You are an excellent artist, modeler, videographer, and most of all teacher. I especially have learned much about working with styrene. I am so glad I stumbled on your channel!
I think you are displaying and teaching us the skill sets required to recreate a scene in miniature which often requires compression and compromise without losing the essence and or feeling of the area you are modelling. You don't need every car space of a parking lot to convey the feel of real thing right. Keep up the great job, learning so much watching this series.
I’m glad you did what you did regarding your decision to add the brewery the way you did. In my ignorance or laziness, I would probably have just resorted to a photo backdrop. Your decisions make it so much more realistic, even selectively compressed.
Thank you Ronald. It looks like the Brewery "Hops" Extractor will fit as well. It will be a tight squeeze, but it will work visually. Thanks for commenting. Cheers ~ Boomer.
I have said to other before, being a layout builder is like those old Choose Your Own Adventure books, it’s a Choose Your Compromise. Those choices define our layouts I think. Also, I’ve got to build out one of the slugs as you show in the first min or so, as NS gained from the Southern. Thanks for sharing, a very needed conversation in our hobby about how to approach compression.
It's a funny thing when we try to stringently adhere to the prototype when we try to define a signature scene. The square footage gets us every time. I can't imagine how boring a real world scene would be if we tried to accommodate every 1 to 1 scale foot of space. Modelling one mile would kill us. On the other hand, Woodland Scenics would love us . . . lol. Cheers.
"Strain a gnat and swallow a camel" that is so very true. True in just about everything we do. I like your dilemma. This is when your creativity and problem solving will be at their best. Being lazy about it just won't work. As always, great information. Cheers - Larry.
@@boomerdiorama I did not see that. That is very interesting. You were talking about the bottle neck. Does this lead to some new possibilities for River Road? Rail expansion along side active rail activities would be something interesting to model.
I hope I haven't put a dislike up, as my phone was freezing up as I tried to put up a like! But I have to say I really appreciate your work and comments, it is helping me immensely. Thank you
No worries. I don't care about the dislikes anyway. UA-cam doesn't post them to the public anymore as well. Glad to hear you are feeling inspired! Cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it! Sometimes I take for granted that everyone sees what I see in my mind. This does help to explain things more thoroughly. ;-) Cheers.
I'm glad to see that you're using a camera as part of your compression process. A camera sees a scene differently than the human eye and is one of the best prep tools, in my opinion. Another thing I noticed is something I learned while studying photography years ago - the light. If a hobbyist can create the kind of light that's working in your long shot of the actual brewery, much of the layout placement work looks far better when complete. I'm really enjoying your tutorials.👍
Thank you, and Yes to your comment about lighting. You bring up a subject that every video producer can never have enough of . . . lighting. The amount of light one needs (for lengthy depth of field) is unbelievable. I am planning on another studio light in the new year though when I start getting into more color. Cheers.
Compression very well explained! I never thought of it in quite that way before. Especially the conundrum towards the end of the build when one realizes the space that was thought to be there is now gone. No matter how much I plan ahead, in the end, I always come up short. Maybe that's what makes model railroading so fascinating is the proper use of compression needed to fool the eye.
That is a good analysis in terms of what we all face in this hobby. It's just fantastic how we can solve these problems of space and compression in order to create our own little worlds as we see fit. That is why the hobby is so unbelievably rich, even at the worst of times . . . lol. Cheers.
I think just enough to capture the essence is the right amount - to give the idea, the hint of, the impression of more with LESS - You're doing good in that respect sir. Do keep it up old chap 👍😁
@@boomerdioramaso one year later I'm revisiting this video - It's interesting as your compression actually deletes a huge amount of the car park and loading line, you compress until the mainline becomes a loading line for the warehouse.. We have to do this a lot in the UK, space and all that - currently building a modern image module for my stacked layout - compression all around, especially with train length, but I've managed to still be able to run somewhat realistic length trains..cheers!
You must have a really tough Landlady.... I love the Bits' n' Pieces of what if's and over explanations of this, that and everything. The future of out of service vice re-initialization of the siding to an active right of way..... Enough said, see at the end of track!
It's all about compromise and compression. The space allowed in the room to model. The length of the warehouses. The placement of the slip. The siding or lack of siding. Active vs. closed warehouses. It's your railroad, you write the story, the railroad's bio, it's story. Glad to be along for the ride. I have decided to redesign and compress my own track plan so it can be started along a different wall and I can begin sooner. I can always expand in the future. But a small manageable chunk will give me a start. ( Love the hockey net outside the 3rd warehouse. That's a legal requirement up there, right? ) - Paul @ The PLZ&W
Lol . . . yes, the hockey. Thanks for sharing about your layout. Sounds like a great idea to start modelling. I'm not worried about the other sections on my layout right now. I'll get to them because I want to model now. ;-) Cheers.
You know you were saying that some viewers were making negative comments about the way you made your diorama. Not to sound rude but I feel that you have to make the best of the space that you have. There are certain things that each of us want on our dioramas or layouts. Therefore, some sacrifices have to be made. So in the end we will have a reasonable facsimile of the area or areas that we had in mind for the space that is available. In other words it's up to the individual modeler what they want and how they build it. It's yours, do it your way.
Respectfully, I am O.K. with negative comments, even though I never actually said they were negative. Clearly I am no shrinking violet as my mother told me . . . lol. Nevertheless, I retain the courtesy to respond and explain how I solve them out of respect to the individual or collective interest. ;-) I agree with your sentiments. Thanks for sharing. Cheers.
When you start thinking about drilling a hole ion the wall (did this as a kid) to extend the line you know you are obsessed . . . lol. Did you see this link: ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html Cheers.
I feel your pain with limited space! Going through the same with my Port of Long Beach modules. And talk about compression! I want more track but no space. 🤔 ☕🍻👍
Thanks for sharing that. There is hope though. I was thinking maybe I can modify the industry (hoops extractor to accept an acid car) and then extend a loading bay out to the track . . . who knows.
Interesting that there's a basketball net and a hockey net @ 11:09 in front of the featureless flat. Makes you wonder what those employees are doing during their breaktime. Looks like it would be a fun and leisurely place to work!!
Building an immersive shelf layout, or any layout, is full of challenges and compromises. This is another reason why I love the hobby. I love solving the endless problems that arise. The rewards are worth it! Cheers ~ boomer.
@@boomerdiorama Hey young man wanted to ask you some BC/Vancouver movie production questions when you get a chance. Vancouver is like Portland and New Mexico for film production.
I like the concept you are doing and compromises works well with me and in fact unlike the prototype, we have our limits, the costs, the space and actually to be able reach things, our pysical ability to reach things is something that keeps the modelling comfortable is also importat to keep the modelling enjoyable. After all none of us are getting any younger and the idea of creeping in tight spces might be fun a while but in the end makrs thhings just complicated. As mentioned before, I really like the scen you are modelling, with the background buildings big enough to dwarf the trains running on it and you execution is just excellent, period! Still compromises is something we have to do as on meter of H0 track, which is many cases rather big strech of track is merely 87 meters, and in real life it ain't much. Your modelling is first class and as far I am concerend the making the scene is excellent, very beliecable and so far following your videos and those yet to come is something I have enjoyed and will be enjoying to watch. In short, we all have to d the most of the given space we have, ability to finish things to or expectations and able to be keep the layout running and looking great after it becomes finished, though a layout never will be 100 per cent done. Cheers!!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Every layout I ever built, I thought maybe this, maybe that. It's the dilemma we all have to live with in hindsight when we move forward with a project. I wish, I wish, but oh well ;-) Cheers. ~ Boomer.
Fantastic work , just moved house Myself know the nightmare of space when you are a modeller . Great to hear the locos in reality they sound is so familiar the 071 class still in service here is a GM Canada build as well as the 201 class also still in service . Kind regards Stephen .
I feel you Boomer, I have a 15x17 basement my wife has given me Lordship over for a layout but with a furnace and duct work on one side it kinda shrinks the room some!! I've been collecting engines and freight cars for at least 30 years for that grand Conrail HO layout and when I measure and draw up track plans for those long auto rack or coal and grain trains I know there's no way that all will fit!! I am now seriously contemplating going to N-Scale so I could still have 1 decent yard and running space to go along with some decent switching operations!! It would seriously suck to go that route though, considering it took me years to finally build a good Conrail roster of locomotives and Cabooses!!!
Interesting thoughts. If you are looking to see a full length train then this will always be a dilemma regardless of the size because we make the train grow longer with more space like a serpent eating it's own tail. I would choose a location that is indicative of Conrail operations and then stage it where the trains pass through, arrive or depart the scene - like a yard for example with arrival departure tracks, coupled to a minor industry, etc. The latter reasons are why I chose the philosophy and concept of "last mile" operations. This way I can fill in the voids with my imagination and still own part of the railroad. ;-) Cheers.
Really enjoying your channel and content Boomer... One correction though. HO scale track is nearly dead on 56.5" @16.5mm gauge. You're thinking of O scale track, which is 5' gauge. In O scale you have to model "Proto:48" to get properly gauged track for standard gauge.
Nice review of the thought process needed to make things work on our little railroad layout worlds. I do have one idea 'suggestion'. OH OH. lol, I know, it's just an idea. I like how you have all the different 'flat' buildings all angled for some different depth. It might be interesting to see how a photo printed of that 'alleyway' space between the two buildings at 11:46 on the video, would look. Might also provide some more depth in that scene, thou you might have to cut back a bit of the buildings to allow for it. Just a thought, take it or leave it. Really enjoying your build. - Rick
Good point. I did think of that. I may also move the "alley way" between the second and third warehouse back between the Brewery and smaller second building. It makes more sense there due to the shape and where I want access to trash bins, etc. to balance the visual interest. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Cheers!
I don’t think a layout exists without selective compression. It’s how you covey your message and goals in the space given (or negotiated with the war dept.!).
Very cool! All those extra features duct work, blowers, the barge dock details are awesome! You are 1 of the best modelers I've ever followed! My layout is in a 7ft by 12ft room! I had no room for a helix, so I use the barge/ ferry to raise to a 2nd lvl! How large is the area your layout is in?
Would love if you covered the subject of 'seasons' and the 'choice of season' to best represent and enhance the narrative the diorama is trying to convey. The Allagash layout as an example is set during winter time and works really well in conveying the cold, harsh working winters of that era. In my experience, from a modelers perspective, different techniques and skills are needed to best capture a summer scene from autumn or winter scene as an example.
Yes, the space for the grain silo looks much to tight. A brewery does need a grain silo. Grain silo on the roof? Did not find a picture of - so no. Suggestion: Put the building on the right away, place the grain silo there instead add parking or "back side of building stuff" there as a mock-up and see (over some days) if that composition works. For operation to the back in service building may add a temporary piece of track there (could be used as cassette fiddle yard, too) and lock the door while operating. 🤔 Otherwise the need to compress is most often one of the enemys of the modeller, exception some models for example the one of the Geislinger Steige in Z-scale, that then need a big building to be shown.
Thanks for sharing! Just a note. SRY has re-layed some track in the area as well. I happens all the time. See here: ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html
I looked on Google earth at the area you're modeling and I couldn't believe the industry on both sides of the river and on islands in the river. I was dumbfounded at how much is there up and down the river.
I think you are doing just fine. So, you have a 3D backdrop with a Brewery. Looks better than a bunch of trees casting shadows on the blue wall. If I may ask, since the brewery is out of service, why not a concrete pad coming across the switch lead with the extractor straddling it? It would provide for some visual interest and photography opportunity on that end of the layout. You are not switching the extractor and the other track is not modeled. Create a mock up, place it straddling the tracks and then look down through it.
Thank you so much for showing the walk along the shoreline all the way towards the barge head. Exemplary use of actual space to skillfully compress what can be while retaining the beauty of that essence from the real scenes. Just curious if there will be a safety device to prevent a train from falling off the end of the short main? Thank you Boomer :)
Thank you. Yes . . . the safety device.! Thank you for reminding me. It makes me nervous, especially with DCC! Actually, it might be a good reason for a de-rail feature there with a pin for extra insurance. ;-) Cheers.
@@boomerdiorama I have a friend who lays all of his own track code 83. We had actually made an operating derailer. It was prototypical in the scene he is modeling so he built it. When you see little details like this, you don't recognize the compression.
@@bobainsworth5057 That is a great point you mention Bob. Have you seen this short clip of the Annacis Island project? : ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html
That building is an out-of-service brewery in 1:1 scale. Perhaps you could consider it something else for the 1:72 scale then rather than an extractor, find a different type of structure to append to the flat that would still offer a proper detail for that aperture?
I was thinking about modifying the Industry for rail service as well. Anything is possible in the "free-lance" sense I suppose. We will see. I think I will build in the option with the Hops Extractor and see how it goes.
I stand corrected. Actually, in standard "O" Guage they are 5 ft. apart. In standard "HO" Guage the rails are much closer to 4' 8-1/2" like the prototype. When we use the term scale, we are often not correct with our terms when we define the category. 1/87 scale is really "HO" scale overall when we consider guage, and measurement concerning buildings etc.
Imagine modelling different scales on the one layout with feature areas scaled up like a pop out box in a book or a draughtsmen plan. And having big boring linking sections scaled down as a true-to-scale space compression. Basically, the layout would zoom in and zoom out depending on the interest factor. Just a silly idea but would be cool if it could be pulled off. 🤔
People have tried that to varied success. Anything is possible I suppose. I may be able to modify the Brewery industry, in the free-lance sense to work for the layout as well. Not all hope is lost. ;-)
I can’t imagine not letting you use a whole room for your art. I also don’t care about perfect scale sizing. Sometimes perfect scale doesn’t even look right.
Boomer great job again , every modeler that has done this for some time knows they have to cut down on this size to fit it in . It does not matter what it is a building ,track plan , landscaping,etc.. It’s what you want on your layout
Even the real SRY railroad has space problems! See this short clip: ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html The main source of revenue for SRY is auto racks. All the rest is gravy.
How prototypical. Just like a real railroad, you negotiated to obtain real estate for expansion. You're a regular tycoon! And your wife is in line for sainthood. LOL!!!
You are an excellent artist, modeler, videographer, and most of all teacher. I especially have learned much about working with styrene. I am so glad I stumbled on your channel!
Wow, thank you! You should find the Brewery Hops tutorial interesting then. I am into the build right now. Cheers ~ Boomer.
I think you are displaying and teaching us the skill sets required to recreate a scene in miniature which often requires compression and compromise without losing the essence and or feeling of the area you are modelling. You don't need every car space of a parking lot to convey the feel of real thing right. Keep up the great job, learning so much watching this series.
Thank you! I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Cheers.
I’m glad you did what you did regarding your decision to add the brewery the way you did. In my ignorance or laziness, I would probably have just resorted to a photo backdrop. Your decisions make it so much more realistic, even selectively compressed.
Thank you Ronald. It looks like the Brewery "Hops" Extractor will fit as well. It will be a tight squeeze, but it will work visually. Thanks for commenting. Cheers ~ Boomer.
I have said to other before, being a layout builder is like those old Choose Your Own Adventure books, it’s a Choose Your Compromise. Those choices define our layouts I think.
Also, I’ve got to build out one of the slugs as you show in the first min or so, as NS gained from the Southern. Thanks for sharing, a very needed conversation in our hobby about how to approach compression.
It's a funny thing when we try to stringently adhere to the prototype when we try to define a signature scene. The square footage gets us every time. I can't imagine how boring a real world scene would be if we tried to accommodate every 1 to 1 scale foot of space. Modelling one mile would kill us. On the other hand, Woodland Scenics would love us . . . lol. Cheers.
I love the coffee cup with a broken handle holding the CA glue.
Lol . . . You noticed that eh Christopher ;-) I like it too. Cheers ~ Boomer.
@@boomerdiorama now that's really funny.😂😂
Most goals are achievable. You got this. 👍
Thank you. I does capture the feel of the area in spite of the limited space for sure. cheers.
Thanks again Boomer, for your great hobby craftsmanship, teaching skills!!!
This has been very inspiring for me...
Sure thing! Cheers.
Nice piece of videography there at the beginning there when you switch from prototype switching to model. The whole scene looks just super.
Doug
Thank you very much! Cheers!
"Strain a gnat and swallow a camel" that is so very true. True in just about everything we do. I like your dilemma. This is when your creativity and problem solving will be at their best. Being lazy about it just won't work. As always, great information. Cheers - Larry.
Thanks for sharing Larry! Cheers.
Have you seen this clip Larry? ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html
@@boomerdiorama I did not see that. That is very interesting. You were talking about the bottle neck. Does this lead to some new possibilities for River Road? Rail expansion along side active rail activities would be something interesting to model.
I hope I haven't put a dislike up, as my phone was freezing up as I tried to put up a like!
But I have to say I really appreciate your work and comments, it is helping me immensely.
Thank you
No worries. I don't care about the dislikes anyway. UA-cam doesn't post them to the public anymore as well. Glad to hear you are feeling inspired! Cheers.
Loved the editing on this video, outside inside comparisons were self explanatory..good stuff.
Glad you enjoyed it! Sometimes I take for granted that everyone sees what I see in my mind. This does help to explain things more thoroughly. ;-) Cheers.
Thanks again Boomer, for your great hobby craftsmanship, teaching skills!!!
This has been very inspiring for me.
Very welcome
I'm glad to see that you're using a camera as part of your compression process. A camera sees a scene differently than the human eye and is one of the best prep tools, in my opinion.
Another thing I noticed is something I learned while studying photography years ago - the light. If a hobbyist can create the kind of light that's working in your long shot of the actual brewery, much of the layout placement work looks far better when complete.
I'm really enjoying your tutorials.👍
Thank you, and Yes to your comment about lighting. You bring up a subject that every video producer can never have enough of . . . lighting. The amount of light one needs (for lengthy depth of field) is unbelievable. I am planning on another studio light in the new year though when I start getting into more color. Cheers.
I am facing some of the same questions and we both made videos on it. Love it: "adequate space is relative to a reasonable compromise".
The bigger the space the bigger the train. It never ends. ;-)
Very nice layout! Thx for sharing!
Cheers
Gottfried
Thank you very much! Cheers!
Compression very well explained! I never thought of it in quite that way before. Especially the conundrum towards the end of the build when one realizes the space that was thought to be there is now gone.
No matter how much I plan ahead, in the end, I always come up short.
Maybe that's what makes model railroading so fascinating is the proper use of compression needed to fool the eye.
That is a good analysis in terms of what we all face in this hobby. It's just fantastic how we can solve these problems of space and compression in order to create our own little worlds as we see fit. That is why the hobby is so unbelievably rich, even at the worst of times . . . lol. Cheers.
Thanks again Boomer, for your great hobby craftsmanship, teaching skills!
This has been very inspiring, and relaxing for me.
Glad to hear it! I hope it stokes the fires of creativity! Cheers.
No matter what your build looks perfect!
Thank you Dave. Such kind words my dear brother. Cheers.
I think just enough to capture the essence is the right amount - to give the idea, the hint of, the impression of more with LESS - You're doing good in that respect sir. Do keep it up old chap 👍😁
Thanks for sharing! Yes indeed dear sir. Keeping it up is not a problem. ;-) Cheers.
@@boomerdioramaso one year later I'm revisiting this video - It's interesting as your compression actually deletes a huge amount of the car park and loading line, you compress until the mainline becomes a loading line for the warehouse..
We have to do this a lot in the UK, space and all that - currently building a modern image module for my stacked layout - compression all around, especially with train length, but I've managed to still be able to run somewhat realistic length trains..cheers!
You must have a really tough Landlady.... I love the Bits' n' Pieces of what if's and over explanations of this, that and everything. The future of out of service vice re-initialization of the siding to an active right of way..... Enough said, see at the end of track!
You mean the Queen! . . . I agreed I wouldn't condemn her to the tower if she gave me the dungeon ;-) Cheers.
It's all about compromise and compression. The space allowed in the room to model. The length of the warehouses. The placement of the slip. The siding or lack of siding. Active vs. closed warehouses. It's your railroad, you write the story, the railroad's bio, it's story. Glad to be along for the ride.
I have decided to redesign and compress my own track plan so it can be started along a different wall and I can begin sooner. I can always expand in the future. But a small manageable chunk will give me a start. ( Love the hockey net outside the 3rd warehouse. That's a legal requirement up there, right? ) - Paul @ The PLZ&W
Lol . . . yes, the hockey. Thanks for sharing about your layout. Sounds like a great idea to start modelling. I'm not worried about the other sections on my layout right now. I'll get to them because I want to model now. ;-) Cheers.
You know you were saying that some viewers were making negative comments about the way you made your diorama. Not to sound rude but I feel that you have to make the best of the space that you have. There are certain things that each of us want on our dioramas or layouts. Therefore, some sacrifices have to be made. So in the end we will have a reasonable facsimile of the area or areas that we had in mind for the space that is available. In other words it's up to the individual modeler what they want and how they build it. It's yours, do it your way.
Respectfully, I am O.K. with negative comments, even though I never actually said they were negative. Clearly I am no shrinking violet as my mother told me . . . lol. Nevertheless, I retain the courtesy to respond and explain how I solve them out of respect to the individual or collective interest. ;-) I agree with your sentiments. Thanks for sharing. Cheers.
We are the net beneficiaries of your vision, compression, skill and victory for space in the bed room to build the layout!
When you start thinking about drilling a hole ion the wall (did this as a kid) to extend the line you know you are obsessed . . . lol. Did you see this link: ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html
Cheers.
@@boomerdiorama lol will watch it now
@@boomerdiorama So cool that the railway is investing in its infrastructure. love that slug set btw
I feel your pain with limited space! Going through the same with my Port of Long Beach modules. And talk about compression! I want more track but no space. 🤔 ☕🍻👍
Thanks for sharing that. There is hope though. I was thinking maybe I can modify the industry (hoops extractor to accept an acid car) and then extend a loading bay out to the track . . . who knows.
You have to do the basketball setup and the hockey goal net. The latter is the number one pastime of Canada after all. 👍😎
Those are notable details for sure! Cheers.
Interesting that there's a basketball net and a hockey net @ 11:09 in front of the featureless flat. Makes you wonder what those employees are doing during their breaktime. Looks like it would be a fun and leisurely place to work!!
Those are cool features to model as well. Cheers!
In my opinion, you nailed it!
Building an immersive shelf layout, or any layout, is full of challenges and compromises. This is another reason why I love the hobby. I love solving the endless problems that arise. The rewards are worth it! Cheers ~ boomer.
There you go - Great progress
Thank you. She's coming along! Cheers Chuck! ~ Boomer.
@@boomerdiorama Hey young man wanted to ask you some BC/Vancouver movie production questions when you get a chance. Vancouver is like Portland and New Mexico for film production.
@@laspiedrasrailroad Sure. Been awhile since I worked in the industry though.
I like the concept you are doing and compromises works well with me and in fact unlike the prototype, we have our limits, the costs, the space and actually to be able reach things, our pysical ability to reach things is something that keeps the modelling comfortable is also importat to keep the modelling enjoyable. After all none of us are getting any younger and the idea of creeping in tight spces might be fun a while but in the end makrs thhings just complicated. As mentioned before, I really like the scen you are modelling, with the background buildings big enough to dwarf the trains running on it and you execution is just excellent, period! Still compromises is something we have to do as on meter of H0 track, which is many cases rather big strech of track is merely 87 meters, and in real life it ain't much. Your modelling is first class and as far I am concerend the making the scene is excellent, very beliecable and so far following your videos and those yet to come is something I have enjoyed and will be enjoying to watch. In short, we all have to d the most of the given space we have, ability to finish things to or expectations and able to be keep the layout running and looking great after it becomes finished, though a layout never will be 100 per cent done. Cheers!!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Every layout I ever built, I thought maybe this, maybe that. It's the dilemma we all have to live with in hindsight when we move forward with a project. I wish, I wish, but oh well ;-) Cheers. ~ Boomer.
Outstanding video and explanation of thought process, you are a true artist and modeler!
Thank you! Cheers.
Fantastic work , just moved house Myself know the nightmare of space when you are a modeller . Great to hear the locos in reality they sound is so familiar the 071 class still in service here is a GM Canada build as well as the 201 class also still in service . Kind regards Stephen .
Many thanks! Thank you for the info on the locos as well! Cheers.
Looking forward to the compromise. No problem, just a compressed solution!
Thank you! Thanks for commenting. Cheers.
Parabéns está bacana seu layout!
Thank you from Canada! Cheers ~ Boomer.
I feel you Boomer, I have a 15x17
basement my wife has given me
Lordship over for a layout but with
a furnace and duct work on one side
it kinda shrinks the room some!! I've
been collecting engines and freight
cars for at least 30 years for that
grand Conrail HO layout and when I
measure and draw up track plans
for those long auto rack or coal and
grain trains I know there's no way that all will fit!! I am now seriously
contemplating going to N-Scale so
I could still have 1 decent yard and
running space to go along with some decent switching operations!!
It would seriously suck to go that
route though, considering it took me
years to finally build a good Conrail
roster of locomotives and Cabooses!!!
Interesting thoughts. If you are looking to see a full length train then this will always be a dilemma regardless of the size because we make the train grow longer with more space like a serpent eating it's own tail. I would choose a location that is indicative of Conrail operations and then stage it where the trains pass through, arrive or depart the scene - like a yard for example with arrival departure tracks, coupled to a minor industry, etc. The latter reasons are why I chose the philosophy and concept of "last mile" operations. This way I can fill in the voids with my imagination and still own part of the railroad. ;-) Cheers.
Excellent work. Do you have an google maps view of the area you are modeling? In your video of the real location which way would the train come in?
ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html Check Google Earth "Annacis Island" B.C. Canada. It's on the south side west of the big "Alex Fraser" bridge.
Was that a slug I just saw in consist? Gotta give that some future modeling consideration for sure!
Yes it was. It's fairly new as well, I believe. I shot this video a few weeks ago. Cheers.
Awesome 💯💯💯💯💯
Thanks 🤗;-) Cheers ~ Boomer.
Really enjoying your channel and content Boomer... One correction though. HO scale track is nearly dead on 56.5" @16.5mm gauge. You're thinking of O scale track, which is 5' gauge. In O scale you have to model "Proto:48" to get properly gauged track for standard gauge.
Right! There goes my "O" Scale 1/48 indoctrinated brain again. ;-) Cheers.
Have you seen this short clip: ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html
Nice review of the thought process needed to make things work on our little railroad layout worlds. I do have one idea 'suggestion'. OH OH. lol, I know, it's just an idea. I like how you have all the different 'flat' buildings all angled for some different depth. It might be interesting to see how a photo printed of that 'alleyway' space between the two buildings at 11:46 on the video, would look. Might also provide some more depth in that scene, thou you might have to cut back a bit of the buildings to allow for it. Just a thought, take it or leave it. Really enjoying your build. - Rick
Good point. I did think of that. I may also move the "alley way" between the second and third warehouse back between the Brewery and smaller second building. It makes more sense there due to the shape and where I want access to trash bins, etc. to balance the visual interest. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Cheers!
I don’t think a layout exists without selective compression. It’s how you covey your message and goals in the space given (or negotiated with the war dept.!).
There is still hope for the Brewery if I revise it as a free-lance operation. ;-)
Very cool!
All those extra features duct work, blowers, the barge dock details are awesome!
You are 1 of the best modelers I've ever followed!
My layout is in a 7ft by 12ft room!
I had no room for a helix, so I use the barge/ ferry to raise to a 2nd lvl!
How large is the area your layout is in?
11' x 12' room.
Nice! Thanks
Would love if you covered the subject of 'seasons' and the 'choice of season' to best represent and enhance the narrative the diorama is trying to convey. The Allagash layout as an example is set during winter time and works really well in conveying the cold, harsh working winters of that era. In my experience, from a modelers perspective, different techniques and skills are needed to best capture a summer scene from autumn or winter scene as an example.
Great suggestion! Thank you for sharing. I know the layout you speak of. Superb modeling all around. Cheers!
Yes, the space for the grain silo looks much to tight.
A brewery does need a grain silo.
Grain silo on the roof? Did not find a picture of - so no.
Suggestion: Put the building on the right away, place the grain silo there instead add parking or "back side of building stuff" there as a mock-up and see (over some days) if that composition works.
For operation to the back in service building may add a temporary piece of track there (could be used as cassette fiddle yard, too) and lock the door while operating.
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Otherwise the need to compress is most often one of the enemys of the modeller, exception some models for example the one of the Geislinger Steige in Z-scale, that then need a big building to be shown.
Thanks for sharing! Just a note. SRY has re-layed some track in the area as well. I happens all the time. See here: ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html
little correction according to "The Brewery Extractor Build | River Road - Part 1" the silo should be for yeast (a by-product), not for grain
I looked on Google earth at the area you're modeling and I couldn't believe the industry on both sides of the river and on islands in the river. I was dumbfounded at how much is there up and down the river.
Have you seen this? ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html
@@boomerdiorama Wow expanding the railroad because they have so much business from this industrial area on the island. That's neat. 👍
From another HO model RR site I'm on I sent a guy your way to see how you sculpted & painted the pink foam.
O.K. . . cool! Thank you Karl. By the way, did you see this link: ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html
I think you are doing just fine. So, you have a 3D backdrop with a Brewery. Looks better than a bunch of trees casting shadows on the blue wall. If I may ask, since the brewery is out of service, why not a concrete pad coming across the switch lead with the extractor straddling it? It would provide for some visual interest and photography opportunity on that end of the layout. You are not switching the extractor and the other track is not modeled. Create a mock up, place it straddling the tracks and then look down through it.
That's a great idea and a possibility so thanks for sharing that. ;-) Cheers!
Thank you so much for showing the walk along the shoreline all the way towards the barge head. Exemplary use of actual space to skillfully compress what can be while retaining the beauty of that essence from the real scenes. Just curious if there will be a safety device to prevent a train from falling off the end of the short main? Thank you Boomer :)
Thank you. Yes . . . the safety device.! Thank you for reminding me. It makes me nervous, especially with DCC! Actually, it might be a good reason for a de-rail feature there with a pin for extra insurance. ;-) Cheers.
@@boomerdiorama I have a friend who lays all of his own track code 83. We had actually made an operating derailer. It was prototypical in the scene he is modeling so he built it. When you see little details like this, you don't recognize the compression.
@@bobainsworth5057 That is a great point you mention Bob. Have you seen this short clip of the Annacis Island project? : ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html
Yes! Thank you for reminding me. It's along way to the floor :-( Cheers.
That building is an out-of-service brewery in 1:1 scale. Perhaps you could consider it something else for the 1:72 scale then rather than an extractor, find a different type of structure to append to the flat that would still offer a proper detail for that aperture?
I was thinking about modifying the Industry for rail service as well. Anything is possible in the "free-lance" sense I suppose. We will see. I think I will build in the option with the Hops Extractor and see how it goes.
I had no idea the rails were 5 ft apart!
I stand corrected. Actually, in standard "O" Guage they are 5 ft. apart. In standard "HO" Guage the rails are much closer to 4' 8-1/2" like the prototype. When we use the term scale, we are often not correct with our terms when we define the category. 1/87 scale is really "HO" scale overall when we consider guage, and measurement concerning buildings etc.
Imagine modelling different scales on the one layout with feature areas scaled up like a pop out box in a book or a draughtsmen plan. And having big boring linking sections scaled down as a true-to-scale space compression. Basically, the layout would zoom in and zoom out depending on the interest factor. Just a silly idea but would be cool if it could be pulled off. 🤔
People have tried that to varied success. Anything is possible I suppose. I may be able to modify the Brewery industry, in the free-lance sense to work for the layout as well. Not all hope is lost. ;-)
What all do I need in terms of to me a paint so that I can mimic some of the great stuff you've done
Tamaya paint coler
I use all the Tamiya colors. Greens, browns, white, black. I thin it with Isopropyl Alcohol. Cheers.
I can’t imagine not letting you use a whole room for your art.
I also don’t care about perfect scale sizing. Sometimes perfect scale doesn’t even look right.
I whole heartily agree with everything you just said . . . finally someone understands my philosophy. Bless you. 😁
Do you have a video from start to where you are now?
ua-cam.com/video/5tVBtTbr1mM/v-deo.html
Boomer great job again , every modeler that has done this for some time knows they have to cut down on this size to fit it in . It does not matter what it is a building ,track plan , landscaping,etc.. It’s what you want on your layout
Yes sir indeed. You can't escape space limitations, especially when we want to model a scene that fits so easily in the theater of our minds. Cheers.
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Cheers!
Even the real SRY railroad has space problems! See this short clip: ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html
The main source of revenue for SRY is auto racks. All the rest is gravy.
BTW, we shouldn't call it selective compression. It should be called "forced compression with options". hehehehe
Yes. Some also call it compressed selection as well. The SIG site does. Cheers.
How prototypical. Just like a real railroad, you negotiated to obtain real estate for expansion. You're a regular tycoon!
And your wife is in line for sainthood. LOL!!!
I actually did get it in writing and had to use it after six months . . . lol. Cheers.
@@boomerdiorama You're a man after my own heart.
Boomer please tell me you have a removable barge slash transfer table including barge to complete the barge scene.
Well, some of us viewers already suggested him to build a ferry / fiddle yard that rolls in.
It's in the plan and somewhere in the build que down the road ;-) Cheers.
@@boomerdiorama Look forward to that.
@@railscanner Have you seen this clip Bob? ua-cam.com/video/tvrOgKufNT8/v-deo.html
@@boomerdiorama upgrades! very nice video. Miss going there. Always fun to railfan SRY on the lower mainland and Annacis Island.