It was a perfect hit sending the Ball over the Green and the tall Trees behind the Green, it may have hit the Trees but it was out of site from the Tee. What I wouldn’t give to feel that happen again. Conditions were still and warm air on the 1st Tee of Las Palmas, Grand Canaries
@@ToddGravesGolf Thank you. Such a fast response 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 customer service. I've been thinking about the hanging hands mentality and couldn't see a reason why, so I straightened my arms at address and it feels better. More to it than that I now know once I'd discovered this channel. I'd imagine you have books available but do you have dvd's also, I can learn better from seeing rather than reading?
@@styofwye Yes. Gary, I have tons of great videos on the subject. You can go here: members.singleplaneacademy.com/type/dvd/ I also have a membership site were for $27 per month you have access to all of them. Here: members.singleplaneacademy.com The Single Plane Solution is the main product that covers the entire golf swing. Inside the Single Plane Swing was one of the most detailed in-depth look at the SPS. If you need any assistance let me know. Thanks.
Sorry, but you cannot say that all the players on the PGA Tour are swinging incorrectly, there are a lot of differences in swings and everyone knows that. Moe Norman had one that worked for him and for some others, but it does NOT work for everyone.
@matt smith After a back surgery and knee surgery I picked up the SP swing 15 years ago.....At 46, I hit a 7-iron 170 and a 5-iron 195 carrying a 2.5 index.....Practice makes a difference. Age catches up to conventional swings at some point. SP, done correctly, definitely puts less stress on the body.
To be fair, golf ball and club technology are drastically different then the 70s, 80s, and 90s. A better comparison would be how far did he hit compared to Hogan, Nicklaus, Trevino.
I just thought I would remind you that Iron Bryon does not have hips or shoulders. This makes his shots one plan. If a human doesn't use their shoulders they will never get any distance.
He would love it. He and I talked about it before he died. Graves Golf also own the rights to all of Moe’s intellectual property. Nobody’s hitching here.
Your question should be, if the pga method are so good. Why is it that, the entire world playing golf have yet to make an improvement when it comes to scoring low. Don’t believe me, google it.
Moe and Todd sold "Natural Golf" for years, so when you look on "UA-cam" you see Moe working for Natural Golf (label on a lot of his shirts) on many videos. Todd was used as a model of the "Natural Golf" swing which I watched many times years ago....so for all us X "Natural Golf" swingers will Todd ever do a video explaining the difference...it is more then just the 10 finger grip.
As much as I've enjoyed learning about the single plane swing, I find Todd's instructions unwatchable. Too much talk, mostly repetitive and it takes an age to get to the actual instruction. That aside, I shot under par today using the single plane swing for the first time. 16/18 fairways (or greens) hit. If my short game had been better it would have been even better.
Lloyd. Thanks for sharing your success with a back handed criticism of my instruction which is FREE, by the way, and only trying to be helpful. Have a great day and go work on your short game.
He does not even get to the actual swing until after 13 minutes in the video. Too much adulation. Not enough demonstration. He hits the first ball at 16:30!
Too much talk, not enough instruction on most videos that I've watched. I like the single plane swing, but feel like you could spend more time demonstrating rather than so much talk.
I met Moe Norman at the Deer Creek driving range in Ajax, Ontario. He was by himself, and no one at the range recognized him. I stood and talked with him for an hour while hit balls. A very memorable evening for me.
@Todd - Excellent video. It's not easy convincing people what Moe said doesn't always translate into obvious and usable knowledge, and doing that without people thinking you're disrespecting Moe is no small endeavor. I commend you and appreciate all the hard work. I'm enjoying the journey learning the single plane swing. Range time with the camera has been a real eye opener. Really enjoyed you and Reed Howard on Christo's channel a while back. You were absolutely nailing it dead straight!
I was absolutely hammering straight drives with a single plane set up , tilt , 12 inch behind ball inside takeaway with a short backswing yesterday (7hcp) but I even was hitting it straight and hard into the wind with short takeaway tilt etc
Todd, you probably don’t get enough credit, so let me please say I honestly think you are a genius. If more people were aware of you and your teaching based on Moe, the game would have a lot more players. There is no doubt that the single plane swing is the most efficient way to strike a ball and the most repeatable. Thank you for your passion. Please, please, please keep it up!!!
Don't be so hard on yourself Todd, Moe said in one of his film interviews that no one could ever swing like him, he was self taught and that he is a one off, in which he was! I envy you in you being allowed inside Moe's circle and looking at most of the videos of Moe - you are with him! I am sure Moe himself made mistakes when he first went about his swing, would he admit that? We will never know, but one thing he did get wrong was someone was able to copy his swing and that was YOU! Thank you ever so much Todd for keeping Moe's name and golf swing alive to this day and forevermore! What we need now is a pro to win the masters with the use of Moe's swing, wouldn't that be an honor in highlighting Moe's presence here on earth
Even Ben Hogan said in his book, that you have to understand that the club is the extension of your arms. Eventhough his swing was more like the "PGA tought swing", he got it right. When you truly realize that the club is the extension of your arms, there is no oher way to hold the club like Moe Norman did. Just figured this out several weeks ago after struggling for almost 10 years.
Todd, I live in Utah bs is "memoryswing.com" and if I would have had your new explanation of Moe's swing 20 years ago I would have been so much better player/teacher. I just couldn't translate Moe's version years ago with the VCR tapes. How you "simply" explain it now, has made me a more consistent player/teacher and shoot my lowest scores ever in the low 70's and I am 57 years old. Thanks to you I enjoy the game more now than when I was in my 20's and set a Guinness World Record. Even my miss hits still have me putting for birdies. Thank you so much for a new love of the game in only a couple of months of "completely" changing to a one plane swing :)
I had the same experience. When I started using it I didn’t quite perfect it and everyone would comment that I’m standing too far away from the ball. I never in my wildest dreams thought I could break 80. Wallah! For some strange reason just to vary up my game I would go back to conventional style 🤷♂️ At the end of the day, the goal is to get the ball in the hole with the least amount of strokes!
Since practicing daily, I never practice with the driver because it's my easiest club to hit straight. Now, my hardest club to hit straight is a short iron. Wild af
Brillient, I have been playing 65 years and its far easier to start out in the position you want to be at impact than try to get there while swinging. Eric N
My honest response to this video is this . ..... find what works for you... experiment ........ work smart , have good reasons for making changes ..... notice the effect these changes have on your swing .... practice 1 swing change at a time........ and stick to it .
Good Advice David but I have been teaching for 19 years and the "find out what works for you " advice - fills my golf schools each year. The problem with that notion is that nobody can feel what they are "really" doing and the average student only notices the effect on the ball and not their swing.
OCCAM'S RAZOR: The original KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) "More things should not be used than are necessary." (Wikipedia) The fewer adjustments/variables in a solution.......the more likely it is the truest of all solutions.
A brief story: I've subscribed to Golf Digest almost 40 years now. I first heard about Moe from a Golf Channel infomercial on Natural Golf. They said Moe was the straightest ball stryker ever. I never heard of this guy who I thought was just an old has been from the past. In Dec. of that year ,1995 , GD. did a lengthy feature artical about Moe . I never read the artical and threw the issue away once I was done with it. Big mistake. Wish so much I still had that issue now for keep sake. If I knew then what I know now I would have driven up to Kitchener Ontario from Mich. to Rockway Golf club just to watch him hit balls on the range.
Graves has helped me simplify my swing and improved my accuracy. I still have my off days, but not anguishing through weeks of bad play like before. It’s weird, I’m hitting longer with a shorter back swing. The perfect strikes feel like nothing......
U have to understand the geometry and physics that how we generate angular motion within the coupling point. If u are tgm guy, work on a smaller pulley. Not position golf!
After watching hours of video. I had one of my best golf seasons trying to copy Moe's swing. Brought my 18 hole score down almost 15 strokes, 80 - 83. Then I paid for professional PGA golf lessons. I was shown on screen a current PGA pro golfer Adam Scott. I was then told that is how the game of golf is played. I figured the PGA pro knows better than me. So I practiced and went in for lessons and tweaks. Today I am a carnival attraction as the one and only human pretzel man. Coming to your town this fall.
I just set up and turn from the bottom with rear leg planted into the ground and continue doing this till I can't go any further - nothing to do other than correct grip and set up / keeping the tilt at 15% all the way through till you have hit the ball then through and back up. All from the bottom using your legs - a body turn both ways!!! Moe always has said I never change my hand position nor do I the body does everything the rest is automatic. Is easy. The short game is the same taking the club up for different heights. Moe played by heights.
Very nice video...to a bunch of us Moe was an enigma.....but a true lover of golf. I have GREAT luck with this swing when I use almost exclusively my left (lead) hand and arm. Really a documented, tested swing system well worth the time and effort.
I purchased your tapes and book on mos swing. I try and get in those positions and begin to wonder if its the correct position and i find myself going back the old way. I think it is mostly looking for a quick fix. I have tried changing my swing from information overload on the web and i am hitting the ball worse than ever. I may just have to come to one of your classes in oklahoma.
i love the lessons. i just think the method is destroying my knees. so i tend to lift my back foot too early. i must be doing something wrong. but i must say moes method is perfect for hitting the ball straight.
I def don't think it's a fair statement to put a picture up there of Rory and then say the two plane swing is flawed? Might be better to just say there may be a more efficient way if you are willing to try it.
Hey man I've been looking for a single playing golf coach around South Georgia. Do y'all have anyone or do you know of anyone you trust that can help me? I'm not good with computers so I'm not interested in online lessons.
You had my attention the minute I saw your bag and the OU head over. You instructions were clear and precise and makes prefect sense. I am left handed, playing right handed. I struggle with alignment to the point of pure frustration, but I love this game so much I will never give it up. To further that statement, I was invited all comp to go to two different Pro tournaments and I told both people, if I had time to watch, I had time to play. I am now 73 and still have the same philosophy. Good luck and keep showing those guys the right swing. Served 65-68 US ARMY 82 ABN / VM 1968
I'm curious... why mention your army service? Does it have anything to do with golf, or is it fishing for a "thank you for your service"? (I'm from Australia, we don't do that here)
Ok I miss said one length irons he must of used longer mid irons to do this swing move also longer thicker grips to minimise wrists move life line grip in right hand Moe Norman spoke of this many times angle and distance from ball near impossible to do with standard irons prove me wrong please thanks Todd
I love the idea of learning this swing model because Mo was just awesome, however until I can see some other types of shots being played apart from full mid iron shots and Drivers swings I am struggling to see how I can work this swing in to my complete game. Can you please add some short game content and bunker swings etc... Thank you Todd
Todd Graves is the real deal - his passion for teaching Moe’s Swing is tremendous. He, his brother Tim and the entire group at GGA are exceptional at supporting my journey to learning the SP System - high quality products and terrific instruction. The Golf School was superb and I’m hitting the ball so much better. There is no instant pudding - you have to put in the ‘practice with a purpose’ but it works!
Thanks, Todd!
I can recall purchasing a four day pass to watch the Canadian Open being played in Hamilton, Ontario, years ago. On my way to round one, I heard that there was a free clinic at a driving range about 2miles from the site of the open, being given by Moe Norman. I decided to stop and watch him hit golf balls. I cannot tell you who won the tourney, or if I even saw any golf at the Open, but I can tell you that for four days I saw Moe Norman hitting golf balls. It was so strange that every so often, the Open would call the driving range to remind the pros that they had to leave the driving range to tee off at the Open. They were as enthralled with him as I was.
The is the first time I’ve had someone explain the setup positions and why they are creating a single plain swing. Nicely done. I went out and hit 250 balls mostly paying attention to the hand shaft relationship at setup. And had a great ball striking session. Not sure I’d copy all his positions but that hand shaft relationship was a good start.
Golf is all about one thing, and one thing only - consistency. I started the SPS last year, and my consistency shot through the roof! I restricted myself to just my tee shots, and my shots were not necessarily long, but nice and straight with a little fade at the end. This year I will incorporate the SPS to my iron shots, and hopefully the same consistence that I have with my tee shots will be in my approach shots. I'm very pleased with the results I'm getting with the SPS, and I look forward to continuing my single plane journey.
I want thank you Todd for sps it save my golf game. 40 years of conventional swing and was ready to give up golf, but love golf so much. Keep up the wonderful work your team are doing for golfers
I'm an 18 handicapper with the ability to hit it long off the tee, but with no consistency. Right, left, you name it. It ruins my game. With this mind, I spend some time studying Todd's videos and today I tried it out. I went straight into a practice round with no range time and probably did five single plan swings off the tee. Each time they got better and straighter and I ultimately hit my last one really pure and dead straight. Followed it up with a nice, flush 3 wood. It felt really good off the club - a different sensation from other good shots I played. For me, it was important to give myself some forward momentum through the ball. I love the fact that this is a formula. Can't wait to get out there and try it again. Thanks Todd!
3 years later do you still do the single plane swing?
@@treymclaughlin2804 No, I've tried to perfect the Hogan swing..watching and trying to copy how the tour pros do it. Too many variables in that though. Reckon Moe's simplified approach makes more sense now looking back.
@@nicksellens272 yeah it seems theirs no one size fits all in golf you really have to find what works for you just how moe did.
Excellent explanation. It amazes me that many are more concerned how they perceive the swing looks than they are the results of the swing.
Great video Todd. I just became a gold member and I love all the content. You and your staff do a great job of really simplifying the golf swing. It may look unconventional but once you start hitting pure shots with this swing there it's no going back.
Great to have you as an SPA member! It looked unconventional to me but now all "conventional" swings look unconventional.
@@ToddGravesGolf I was ready to quit golf 6 months ago. Luckily I found your videos and have renewed my interest. I have heard of this a few years ago, I believe it was called Natural Golf, but it wasn't presented as well as you are doing. I have ordered your system and I believe it will get me back on track. Thank you for your help
Started first with Moe's grip, and have seen a lot change in my game. Will try the stance too.
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Very interesting and thought provoking video. I have always struggled with the two part swing. Angles, timing, positions, on and on. Always up for trying something new and this is logical and makes sense. Moe’s legacy is alive and well. Thanks for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome video, Mr Norman was a fantastic ball striker, great to see someone teaching his legacy
Thank you!
He hit 1000's of balls getting his swing to where he wanted then perfected his moves through a lot of trial and error. He didn't have a model to look at. What's being done by Todd is he's giving you the model without all the trials and tribulations that Moe went through. Moe basically re-invented the wheel to this way of swinging the club. Why tinker when most or I'd say a majority of golfers tinkering with their swing have no idea what exactly they're doing? It's like anything out in the real world, if it works consistently and is efficient then why try to re-invent the process? Is this swing for everyone? YES!! If you're willing to have an open mind and do the drills and compare yourself to the model.
All that time that Mo was hitting golf balls he was figuring out one thing...
He felt the best and most simple and efficient physical positions of the body to strike a golf ball perfectly. The two plane swing is practically impossible. Definitely not as repeatable as the Moe Norman swing. That's because most swing takes out all of those impossible variables. He knew the best way to strike the golf ball because he could feel it due to his physical positions. His results speak for themselves. Long and straight down the middle of the Fairway. Miss you Mr Norman!
Thanks Todd! I’m discovering this a little bit late but it’s very exciting nonetheless!
After thinking about what Moe first told me 38 years ago here in Canada, you are the teacher who has the clarified what I've been wondering about for 4 decades. Great job Todd!
I've hit quite a few shots since committing to this style you teach. There seems to be a sweet spot where it feels right and gives great results. My idea is to get to the point where I get that feeling and those results more often.
Looking at Moe’s swing from the standpoint of the F = 1/2(Mass x Velocity^2) striking force how it different from convention was setting up at address with maxed out ulnar deviation in both wrists, getting maxed out radial deviation in the downswing then releasing it fully back to maxed out ulnar deviation again which whips the club head mass around the dropped hands in a way that exponentially increases striking force and ball compression. He gripped the club in a way that it allowed the wrists to hinge into radial deviation (lag) but only release the lag back to the way he aligned face square to where he wanted the ball to release off the face to target. His grip abruptly stopped the whipping action of the club just long enough to trigger the explosive release of the compressed ball off the face-why his shots sounded distinctly different than those with the conventional sweeping lagging swing-with it difficult to see because it happens so fast and raising the back foot keeps the body and club head moving . Two other golfers whose swing I studied used a similar technique to release the ball off face straight to target: Harry Frankenberg (Count Yogi) and Ben Hogan.
These videos are great. I like that you use the word "biomechanics" because if you use the physics and eliminate the most possibilities for error, it's clear that you'll improve your rate of contact. There is no other choice.
I thought Moe emphasized the business zone of the swing. The only thing that really matters is the 2 -3 feet before contact and after contact. That is why not everyone uses the Moe swing. Other people find it easier to get high velocity and in the correct slot in a different manner. Todd is saying there is only one "easiest way". He may be correct, not sure.
There are many ways to get a job done (speed and impact) but biophysically, there are also easier ways. This is what I am referencing. Less body movement, Less stress, less shaft lift, Less rotation to get the same job done. Consistency is a factor too.
I just commented on an earlier video of learning about 'Natural Golf' back in the 90"s.
I hear the emotion and passion you have here.
What does the term "natural golf" mean and why isn't it natural now?
Todd
I joined the academy a year ago and after trying, i abandoned this summer. After studying your videos for a second time and having inconsistent results going back to conventional, I literally had an epiphany and everything clicked and made sense. I’m still a work in progress but this swing has totally transformed my game and outlook. My drives and iron shots are flying long and straight when struck well. I was wondering when the next golf school is going to be held and do you recommend any personal launch monitor over another? I’m looking into a garmin r10
Still lots to learn but I am finally enjoying the game! Thank you for showing this remarkable approach to ball striking.
Glad you enjoy it!
Genius! Moe and you both!😃
great video. i tried the Moe Norman's swing and have noticed more of my Drives going straighter then usual. i planning to master it.
Thanks Moe...
Great!
DeChambeau and Steve Stricker are two well known PGA pros with single plane swings; however, neither of those fit the Moe Norman model.
Except for the bend in her knees, long drive champ Sandra Carlborg's single plane setup looks the closest to Moe's. And just like Sandra, Moe could hit it over 300 yards.
Besides giving you the best shot at becoming a good, consistent, ball striker, the other major advantage of Moe's swing, which Todd surprisingly doesn't even mention, is superior ergonomics. Unlike so many pros with conventional swings (including some of the young guys), Moe never had an issue with his back or knees. No surgeries. Swing correctly and you should be able to play as long as you like without ever hurting yourself. (If you are seriously interested in getting it right, become a Gold member and send in videos.)
Good Points.
Totally awesome video. Thank you!
Moe Norman the best swing in golf.
I believe you are right,but 30 years swinging one way is very hard to change,it’s starting to happen more good shots than bad at this time
Your trying to take timing out of it, n just using pure Bio mechanics on a single lever/ single plain swing👍👍👍. I wish you lived in Perth Western Australia. No instructors like you here😭😭😭. I want to learn hybrid swing Mo Norman and is it forgive me I forgot the name. Jimmy Seventos🤔🤔🤔🙏🙏🙏. Looks like perfect swing for me and I can tell by looking it would feel more natural compared to conventional swing techniques. I have a fused wrist on my right hand my dominant hand. So I must learn single plain swing any way👍👍👍. But now I’m gonna fully extend arms to take any movement in or out from body and get that robot arm going 🤔🤔🤔😭😭😭👍👍👍. Cheers M8
I would copy Moe's swing but it seems to already be my swing. I'm 68 so I have been swinging for awhile always with the same smooth swing. I have never tried to change my basic swing. I have shortened my backswing with age but not that much.
Thanks again Todd....hitting fairways sure is fun :-)
Have experimented with this swing in the past but have now fully committed to the change.Good results so far but still a work in progress. "Being good when I am bad" is certainly better. I'm sure you've answered this in other videos but what are your thoughts on Single Length Irons and shorter drivers/hybrids?
I think that there is little advantage to it for most players. Maybe if a company can figure out a 4 length set - but so far I don’t see a major advantage / fix your swing first is always my opinion.
I notice that Moe's feet are further apart than yours using irons. Is this an improvement on your part to
get more compression?
very interesting concept. Since you are standing farther from the ball, do the clubs need to be adjusted to a flatter lie angle?
Rick Joseph yes
I watched a video that was taken when Moe was 72 yr old. He was showing a difference in his swing that he got from Manual de la Torrid. He said his hands were softer and the swing was circular. Can you comment on this.
Moe did not get his swing from Manual de La Torre.
Thanks for the video. I have a couple of questions.If you start with hands low, is it possible to return to impact on the same plane, and if not - why? Also, does swinging a weighted club help as an exercise?
Yes. Why would you add the variable
Of low hands?
How many hours do you think it takes to reach master level is it 10 000 as some say. You said Moe figured it out between the ages of 14 and 19 hitting hundreds of thousands of balls.
It takes perseverance and dedication like all disciplines. Do you think there Is a fast track method knowing what you know now about Moe's swing.
How about yourself, have you shot in the 50's ? How long did it take you before you knew that you had the feeling of greatness.
Watching you hit balls in all those videos if looks like perfection or as close as humanly possible.
Great videos by the way .
Good question and good thoughts. My best round is 64 (competitive). The question you are asking is this "Is there a fast way to speed up the production of Myelin. Myelin is the substance that protects the axons firing in the brain. When you practice you are firing the axons. So the answer to your question IMO is this 1) You must have a model. 2) You must measure yourself against the model so you can adapt and change quickly (using video or other tools) 3) Repetition is the key once you find the pattern. So, yes I believe you can definitely speed up the process as long as you are willing to dedicate yourself to a model, measure constantly when you are building your movement and then practice.
It took me about two years. Then I refined some for about a year.
Definitely going to work on this, thanks!
Moe's single plane makes alot of sense. The modern swing is way too complicated too master. I bet if you took a hundred beginners and taught half of them single plane and the other half conventional, in six months the single planes would be far a head of the conventional.
No doubt.
I agree and the section of the video talking about the swing-bots, showing how they use the single plane concept... How can it not make sense?
They would be the ones making center face contact.💪👍
What about irons? Is it the same concept for irons, because when I do that I thin it more often
Same. You must adjust stance width and ball position.
the first ball he hits looks like a straight pull, is it an optical illusion?
Looked a little left, but didnt look like a pull.
Hi Todd I enjoyed watching Moe in his videos and thank you for carrying on his legacy. I would like to see down the line views with all clubs and with Trackman to see results. I would like to know why, if this is so good why do no pros use this swing especially the young ones? Cheers
Derek Edwards I agree. Too, maybe Todd can speak on this but videos I’ve seen of Mo hitting shots to the green produce zero spin. 100 yards in they hit and kept rolling. I’ve never seen that before and isn’t something one can rely on but wedges to greens
I wen’t through a period of being very loose on my follow through, I was very flexible and I didn’t let it bother me too much. However my best Drive I ever hit, felt like the Club was going to rip my arms off as it seemed to want to follow the Golf Ball to the target. The Green was a Par 4 Tee was set at 319 Meters up hill. It was a perfect hit sending the Ball over the Green and the tall Trees behind the Green, it may have hit the Trees but it was out of site from the Tee. What I wouldn’t give to feel that happen again. Conditions were still and warm air on the 1st Tee of Las Palmas, Grand Canaries
Is the tilt at address with an iron the same as you demonstrated with a driver? Good stuff 👍
Yes but narrower stance with irons
@@ToddGravesGolf Thank you. Such a fast response 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 customer service. I've been thinking about the hanging hands mentality and couldn't see a reason why, so I straightened my arms at address and it feels better. More to it than that I now know once I'd discovered this channel. I'd imagine you have books available but do you have dvd's also, I can learn better from seeing rather than reading?
@@styofwye Yes. Gary, I have tons of great videos on the subject. You can go here: members.singleplaneacademy.com/type/dvd/
I also have a membership site were for $27 per month you have access to all of them. Here:
members.singleplaneacademy.com
The Single Plane Solution is the main product that covers the entire golf swing. Inside the Single Plane Swing was one of the most detailed in-depth look at the SPS.
If you need any assistance let me know. Thanks.
What grip do you use or does it matter baseball overlap or inter lock
Overlap. Never baseball.
Thank you, Todd. That was the driver swing. Any difference for the irons?
Just a different plane since the club was shorter (and on a different plane).
@@ToddGravesGolf thank you
Sorry, but you cannot say that all the players on the PGA Tour are swinging incorrectly, there are a lot of differences in swings and everyone knows that. Moe Norman had one that worked for him and for some others, but it does NOT work for everyone.
Ok Tim. Cheers.
Just curious how far Moe Norman hit an average 7-iron and 5-iron since most of his shots flew straight. Pro's today are hitting a 7-iron 170 yards.
no answer, hmm.
@matt smith After a back surgery and knee surgery I picked up the SP swing 15 years ago.....At 46, I hit a 7-iron 170 and a 5-iron 195 carrying a 2.5 index.....Practice makes a difference. Age catches up to conventional swings at some point. SP, done correctly, definitely puts less stress on the body.
To be fair, golf ball and club technology are drastically different then the 70s, 80s, and 90s. A better comparison would be how far did he hit compared to Hogan, Nicklaus, Trevino.
Good explanation of some basics. Audio was bad the last 5 minutes.
1 day school would be nice but way out of my price range.
I need to preset impact zone, cause naturally I’m lazy with my hips and sway back on ball🤔🤔🤔😱😱😱😭😭😭
I just thought I would remind you that Iron Bryon does not have hips or shoulders. This makes his shots one plan. If a human doesn't use their shoulders they will never get any distance.
What?
Why is it that everybody with a Moe Norman video talks for 45 minutes without saying anything useful?
Because golfers who watch instruction on UA-cam are deciding what is and isn’t useful.
Wonder what Moe would think of you “hitching your trailer” to his swing and trying to profit off it?
He would love it. He and I talked about it before he died. Graves Golf also own the rights to all of Moe’s intellectual property. Nobody’s hitching here.
If the single plane swing is so good why don't all the pros use it ?
Your question should be, if the pga method are so good. Why is it that, the entire world playing golf have yet to make an improvement when it comes to scoring low. Don’t believe me, google it.
skip to 12:50
Moe and Todd sold "Natural Golf" for years, so when you look on "UA-cam" you see Moe working for Natural Golf (label on a lot of his shirts) on many videos. Todd was used as a model of the "Natural Golf" swing which I watched many times years ago....so for all us X "Natural Golf" swingers will Todd ever do a video explaining the difference...it is more then just the 10 finger grip.
Great Idea. Will do.
Can you bring your schools to UK please
I'd love to.
@@ToddGravesGolf hope this can become reality Todd would love to attend one in the UK
Wish I can explain so much in my video. #meonorman2k
Marty
The MO-NO.....SWING.Not srereo......but MONO!
As much as I've enjoyed learning about the single plane swing, I find Todd's instructions unwatchable. Too much talk, mostly repetitive and it takes an age to get to the actual instruction. That aside, I shot under par today using the single plane swing for the first time. 16/18 fairways (or greens) hit. If my short game had been better it would have been even better.
Lloyd. Thanks for sharing your success with a back handed criticism of my instruction which is FREE, by the way, and only trying to be helpful. Have a great day and go work on your short game.
17 minutes of video to give 15 seconds of a tip ?
It was free wasn't it?
He does not even get to the actual swing until after 13 minutes in the video. Too much adulation. Not enough demonstration. He hits the first ball at 16:30!
Too much talk, not enough instruction on most videos that I've watched. I like the single plane swing, but feel like you could spend more time demonstrating rather than so much talk.
Dwain. I have hundreds of videos demonstrating. Check this one here: ua-cam.com/video/2q_ylNATMq0/v-deo.html
Excellent video
I met Moe Norman at the Deer Creek driving range in Ajax, Ontario. He was by himself, and no one at the range recognized him. I stood and talked with him for an hour while hit balls. A very memorable evening for me.
Nice memory.
That’s my range lol
@@oofoof6762 mine as well 😄
@@ToddGravesGolf i started too late to know and meet him, what a shame. But wondering how far he'd hit with a driver ?
To be able to copy a swing that is bio mechanically perfect and produces consistent results is remarkable.
To invent that swing is genius!
@Todd - Excellent video. It's not easy convincing people what Moe said doesn't always translate into obvious and usable knowledge, and doing that without people thinking you're disrespecting Moe is no small endeavor. I commend you and appreciate all the hard work. I'm enjoying the journey learning the single plane swing. Range time with the camera has been a real eye opener. Really enjoyed you and Reed Howard on Christo's channel a while back. You were absolutely nailing it dead straight!
Christo is great. It was fund spending the afternoon with him.
After all these years I still love your passion for all things Moe .
I was absolutely hammering straight drives with a single plane set up , tilt , 12 inch behind ball inside takeaway with a short backswing yesterday (7hcp) but I even was hitting it straight and hard into the wind with short takeaway tilt etc
Todd, you probably don’t get enough credit, so let me please say I honestly think you are a genius. If more people were aware of you and your teaching based on Moe, the game would have a lot more players. There is no doubt that the single plane swing is the most efficient way to strike a ball and the most repeatable. Thank you for your passion. Please, please, please keep it up!!!
Have you watched Dechambeau lately?
Don't be so hard on yourself Todd, Moe said in one of his film interviews that no one could ever swing like him, he was self taught and that he is a one off, in which he was! I envy you in you being allowed inside Moe's circle and looking at most of the videos of Moe - you are with him! I am sure Moe himself made mistakes when he first went about his swing, would he admit that? We will never know, but one thing he did get wrong was someone was able to copy his swing and that was YOU! Thank you ever so much Todd for keeping Moe's name and golf swing alive to this day and forevermore! What we need now is a pro to win the masters with the use of Moe's swing, wouldn't that be an honor in highlighting Moe's presence here on earth
Moe never hit his tee
Carl did you play golf with Moe? I did and he hit the tee many times.
Even Ben Hogan said in his book, that you have to understand that the club is the extension of your arms. Eventhough his swing was more like the "PGA tought swing", he got it right.
When you truly realize that the club is the extension of your arms, there is no oher way to hold the club like Moe Norman did.
Just figured this out several weeks ago after struggling for almost 10 years.
Great video
Todd, could you do a fairway sand trap swing video ? Thanks.
Todd, I live in Utah bs is "memoryswing.com" and if I would have had your new explanation of Moe's swing 20 years ago
I would have been so much better player/teacher. I just couldn't translate Moe's version years ago with the VCR tapes. How you "simply" explain it now, has made me a more consistent player/teacher and shoot my lowest scores ever in the low 70's and I am 57 years old. Thanks to you I enjoy the game more now than when I was in my 20's and set a Guinness World Record. Even my miss hits still have me putting for birdies. Thank you so much for a new love of the game in only a couple of months of "completely" changing to a one plane swing :)
I had the same experience. When I started using it I didn’t quite perfect it and everyone would comment that I’m standing too far away from the ball. I never in my wildest dreams thought I could break 80. Wallah! For some strange reason just to vary up my game I would go back to conventional style 🤷♂️ At the end of the day, the goal is to get the ball in the hole with the least amount of strokes!
Since practicing daily, I never practice with the driver because it's my easiest club to hit straight. Now, my hardest club to hit straight is a short iron. Wild af
Brillient, I have been playing 65 years and its far easier to start out in the position you want to be at impact than try to get there while swinging. Eric N
My honest response to this video is this . ..... find what works for you... experiment ........ work smart , have good reasons for making changes ..... notice the effect these changes have on your swing .... practice 1 swing change at a time........ and stick to it .
Good Advice David but I have been teaching for 19 years and the "find out what works for you " advice - fills my golf schools each year. The problem with that notion is that nobody can feel what they are "really" doing and the average student only notices the effect on the ball and not their swing.
OCCAM'S RAZOR: The original KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) "More things should not be used than are necessary." (Wikipedia) The fewer adjustments/variables in a solution.......the more likely it is the truest of all solutions.
how come nobody in pro golf replicates this swing? There is way too much money out there for this not to have happened in the last 20 years.
A brief story:
I've subscribed to Golf Digest
almost 40 years now. I first heard about Moe from a Golf Channel infomercial on Natural Golf. They said Moe was the straightest ball stryker ever. I never heard of this guy who I thought was just an old has been from the past. In Dec. of that year ,1995 , GD. did a lengthy feature artical about Moe . I never read the artical and threw the issue away once I was done with it. Big mistake. Wish so much I still had that issue now for keep sake. If I knew then what I know now I would have driven up to Kitchener Ontario from Mich. to Rockway Golf club just to watch him hit balls on the range.
Graves has helped me simplify my swing and improved my accuracy. I still have my off days, but not anguishing through weeks of bad play like before. It’s weird, I’m hitting longer with a shorter back swing. The perfect strikes feel like nothing......
U have to understand the geometry and physics that how we generate angular motion within the coupling point. If u are tgm guy, work on a smaller pulley. Not position golf!
After watching hours of video. I had one of my best golf seasons trying to copy Moe's swing. Brought my 18 hole score down almost 15 strokes, 80 - 83. Then I paid for professional PGA golf lessons. I was shown on screen a current PGA pro golfer Adam Scott. I was then told that is how the game of golf is played. I figured the PGA pro knows better than me. So I practiced and went in for lessons and tweaks. Today I am a carnival attraction as the one and only human pretzel man. Coming to your town this fall.
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I just set up and turn from the bottom with rear leg planted into the ground and continue doing this till I can't go any further - nothing to do other than correct grip and set up / keeping the tilt at 15% all the way through till you have hit the ball then through and back up. All from the bottom using your legs - a body turn both ways!!! Moe always has said I never change my hand position nor do I the body does everything the rest is automatic. Is easy. The short game is the same taking the club up for different heights. Moe played by heights.
Very nice video...to a bunch of us Moe was an enigma.....but a true lover of golf. I have GREAT luck with this swing when I use almost exclusively my left (lead) hand and arm. Really a documented, tested swing system well worth the time and effort.
I purchased your tapes and book on mos swing. I try and get in those positions and begin to wonder if its the correct position and i find myself going back the old way. I think it is mostly looking for a quick fix. I have tried changing my swing from information overload on the web and i am hitting the ball worse than ever. I may just have to come to one of your classes in oklahoma.
i love the lessons. i just think the method is destroying my knees. so i tend to lift my back foot too early. i must be doing something wrong. but i must say moes method is perfect for hitting the ball straight.
I def don't think it's a fair statement to put a picture up there of Rory and then say the two plane swing is flawed? Might be better to just say there may be a more efficient way if you are willing to try it.
Hey man I've been looking for a single playing golf coach around South Georgia. Do y'all have anyone or do you know of anyone you trust that can help me? I'm not good with computers so I'm not interested in online lessons.
Great stuff Todd! You’ve inspired me to study the single plane swing. I bought your book today and plan on learning this over the Winter.
Hi Brian. Let me know if you need help. We have a great online academy. Email me at toddg@gravesgolf.com if you need some help.
Ok at 5 mins the flash ran by.. was that moe?
How does the setup differ from Driver to Irons
You had my attention the minute I saw your bag and the OU head over. You instructions were clear and precise and makes prefect sense. I am left handed, playing right handed. I struggle with alignment to the point of pure frustration, but I love this game so much I will never give it up. To further that statement, I was invited all comp to go to two different Pro tournaments and I told both people, if I had time to watch, I had time to play. I am now 73 and still have the same philosophy. Good luck and keep showing those guys the right swing. Served 65-68 US ARMY 82 ABN / VM 1968
Go Sooners! Let me know if I can help with anything. Thank you for your service.
I'm curious... why mention your army service? Does it have anything to do with golf, or is it fishing for a "thank you for your service"? (I'm from Australia, we don't do that here)
Ok I miss said one length irons he must of used longer mid irons to do this swing move also longer thicker grips to minimise wrists move life line grip in right hand Moe Norman spoke of this many times angle and distance from ball near impossible to do with standard irons prove me wrong please thanks Todd
I love the idea of learning this swing model because Mo was just awesome, however until I can see some other types of shots being played apart from full mid iron shots and Drivers swings I am struggling to see how I can work this swing in to my complete game.
Can you please add some short game content and bunker swings etc...
Thank you Todd
Good idea. Will do. Thanks.