Answer: Nothing, she had a great character Arc, where she learned self love after fighting for others her whole life and not getting to choose for herself.
You know what's wrong w her character is that she loved too deeply and cares too much for everyone she loves and for that reason its so frustrating for me😭 I don't know if I can handle it like how Vi handle it well. She's so strong, loving and caring and that's tough😢
I think Vi biggest growth come from learning to 1. Stop doing everything herself 2. entrust in others and accepting help. It is not impressive but it is extremely hard to accomplish.
The only thing that angers me about Vi is how severely people misunderstand and misinterpret her because they watch the show with their eyes closed. Most infuriating is the part where some people literally have their nose right on the point but they refuse to get it. Prime example: Vi lacks actual agency in S2. Yes! She does! Thank you, Sherlock! You found the clues. Now you just need to piece them together. Ya'll wanna know why Vi lacks agency in S2? And that's not even me reading into it and coming up with a theory. It's literally right there on screen. We literally get a scene where Vi point blank tells us why her character arc is way more passive than in S1. Her lacking agency is _part_ of her arc. She's tired of her own BS. That's part of her development in S2. She wraps it all up for us in S2E8: "I choose wrong every time and because of it I've lost everyone." That's not new. That's _not_ a new realization to her that she comes to in that moment. This sentence is the core of her arc progression throughout the entirety of S2 from the very beginning. Vi is more passive towards Cait in S2A1 and goes along with her choices because when the roles were reversed, when Vi was the one taking charge in S1 and pushing Caitlyn towards a decision, the immediate result of that decision was Cait's mother and half the council getting killed. Vi is more passive towards Jinx in S2A2 because every. single. time. Vi actively made a choice concerning Jinx in S1 and S2A1, the Jinx situation _consistently_ worsened. Vi _has_ to have her gauntlet removed by Jinx in the finale because she would've died otherwise. She didn't let go, because that is consistently through both seasons her greatest strength as well as her most crippling flaw. Vi doesn't let go. She doesn't know how to. She knows how to sabotage herself into thinking she has when there's something at risk that she wants to protect, but in the end her emotions always win out. It's this trait of hers that saves her relationship with Cait as well as Jinx's life, and it is that exact same trait that almost gets her killed multiple times. Jinx _had_ to be the one to let go first and drag her sister into just accepting the consequences because Jinx was the only one capable of making that decision in the first place. She was the one who decided to break the cycle, not Vi. Vi wasn't there yet. Like it's literally all right there. It is all. right. there. On screen. Staring people directly in the face. All they need to do is remember how to play connect the dots. And yet it's what, maybe a fifth of the viewers who actually get it? Same applies to Cait's story, Viktor's story, Jayce's story etc. People have so many gripes with some of the big arcs in Arcane and the moment they go into what they believe is "missing" or was "rushed" I just end up sitting there, asking myself if they actually watched the show. Maybe the showrunners should've made the episodes split screens with Subway Surfers gameplay in the lower one so folks manage to actually focus for more than 5 seconds istg.
I honestly don't get why people are hating on her, I was invested in her character arc all throughout season two and she is for sure my favorite character. I was surprised when I went online after the season to see some people not liking her character
I actually don’t like her either before I started these videos and shorts analyzing her character 🥲 …oops I didn’t know this video would turn out to be like this honestly. It’s uncanny 😂
I love Vi's character. But her character arc was done reeeeal dirty this season. Another symptom of how rushed this season was, because I have no doubt if this show had three seasons and more room for the writers to breathe, I guarantee there wouldn't be as many people hating on Vi as there are now
I love VI. She’s one of my favorite characters in the series. She truly has a good heart and a noble soul because, despite all the trauma she has endured, she has managed to preserve the goodness within her. That alone is enough to love and appreciate this character. What makes her story feel incomplete to me are precisely the points you mentioned. Of course, she doesn’t need to be a hero. I see the biggest obstacle to VI’s character development as her inability to make decisions for herself. Instead, those decisions are often made for her by either Jinx or Cait. VI keeps oscillating between the two. For example, when Cait offered VI to join the Enforcers, I would have preferred if VI chose to search for her sister on her own. While wearing that badge, it was so obvious that VI was unhappy, yet she couldn’t make the decision to leave. In their breakup, I wanted to see VI let go of both Cait and Jinx and choose to exist independently as her own person, forging her own path. Instead, we see a character with suicidal tendencies. When VI doesn’t have someone she considers "family" in her life, she seems to enter a self-destructive cycle, only to be saved by Jinx. After being abandoned by Jinx in the prison cell, VI mentally reverts to her pitfighter era, but this time it’s Cait who saves her emotionally. To me, this isn’t character growth. It feels like she’s trapped in the same cycle and can’t break free without external intervention. On top of all this, the fact that she doesn’t directly contribute to the main storyline adds to the perception that the character is, unfortunately, seen as useless by many people. This is truly sad. These details aren’t something most people notice on their first watch. We should have seen a more explicit development. In the final scene, we see that VI cannot let go of Vander. Jinx is forced to make that decision on her behalf, even at the cost of sacrificing her own life. I don’t blame VI for this, but I don’t think we can talk about character development or VI breaking her own cycle here. In the future, if Cait were to leave her, VI might again spiral into suicidal tendencies, or if she finds out that Jinx is alive, she might resume her quest for her sister. This is because her character development doesn’t feel complete. I love VI so much that I want her to be able to exist independently and, ultimately, sometimes just choose herself. A happy ending is great for her, but for the reasons I’ve outlined, it still feels incomplete.
You spoke for all the vi fans, honestly. However, one thing I might want to add is that even the things she did (the decisions that were made for her by either Jinx or Cait. Like when to listen to whom) were all driven by her guilt.
@@sksikha7732 You're right. As I said, I'm not judging the choices she made. In fact, this is precisely the area where I wanted to see some development. For example, what would Vi do if she found out Jinx was alive? Personally, I see the possibility of her succumbing to guilt again and going after Jinx. The missing development lies exactly here. Unlike Vi, Cait wouldn't go after Jinx even if she knew 100% that Jinx was alive, because Cait's character arc feels complete at this point. Maybe Vi has truly overcome her guilt, especially since Caitlyn asked her, "Are you still on this fight?" and Vi's response appears to indicate that she has overcome her sense of guilt. But I wish we could see this in her actions. As I said, the show moves so fast that these things are hard to grasp in one go. To understand what's going on, you have to be genuinely interested in the characters and put effort into thinking and analyzing it. It shouldn't have been this complicated. While Caitlyn's development is shown entirely through actions, leaving no need for words, Vi's development feels the opposite-compressed entirely into dialogue. Also, should we trust everything Vi says? I have my doubts about that as well-like how she became an Enforcer after saying she couldn't wear the badge. That's why I would have preferred actions over words.
You’re so right about her, I hate it. Why does she need to be treated like a rolling dice every single second of her scenes in Arcane. I just wanted to see her genuinely happy for once and ever after.😭
Honestly I'm on a hunt to find out what people are thinking of Vi. In my opinion one of the most misunderstood character in the series yet most interesting to look at. We always want a hero, a savior, a leader, an example like sunshine well she is neither of those, never meant to be because she is not a selfish person, to be all of these at some point you need to put yourself first. She is kinda person very hard to have in your life, she is loving and all about giving, never thought about what she should deserve. You know everyone have gone through traumas in the series, they changed, mostly bad way, become a evil version of themselves. A lot of people said Vi should not hit Powder in the first place, I personally don't think that would be the normal reaction though. She was 16/17 when dumped into stillwater, she never had a talk about those tortures she been through, she never talk about how Vander's death effected her, she buried all those feelings. All those years she had no one but fading faces from past. She became her own parent, while good or bad everyone in the series had a parental figure, Jinx had silco, Cait had her parents, Jayce had his mom. She gave everyone a warm n tight hug, wiped their tears but there was no one to do the same for her. People like her not meant be liked probably, she not gonna tell you she is a good person herself. and Arcane did a great job maintaining that narrative, but audience somewhere failed to see that. And the moment she made a choice for herself, instead running for jinx she finally stopped, now she is the bad sister, a selfish person. Caitlyn fall in love with Vi not because she is hot, not because she trusted her, because she saw the pain in her eyes disguised with tease n humor, she saw a fighter with bigger heart. If you put in this way in AU and in the reality there love bring the city together in a messy way but they did break the cycle. Another video of yours, you mentioned that Vi called Cait 'cupcake' to avoid true feelings, and I agree. Just for a sec think this way Vi neither belong to Piltover nor to Zaun right now. I personally don't think she is in a healthy mental stage, Cait knew that very well, that expression says it all. But at least Cait can protect her being the only person left in her life. I wish one day I'll find someone like Vi, I will be the luckiest person alive to be loved that much.
Vi sings the same tune he made Powder sing in season one. She had made you sing that melody to protect her and give her strength while they searched for their parents. Then both are picked up by Vander who will raise and protect them. in the present moment Vi sings that same melody to signify that now she is the one who is afraid and needs protection. the only one who can protect her is Cait who can give her greater security and love than Vander. and it has already been confirmed that we will see CaitVi again in some spin-off. and who knows how they will have made Vi evolve
I think people dont like the characters that's kind hearted. They think these characters are boring. They want to see someone crazy and criminals like jinx, silco. You can see the amount of people liking Silco more than Vander. If Vi became the bad guys and teamed up with Zaun and did something cruel, people would pay attention to her more. But she followed how Vander told her (you've got a good heart), these words careved into her brain, she couldnt change to be a bad person.
No. Vi's character arc was a little inconsistent and rushed. Vi spends the whole first season trying to rescue her sister.....then she flips on her, after Jinx shot down Silco to save her life. There are character beats missing in her arc
@chrishaven1489 her "flipping on Jinx" is not inconsistent tho. Everything Vi did in s1 was made with the intention to be with her sister, she did everything she could but Jinx rejected her and caused harm to people who shouldn't be involved in their drama. Jinx was the cause of a LOT of Vi's traumas and troubles and even if Vi had some moments where she wanted to hurt Jinx for it, she still loved her and would never be able to "finish" her. Vi's essentially a character that have too much love to give and that's it, all she wants is to be able to love in peace. And all that she needed (and she didn't think she deserved it) was someone to give her some love back. I really don't know what people expected her arc to be like, she's not a revolutionary character, everything she does is always for the people she loves, not for herself or strangers. If there's 1 thing I have to complain about her arc is that she doesn't really had the time to reflect on some of her acts (becoming an enforcer i.e) and yet that it is still quickly brushed over her saying that she chooses wrong everytime.
Maybe its capitalist darwinism. You have to be a shark and only sharks survive, so only mean people have kids. Mean people are the dominant species now a days and they like psychos not poor people with hearts like vi.
Maybe its capitalist darwinism. You have to be a shark and only sharks survive, so only mean people have kids. Mean people are the dominant species now a days and they like psychos not poor people with hearts like vi.
In the first season there is a moment where Vi decides not to follow Ekko and Caitlyn, they were on the bridge, she decides not to abandon Powder but when she turns to leave, Vi is visibly sad for the choice she has just made. A clear sign that she would have wanted to follow her feelings, her instincts. Instead she is incapable of loving herself and doing what makes her happy. I'm sure Vander is to blame for this side of Vi's character. He only taught her to fight for her family and gave her a huge responsibility. And unfortunately Vi was never able to be an example because she herself needed and still needs guidance. Hopefully she has learned her lesson and is starting to enjoy her new life and the novelty of thinking healthily about herself. In a few years we will definitely see CaitVi again in new adventures
Except, AU Powder's line about how Vi fights her hardest not to lose those she cares about kinda falls flat after Vi tells Caitlyn to shoot her sister in the head
Don't bother. Reason is lost in this people. Doesn't matter how inconsistent and illogical her character is in this season, and that the team admit they didn't know what to do with her (aside petty fan service at the expense of narrative coherence), this people are kidnapped by something called "the halo effect".
@@fatiger114 They lie. Christian Linke only said that the writers also wanted to write for all the other characters when someone was b*tching about screentime and people keep twisting his words around.
In season 1 , she learned through Caitlyn that all Pilltover is not bad , that not every enforcer is bad , she learned to defend herself instead of blocking attacks with her face and at the end of S1 technically is realizing how much her sister is crazy . In season 2 she regressed like everyone .
I have to admit it here and now because if not I will die of anxiety: I did not like how they handled Caitvi in season 2. It felt very rushed and forced because of how they first fought and in the end it was like nothing had happened. I also added that the Gothic Vi arc felt empty and added there just because.
People need to realize this: Vi and Cait never fought, at least not in the way everyone thinks they did. There was never a misunderstanding between them. There was never anything they needed to sort out and work through and come to terms with each other. Vi understood from the beginning and all the way to the end why Caitlyn acted the way she did. We see that consistently in the way she acts towards Cait and that's what people need to pay more attention to. Violyn's communication has _always_ been majorly nonverbal ever since they first met in S1. They say way more with their actions and behavior towards each other than they ever do with words. They pretty much just use spoken language to fill in the gaps, but the bulk of their talks is in their gestures. It never was like nothing had happened. Vi did confront Caitlyn for her actions. Caitlyn did apologize. Vi forgave her. They invited and accepted each other as permanent parts of each other's lives, faults and flaws and all. All of this happened on screen. Their love story wasn't rushed in the least. You just missed half if it by not paying attention.
@Catras_unfairly_gorgeous_smirk well written! I think people say rushed in the sense that the amount of screen time they had in act 3 was roughly around 6 minutes.
@@destaenys Yet in those 6 minutes, they said pretty much everything that needed to be said between them to set them on their path to being in a committed relationship. Now I'm not saying S2 didn't have areas where it felt really rushed. If it'd been up to me, I would've compressed the entirety of ep7 except for the Viktor reveal into a montage and used that freed up time to show much, _much_ more of the relationships between Vi/Loris and Cait/Ambessa. _Especially_ Cait & Ambessa felt so brushed over to me. Would've been nice to really see Ambessa weave her little web around Cait and use her to crack down on Zaun. I mean sure, we see the end result of that relationship and are given little tidbits to piece together how it got to this point, but seeing a little more of it would've given Cait's ultimate betrayal and their final confrontation that much more oomph, know what I'm saying? I also think Ekko was so. freaking. boring. Like I was bored to death every time he was on screen, istg. 🤣🤣But that's an entirely different rant lmao.
@Catras_unfairly_gorgeous_smirk yeah, about the 6 minutes I only complain because I just wanted more of them!! Like in S1 we had a whole 2 minute scene of Caitlyn yearning for her lesbian situationship in the shower, I needed more of that yuri crack lmao. I agree with the Ambessa and Ekko part. Like, we see that Ambessa cared for Caitlyn to some extent, even though Ambessa didn't exactly respect Caitlyn's orders and plays her like a puppet, Cait still fills the role of a daughter to Ambessa but the thing is Caitlyn is so emotionally repressed we don't really know how exactly she felt about this relationship and it will always bugs me how the majority of their dynamics is Caitlyn just letting Ambessa go over doing everything she's against even tho she's bothered by it, I think that if given more time, they should have made a greater parallel between Grayson and Caitlyn maybe. As for Ekko, I love him, episode 7 is beautiful, well-written and has a very good pace, but it steals the time we could have to wrap more of the main characters in the main timeline we actually care about.
The reason people didnt like her S2 arc is not bcs her development, its bcs she felt like background character, she did absolutelly NOTHING except for fan services. In S1 she was like a main character but in S2 she was just a tool to help everyone. People who said "nothing wrong" in the comments either didnt watched the show or they did but with their bootycheeks.
@@fatiger114 Bootycheek is slang for something being terribly done. So, they are saying that the execution of Vi's scenes and people's defense of her portrayal is terrible.
Jinx became a symbol of revolution. Caitlyn became a politician and a dictator. In fact, Vi is a nobody and has nothing... I sincerely do not understand why Cait fell in love with her. Vi in the second season is just a shadow and does not represent anything, just the girl of the head of the Kirraman house, her support. I'm not sure that the trust between them is in order
Caitlyn is always a nepo baby and everybody follows her rules. Honestly, they dont respect caitlyn, they respect the kiramman name. But when Vi first met caitlyn, she said "who the hell are you?". That's the sign of someone truly wanting to know about caitlyn, not the kiramman's heir. The writer amanda overton explained it on her twitter
@fatiger114 no problem, i'll gladly yap non stop about it because oof. where do i even start... vi and caitlyn had no development as a couple, by the end of the series they are stuck in the same place they were in s2 ep3. season 1 caitvi was great, because you actually felt the love and mutual understanding with each other. but in season 2 there's a lot of issues, the most prominent one being the obvious class divide and differences in power dynamics. vi is homeless, she depends on caitlyn to have somewhere to sleep. caitlyn hits vi, they have a s3x scene in the same prison cell vi's sister was self harming in (conscious decision of the writers). vi calls herself "the dirt under caitlyns nails" which is supossed to be cute and romantic but it's literally just GROSS, vi, who never had a moment of agency this whole season treats herself as nothing but DIRT to her girlfriend and it's supossed to be seen as romantic???? that line wouldn't be a problem if the writers got rid of the class divide and power dynamics they had earlier in the season, but they didn't... i wonder why.
@@crisssstopherI really think they should've given Vi a rebel cops arc where she stays an enforcer but actively works against Cait to protect Zaun against her martial law orders. They could've put her in a Grayson-like role and gone full circle with her starting complaining about Vander making deals with the enforcers only to become the kind of enforcer Vander would've made deals with.
@@crisssstopher Only that the class divide and power dynamics don't play any role whatsoever and never have for them. Vi falls for Caitlyn, takes her side and defends her despite her being a member of one of the richest and most powerful families in Piltover, aka the town her home is in conflict with. Caitlyn falls for Vi, takes her side and defends her despite her being an abrasive jailbird from Zaun, aka the town her home is in conflict with. They never cared about names and legacies. Vi never saw a problem in how she grew up, Cait not only never cared about her family name and status but actively tried to push away from it. Sure, there were learned prejudices they had to overcome, but they were each other's lesson in that regard because the class rift never mattered to them as individuals to each other in the first place. We see literally all of that in S1. At the end of S2, Vi doesn't depend on Caitlyn for a home. She has her little Pitfighter era flat in Zaun that she could always go back to if she wanted to. Not like she'd care. She's slept in way worse conditions. The place has a roof, a bed and a punching bag, which is pretty much all Vi needs. Hell, even if that place is no longer available for whatever reason, you really think Vi, of all people, wouldn't find a place to crash in Zaun if she really wanted to? She's staying with Caitlyn because she _wants_ to stay with Caitlyn. Get over it. The dirt thing being gross is another forced lens argument. You're looking at it through your own perspective without seeing Vi in her words. Newsflash: Vi is an incredibly gross person. She eats with her hands, the bandages she wears around said hands have been soaked in half of Zaun's refuse and she still doesn't change them, her hands are literally gross and dirty every time we see a close up of them on screen, she smears weird oily goop in her hair and onto her face to look emo enough for her emo era, she throws up into her sink (which we see on screen features pretty much everything _but_ a toothbrush) and she has no problem letting her flat drown in trash (including half eaten meals she leaves to rot on the plate) and still sleeping in it. Being dirty and gross isn't a bad thing to Vi. It's just part of her life. She's a Zaunite. She's used to disgusting, rough conditions. Her calling herself the dirt under Cait's nails is literally just her saying "I'm with you til the bitter end" in one of the plainest, most straight forward ways she could come up with. I will somewhat agree with you on the prison s*x scene. Not because this was the cell where Jinx decided she's gonna go die, because Vi literally has no awareness of that whatsoever, but just because... it's an underground prison cell man. Idc about the symbolism of it. My girls deserved a proper bed dammit. 😭😭 Anyway. End of story? Half of the people who watched Arcane are illiterate af. You're one of them. Congrats.
Answer: Nothing, she had a great character Arc, where she learned self love after fighting for others her whole life and not getting to choose for herself.
No, there was plenty wrong with her character arc. It was rushed and as a result, it was missing a lot of key character beats
@@chrishaven1489no
You know what's wrong w her character is that she loved too deeply and cares too much for everyone she loves and for that reason its so frustrating for me😭 I don't know if I can handle it like how Vi handle it well. She's so strong, loving and caring and that's tough😢
I think Vi biggest growth come from learning to
1. Stop doing everything herself
2. entrust in others and accepting help.
It is not impressive but it is extremely hard to accomplish.
The only thing that angers me about Vi is how severely people misunderstand and misinterpret her because they watch the show with their eyes closed. Most infuriating is the part where some people literally have their nose right on the point but they refuse to get it. Prime example: Vi lacks actual agency in S2.
Yes! She does! Thank you, Sherlock! You found the clues. Now you just need to piece them together. Ya'll wanna know why Vi lacks agency in S2? And that's not even me reading into it and coming up with a theory. It's literally right there on screen. We literally get a scene where Vi point blank tells us why her character arc is way more passive than in S1.
Her lacking agency is _part_ of her arc. She's tired of her own BS. That's part of her development in S2. She wraps it all up for us in S2E8: "I choose wrong every time and because of it I've lost everyone." That's not new. That's _not_ a new realization to her that she comes to in that moment. This sentence is the core of her arc progression throughout the entirety of S2 from the very beginning. Vi is more passive towards Cait in S2A1 and goes along with her choices because when the roles were reversed, when Vi was the one taking charge in S1 and pushing Caitlyn towards a decision, the immediate result of that decision was Cait's mother and half the council getting killed.
Vi is more passive towards Jinx in S2A2 because every. single. time. Vi actively made a choice concerning Jinx in S1 and S2A1, the Jinx situation _consistently_ worsened.
Vi _has_ to have her gauntlet removed by Jinx in the finale because she would've died otherwise. She didn't let go, because that is consistently through both seasons her greatest strength as well as her most crippling flaw. Vi doesn't let go. She doesn't know how to. She knows how to sabotage herself into thinking she has when there's something at risk that she wants to protect, but in the end her emotions always win out. It's this trait of hers that saves her relationship with Cait as well as Jinx's life, and it is that exact same trait that almost gets her killed multiple times. Jinx _had_ to be the one to let go first and drag her sister into just accepting the consequences because Jinx was the only one capable of making that decision in the first place. She was the one who decided to break the cycle, not Vi. Vi wasn't there yet.
Like it's literally all right there. It is all. right. there. On screen. Staring people directly in the face. All they need to do is remember how to play connect the dots. And yet it's what, maybe a fifth of the viewers who actually get it? Same applies to Cait's story, Viktor's story, Jayce's story etc. People have so many gripes with some of the big arcs in Arcane and the moment they go into what they believe is "missing" or was "rushed" I just end up sitting there, asking myself if they actually watched the show. Maybe the showrunners should've made the episodes split screens with Subway Surfers gameplay in the lower one so folks manage to actually focus for more than 5 seconds istg.
I honestly don't get why people are hating on her, I was invested in her character arc all throughout season two and she is for sure my favorite character. I was surprised when I went online after the season to see some people not liking her character
I actually don’t like her either before I started these videos and shorts analyzing her character 🥲 …oops
I didn’t know this video would turn out to be like this honestly. It’s uncanny 😂
I love Vi's character. But her character arc was done reeeeal dirty this season. Another symptom of how rushed this season was, because I have no doubt if this show had three seasons and more room for the writers to breathe, I guarantee there wouldn't be as many people hating on Vi as there are now
I love VI. She’s one of my favorite characters in the series. She truly has a good heart and a noble soul because, despite all the trauma she has endured, she has managed to preserve the goodness within her. That alone is enough to love and appreciate this character. What makes her story feel incomplete to me are precisely the points you mentioned. Of course, she doesn’t need to be a hero. I see the biggest obstacle to VI’s character development as her inability to make decisions for herself. Instead, those decisions are often made for her by either Jinx or Cait. VI keeps oscillating between the two.
For example, when Cait offered VI to join the Enforcers, I would have preferred if VI chose to search for her sister on her own. While wearing that badge, it was so obvious that VI was unhappy, yet she couldn’t make the decision to leave. In their breakup, I wanted to see VI let go of both Cait and Jinx and choose to exist independently as her own person, forging her own path. Instead, we see a character with suicidal tendencies.
When VI doesn’t have someone she considers "family" in her life, she seems to enter a self-destructive cycle, only to be saved by Jinx. After being abandoned by Jinx in the prison cell, VI mentally reverts to her pitfighter era, but this time it’s Cait who saves her emotionally. To me, this isn’t character growth. It feels like she’s trapped in the same cycle and can’t break free without external intervention.
On top of all this, the fact that she doesn’t directly contribute to the main storyline adds to the perception that the character is, unfortunately, seen as useless by many people. This is truly sad. These details aren’t something most people notice on their first watch. We should have seen a more explicit development. In the final scene, we see that VI cannot let go of Vander. Jinx is forced to make that decision on her behalf, even at the cost of sacrificing her own life. I don’t blame VI for this, but I don’t think we can talk about character development or VI breaking her own cycle here.
In the future, if Cait were to leave her, VI might again spiral into suicidal tendencies, or if she finds out that Jinx is alive, she might resume her quest for her sister. This is because her character development doesn’t feel complete. I love VI so much that I want her to be able to exist independently and, ultimately, sometimes just choose herself. A happy ending is great for her, but for the reasons I’ve outlined, it still feels incomplete.
You spoke for all the vi fans, honestly. However, one thing I might want to add is that even the things she did (the decisions that were made for her by either Jinx or Cait. Like when to listen to whom) were all driven by her guilt.
@@sksikha7732 You're right. As I said, I'm not judging the choices she made. In fact, this is precisely the area where I wanted to see some development. For example, what would Vi do if she found out Jinx was alive? Personally, I see the possibility of her succumbing to guilt again and going after Jinx. The missing development lies exactly here. Unlike Vi, Cait wouldn't go after Jinx even if she knew 100% that Jinx was alive, because Cait's character arc feels complete at this point.
Maybe Vi has truly overcome her guilt, especially since Caitlyn asked her, "Are you still on this fight?" and Vi's response appears to indicate that she has overcome her sense of guilt. But I wish we could see this in her actions. As I said, the show moves so fast that these things are hard to grasp in one go. To understand what's going on, you have to be genuinely interested in the characters and put effort into thinking and analyzing it. It shouldn't have been this complicated.
While Caitlyn's development is shown entirely through actions, leaving no need for words, Vi's development feels the opposite-compressed entirely into dialogue.
Also, should we trust everything Vi says? I have my doubts about that as well-like how she became an Enforcer after saying she couldn't wear the badge. That's why I would have preferred actions over words.
You’re so right about her, I hate it. Why does she need to be treated like a rolling dice every single second of her scenes in Arcane. I just wanted to see her genuinely happy for once and ever after.😭
Honestly I'm on a hunt to find out what people are thinking of Vi. In my opinion one of the most misunderstood character in the series yet most interesting to look at. We always want a hero, a savior, a leader, an example like sunshine well she is neither of those, never meant to be because she is not a selfish person, to be all of these at some point you need to put yourself first. She is kinda person very hard to have in your life, she is loving and all about giving, never thought about what she should deserve. You know everyone have gone through traumas in the series, they changed, mostly bad way, become a evil version of themselves. A lot of people said Vi should not hit Powder in the first place, I personally don't think that would be the normal reaction though. She was 16/17 when dumped into stillwater, she never had a talk about those tortures she been through, she never talk about how Vander's death effected her, she buried all those feelings. All those years she had no one but fading faces from past. She became her own parent, while good or bad everyone in the series had a parental figure, Jinx had silco, Cait had her parents, Jayce had his mom. She gave everyone a warm n tight hug, wiped their tears but there was no one to do the same for her. People like her not meant be liked probably, she not gonna tell you she is a good person herself. and Arcane did a great job maintaining that narrative, but audience somewhere failed to see that. And the moment she made a choice for herself, instead running for jinx she finally stopped, now she is the bad sister, a selfish person.
Caitlyn fall in love with Vi not because she is hot, not because she trusted her, because she saw the pain in her eyes disguised with tease n humor, she saw a fighter with bigger heart. If you put in this way in AU and in the reality there love bring the city together in a messy way but they did break the cycle.
Another video of yours, you mentioned that Vi called Cait 'cupcake' to avoid true feelings, and I agree. Just for a sec think this way Vi neither belong to Piltover nor to Zaun right now. I personally don't think she is in a healthy mental stage, Cait knew that very well, that expression says it all. But at least Cait can protect her being the only person left in her life. I wish one day I'll find someone like Vi, I will be the luckiest person alive to be loved that much.
Vi sings the same tune he made Powder sing in season one. She had made you sing that melody to protect her and give her strength while they searched for their parents. Then both are picked up by Vander who will raise and protect them. in the present moment Vi sings that same melody to signify that now she is the one who is afraid and needs protection. the only one who can protect her is Cait who can give her greater security and love than Vander. and it has already been confirmed that we will see CaitVi again in some spin-off. and who knows how they will have made Vi evolve
Of course Cait fell for her hotness!!
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Kidding. Hope you find your Vi ❤️
I think people dont like the characters that's kind hearted. They think these characters are boring. They want to see someone crazy and criminals like jinx, silco. You can see the amount of people liking Silco more than Vander. If Vi became the bad guys and teamed up with Zaun and did something cruel, people would pay attention to her more. But she followed how Vander told her (you've got a good heart), these words careved into her brain, she couldnt change to be a bad person.
This is sweet and heartbreaking 💔
No. Vi's character arc was a little inconsistent and rushed. Vi spends the whole first season trying to rescue her sister.....then she flips on her, after Jinx shot down Silco to save her life. There are character beats missing in her arc
@chrishaven1489 her "flipping on Jinx" is not inconsistent tho. Everything Vi did in s1 was made with the intention to be with her sister, she did everything she could but Jinx rejected her and caused harm to people who shouldn't be involved in their drama. Jinx was the cause of a LOT of Vi's traumas and troubles and even if Vi had some moments where she wanted to hurt Jinx for it, she still loved her and would never be able to "finish" her. Vi's essentially a character that have too much love to give and that's it, all she wants is to be able to love in peace. And all that she needed (and she didn't think she deserved it) was someone to give her some love back.
I really don't know what people expected her arc to be like, she's not a revolutionary character, everything she does is always for the people she loves, not for herself or strangers. If there's 1 thing I have to complain about her arc is that she doesn't really had the time to reflect on some of her acts (becoming an enforcer i.e) and yet that it is still quickly brushed over her saying that she chooses wrong everytime.
Maybe its capitalist darwinism. You have to be a shark and only sharks survive, so only mean people have kids. Mean people are the dominant species now a days and they like psychos not poor people with hearts like vi.
Maybe its capitalist darwinism. You have to be a shark and only sharks survive, so only mean people have kids. Mean people are the dominant species now a days and they like psychos not poor people with hearts like vi.
In the first season there is a moment where Vi decides not to follow Ekko and Caitlyn, they were on the bridge, she decides not to abandon Powder but when she turns to leave, Vi is visibly sad for the choice she has just made. A clear sign that she would have wanted to follow her feelings, her instincts. Instead she is incapable of loving herself and doing what makes her happy. I'm sure Vander is to blame for this side of Vi's character. He only taught her to fight for her family and gave her a huge responsibility. And unfortunately Vi was never able to be an example because she herself needed and still needs guidance. Hopefully she has learned her lesson and is starting to enjoy her new life and the novelty of thinking healthily about herself. In a few years we will definitely see CaitVi again in new adventures
I hope so!
absolutely nothing, next question.
Except, AU Powder's line about how Vi fights her hardest not to lose those she cares about kinda falls flat after Vi tells Caitlyn to shoot her sister in the head
I mean it’s kinda hard to defend her when the main writer mad a twitter post admitting they didn’t know what to do with her
Wow! Can you share the link ? 🔗
@@fatiger114 links don't work on UA-cam, haven't for a long time. Need to look for it on google or twitter itself.
Don't bother. Reason is lost in this people.
Doesn't matter how inconsistent and illogical her character is in this season, and that the team admit they didn't know what to do with her (aside petty fan service at the expense of narrative coherence), this people are kidnapped by something called "the halo effect".
@@fatiger114 They lie. Christian Linke only said that the writers also wanted to write for all the other characters when someone was b*tching about screentime and people keep twisting his words around.
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In season 1 , she learned through Caitlyn that all Pilltover is not bad , that not every enforcer is bad , she learned to defend herself instead of blocking attacks with her face and at the end of S1 technically is realizing how much her sister is crazy . In season 2 she regressed like everyone .
What do you mean by regress?
I have to admit it here and now because if not I will die of anxiety: I did not like how they handled Caitvi in season 2. It felt very rushed and forced because of how they first fought and in the end it was like nothing had happened.
I also added that the Gothic Vi arc felt empty and added there just because.
they should have expanded upon emo Vi, giving that whole arc just a 2 minute montage was not enough
People need to realize this: Vi and Cait never fought, at least not in the way everyone thinks they did. There was never a misunderstanding between them. There was never anything they needed to sort out and work through and come to terms with each other. Vi understood from the beginning and all the way to the end why Caitlyn acted the way she did. We see that consistently in the way she acts towards Cait and that's what people need to pay more attention to. Violyn's communication has _always_ been majorly nonverbal ever since they first met in S1. They say way more with their actions and behavior towards each other than they ever do with words. They pretty much just use spoken language to fill in the gaps, but the bulk of their talks is in their gestures.
It never was like nothing had happened. Vi did confront Caitlyn for her actions. Caitlyn did apologize. Vi forgave her. They invited and accepted each other as permanent parts of each other's lives, faults and flaws and all. All of this happened on screen. Their love story wasn't rushed in the least. You just missed half if it by not paying attention.
@Catras_unfairly_gorgeous_smirk well written! I think people say rushed in the sense that the amount of screen time they had in act 3 was roughly around 6 minutes.
@@destaenys Yet in those 6 minutes, they said pretty much everything that needed to be said between them to set them on their path to being in a committed relationship.
Now I'm not saying S2 didn't have areas where it felt really rushed. If it'd been up to me, I would've compressed the entirety of ep7 except for the Viktor reveal into a montage and used that freed up time to show much, _much_ more of the relationships between Vi/Loris and Cait/Ambessa. _Especially_ Cait & Ambessa felt so brushed over to me. Would've been nice to really see Ambessa weave her little web around Cait and use her to crack down on Zaun. I mean sure, we see the end result of that relationship and are given little tidbits to piece together how it got to this point, but seeing a little more of it would've given Cait's ultimate betrayal and their final confrontation that much more oomph, know what I'm saying? I also think Ekko was so. freaking. boring. Like I was bored to death every time he was on screen, istg. 🤣🤣But that's an entirely different rant lmao.
@Catras_unfairly_gorgeous_smirk yeah, about the 6 minutes I only complain because I just wanted more of them!! Like in S1 we had a whole 2 minute scene of Caitlyn yearning for her lesbian situationship in the shower, I needed more of that yuri crack lmao.
I agree with the Ambessa and Ekko part. Like, we see that Ambessa cared for Caitlyn to some extent, even though Ambessa didn't exactly respect Caitlyn's orders and plays her like a puppet, Cait still fills the role of a daughter to Ambessa but the thing is Caitlyn is so emotionally repressed we don't really know how exactly she felt about this relationship and it will always bugs me how the majority of their dynamics is Caitlyn just letting Ambessa go over doing everything she's against even tho she's bothered by it, I think that if given more time, they should have made a greater parallel between Grayson and Caitlyn maybe.
As for Ekko, I love him, episode 7 is beautiful, well-written and has a very good pace, but it steals the time we could have to wrap more of the main characters in the main timeline we actually care about.
The reason people didnt like her S2 arc is not bcs her development, its bcs she felt like background character, she did absolutelly NOTHING except for fan services. In S1 she was like a main character but in S2 she was just a tool to help everyone. People who said "nothing wrong" in the comments either didnt watched the show or they did but with their bootycheeks.
@@darklord4531 what is bootycheek?
@@fatiger114 Bootycheek is slang for something being terribly done. So, they are saying that the execution of Vi's scenes and people's defense of her portrayal is terrible.
Without her jinx and Isha would be dead to vander btw
@@BatAmericawhat if i thinkt that your take is terrible?
@@rjofusetsudzin8011 I don't have a take, I was citing Urban Dictionary.
Jinx became a symbol of revolution. Caitlyn became a politician and a dictator. In fact, Vi is a nobody and has nothing... I sincerely do not understand why Cait fell in love with her. Vi in the second season is just a shadow and does not represent anything, just the girl of the head of the Kirraman house, her support. I'm not sure that the trust between them is in order
Caitlyn is always a nepo baby and everybody follows her rules. Honestly, they dont respect caitlyn, they respect the kiramman name. But when Vi first met caitlyn, she said "who the hell are you?". That's the sign of someone truly wanting to know about caitlyn, not the kiramman's heir. The writer amanda overton explained it on her twitter
i love vi but her arc was handled so poorly, and don't even get me started on caitvi, they totally ruined their relationship.
Ruin how? Would love to hear more 👂
@fatiger114 no problem, i'll gladly yap non stop about it because oof. where do i even start... vi and caitlyn had no development as a couple, by the end of the series they are stuck in the same place they were in s2 ep3. season 1 caitvi was great, because you actually felt the love and mutual understanding with each other. but in season 2 there's a lot of issues, the most prominent one being the obvious class divide and differences in power dynamics. vi is homeless, she depends on caitlyn to have somewhere to sleep. caitlyn hits vi, they have a s3x scene in the same prison cell vi's sister was self harming in (conscious decision of the writers). vi calls herself "the dirt under caitlyns nails" which is supossed to be cute and romantic but it's literally just GROSS, vi, who never had a moment of agency this whole season treats herself as nothing but DIRT to her girlfriend and it's supossed to be seen as romantic???? that line wouldn't be a problem if the writers got rid of the class divide and power dynamics they had earlier in the season, but they didn't... i wonder why.
@@crisssstopherI really think they should've given Vi a rebel cops arc where she stays an enforcer but actively works against Cait to protect Zaun against her martial law orders. They could've put her in a Grayson-like role and gone full circle with her starting complaining about Vander making deals with the enforcers only to become the kind of enforcer Vander would've made deals with.
@@crisssstopher Only that the class divide and power dynamics don't play any role whatsoever and never have for them. Vi falls for Caitlyn, takes her side and defends her despite her being a member of one of the richest and most powerful families in Piltover, aka the town her home is in conflict with. Caitlyn falls for Vi, takes her side and defends her despite her being an abrasive jailbird from Zaun, aka the town her home is in conflict with. They never cared about names and legacies. Vi never saw a problem in how she grew up, Cait not only never cared about her family name and status but actively tried to push away from it. Sure, there were learned prejudices they had to overcome, but they were each other's lesson in that regard because the class rift never mattered to them as individuals to each other in the first place. We see literally all of that in S1.
At the end of S2, Vi doesn't depend on Caitlyn for a home. She has her little Pitfighter era flat in Zaun that she could always go back to if she wanted to. Not like she'd care. She's slept in way worse conditions. The place has a roof, a bed and a punching bag, which is pretty much all Vi needs. Hell, even if that place is no longer available for whatever reason, you really think Vi, of all people, wouldn't find a place to crash in Zaun if she really wanted to? She's staying with Caitlyn because she _wants_ to stay with Caitlyn. Get over it.
The dirt thing being gross is another forced lens argument. You're looking at it through your own perspective without seeing Vi in her words. Newsflash: Vi is an incredibly gross person. She eats with her hands, the bandages she wears around said hands have been soaked in half of Zaun's refuse and she still doesn't change them, her hands are literally gross and dirty every time we see a close up of them on screen, she smears weird oily goop in her hair and onto her face to look emo enough for her emo era, she throws up into her sink (which we see on screen features pretty much everything _but_ a toothbrush) and she has no problem letting her flat drown in trash (including half eaten meals she leaves to rot on the plate) and still sleeping in it. Being dirty and gross isn't a bad thing to Vi. It's just part of her life. She's a Zaunite. She's used to disgusting, rough conditions. Her calling herself the dirt under Cait's nails is literally just her saying "I'm with you til the bitter end" in one of the plainest, most straight forward ways she could come up with.
I will somewhat agree with you on the prison s*x scene. Not because this was the cell where Jinx decided she's gonna go die, because Vi literally has no awareness of that whatsoever, but just because... it's an underground prison cell man. Idc about the symbolism of it. My girls deserved a proper bed dammit. 😭😭
Anyway. End of story? Half of the people who watched Arcane are illiterate af. You're one of them. Congrats.
Can't believe that she's in pain,
She needs to disassociate,
She just wants to be a good passenger.